Is This AI Song Ripping Off a Nirvana Riff?!

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[@DiCelloPiano]

Might be a little off-topic , but I remember worrying when 90's hip-hop was "ripping off" a bunch of piano riffs or beats/ideas from other music - then after a while I heard a bunch of songs, I liked (never thought it would happen) and I still listen to today ... I have a feeling A.I. will be a similar thing - at first we would eye it with suspicion / dis-trust until it makes something we love? :) I could be wrong too .... maybe it will ruin alot of stuff ... but thanks for sharing Sync :)

[@BellsCuriosityShop]

Doesn't rip off Teenspirit as much as Come As You are ripped off Life Goes On or Eighties.

[@BrothersOfAlienRock]

True story My friend and old bandmate manages the Cobain estate, I'll ask him about it.

[@danecolfax2458]

Smells like a lawsuit.

[@BenCaesar]

That was immediate resemblance 😅 I think if people or brands who don’t actually know about copyright use it as a service , then get hit with some lawsuits its going to be some interesting headlines.

[@pq1151]

I think maybe any suit would have to be a class action by like Universal, Sony, Warner for a continued pattern of copyright violations. My understanding is nobody sues over a song unless it's a hit; big money settlement. So I think maybe a class action over many AI music library songs violating copyright would be the more likely.

[@brianrigsby5757]

I have to admit, this one reminded me more of Blur Song 2 than Nirvana, but the point still stands

[@royaltyfreemusiccollective8662]

I was going to say the same thing

[@dougdevenski2362]

This will be a quick fix once the big labels make their own AI models in house. They will most likely "clear" every sample, every song in their catalog within the AI model and make deals with TV production companies. Anything else outside their own AI model won't be used... I will assume that music libraries are currently tying to be "bought out" by the bigger companies right now. In 5 years you could have a bunch of "interns" creating AI music.

[@jmi_music]

I still don’t get it Eg. There are 1.7 million music tracks in pond 5 So pond5 sell their data to AI music company, who then train their AI to….. make millions more? And when so many tracks make no money or very little and are for sale as little as $5 What exactly is the point? What is the opportunity? The opportunity is in profitable endeavours using AI to solve real problems and make the world better. Hopefully it doesn’t take too long for the AI music projects to get ditched.

[@markhardycreative]

Its sounds a bit like a mix between Nirvana Stay away, and Iggy Pop Passenger

[@thesestaticlights]

2:15 😂

[@marklarm]

mmm My instincts are telling me that this would NOT be a copyright issue. Yes, it "sounds like" a Nirvana track, but it's not the same. It only 'feels' like a Nirvana song. There are dozens of pop songs out there that 'feel' like another artist's track, but that's not enough to make a claim for copyright infringement IMO. The chords are in a different order and there's no melody (that i heard from this example), and you can't copyright a groove. So you're left with "it's kinda sounds like" or "it reminds of". That being said, what's to say that as the AI engines get better/smarter they won't end up creating something that IS an obvious copyright issue. That however, remains to be heard.

[@MasseMusicMachine]

Uhm... Kurt may of already subconsciously used riff from Boston's More Than A Feeling when writing Teen Spirit, so this goes a lot further back😉

[@BrothersOfAlienRock]

I'm absolutely sure there will be specific AI dedicated to track the specific AI that are cranking out these copy jams. Wow Dog chase tail. Keep creating fam, but pick up the pace a little faster please as we have bots on our tails😅

[@ericauclair7594]

I hope you're right. I really hope there'll be enough lawsuits to spook everybody off the "full song" AI generated model and keep AI as a tool for composers.

[@tarasmavdryk4827]

If AI can generate any piece of music according to the given parameters, then it means that music theory should be studied in its entirety to create more weighty and large works than simple 4 chords and a standard drum square. For example, the first thing that came to my mind was to generate samples for creating experimental music in the style of Igloogost and igorrr. In this case, the stocks will be dead, as all the simple music with ukulele, clappers and glockenspiel will be written.

[@chrisparadise1979]

no, Radio Friendly Unit Shifter by Nirvan inutero album,

[@petecarrollmusic]

I wonder if someone or body will create AI to monitor the generative music AI, to flag up potential copyright issues on these platforms ?! I wonder if that's how they'll get around it. But then, they'd have to machine learn that AI with every single piece of music recorded or sheet music and also take into account previous court cases ie (Ed Sheeran recently with Marvin Gaye song). Legalities aside, we are going to see a shit load of over saturation for sure, on music platforms, libraries etc Competition is going to be even tougher now...

[@darksydeflow]

I'm still skeptical about how this type of music is produced. Is the AI using loops? I just don't see an AI programming those palm-mutes with that level of musicality.

[@boostakid]

umm yaaa... lets just say if i created this exact track, nobody i work with would ever accept it. Its a straight up infrngement on copyright.. Interesting stuff man.

[@dafingaz]

Uh oh

[@dannewstead4412]

“Nearvana”

[@RemmyMusic1]

'prompting' music from a description is not making music. if you want to end the debate on AI and prompt art, just look at this. if you ask it to write a song in the style of _____, in c#m, clap on the 2 beat, it will do that for you. you can be as specific right down to the BPM and time- but at the end of the day you didn't cycle through sounds, you didn't EQ anything, you didn't volume match, add effects etc. this is going to be for the ultra lazy and cheap companies not looking to pay for a real person.

[@angelailma950]

Oh no! Smells like AI…

[@Joelsteudlermusic]

That riff is really, really basic. I could probably find a bunch of Bad Religion, Pennywise, etc (and yeah Nirvana) tracks that have similar riffs. It's a punk staple. Also chord progressions do not fall under copyright protection. Infringement cases are a roll of the dice, but there are a couple questions I find more interesting: 1. Is that AI track itself under copyright? The US Copyright Office has already ruled art created by Midjourney cannot be copyrighted. Google "AI comic book loses copyright" to learn about that case. Is music created solely by AI even copyrightable? If not, is it open source? This is all undecided or in very grey legal areas. 2. Let's assume that some AI company or combination of companies create one hundred thousand guitar rock tracks. Are ALL the melodies/riffs in them now off-limits to everyone else? Are they copyrighted? That case above sets a precedent that they would not be. How can any human composer even be expected to review and understand what melodies are even available to them if they are? A company could set an AI to brute-force all possible guitar riffs and claim copyright on all of them if AI music can claim copyright. This stuff is going to thoroughly break the current copyright system.

[@lud4280]

So many songs in the Sync world 'borrow' from the popular records. This is NO different. If the placement of chords, rhythm and scale aren't the same, you're in the clear.

[@SyncMyMusic]

True, but I wouldn't always say you're in the "clear" by following certain rules - CR law is VERY subjective and cases can be won and lost based on opinions rather than "facts" of musical differences.

[@heroicflows9691]

Chord progressions aren’t copyrighted

[@VittorioIannucci]

We should let Nirvana and Kurt Cobain rights owners about this and see if they start the sue.

[@Malone4200]

Na man, that AI just Depressed as shit, watch out when it turns 27

[@AlexaDigitalMedia]

Common chord progression and common production. I don’t think Cobain’s estate would win against that. Look at Ed Sheeran’s case against Marvin Gaye’s estate. Sheeran won even though I and many others though he’d lose.

[@IliasPanteliasGR]

Except the fact that this will get a copyright strike directly! The quality is really bad. I hope people in the industry will see examples like this and not spend money for AI music. It will be a very lucrative job to search AI generative music to send copyright strikes! Or program AI to find them even faster :)

[@chasehadley5230]

That's not even debatable. Clear rip off

[@LesPaul2006]

Goodness, that's awful.

[@JureJerebic]

sounds like crap imo