Is This Station a MASSIVE White Elephant? | Downsview Park

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[@TD-gc5tq]

Video idea: top transit “white elephants” (and how to fix their white elephant status, to make the video positive). I would put a couple of highways and airports in that list.

[@RMTransit]

Yes that could be interesting for sure! Good idea!

[@Deadchannel2244]

I-95

[@LukeRichardson1981]

Easy. Shanghai Transrapid (maglev). It goes from Pudong Airport to basically the middle of nowhere (OK, Longyang Road is now a lot less the middle of nowhere than it was when the maglev opened in 2003, as it is now a 4-line interchange station). You still have to transfer to the Metro or a taxi to get to the city centre, so it's not much faster overall than just taking the metro directly. It doesn't even travel at the top speed of 430km/h for most of the day. The only way to save it would be to extend it further either to Lujiazui or People's Square, or at very least to Shanghai South Railway Station / Hongqiao Railway Station / Airport. But any plans to extend it have been basically put to bed by public opposition, the Central Government's commitment to conventional HSR over maglev technology, and the currently under construction Airport Link Line that will cut travel time between Pudong and Hongqiao to 40 minutes down from the current 90 minutes+ via Metro Line 2 when it opens in 2024.

[@SFKelvin]

Anaheim ARCTIC station.

[@sethanix3969]

@@LukeRichardson1981 The line itself is more or less only the physicall remnants of a large technology transfer from Germany to China. They never intended to build more than that line, but now they have everything they need to develop their own, "patent-free" version of it if the need ever arises...

[@JamesScantlebury]

If there's any stations on the TYSSE that should have been left as a concrete box waiting for future development - it's this one. An interchange with a infrequent GO Transit line.. is not that important right now - but could be useful in the future!

[@tommyjames3105]

Counter point - Highway 407. It amazes me that we put off building North York Centre station for a decade, but it was apparently incredibly necessary to build a station in the middle of a marsh. I can literally hear crickets when I walk through the parking lot.

[@Wofly-me3pq]

I agree except for the part about the interchange not being important. That's perhaps the most important part. There was no need to make it so big. Perhaps with the saved money, a similar basic transfer station could have been built in Concord. We need these interchanges yo make non-union trips possible

[@Absolute_Zero7]

Ye I have to disagree. The fact that its a Barrie Line transfer is incredibly useful. Its just overbuilt for that purpose.

[@ryanidious4510]

@@tommyjames3105 Iirc the original idea was that most of the regional bus traffic would interchange with the subway at 407 station not VMC station.

[@qolspony]

I agree. Everything should have been enclosed GO station, bike parking ect.

[@mdu02]

I've actually used Downsview Park quite a bit, but that's mostly on me living on the Barrie Line and travelling on GO busses to university a lot.

[@RMTransit]

There's a very specific use case there!

[@Nukeguy909]

Damn this station is giantic for such small passenger numbers, bigger than a lot of far busier London underground stations I've been to. Are they planning to turn it into a big interchange or did they just massively overbuilt it?

[@sunosis4872]

Probably the latter but considering the planned GO expansion and the growth of housing North of Toronto, it might become more busy over the years.

[@actuallyspee9772]

They built this station because they knew that the airport would be torn down, redeveloped, and be home to tons of new high density housing.

[@RMTransit]

That's TBD, that said the GO line could provide massive traffic in the future.

[@david_walker_esq]

Check out "id8 Downsview" for an idea of what Canada Lands Company and Northcrest have in mind for the surplus government lands surrounding the park. In about 30 years, the station won't appear to be such a white elephant anymore.

[@Amir-qz4bn]

This will be more useful when the Barrie GO line expansion is finished with the Caledonia, Bloor-Landsdowne and Spadina GO stations completed as well. Fare integration between the GO and TTC is recommended also as this not only drives up the obvious North to South traffic (and vice versa) but also the transfer from the Barrie line to Line 1 towards York University, Vaughan and especially the 407 station for long distance travelers and that doesn't get talked about often.

[@kryptotransit]

I have used this station to bypass ttc delays this only works in certain use cases,it's pretty useful too if you are coming from north and want to connect to the subway without going all the way to Union. However I do believe a Concord GO station should be built, Caledonia needs to be built, and all trains need to stop at liberty village.

[@RMTransit]

For sure, gotta advocate!

[@MadMadCommando]

Hopefully the airport will be redeveloped into a transit oriented community soon. It’s always cheaper to add capacity when your building in an empty field then when it’s already a dense neighbourhood. Just like the Shepard line, development will come

[@rebbiakiva]

Especially if the Sheppard line is connected to Downsview Park Station.

[@MadMadCommando]

@@rebbiakiva that could actually be the real reason for overbuilding the station. It might become a major interchange station with two subway lines and 15 min regional GO service. Hopefully they’ll extend the Shepard line to the east and west

[@david_walker_esq]

It's a 30+ year redevelopment project by two crown corporations. It doesn't seem very soon, but once it finally comes to fruition, Downsview will be a whole new community within Toronto and the station won't be such a "white elephant." If you haven't seen any of the envisioned renderings of the area, google Canada Lands Company and id8 Downsview.

[@MadMadCommando]

@@david_walker_esq I've seem the renderings before, but they seem a bit greenwashed to me. At least it's quite high density. I watched a video on Rochester New York's removal of a highway, and what are they replacing the highway with? Single family homes of course!

[@david_walker_esq]

@Zaydan Naufal Canada Lands Company redevelops surplus lands owned by the federal government (closed airports, military bases and so on). Northcrest is a developer of the PSP Board (pensions for the RCMP, Armed Forces and other public service retirees).

[@MIIAIIRIIK]

The Sheppard line should connect there so it can also connect with the GO.

[@RMTransit]

Yes it wouldn't be a bad idea

[@david_walker_esq]

In 30 years, once Canada Lands Company and Northcrest have completed their redevelopment project, Downsview station will be the gateway to a whole new community.

[@repatch43]

A whole new community that mostly either drives or works from home.

[@WilliamChan]

Looking forward to that video on the Downsview development plans! I've been following talk on that and it's one of the areas of Toronto I'd love to try to live at in the coming 2 decades.

[@RMTransit]

It seems quite exciting! The unfortunate thing is that the density is spread out rather than focused at the rail systems which would generate more ridership.

[@WilliamChan]

@@RMTransit That's a good point. Hopefully that gets changed as it gets closer to realization. I know massing and general built form is a big focus of the new Secondary Plan for STC where I live

[@SpektakOne]

The emptiness reminds me of that “Finding Bessarion” video from a number of years ago, back when that was the least used subway station.

[@yyy222y2]

Wasn't this station built this large because it anticipated the future re-development of Downsveiw airport and its surrounding area? Right now there's only open fields, but the station will become the anchor of the mixed-use development that has been planned and its massive size and amenities will become justified. Is it a perfect station? Hardly, many things can be improved (eg the shelterless GO platforms or the lack of a indoor bike parkade, which you have mentioned). But is building big so that infrastructure will be capable of handling (a certain to appear) future demand a "white elephant"? Hardly so, and I thought that was one of the things you advocated for on this channel.

[@jacktattersall9457]

That large concourse would be a great place to locate a coffeeshop and grocery store or something. Wonder if TTC could take Shoppers Drug Mart, Starbucks, or someother store into locating in the concourse. And a small cafe next to the GO ticket booth (does GO even need its own ticket booth, most people use PRESTO/buy tickets from machines. If people have questions they can ask roving customer service agents. Personally I think ticket booths are like jails for transit staff.

[@repatch43]

2000 people a day cannot support any sort of business on the concourse level. And there wouldn't be any 'induced demand' generated either.

[@qwincyq6412]

The station: come for the artwork, stay for the trains!

[@DanTheCaptain]

The station has great potential and I used it often to get to and from college in Barrie on weekends. The station itself is close and well connected by the subway. I love the prevalence of natural sunlight. However, sometimes I’d end up taking Ontario Northland instead because using GO to get to and or from Barrie takes eons. By far the biggest problem is the ridiculous schedule that requires everyone alight at Aurora and get stuffed into a coach bus. Hence I’d rather spend the same amount for a longer distance bus service that would actually cut my time in half.

[@Absolute_Zero7]

Thats a recent thing. Until a month ago, Barrie Line trains ran every 3 hours to Allandale.

[@RMTransit]

Hopefully they bring more train service back

[@DanTheCaptain]

@@Absolute_Zero7 This was back in 2019, and while I haven't checked the schedule as of late, especially because I'm no longer in school, the train would only make trips down from Allendale in the morning and back in the afternoon. But if what you say is correct, I'm all for it! All-day service both ways would be awesome along with more stations along the route.

[@OntarioTrafficMan]

Prior to the omicron-related service reductions, there were 10 trains per day which ran the full route to Barrie on weekdays, and 6 on weekends: Weekdays departing Toronto at 9:53, 13:53, 15:53, 16:23, 16:53, 17:23, 17:53, 18:23, 21:53, 22:53 Weekdays departing Barrie at 5:23, 5:53, 6:23, 6:53, 7:08, 7:38, 8:08, 9:08, 13:08, 21:08 Weekends departing Toronto at 8:53, 11:53, 14:53, 17:53, 20:53, 22:53 Weekends departing Barrie at 6:53, 8:08, 11:08, 14:08, 17:08, 20:08 The above service should be reinstated soon as the omicron wave passes and fewer operators are taking sick leave. GO is planning to run direct service every hour to Barrie, with additional trains running to Aurora, but in order to do that they first need to build some sidings on the single-tracked line north of Aurora.

[@mrmaniac3]

The design of this station reminds me of the newer Sacramento International Airport terminal

[@alsosean]

It’s indeed empty most of the time but when I used it after an outdoor music concert at Downsview Park it was absolutely packed…..temporarily.

[@history_leisure]

Metro Madrid and the Cercanias still have separate fare gates, but are fare integrated (although for working age adults that costs an arm and a leg to get all of that)

[@Globalurb]

I'm surprised you didn't mention Downsview Park market which is one of the main reasons why someone would use that (currently oversized) station.

[@mrgooglethegreat]

It could be a Sim City 4 type of thing where the gov may plan ahead creating a huge station first and then later making neghborhood more dense. Idk....but the station is beautiful and could easily xreate more development

[@qwertyTRiG]

That is ridiculously massive. Hope usage increases to make it worth while.

[@RMTransit]

It probably will, but whether it will be worthwhile is unclear

[@fafaflunkie]

This reminds you of all the stations on line 4. Look at how large they were built and how underutilized they are. I understand the forethought: they would rather overbuild now than retro build later. But looking at this station, along with Hwy 407, Bayview, Bessarion and Leslie, one has to think our grandchildren will be long dead and buried before any of this extra space gets put to any use.

[@sirjohneh]

difference is - the way I understand it - that Sheppard Line 4 was built for political reasons and Downsview Park was built for urban planning reasons; including the planned-for expansion and development of the entire Downsview Park area. Also don't forget that the Barrie GO line is getting another TTC transfer stop at Landsdowne on Line 2 so there will be more reasons to use this station to transfer to express down to Bloor Line 2 and then Union Line 1 etc

[@txbornviking1]

that last line... oof, that was brutal

[@TorToroPorco]

The redevelopment of Downsview sounds interesting it would be nice to see some amenities in the area. Hopefully it will incorporate some good design rather than the cookie cutter suburban dullness that is so common. In that respect it will be fun to compare it with Edmonton’s Blatchford Field development which will have the Metro LRT line going through it.

[@canadave87]

They're saying pretty encouraging things in the initial planning documents for Downsview. It'll be mixed use, with residential and office space, and they have some neat ideas, like turning the runway into a central pedestrian and cycling corridor. We'll see how it goes, of course, but I'm hopeful.

[@Wusuba1]

The only time I went and visited that station was during the veld festival. After events ended, there was certainly more than enough space to occupy people who are accessing the subway after the festival/concert

[@goldengolem4725]

This station has one single feature that can save it, a bus terminal. A bus terminal would openly just make it so much more used then Sheppard West as it creates instant Presto transfer with no extra walking across the street. It would change the options from possible GO Transfer with a huge and more equipped station vs a large old station, from the current walk-in with extra money spent vs large bus terminal with YRT connections.

[@pixoontube2912]

This station feels like a failed "group project". The TTC kid did all the work and probably spent way to much time and work for this project and thus did something that really went beyond the scope. And the GO kid forgot about the project until 11pm the evening before the project was due and just threw something together. Result: Both got a C-

[@Fan652w]

My immediate reaction to this video (remember I live in Nottingham England) was to Google 'Downsview ParkToronto' to find out more about the Park! I see that it covers nearly a square mile, and has all sorts of outdoor leisure facilities. It surely gets very busy on a fine non-working day. Eg on a fine Sunday afternoon at the end of February, 10 degrees C, only a light wind. (These are the current weather conditions here in Nottingham! Everyone will be flocking to our local Wollaton Park.). What percentage of visitors to the park actually use either subway line one or the GO Barrie line to get to the park?

[@adorabell4253]

Very few. The park is eons away from where most people live, it’s not very interesting, surrounded by busy arterial roads, and is mostly known for hosting music festivals and such during the summer. If people was a nice park they go to any number of the better known ones around the city. The station will be a lot more popular once outdoor music starts happening again.

[@RMTransit]

It would be somewhat busy for sure, but the walk is a little long unless you have a clear plan . . . You wouldn't just show up on chance

[@jason1318]

Ay up me duck! Rare to see someone else from Notts on here! I think Highfields/UoN park is great for transit with thd NET stop. Though Wollaton has got good connections with Orange 35/6

[@repatch43]

Google has led you astray. This 'park' is ALWAYS empty, NOONE goes there. It's in a wasteland of abandoned and active manufacturing.

[@mohitmasand]

@@jason1318 small world! Someone from Notts commenting on a video about Toronto transit...Highfields was my go to place for walks after classes at UoN.

[@OntarioTrafficMan]

Some additional background: The Barrie line is being double-tracked as we speak, so increased regional train service is coming within the next few years. The station is underutilized at the moment, but will become increasingly important as regional service increases. It would have been crazy to build this subway line and not provide a connection to GO. The GO line is actually designed for 3 tracks, not 2. There is space for a centre track, which will allow peak-direction express trains to overtake local trains, and allow freight trains to still pass through the station even after the platforms are raised for level boarding with GO trains.

[@sblack53]

Wild ideas for Downsview Park station: Move bus connections that are now at Sheppard West Extend Line 4 west and have it interline with Line 1 at Downsview Park and Finch West (and maybe as far as York University or Pioneer Village) to create a Line 6-Line 4 crosstown effect. More dense development in the Sheppard/Chesswood area. There’s a hotel and event site there and I selfishly want better lunch options when I’m working events there.

[@OntarioTrafficMan]

Downsview Park is my local GO train station and for me the biggest improvement would be fare integration with local TTC buses. The GO train would be the best way for me to get downtown, except that it would cost $3.20 for the bus to the station, then another $5.18 for the train ($8.38 total). The train is faster and more comfortable than the subway, but not enough to justify nearly triple the price. So instead I take the bus to Sheppard West and take the subway for $3.20 total. If the province funded free TTC rides for passengers connecting to GO, just like they do for every other agency in the GTA, then my trip would only cost $5.18 by GO and I would go to Downsview Park instead of Sheppard West.

[@azerkablam]

As someone who uses this station daily and works in the neighborhood across the street from the station, I don't think I've ever seen more than 5 other people at the station. It's grossly underused as a subway station.

[@OntarioTrafficMan]

My video on Downsview Park station has shots with 5 people getting off the same door of the same train at the same time, let alone the other people in the station. But yeah, it's clearly not busy at the moment. It will become busier as GO train service increases and there is more development in the surrounding area

[@commonsense3482]

Is it a white elephant or is it forward planning for the future neighbouring planned development. Agree re the cycle parking and the Go platforms lack of covers. Like the symmetry of the surface buildings did the artwork identify the side like Elizabeth line in London with red or black artwork at some stations entrances to help identify which way you are heading.

[@andrepoiy1199]

They probably thought "AC/DC had a concert here in 2015, where 40k people attended, therefore a station here would be a good idea"

[@RMTransit]

Haha, it's possible - though it was planned long before then

[@TheLiamster]

I’m not sure if this is true or not but wasn’t this station meant to have platform screen doors but those weren’t built because they are expensive?

[@TheTroyc1982]

the entire extension was to have platform screen doors hence why the concrete wall but they were axed due to cost.

[@chaughten]

Spot. On.

[@LukeRichardson1981]

Wow, that's just ridiculously overbuilt at the surface. My local station on the Shanghai Metro handles WAY more passengers than this on a daily basis already despite being on a brand new line that only opened a year ago, with way more to come given the massive residential and office development ongoing in the area, and it's considerably smaller on the surface, with only four small station houses at surface level. Underground it actually looks quite similar, though I'm amused by the fact that you mention that line of ticket gates being among the largest on the TTC, when that's a pretty standard number of gates at even a small station in Shanghai.

[@AridChannelOfficialSG]

Back in 2003 when NEL opened, Buangkok and Woodleigh were left unopened. At that time, there were people living near Buangkok. They were angry the station was unused, calling it a white elephant. They opened it in 2006 and opened Woodleigh in 2011. Now, with the TEL, Mount Pleasant and Marina South wil not open until developments are complete. When Mount Pleasant was announced, people called it a white elephant, as it did not serve anything, and would be like Bukit Brown, a non-opened shell station on the CCL. That was, until HDB announced new BTO flats in Mount Pleasant in November 2021. This was completely unexpected and given the isolated location far from anything at the moment other than the Old Police Academy, people would obviously question the purpose of Mount Pleasant.

[@RMTransit]

I think this station is unlikely to see lots of directly adjacent housing development but we will see!

[@Jake.MS3]

Now idk if immma be right or not but this station will prolly be a bit busy due to the fact that there is a VLED music festival that’s being held at downsview park and artists like the chainsmokers polo g gunna etc are gonna be there from July 29th to august 1

[@Nvideofilmsproductions]

Go Transit TTC station opened on December of 2017

[@TheLIRRFrenchie...]

Prime example of building the transit first BEFORE the TOD 🤣. I mean whatever, it's weird now but I'm sure had it been done later it'd be more expensive.

[@appa609]

It sucks that Bombardier is leaving. They should really keep the airport operational for GA. Pearson is too busy and Billy Bishop is way too restricted. Perfect place to run pilot training for downtown Torontonians.

[@RyanHolliday211]

So Downsview Park has overtaken Bessarion as least used station?

[@Gorizzah]

Arriving at, Downsview Park. DOwnsviewpark Station. Doors will open on the right.

[@gpan62]

So, no ads on the bare concrete walls, but ads on the information screen, check.

[@gedias1]

It's better to build 20 years ahead. We saw that with Bessarion station, which was once in the middle of nowhere, now beside a lot of condos that have been built.

[@shehryarshaukat2393]

I would love a video of you evaluating the Ford government with regards to public transit

[@BenSenneck92]

Kind of reminds me of Canary Wharf but with a tiny fraction of daily users lol

[@utahrailfan1946]

Can you do an Explained video on Salt Lake City's rail system? I feel like they have dealt with some of your criticisms of other systems in North America, but still has it's own issues.

[@emmettpickerel5016]

When I see the amount of architectural and technological features that have to be implemented around fares at these mixed mode stations, I really have to wonder if eliminating those concerns (as well as the ever popular fare-enforcement roles) and making transportation free would actually be cheaper.

[@OntarioTrafficMan]

When you include these architectural and technological features for pay-as-you-enter, you hardly need any fare enforcement personel. That is mostly if you want to attempt proof-of-payment so people would need to be checked onboard vehicles.

[@doublah1865]

Seeing a station in such a major city with only 1 track and platform just seems off to me, especially when the underground station has 2. Hopefully the area around can be better utilised and redeveloped while a second track is added.

[@stevewrenn9550]

Seems like it is over architected for the subway and under designed / integrated for the Go trains. Unfortunately this is far too common occurrence in the world.

[@tomaparo424]

Silly question, is there any future TOD planned? I know you stated the park was some distance away, but the immediate surroundings seemed very empty. I live in the US and that station looks way too large for such an open space.

[@repatch43]

To answer the question: Yes, it's a massive white elephant, as part of a whole line with stations that are each white elephants. I truly wonder how much MORE subway we would have gotten if the stations were built MUCH smaller and less fancy.

[@OntarioTrafficMan]

Probably not much. You need to dig that area out regardless in order to get down to subway level. Whether you fill it in with dirt or open space doesn't really change the cost.

[@repatch43]

@@OntarioTrafficMan I'm sorry, but you are just wrong. Digging a hole is cheap. Filling it back in is cheap. Creating massive concrete boxes, adding I can't imagine how much tile? That's REALLY expensive.

[@adambuesser6264]

Pull through stations vs Turn around stations?

[@singing4fun]

Biggest "soon to be" white elephant.... the scarborough subway extension.

[@darthwiizius]

There's something about this station that makes me think of public swimming pools.

[@pokaye]

If the tv ad screens don't show the times of the next train, then where are the times of the next trains shown?

[@priscillacomendador1326]

Please make a video about 903 TTC bus please

[@mdhazeldine]

Where are all the people?! It does seem somewhat ridiculously over engineered for what it is. Even if the GO line becomes a 2 track station and the area gets built up, the headhouse buildings seem really quite large. A similar station in London would be about half to quarter the size, with 2-4 times the amount of traffic. Still, look on the bright side, at least they didn't build a giant car park for 1000 cars. That's progress, right?

[@TheFarix2723]

So exactly what is that station suppose to serve? It appears to be out in the middle of nowhere, even for a city.

[@fernbedek6302]

Hopefully it’s just built ahead of need, rather than a true white elephant… but time will tell.

[@RMTransit]

It likely is, but it need not be

[@one42chrisp]

A “Least Used Station” requires a platform measurement in Vicky Feet 😂

[@arrowbishop5426]

In 40 years we are going to be thanking TTC for overdoing this station

[@lawrencejob]

I think we dropped cream and turquoise two decades ago

[@Vortexone112]

Wasting our tax money on vanity projects like this should be illegal. We got this and Bloomington GO instead of being able to have all 5 stops on the Yonge north extension

[@TrainStan]

Isn’t Bessarion the least used TTC station? It only has about 108 taps per day from what I’ve heard

[@kryptotransit]

Bessarion has increased to almost 3k ish due to condos being built in the area.

[@TrainStan]

@@kryptotransit makes sense

[@RMTransit]

It's been long surpassed by this

[@NovaMoonstar]

Have you ever considered studying for a Bachelor in Transportation Engineering?

[@RMTransit]

I already have a bachelor's and honestly I'd rather learn stuff outside of an academic environment

[@SeanMather]

It’s amazing how it looks both really good and really underwhelming at the same time. Like seriously no thought was put into the GO part of the station. Lame and somehow not unexpected

[@josheydubs]

What’s wrong with two escalators and an elevator down to a platform? I just think that makes more sense.

[@scott92507]

No public bathrooms.

[@SFKelvin]

this looks really overbuilt.

[@hugowattsjostrom1936]

no way this is filmed in february

[@bahnspotterEU]

Oh dear, that station looks completely overbuilt. The station building has no need to be this huge on the surface, a smaller structure would’ve sufficed. The resemblance to the hills in the park is also questionable. I would’ve designed the buildings to have glass frontages and sloping roofs that would reach almost all the way to the ground, covered in grass. That way it could actually be seen by the riders on ground level. The GO platform also looks really deserted, like some rural halt and not like a station in a city of millions. I really hope they add proper canopies and raise the platforms to the accessible height.

[@kiroolioneaver8532]

Yet they can't put a station (or even rough one in) for Brimley/Danforth/Eglinton lol

[@ivanoffw]

You can tell that the subway in Toronto was build in a different time than the London Underground or New York Subway. The older subways have bright, tile walls and were designed for a wealthy clientele. Toronto must have been designed during the brutalist era where you have the bare necessities of a concrete box and a box train to travel through it. Can't wait until these already unattractive stations show their age from neglect of maintenance, a dystopian movie will only have to request time at night to film, no props will be needed.

[@johnlustig4322]

So where are the sausages? Just asking......

[@ifithrewmyguitaroutt]

This looks like a lot of the newer Chinese metro stations. I wonder if some Chinese contractors were involved in the discussion.

[@wadp991]

I couldn't help but think of the similarities between Downsview and the new station at Orlando International Airport for Brightline. Both are somewhat boring stations.

[@fatherfountain1906]

DO PARIS METRO LIGNE 14 EXPLAINED actually just do Paris metro explained

[@RMTransit]

I will eventually, but I need to find some folks to help

[@Zarrx]

Veld come back bb

[@quoniam426]

I'm baffled by this outdated 70s style...

[@jeffreygleeson2444]

Frustrating how Ottawa had to massively value-engineer the O-Train, resulting in tight platforms and single escalators at extremely busy downtown stations, while this was getting built in a crappy Toronto industrial park.

[@gpan62]

Great space, but not very useful.

[@aaravyadav3748]

First

[@cplchanb]

This is just another of the examples of why ttc is so incompetent when it comes to infrastructure development. They waste money on these grand mausoleums such as this and hwy 407. They should've only been 1/2 the size and the money saved could have first been used to keep the next train displays PERMANENTLY AD FREE amongst many other avenues like the Ontario line. Until they integrate stations with other major developments like malls or actual transit hubs, these stations will never see the capacity it was built for