Is this Legal?

[@thenamesaldo4398]

Thats not the hunter thats the gatherer

[@RushWheeler]

That's not Deepnest, that's Shallow Hallow

[@Reinoiro]

That ain't a hollow knight it's a pure vessel💀 Wait-

[@LunaMinuna]

@@RushWheelerlmfao 😭

[@ThatDwag69]

​@@ReinoiroCrowsworn might be

[@Reinoiro]

Yeah it's not fair to shut down absolutely everything for remotely resembling hollow knight, but now there are at least 2 blatant examples of why it's not completely unfounded like a lot of people like to pretend it is

[@asd-dv7dq]

Game ripoff's need to be taken seriously, its like nobody cares when the amount of creative thought put into the project is less than an AI

[@ExpertCup1930]

Okay, I can 100% say that this is a hollow knight clone. whenever I see something being called “a clone” I MOST of the time try to give it a chance, and sometimes leave criticism on the game trailers and hope the devs see it. But this game is helpless. I haven’t seen a more hollow knight looking clone game ever. Smh.

[@Reinoiro]

Live lotus knight reaction

[@MyToasterIsMoist]

@@ReinoiroHonestly yeah I think Lotus Knight might even be more blatant - aside from the gameplay/visuals, it's story is like a 1:1 copy of HK's

[@CyberneticHype]

Seems like Diviator doesn’t want to deviate.

[@rustlr]

Congrats on repeating a joke from the video

[@the_convexx]

I always knew the lax way "Fair Use" is applied nowadays would eventually come back to haunt us.

[@coderaven1107]

Its only coming back to the devs, because nobody will buy this I guess. The main Character looks like its out of Ghost Song, I kinda like the design on its own.

[@dhdurhueur-qe5pn]

This has nothing to do with fair use.

[@middleofthebarrel]

​@@dhdurhueur-qe5pn it does tho, this clone is blatantly recycling assets from Hollow Knight and making something mildly transformative out of it. Please, if you have to be an "actually 🤓" person, at least do your homework right.

[@rustlr]

@@middleofthebarrel this has literally no Hollow Knight assets in it

[@dr.chickenfingers5696]

“Mom, can we have hollow knight?” “No, honey, we have hollow knight at home.” Hollow knight at home:

[@zynxos]

List of Hollow Knight-esque games he mentioned: Lotus Knight Crowsworn Nine Sols Twilight Monk Constance Other Games I'd Recommend: Rusted Moss Dead Cells Bloody Hell (Its free)

[@KuroMinoltaRR]

I was just going to ask this, so that I can totally avoid these games while waiting for SilkSong.

[@RamsesRosario-r6l]

thanks my guy

[@zynxos]

@@KuroMinoltaRR didnt ask

[@trashyCorn.12]

​@@KuroMinoltaRR:/

[@Big_Boss4738]

Dead cells is not a clone

[@HenrayPatter]

You know it’s bad when even pogobro calls it a clone

[@john190m]

hey there how's it going

[@MarkothTheSleepless]

Wawawa

[@HenrayPatter]

How do you guys find me 👀

[@drowned2204]

Who'a pogobro

[@kukukachu]

wow, you attacking Palworld right at the beginning with NO evidence is gross....

[@rising1o1]

what's the purple witch/brush thingy mabobber game called? it looks incredible and i'd love to play it when it comes out

[@fracat3451]

It’s called Constance. It’s not out yet but there’s a demo available.

[@nataly_171]

Very bold of you to clearly establish at the beginning that it's unfair to judge a game before it's released, and then you continue to do exactly that.

[@tuankhangcaonguyen5545]

Yes, bc everything has limits. Even he has, judging is in human nature. I still agree with his points, game looks even worse than that new cuphead inspired game

[@rivalifritdarc2481]

Blatantly ripping someone's work off is just dirty. They don't even try to hide it.

[@giuf175]

You must be the developer cause everything in this is clearly just copy pasted from hollow knight. Not even in an inspired by, literally ripped off. Every single thing.

[@typoman2880]

This is really pogoing my bro

[@mrtoucan8925]

you could almost say that deviator didn't want to.... deviate.

[@skellybone8]

I’ve looked at some of the videos released by the devs and in the comments they straight up admit that they’re copying hollow knight. I think the way they worded it was “we absolutely love hollow knight and that’s why we made this game”

[@jownadel1526]

Did you really just call palworld a clone at the beginning?

[@myrical4147]

I'm gonna pull this up whenever somebody says Crowsworn is a hollow knight clone.

[@fallasleep9472]

Hollow knight is what to Dark Souls as what Crowsworn is to Bloodborne. Simple.

[@thecultofcaged]

There is no evidence that pal world used AI to geberate their designs Even if they did ai cant make 3D modles it would just be ai consept art so a human still had to sitdown and create a presentable product

[@hatupat3186]

Such a good vid, definitely earned a sub!

[@ymskimei]

It is unfortunate that in the modern world, "inspired" and "uninspired" often become swapped. Inspiration is creativity with emotional origin in another work, not mimicry of that other work.

[@chrisandreas3142]

I mean Silksong is ALSO Hollow Knights plagiat

[@mammamiawhygod2091]

Wanting legal action to be taken for the game is a little too much if you ask me especially when it's not even out and you gloss over just how original the designs look for most of the stuff in the game like even the main character has a pretty original design and I don't think Hollow Knight had rock golems. Using the wording reused enemy asset is really exaggerated as well, it's just the design which is similar, much like Palworld they didn't just completely rip the sprites and put them into the game. Also the platform puzzle you brought up probably was inspired by something else but that doesn't mean that it was stolen and borrowing from other sources is common place either way because nothing is completely original. The last two things I want to say with this big comment is how the footage you show for an example of that one area looking too similar to Silksong doesn't even match up and the only thing I can think you were going for was the platforms have lights underneath them in a similar way. Finally treating this game as if it was a Somari tier bootleg only for money is jumping the gun really fast and really not even giving the devs the ability to make up for their mistakes if we're going to be throwing these claims at them. They really could have just been pushing inspiration a little too much so I feel like we should all be neutral on this and not immediately dogpile.

[@InfernalX-v1g]

Its ironic that when i watched this, i was confused if deviater clips are hollow knight clips and visa versa, this is just bad

[@tooth2887]

I thought the game seemed cool and like it was inspired, not ripping off HK.... well at least until I saw the hunter enemy on the thumbnail. like I'm sorry, THE BODY TYPE IS EXACTLY THE SAME IT'S JUST SLIGHTLY SMALLER. AT LEAST *TRY* TO MAKE IT ORIGINAL... I feel like they added that enemy purely to make people wanna play it because we can't fight the hunter in HK making it seem like it does it better since we got something we never got in HK that we wanted. this next bit is just a guess but, I think this game wasn't really made to *not* get caught ripping HK. that was intentional since people are desperate for SS which would cause them to buy the game to tide them over until SS comes out. and or, it seems like a cash grab and it's using SS being delayed as a easy marketing strat and they will prolly desert this after a certain amount is made. or we're all wrong and they'll fix everything and make it more original and potentially a "rival" for HK. not because it'll be THAT good, but because it's good enough to at the minimum pass. I don't think this could ever compare to HK, but I kinda hope I'm wrong and they fix all the copied shit and make the game their own and create something fun.

[@Jimmy--Little]

Have you even played Pal World???

[@magnadramon0068]

Considering he takes the ai rumors at face value almost certainly not.

[@gasterthemaster6490]

I have. It's not a ripoff, but it feels like they had a totally different game and then just added Pokemon. As a game, it's a 6/10.

[@thehunter8417]

​@@gasterthemaster6490 from what I've seen, it's very close to Ark with gameplay, much closer than Pokemon. The visuals are the only real ties to Pokemon and even then those are just... Uninspired? Weak? They don't really have enough of a distinct artstyle or design to be anything

[@advakart4208]

...so is there an actual asset rip or are you lying in the desc? "inspiration" to the point of almost plagiarism isn't cool and all but ripping assets is totally different, and it has legal repercussions.

[@bluepants99]

The only thing I don't like about this game (or well, trailer, because the game hasn't come out yet) is that they apparently haven't decided on a drawing style for the entire game. It's as if two artists with different styles had worked on two different projects and in the end decided to mix them into one game. It feels like it's not a polished, carefully crafted game. Yes, making games is hard, yes, we shouldn't criticize a game without having played it, but trailers are supposed to motivate me to buy and play the game they feature. And what I see from this trailer, is a game that obviously copied another game and has a lot of room for improvement in a lot of ways because it looks like a mediocre game tbh.

[@coderaven1107]

This

[@jozwtf]

Gameplay is lacking, but its not a copy. If on release they fix the shitty animations and make it more... fun. Shit looks fire

[@baldie420]

i just started hollow knight yippe :)

[@confuzedduk1008]

The quality of it makes me sad. These artists clearly have talent, but they don’t have original ideas. At that point, just change a few things and call it a fangame. Put in some weird lore tie-ins and you’re done. You now have a game you can legally make no money from!

[@Mightyjordy]

Gleam light is possibly the most upset I’ve ever been at buying a game. It’s why I’m not buying any of these hollow knight clones until I get a few minutes to actually play them. Gleamlight’s movement and combat felt like I was playing some crappy shovelware game

[@zydeox1221]

You can't poggo in deviator. Normal horizontal slashes will automatically give you small boosts into the air in air combat. The only thing i see interesting is the parry mechanic from the demo.

[@Kiriyalwasp]

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that matters is whether the game is good or not. Games that just try to copy other games typically aren't, and I'm not saying you should get your hopes up for this one, but i don't think it's fair to reject it solely on the basis of "it looks extremely similar to hollow knight, so it's a ripoff"

[@thepro4805]

right? like, my dream is to get to play another game just like hollow knight and until silksong releases this is exactly what im looking for, saying that the name is cringe or that the devs are evil just bc of the similarities between those games is a little uncalled for in my opinion and if i made Hollow Knight i wouldnt care for it that much bc its obviously not copying neither assets or scripts from the actual game, its like when people redraw the mona lisa with their own twist, obviously the mona lisa will always be the more known version but that doresnt mean you cant get inspired by it

[@turbostarr]

I REALLY think this video was worded horribly wrong. As a game developer, you can’t imply this game is pathetic when this game has so much soul and effort put into it. You have no clue how much goes on behind the scenes, all the code, art, sound effects, design, takes years of work. This game from a game dev perspective is incredibly impressive. Though this game is similar to hollow knight, the game itself is incredibly impressive

[@unosocongorra5779]

I mean, making a game it's very hard, you already know that. But when something shows clear signs of being a simple rip-off... We have to wait until the release, too

[@evennotodd5852]

@@unosocongorra5779 It is not a simple ripoff. Its an advanced rip off!

[@theunderscore001]

"Though this game is similar to hollow knight.." Those words massively downplay just how blatant this product is a ripoff Imagine as a game dev yourself, and you spend years building up a massive amazing game, only for another team to completely steal your art, ideas, and mechanics??

[@giuf175]

This has to be a bot.

[@zynxos]

As a game developer myself, i think that its kinda crazy wasting that much time making a trash game thats a Hollow Knight ripoff.

[@matp2255]

So much hypocrisy and disrespect in this video. You just lost a long time sub

[@Yudaisei0]

Calling it more like Palworld just sinks your entire argument, cause Palworld is not a "clone" of Pokemon.😂 A better comparison would be Garfield Go to Pokemon Go, it would have been also funny.

[@imlegend8108]

Ngl I see the point. But I kinda still think it looks interesting because it looks like Hollow Knight. I dont want to support plagiarism but then I also feel bad for shitting on games like this bcs what if they didnt mean to pull off a cheeky one. And somehow Lotus Knight gives me much more cheap rip off vibes than this one even tho there are less instantly noticable similarities. I mean IT IS a cool looking art style and if its fun to play... :/

[@TheYordleLab]

"Nobody would buy this except for memes or content creation" Thats all they need. Doesnt matter how much of a rip off or copy paste something is as long as they make money. Its the depressing truth these days.

[@michaelhalterman8144]

This is nothing new to the gaming industry. One only need to look at the litany of Dark Soul and God of War clones to see that. When a game does well you can bet there will be devs trying to replicate the formula.

[@SegaDreamcast-w7y]

Man, I kinda like the little guy who’s the main character of deviator. He just looks kinda goofy and I wish he was in a better game

[@sethisansestorofsatan9477]

just looking at strike animation i've gotten better idea then dev team -- make weapon into whiplash with mid range combat and ability to pull enemies or yourself etc, build combat and platforming of of it now you show how you have more creative thinking then this plagiarists developers

[@GaiasRebirth]

"how are people so creatively bankrupped" please ask that the big studios, then the indie developers... as long the game is fun int he end, i do not care anymore... i want mymonies worth... and thats it...

[@dhdurhueur-qe5pn]

Weird shot at comnand-based rpgs. Hollow Knight wishes it had the personality of an Atlus game.

[@jdarokhajiit9153]

If them "borrowing" assets from hollow knight is ok with them then me "borrowing" deviator should also be alright with them, right?

[@archshade7891]

If this game releases before silksong then it's an alright game I will play it first before I judge it and rather not listen to a twitter/X user pokemon fanboy

[@jwash4302]

am i the only one that thinks this game doesn't look too bad.

[@jwash4302]

like i want to play it

[@Ringoroadagain6]

Yes It doesn't look bad because it's stolen from hollow knight lol

[@JulianaPalermo-uq3jt]

Fans can't wait for silk song they just make they're own

[@DragonMage155]

We're so staved for Hollow Knight content, I honestly can't be mad

[@gamerdudeforlife101]

Id totally buy deviator and im buying crowsworn. I love the artstyle

[@tisospencer]

It'll be the greatest Hollow Knight clone if my NPC is cloned too.

[@Finalbreathfunkindirect]

I still WILL like it tho Im tired of stuck in hollownest

[@willing_spirit6830]

Crowsworn Gleamlight Nine Sols Lotus Knight Twilight Monk Constance Bō Wow, came to laugh, and instead come away with a massive list of games like Hollow Knight. Every time I googled I could only find people saying Axiom Verge and Ori and the Blind Forest.

[@fallasleep9472]

Yeah, video is a real blessing.

[@halowillneverbegoodagain1868]

Gleamlight is terrible tho. Id replace it with Voidwrought or Exorcist Fairy

[@michaelhalterman8144]

Why wouldn't anybody buy the game? It looks pretty fun to me

[@ja-nozreaper5865]

1:30 slime rancher music?

[@N4MELEZ]

They where pretty creative with how the main character looks... Why not the rest?😅

[@Shenzi504]

i think if you allow crowsworn you should allow this as well. Crowsworn is uninspired as all hell lmao

[@ElfinHat96]

This game is as terrible as chinese houses' materials they build them from.

[@imnugget8085]

I'm gonna make a cat and hat book name it Hat on a Cat . But the cat is red and the hat has dots not stripes

[@Rammy_Latin]

Where did your Prince of Persia video go? I remebered watching it and was looking for it but now it's gone?

[@King_WhiteWolf]

Was looking for it because he mentions it near the end of this one but couldn't find it anywhere. Glad to see it's not just me, but disappointed I can't watch it.

[@fuc321]

not the pal world slander, its not even like pokemon besides being a pocket monsters genre videogame, its just ark with pocket monsters

[@RoseIsWrong]

Why call it deviator when it just doesn't?

[@evennotodd5852]

I don’t think this game deserves all the critique. It looks great I think it will be another cool metroidvania game.

[@smijo5949]

Yeah, everyone on Reddit and it seems KZbin is loosing their mind over this and are saying "Nobody would ever play this unironically" or whatever which is honestly so sad to hear. Maybe you can critique that the artstyle and enemies are very similar etc. but acting like this is just one of those chinese GTA6 mobile game rip-offs makes us seem like a really toxic fandom especially because it STILL takes massive amount of time and skill to make a Game that actually looks somewhat cool. At this point I feel like people are just shitting on games because they're bored and/or frustrated. I'm definetly gonna play this game just to spite the haters and Show the devs some love. It's funny that people spewed the same bull about every other metroidvania thats getting released only for them to change their mind then. Maybe If was just the reddit bubble but I remember people shitting on crowsworn too for "being a blatant rip-off" and now it's a highly anticipated game even in the HK community. I'll just refrain from participating in this "controversy" from now on because people won't think rationally either way.

[@giuf175]

@@smijo5949 There's a difference between inspired by and blatantly ripping off. And the Crowsworn developers and Team Cherry actually have a link. This is just blatantly a copy paste job. All of these areas and the art are basically hollow knight recolors or shrunken or enlarged assets.

[@celestialhyperdeath]

Let it exist will you its not a rip off of hollow knight

[@henriquezioto8760]

4:24 what is the game???? edit: it is Constance

[@hybridanimus6412]

even the life system is the same lol

[@N4MELEZ]

Maybe its supposed to be some kind of parody 😅

[@wreckydecky]

I'd like to point out how its gameplay is focused on parrying(iirc) where have we seen that gameplay before? Nine Sols, speaking of, release date trailer dropped today :D

[@MalphasMikaelson]

All the games you showed looked really similar to Hollow Knight as well that I don't get why y'all only talking about Deviator. I did not even see all those clones before but all the clips you showed really doesn't do much different than Hollow Knight. I mean holy shit, look at Lotus Knight... Even the name and you're talking about it's on everyones wish list. Deviator seems to catch the most flack because art wise it's way too similar.

[@Cherrystem2433]

The company said that they copied team cherry

[@Wakshak321]

Honestly, I don't mind this game at all. Played the demo recently and it actually plays well and the way I see it, the more quality metroidvanias out there, the better. Sure it does rip off hollow knight, almost like a re-skin, even despite its few "original" mechanics, but its a decent alternative to HK while Silksong is being developed and for me, its the same with souls games, its hard to find a game that gets its inspiration right and when it does its just more fun games to play in that genre.

[@allisonheater8972]

No way you compared it to palworld.

[@-chip-3651]

The asset slop on palworld was super false lol

[@Kinomi144]

Can't believe they copied a copied game, everyone knows team cherry just copied swordigo from the play store

[@iamanunus9141]

My opinion on this game’s art style will be based on its budget: If it had a poor budget, who tf cares? Art is hard. If it was on a high budget, then they had no reason to rip Hollow Knight

[@Reddster69]

I just started making a vid abt this 😭

[@nerfjanetreal]

As a silksong fan im happy that i can play something similar

[@Reinoiro]

I'd recommend hollow knight it's pretty similar to silksong

[@lulu111_the_cool]

Did Hollow Knight fix the problem that people can just get the sorce code?

[@MohammedBinWalid-dl6ne]

Whats the game at 4min 24sec? Does anyone know??

[@scimitaronic]

Constance

[@dhdurhueur-qe5pn]

Pretty hilarious they even called it Deviator. Almost based.

[@fallasleep9472]

0:38 All of these games have my attention, especially Bo: Path of the teal lotus. They all look really great.

[@Ratstail91]

The art is fantastic... which is weird. It took skill to make this...

[@drowned2204]

One thing, it's more so copying Silksong, right?

[@kikoun3500]

Can I please ask about the game in 4:25?

[@billaras54]

Constance

[@Kaizan27]

Plagiarising gameplay is one thing, but to rip off art is just a step too far

[@_GamerG]

Nah bro id probably play that

[@TheRealSuperKirby]

I feel bad for the annimators that are being held against their will to animate this slop. Also the main character has a cool design, rip whoever was executed after making it. Also, im still saying lotus knight is worse, i mean, it has a gachalife avatar in the game, you can't go lower than that.

[@LucasFreitas-x2f]

Bro took “we have Hollow Knight at home” to far

[@h1sworld891]

Consider talking about CotL agin

[@BenjaminNixon]

One issue I take with a lot people criticizing this game is there seems to be this idea that the devs are trying to fool us (3:02: "like c'mon, I don't think anyone is being fooled at this point"). I think it's honestly silly to imply that the devs are trying to sneakily copy Hollow Knight and hoping nobody catches on. HK is easily THE metroidvania of the last 8 years, since its release. Also kinda ridiculous to say that nobody would buy this except for memes or content creation. I hate this idea that every game has to be brand new. I generally judge a game based on how good it is full stop, not how similar it is to the game that inspired it. If this were a free game, even a HK fan game, nobody would care. I don't think it being a commercial game should change any of that. And I would be very surprised if it were actually found to be infringing on HK's IP. See Capcom U.S.A. Inc. v. Data East Corp. where Capcom tried to stop Fighter's History because of it's similarities to SFII. (I think it's safe to say FH's similarities to SFII were on par with Deviator & HK) The courts are generally pretty permissive about what can be allowed. That Hunter-like boss could be an issue tho.

[@thehunter8417]

NOOOOOOO

[@Kyetheguy-l3t]

Have you heard of rubber hose rampage

[@anonymoushax1276]

What are your thoughts on the demo?

[@shadowreaperbg7759]

Idk man I would play that

[@pigpro98]

i know but the game looks kinda fun though i might buy it.

[@kakoscy2787]

whats the game at 3:40 and 4:25 i have been looking for it like forever!

[@Pootisbird69]

Nine souls

[@billaras54]

and Constance

[@The_Apex_Of_Predators]

Has diviator released yet? Or have you played it?

[@GoodSmile3]

The game is not out yet.

[@ELV13S]

u just dissed palworld? the did wat nintendont tho, release a pretty good pokemon game

[@mangohub3252]

The fact you just called it a pokemon game kinda proves his point tho

[@ELV13S]

a good pokemon game@@mangohub3252

[@Hungryymelon]

@@mangohub3252he said they did what Nintendo don’t and it’s call monster catching game he doesn’t know that your just a hater L

[@mangohub3252]

@@Hungryymelon bro wanna type that again?

[@nightwatch3889]

Too bad it used up the name "Deviator" cause that goes kinda hard and now nobody can ever use it for anything again Btw I really have no idea but isn't Palworld not that bad from what I heard "Literally just Deepnest" lmaoooo Btw looks like your upload schedule is going through stuff just wanna say I'll stick by anytime you upload love u Pogobro

[@Hungryymelon]

Yea he just a hater the ai thing he said was a lie

[@jairdinh7563]

I actually think this game is looking really like fucking 9sols actually the gameplay is quite literally the exact same with not any new ideas but yeah visually looking like hollow knight.

[@DataLabsYes]

Note: the comment below was written for another video on Deviator, but I didn't feel like writing a new comment for this video Hello everyone, I'm a Chinese person who decided to do some research after hearing about this game. Before I get started, I just want to say that it wasn't a pleasant experience to see all the racist stuff here. I suppose it is fair to say that there are a lot of Chinese rip-offs out there, but calling all Chinese people thieves reared by the chi-com would be going too far. And please don't reply to me with a mindless social credit comment. Please don't do that if all someone is doing is trying to clear up harmful stereotypes. Anyways: I went to the Chinese equivalent of KZbin, Bilibili. The general consensus of the people there seems to be that Deviator copied a lot from Hollow Knight, but it is still more than just a thoughtless cash-grabbing clone. I found some devlogs by the creators of this game, which I found rather interesting. According to them, a major change this game will have is that its combat system will emphasize parries. Personally, I don't think this is enough to make it a "original" game, but I suppose to some people this is enough. Another thing I noticed from the devlogs is that this game's art and concept is actually not completely mindless. The devs showed some concept art and animations in the devlogs, and I'm honestly impressed by some of the things there. The setting and lore are also not that awful. The devs have also addressed the similarities in art style between this game and Hollow Knight in one of the devlogs. This would be quite an odd action if they were merely money-hungry IP thieves. Anyways, my personal conclusion would be that this game is a passion project, but the devs are not very original and are just bad at development. Still, I must give the devs some credit: developing a game you want to develop, even a bad one, takes time and energy. What I've seen on Bilibili has convinced me that Deviator isn't entirely a cash-grab. The devs clearly has tried to put thought into this, unlike, say, the developers of Lotus Knight or Gleamlight. If you want to do some research for yourself, just search up "偏差者" on Bilibili, which is Chinese for "Deviator". That's all. Thanks for reading :D

[@brandonkruse6412]

This is what happens when Team Cherry neglects the same community that gave them success. This was bound to happen and frankly I’m all for it. I would never turn my nose up at a quality clone of something I love.