Is this Man City team the GREATEST Premier League team of ALL TIME? 🤔 | ESPN FC Extra Time

Nedum Onuoha, Shaka Hislop and Ale Moreno join Kay Murray on ESPN FC Extra Time to answer fans' questions and discuss:
0:00 Kay's positivity
1:41 Nedum's least favorite part of playing
4:54 Will there be an "Agueroooo" moment this weekend?
5:33 Is Man City the greatest EPL team of all time?
6:27 Havertz or Fulkrug to start for Germany?
7:14 Would Ale adopt Jude Bellingham?
8:43 Start, Bench, Drop: Peak Gerrard, De Bruyne, Lampard
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[@chekseng80]

Hate to say they are. Not only achievements, the quality and consistency showed in last 10 yrs are unprecedented.

[@platnumj]

not really unprecedented. Remember United under SAF had similar consistency. After first they won the league with him, he never finished lower than 2nd. Same with Mancity. However I would agree the quality of football was better with Mancity

[@DC-zi6se]

@@platnumj I agree, in terms of consistency SAF's United was very similar indeed.

[@IA67676]

Utd won 8 in 10 whilst city win 6 in 10 so not the most dominant ever but it can be unless someone else gets oil owners

[@platnumj]

@@IA67676 Newcastle has oil owners and their owners are richer than Mancity. So thats kinda a poor take especially since teams like ManU have spent more. Chelsea spent what city spent in 10years, in 1 year. Money without purpose and structure is pointless.

[@IA67676]

@@platnumj yeah city didn't start dominating immediately now did they

[@missymastive]

Centurions - 100 points Fourmidables -4 domestic cups Treble - you already 4 PL in a row ? - yea no one comes close

[@Noirlore]

I say last year’s team was better. Better haaland, better defense

[@thierryhenry674]

Haaland has made ManCity worse. They were untouchable during 17-20. Unlucky in the UCL matches.

[@thierryhenry674]

@@Noirlore Haaland has made ManCity worse. 17-20 ManCity were the best PL teams ever.

[@sleepysun3082]

5 trophies treble is not just treble

[@_AH16_]

@@thierryhenry674one poor season is nothing compared to last season where he set the standards so high. He’s still premiere league top scorer by 5 or 6 goals and suffred with injuries this season.

[@BR-tf7jd]

If City win 4 in a row they are the greatest team ...they also hold all the records. Most points 100, most goals, most wins and many more.

[@A_r78]

They hold 115 charges as well

[@Popo35704]

​@@A_r78 still not proven charges tho

[@kukunase1686]

@@Popo35704 about to be

[@KS-xj7ux]

​@@A_r78 they will get away with it

[@Popo35704]

@@kukunase1686 wouldn't be so sure about that given the extend of the charges, the premier league are gonna have to come up with a significant amount of proof which I don't see them assembeling

[@musamanneh8939]

He came, he saw and he conquered. Pep and this City are up there. Winning 4 EPL tittles on the bounce and 5 in 6 Seasons isn't a record to downplay.

[@andersmortensen7415]

Pep failed big time in germany tho ruined bayern took them from the best team in the world at that time to 7th then he sell key players and run away people forget quickly 😂

[@polymath_sa9745]

​@andersmortensen7415 how did Pep fail in Germany where won every trophy available in Germany? He got knocked out in UCL.

[@afallenworld1581]

What are talking about he won the league every single season there and got the semifinals all 3 years. ​@@andersmortensen7415

[@kingof206]

@@polymath_sa9745because he had one of the strongest teams in Europe… top 3 .. and people consider him as the best manager in the world , then why didn’t he win it there. Seems like he can only win so much with rich oil daddy money or prime Barcelona

[@navy9797]

No disrespect to this squad but last seasons team was THE greatest team in the prem!! Treble winning szn basically the team captained by Gundo!

[@paulandrew4820]

i agree... i miss gundo so much!!

[@thierryhenry674]

The 17-20 ManCity were the best PL team. They were much better than last season’s ManCity.

[@DC-zi6se]

Agreed... That treble winning team 22/23 was basically a combination of Spanish short passing, German press & English physicality and directness. The most COMPLETE team ever!

[@malopephasha4418]

@@DC-zi6se well summed up. 👏🏽

[@IA67676]

​@@DC-zi6selet's be real prime madrid would literally put them to bed

[@BC-mj7gj]

Pep,s Man City is the greatest team in the history of EPL, his Barca is the greatest team in the history of club football. Hate it or love it, he’s influence in football can’t be matched.

[@Stoic-Waziri]

Madrid winning 3 consecutive ucl? Are u dumb or deranged? 😂

[@teenageapocalypseusa5368]

And his Bayern team? When he wins 3 CLs in a row maybe I will believe.

[@Belligoal.5]

Real Madrid 2017 >>>>> pep any team 😂

[@CR7_THEGOAT777]

@@Belligoal.5 nonsense

[@hongkongner2026]

Couldn’t agree more

[@garbge8910]

Its not far-fetched to say so. This Man City team is disgusting, with the best midfielders in the world, one of the best attackers in the world, one of the best defenders in the world, and probably the best manager of the past twenty years or so

[@thebat7048]

Who is the defender.??

[@faridirwan7610]

@@thebat7048 Ruben Dias

[@DC-zi6se]

@@thebat7048 Stones, Gvardiol, Akanji, Walker

[@lukelocks9083]

"and probably the best manager of the past ten years or so" only 10 yrs? How about the GOAT manager!

[@garbge8910]

@@lukelocks9083 now that I think about it... 10 years ago was 2014 💀💀💀 I meant 15 - 20 years

[@tsdvaks]

City are the greatest team in premier league history

[@raindmask]

You don't deserve to comment like that

[@mark5338]

No, the greatest prem team ever was when David Silva was bald. That season they were just unbelieable.

[@DC-zi6se]

"When David Silva went bald" 🤣

[@yasssighs6034]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@marlonblade007]

Year?

[@rackspack]

Winning the league on the back of over 100 financial charges and in the era of some of the worst standard of premier league football? Not for me. One lucky Champions League victory in all that time is not enough to put them up as the greatest. Even the City team of years ago with David Silva was better than this current one.

[@IA67676]

Yeah as a city fan I agree 17 18 was in my opinion 2nd best ever in the prem

[@redpandagency]

As long pep guardiola is the manager I can’t see anyone challenging them .

[@shanky1751]

if they win the fourth in a row then there's not even a debate the only team that comes close is united in the 90s/00s

[@Sadviolinsound]

With 115 great foundation

[@antiwokehuman]

@@Sadviolinsoundlol. How many times do you think fergy broke the transfer market.😂

[@shanky1751]

@@Sadviolinsound that makes absolutely no difference to city being the best team

[@shanky1751]

@@antiwokehuman they'll always complain about something but I can guarantee you in a decade time no one will care about the controversies and people will look back on this team as legendary

[@markcampbell6484]

Steady on young man they have right to reply to defend themselves let's wait and see what happens

[@amateurhour21]

Shaka and everyone of his ilk should also mention charges relate to 2010 to 2018. How does it diminish titles since then? BTW charges are not going to be proven. If Premier League were sure then they wouldn't have dragged it on.

[@goddfreygilkes2903]

So sad that Shaka can't bring himself to say that this Mancity team is the best ever. "They're in the conversation", give me a break Shaka, please. If city win this fourth title they would have separated themselves from all the great teams in the past. Shaka speaking like a football fan not a wise pundit.

[@rommanahmed6315]

@@goddfreygilkes2903IKR! 4peating the PL for the first time ever, and having THE TREBLE in one of these seasons. There's no debate.

[@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings]

- If City charges cleared today - Envious of City 4peat - New accusations thrown at City - 4peat must be discredited - Because Haters made accusations?😂

[@alexmayer2442]

Yes they are. No contest, hands down the best

[@fahdzaa]

True, best Frauds. 🥸

[@123duelist]

​@fahdzaa City is winning 2 trophies. So cry.

[@fahdzaa]

@@123duelist Real Madrid beat city twice in 3 yeara and kicked them out this season. So cry more! Just wait for the 115FFP justice, you'll go cry even more! 🥸🤣

[@thierryhenry674]

@@fahdzaa Brentford beat ManCity twice last season. Brentford is better than ManCity? No. Madrid just park the bus like a weak team playing simple tactics. Any weak team can do that and get lucky.

[@fahdzaa]

@@thierryhenry674 Ye weak team with 14 CL throphies! Now go back to your Fraud manager Pep. But lets wait and see how the 115FFP charges will end huh! 🥸

[@thierryhenry674]

17-20 ManCity were the best PL teams.

[@Noirlore]

I say last years. Last year’s defense was unbelievable the final 4 months

[@thierryhenry674]

No Aguero, Sterling, Jesus, Sane, Zinchenko, Cancelo? And they have a Haaland who is not tricky, skillful, tekky, silky, who destroys ManCity’s dangerous tiki taka play, makes them direct, boring and play anti football?

[@DC-zi6se]

​@@thierryhenry674 😂

[@faridirwan7610]

@@Noirlore Agree, much better tactical

[@thierryhenry674]

@@faridirwan7610 Much less control, less build up play, create less and lower quality chance, score less. Too direct, boring and too much anti football. Give me the 17-20 ManCity back, they were truly beautiful.

[@ammadshafique2588]

Centurian Domestic treble Treble 3peat most probalby 4peat double after treble... overall 6 leagues potentially 5 league cups and 3 fa cup as well This team is incredible!!!

[@IA67676]

Give credit to sheikh mansoor he's the one that built all this

[@anatoliybakaev600]

KDB > Gerrard > Lampard

[@nicholascoffey4504]

LOL obvious city fan

[@samig9032]

Yes. KDB and Gerrard were the ones who stirred the drink on their teams. Only in English speaking media would this be a debate.

[@MrKaravaj]

No and no

[@kevinmillar1122]

Gerrard 121 goals KDB 68 goals , Giggs 168 assists KDB 112 its not really a contest Giggs is clear of KDB in the PL , Gerrard is clear in the European Cup

[@younglyrics8064]

​@@kevinmillar1122 kdb has less game's played than both you idiot

[@Koshin_Jimcali]

Ale Moreno has really grown on me. Lifes funny like that

[@Tebohomotitimi]

He's the main character after all.

[@KeeperKen30]

If they pull the double, then yes, they are. Since 2017-18 they will have won 6 out of 7 Premier League titles, be the first to win 4 titles in a row, the first to hit 100 points in a season, 2 FA Cups, 4 League Cups, 1 Champions League, 1 Super Cup, 1 Club World Cu, and a Treble.

[@bladefiser2242]

Pep bro you’ve maxed all your achievements in the premier league, your resume is untouchable, please come back and save Barcelona, please

[@belphegor649]

I don't think that Barcelona, at their current state, would be able to meet all his demands.

[@stefan5730]

He cannot spend like crazy in Barcelona so he won't come back.

[@trephix]

😬too broke for the goat manager

[@mikedavies9953]

There body of work is undeniable from 2018/2024 just simply incredible

[@MrKaravaj]

I dont want to say it but yes (if they win on sunday)

[@marvelloussingandu415]

They hold all the records plus 115 charges... Yeah GREATEST team

[@obinitv7466]

Kay Murray is just a fantastic presenter. I love her.😊

[@theone7778]

17/18 man city with a average defense would have been top 3 greatest teams of all time

[@marlows3473]

Can't be considered the best ever with over 120 pending sanctions... The best MUST do it by upholding the rules and essence of fair play in sport!

[@35utsavavardhana83]

Lmao now apply and investigate those charges on man utd arsenal and chelsea in the 90s and 2000s😂

[@paschalonyewuenyi1685]

Nedum was really struggling to stay awake.

[@ebiemmanuel6664]

Ale is a funny guy😂❤

[@mattdathew2794]

shaka demon laugh is a real deal

[@iPhantom27]

Ale disowning Pedri 😂😂😂😂

[@terryomara9403]

I am a gunner and yes pep and city are the best i think what arteta is acheiving is incredible pep could tell if his barca may be the best team ever so pep is no1 full stop and then real madrid who can pick the best ever but i do thing pep is the best today

[@dhirshg]

Just imagine if they weren't purchased in 2008 - relegation instead of KDB, Haaland, Pep, treble...they owe their owners everything.

[@senti2175]

The charges has nothing to do with this team or even Pep. i don't know what Shaka is waffling about. City isn't even the biggest spender which is a first because every other dynasty were the biggest spenders in their era.

[@jasvirsandhu1158]

Next season it’s not going to be Jude I can promise you that because he not going to have the same season he had this year which was great… because of Mbappe curse 😅

[@adergas1]

Nedum on the show, at least one with knowledge.

[@paulhancock]

I think the most 'dominant' EPL team ever is the correct word, no doubt, but this era of football is terrible... And context matters when comparing 'greatness'. The standards, players and managers in the game across Europe are awful compared to 15, 20, 30 years ago, and City's only competition is an inexperienced Arsenal manager and team full of kids who've never won anything, and the playing field is not level, so what does greatness in this era even mean? We'll never know how they'd do in peak Ferguson/Wenger/Mourinho eras but I know they wouldn't be getting 100 points or winning a league in third gear like they do now. The level of players throughout the PL in 90's and 2000's compared to now is scary... It's actually embarrassing. Liverpool and Arsenal are 'the' competition in this era... But compare Arteta's players vs Wenger? Klopp's players vs Benitez? Different levels. Unfortunately, due to the nature of the internet, most people contributing to the discussion didn't even watch football pre-Messi, so it's usually pure recency bias and statistics. Anyway, whatever.

[@senti2175]

Fergi had far less competition when he was winning than Pep. It was basically a farmers league with all the financial power in one club. The fact that Wenger even challenged him and won says all because Arsenal were never the best in Europe (Klop's Liverpool were). The first real challenge came with Mourinho and he exposed him. And the fact that a new team with no experience in winning titles like City beat him further exposed him. Further proof that you logic is BS is that two of PL teams won UCL before City beating everyone else in Europe. There have been two finals with all English teams. Since Pep came in, there has been an English team in UCL final almost every year. And more clubs have financial power than ever before. Wenger was kicked out of the club by own fans because he couldn't compete with new increased competition. He considered getting top 4 a success. Morinho failed in Man Utd then failed at Spurs in Pep's era. So all this nostalgia talk kinda falls apart.

[@seipu8975]

Better Manchester City team are coming

[@giuseppelarini110]

Manchester City did win the title before QPR match, but that was their first Premier League. It was called the First Division.....

[@Sparz512]

Hurry up and get to the topic, you know what i hate.....this pre season chat before they get to the flipping topic!!!

[@Shaggy-8392]

Yes in terms of statistics, but apart from Madrid, theres been no stand out opposition unlike yesteryear.

[@stephenmcculloch7192]

No 115, stevie g

[@sandeshmishra1205]

Kdb is the greatest midfielder in the history of premier league 💙

[@hussamsaleem5992]

Shaka knowlege about football is same like Kim Kardishian

[@S93H794]

You can make a Hollywood series of all the decisions that helped City win all them titles and a documentary about 115, so NO.

[@DePrince88]

As an Arsenal fan, YES CHEATY is the greatest team ever assembled in premier league through FINANCIAL DOPING

[@JakeSnake-wh5yu]

Late 2000s 2010 2017 real Madrid and Barcelona when Pep and Jose ran things

[@kitwanaabraham560]

Nope! The Man City team, which accumulated 100 points a few seasons ago, is the greatest team of the PL era. And I'm an Arsenal fan and Man City Hater.

[@yasssighs6034]

Ale : " for free"

[@senti2175]

Thats not the question. The question is which version of City is the best. The Centurions or the treble winners. Yes its about the PL so UCL shouldn't count but the they won the league while winning the UCL beating Bayern, Real Madrid and Inter. They had to win a must win PL game sandwitched between two must wins Real Madrid games within a span of a week.

[@andy56018]

City have Haaland United have Hojlund 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@EpicGammingCrew]

Ale in top form lol

[@TheHulgan]

Not too long ago you guys were clowning their defense and how much they were conceding

[@CesarSanchezfool]

Nah the invincibles had Henry!

[@Hamza-yu1ur]

115 charges.

[@BC-mj7gj]

De Bruyne Gerrard Lampard

[@Tebohomotitimi]

Gerrard is not on this list.

[@thebops4180]

YES

[@mashinajoe]

AC Milan of the early 90's is the best team ever

[@ymo6096]

Yes,yes and YES!!!

[@TopGun69]

Cheats never prosper !

[@Tebohomotitimi]

Tell that to man utd.

[@jeffhudson9778]

Yes

[@bluecheese4877]

Win or lose. City already the greatest ever

[@IA67676]

Real madrid with literally 14 ucls and 30 league titles and man utd and liverpool with 19 and 20 epls but apparently who only are where they are due to foreign takeovers are apparently the greatest team ever

[@lashclassandnotes]

There is no such thing as all time in sports except for athletics. You can say fastest runner and highest jumper of all time and so on. But in other sports, there are only generations.

[@tla_studios]

Best team ever the last 6 years. WHICH City season though? The treble season. What they did to Arsenal, Bayern, Madrid head to head? The attacking power and the amazing defense in one team? The Centurion season is close but they had defensive holes and not the mental strength and experience to manage the hardest UCL games.

[@IA67676]

Nah the centurions would easily win the ucl if they played in its 22 23 season. Football was way harder back in 2018, noodle hair cr7 would've steam rolled anyone

[@dregen8662]

With 14 years of financial cheating, say it all

[@jaxthree2247]

Players win at the field. Man u spent more and they are trash. Its not all money.

[@senti2175]

Man Utd have been cheating for over 100 years and Arsenal shouldnt even be in the the league.

[@dregen8662]

@@jaxthree2247 United spends their own money, City spends somebody else's, that's why they have 115 charges genius, they cheat

[@davidforde5756]

Last season treble winning team was better than this team

[@Youtubechannel-po8cz]

They also have the biggest budget. 4 titles in row, yes a fantastic achievement but… they have failed in the champions league. So not as great as the Liverpool team of the 80’s.

[@harshwardhanparkale]

Start Lampard all day everyday 🩵

[@babyting395]

Is ESPN football coverage the worst there is? I would have thought ESPN could do much better.

[@OffMetaProfessor]

Greatest team over a 5 year period yes

[@inzykhan415]

Of course they are alongside man united treble team and Arsenal invincibles team top 3 best teams ever of the prem

[@IA67676]

Depends which individual season. Utd 07 08 beats any other prem team and after them I'd personally take city 17 18 cause the way they dominated was monstrous 18 wins in a row in actually mental. Liverpool 19 20 are underrated though

[@ankitdixit6073]

Good heading. Good questions. Bad answers.

[@kevin-nz7rk]

Yup yup peps the greatest coach ❤❤

[@ravitripathi1189]

Wow these guys are really cribbing about running while me who runs for fun 😂😂

[@G0ATdebate]

115

[@BB-wc9jx]

Huge investments of money 💰 certainly helps

[@cacambo589]

YES. But don't tell Man U fans. They're sensitive.

[@IA67676]

Mate as a city fan we've got a long way to go

[@hakki368]

Many comments here suffer from the common mental errors of Availability Hueristic and Confirmation Bias, answering based on the last 10 years, which is a big fail. If the question is GOAT, then they should answer looking at least from the last 50 years of EPL. Funny too how ESPN FC always love talking about and hyping up Man City. Their bias too in full view.

[@Telssa1]

The 17/18 defence wasn't as good as now, but that was still the best Cty team I ever saw. Our greatest players, in their prime, came together to get 100 points and 106 PL goals with scintillating football.

[@IA67676]

17 18 was the best city team in my opinion and second best ever in the prem and probably like top 10 in all time. The way they dominated was immense and had the longest winning streak of all time and only lost twice across the whole season.

[@Telssa1]

@@IA67676 How many points did the alleged best ever team get? How many goals?

[@IA67676]

@@Telssa1 utd 07 08 got 87 points

[@Telssa1]

@@IA67676 13 points and 26 goals less. I admire your loyalty.

[@IA67676]

@@Telssa1 nah I just have a brain mate. Apart from points in the prem the 08 team whacks that 17 18 city team. Regardless of points. Logic could be applied to city 23 but tbf city 23 didn't need to beat an elite barca team or Chelsea team in the ucl and went up against teams that were quite weak for their standards.

[@artminusme]

Guy in the center… ZERO BALL KNOWLEDGE it’s KDB everytime

[@danpetric85]

Sad to say but if they win the 4th in a row then they overtake UTD.🤔

[@davekika7394]

2023 ikay gundoghan mahrez underrated 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆💙

[@RedViper9]

One-One-Five FC

[@drummaster786]

Maybe? Are they the most expensive EPL team of all time? Without a doubt.

[@BC-mj7gj]

Cry blood 😂

[@drummaster786]

@@BC-mj7gj Nah BrUv. I'll be chilling at Wembley at the big boys table. 😭😭

[@MalachiHockaday]

@@drummaster786 Word....amen

[@tvgcmma9215]

Depends what mean by greatest team as this team orib weakest of last 4 / but I’d refer to last 4 years a as one team then clearly the best in English football

[@patthebaker3575]

Are these guys ever going to be taken seriously. They are like students in for a coffee talking silly for 90% of the time.

[@TSXBM]

Is Lance Armstrong the greatest cyclist of all time?

[@Nsorien19]

You can't be the best when you're being charged with 115 breaches

[@franciskyombo9394]

CITY, CITY. CITY.

[@franciskyombo9394]

City, city, city.

[@BC-mj7gj]

Cry blood 😂

[@Tebohomotitimi]

You sound idiotic.

[@jaxthree2247]

Players won on the field all the same. Man u spent more and they are trash still.

[@GM-kz4qw]

Ever??? Sure.

[@anilbodar9394]

Pl is not hard like before city's main rival Liverpool always tired end of season so no competition for city this season arsenal push otherwise last season they also bottled ... And all team have similar financial muscles now nobody near to city in terms of money spending. One manager at one club for 8 year with unlimited resources .

[@Creees]

No way. Not with that goalkeeper lol. Would get thumped by old United and Chelsea teams. Drogba scores 5 and Rooney Eonaldo Tevez would put 8 past City goalkeeper

[@aguilasandy]

Definitely the best team in premier league ever! Speaks to the greatness of Real Madrid who eliminated them while having a bunch of injuries. Crazy

[@Cropsy-yy9wg]

haha two deflected goals just to scrape by on pens. City clear of Madrid and you know it.

[@MalachiHockaday]

@@Cropsy-yy9wg maybe city shouldn't have let in those goals. We all know city would have lost at the bernebeu if courtois was there. That was the stupidest free kick goal in UCL history, Coutois wouldn't have let that in

[@Cropsy-yy9wg]

nah City are clear.@@MalachiHockaday

[@mylesarchie8577]

I will agree when they win 20 premier league espn smh

[@Prnhub_Supremacy]

City already surpassed my finished club Man Utd, time to switch team cmon City 💙 💙💙

[@Sadviolinsound]

You fake fans should jump whatever bandwagon you like

[@Spygoal]

With that kind of comment .. yeah go support them. Unbelievable comment. Plastic fan.

[@_A7Xx]

Bodied penited urinited refnited FAnited yanited

[@Ezw6]

???

[@sid007nirmal3]

In your dreams

[@rudrajitsinha3175]

They went toe to toe with a transition Madrid. So yes..

[@mamadousy9632]

Lets wait for the 115 Charges first before I give my final opinion

[@BGjunior]

Goalkeepers should not be pundits

[@Tebohomotitimi]

Watch talksport, you'll appreciate everyone on this show.

[@Raj_tiwari26]

Ale thinks he is top class tactician Playin both havertz and fulkurg i don't whom he benching wirtz, musiala, kroos

[@ourhouseuk]

Lot of minutes to say, no.

[@sid007nirmal3]

I would still pick United 07-09 team. That was blockbuster football with CR7, Rooney, Tevez.

[@harrismazari5484]

lower average points, lower goals scored but yeah you keep telling yourself that team was better lol

[@nathanmcguckin9518]

Na I’m a United fan even tho that United team was great but this city team is on a different level

[@Wondering31]

@@nathanmcguckin9518shut up that united front 3 will bully these city defenders…

[@nathanmcguckin9518]

@@Wondering31 see have to get hostile because u know it’s true

[@Wondering31]

@@nathanmcguckin9518 that utd side is better than any version of city.. U are probably too young to know it ..

[@mkdisciple]

Nah Man U 07/08. Fergie didn’t set out to win get 100 points. He managed his squad to win the league and would sprinkle in a Kieron Richardson or a Luke Chadwick. Almost every player in Man City’s squad is a 60 million pound signing. SQUAD, not even the starting 11 or bench but the 23 man squad. They got that guy from Wolves and he’s like their Kieron Richardson and he cost 60 mil.