Is This The BEST Necro Abyss Team In Summoners War?

[@SeanBGames]

UPDATE: 1) Switching to Astar Scarlett (Fire Canon Girl) Raoq Icaru Shamman and I got my first 59 seconds run so far. 2) Scarlett is awakened and she is on Vio Rev Spd CD Atk 3) I hate this dungeon so I am going back to farming Dragons

[@soulawaken24]

LOL I literally just fed most of my cannons girls to my unawakened water cannon :( Anyway 59s is best run right? How's the average run looking?

[@Kalionyz]

scarlett helps one shot mid boss, helps kill stolen teammate, and can has multihit like abigail.. hadnt thought abput that

[@SeanBGames]

@@soulawaken24 tbh unawakened is still much more optimal

[@saucekun3661]

What if I use unawakened light cannon girl? Is it better or not?

[@danysankowski6198]

​@@SeanBGamestestet both.....agreed....Go for unawakened

[@link4585]

C2U is so scared of letting us dictate AI that someone had to make a team with an unawakened monster

[@kelliest1762]

For people who has fire and water twin ready this team might be for you. Shaina lead sabrina icaru, astar, shamman. The key points you needed for this team is 1, make sure astar doesnt get the highest attack point because the boss selects the highest attack in the first turn, 2nd is turn order should be Shaina - > icaru -> sabrina, imo this is most efficient so you can def break with a highest chance due to the twins passive. For me it safe and we have to admit we are in a era of normies running dungeon for 1 minute plus. so for me this team performs 1:05 to 1:20. decent and safe

[@TheGabriLima]

Man, can you help me with the minimum stats for each monster? Because I don't have many good runes and it's hard to have the same stats.

[@Northern_Grace]

My options for teams: 1) Talia (Leader), Deva, Sabrina, Shamann, Raoq (Highest attack power so that water twins don't get immediately targeted first part of boss stage) 2) Abigail/Emily (Leader), Lupinus (wind magic knight - I like S3 on boss stage and I had one built already. Can ALSO be leader if not enough crit rate in team), Astar, Raoq, Icaru/X. (Point of this team is to use cannon girl def break on waves, and inugami teamups with magic knights to clear waves. Lupinus can do nasty damage if built properly. I had a lot of success with her S3 on boss stage.) My mostly LD account (but not all): Misty (Light Jack O' Lantern -Leader), Lanett, Amarna, Shamann, Emily (Unawoken). Hopefully once I get better runes on it I can go Emily leader.

[@misbahul9044]

Found the team on reddit, really easy to rune up, also for the trick to manipulate how the monster that got stolen 1st in boss stage is the monster highest total atk power stat on your team, so its more plausible for astar than raoq, since raoq can team up with boss and reduce all his cd (including the stolen skill) Im doing 1.10-1.30 with leftover rune, going for 18-19k hp (except icaru) to actually sustain with shaman s1 on boss. The turn order is just like from the video and bare spd minimum is +160 to not get cut by mid boss and the golem. Pretty sure lot easier and more consistent than giant, also nb drop more rage for future use

[@lordrahl8845]

Awakened Abigail absolutely works! Idk why ppl think it doesn't. 1:11 is the fastest from the 10 runs I did. Back to giants I go.

[@FoXelinaa]

Because she got an IA rework, she tended to use her skill 3 whenever it was ready to use.

[@Andrew-pj2vo]

Having missed so many pick your LD3 events, not having Shamman just hurts that much more now...

[@SeanBGames]

Somehow this boss HP does not get super inflated like the other bosses so Max HP DMG is not too important here. Try the new Wind Homunculus with multi hit S1, S2-3 both Max HP DMG and im sure that will work too. Or Twins :D

[@justin-hanma]

How I feel about not having lynn

[@marijnlastname3132]

​@@justin-hanmato be fair, new wind homu makes Lyn less necessary

[@justin-hanma]

@@marijnlastname3132 I understand, but I have use for water homunculus is the thing thx for the positive feedback tho

[@latergator9622]

Light neostone fighter? He was recently (ish) hoh

[@aTurney03]

I used the light hommie, last skill has attack buff then 3 allies attack, instead of icaru. Also make sure shaman has 2nd skill fully skilled up.

[@WickedCitizen]

The Wind Homunculus with the upper half of skills provides some interesting necro options as well.

[@SeanBGames]

I tried and he is ok... Shamman damage is just stupid in this dungeon

[@curiousScientistAndEducator]

Is it possible to use vermos instead of shaman? Haven't got him yet that's why. Furthermore is Abigail still usable if she is awakened?

[@timzzzy5805]

Its not gonna work

[@TheGabriLima]

Hi, SeanB. I'd like to know if there is something like minimum stats each monster (abigail, shaman, raoq, icaru and astar) need to have. Because my rune quality is not as good as yours, and so I can't reproduce your stats.

[@CrizDig0]

I just use Twins, Dark Vampire and Shamman. Avg 1.34min and using units I already have built for other areas. Vampire (L), Water Twins, Shaina, Shamman.

[@benjaminmesserer2471]

2:24 I see a MAGIC rune on SeanB´s Speed Team?!

[@nojomi8826]

I saw that too lol, immediately cracked up ❤

[@dabossbabie3605]

Hey Sean, if you don't think astar provides value in the boss stage for the first team, then when the boss takes her maybe set the auto battle so that it ignores her and goes straight for the boss... that might save a few seconds?

[@Kalionyz]

astar taking turns against you also takes time

[@dabossbabie3605]

@@Kalionyz ah true

[@alexdean6100]

Have you considered Tarq as a team up/dmg option instead of Icaru? I feel like he gets overlooked nowadays since Tricaru but before Raoq Icaru it was Raoq Tarq. I still use double Tarq for SD clearing

[@stateyournameplease]

Like you said, loren is a good replacement for the cannon girl, but also the dark vampire lord :)

[@maddoggaming1171]

I’m a little sad. I got excited that the water cannon girl was good for Abyssal Dragon so I 6*ed her and awakened her, and she was my choice for the 4* skillups from the event. So I’ve fed all my dupe Cannon girls into her, and now that I feel she’s ready to go it turns out I shouldn’t have awakened her… :’(

[@seancrouse9623]

Don't worry. The rewards for these dungeons are shit anyway.

[@maddoggaming1171]

@@seancrouse9623 sad but true :(

[@Supreme-Sharma]

i did the same what do i do now ;(

[@maddoggaming1171]

@@Supreme-Sharma Good news for Lich dungeon is they just adjusted her AI so now she's more likely to do S1/S2 instead of S3, now she prioritizes S3 when the enemy has a buff I believe, so now it's not the end of the world if she's awakened, However I believe the change did make her slightly worse for Dragons because now she'll only want to S3 when he has immunity, which is nice but before she would use it on CD to reduce attack bar of the 2 towers. But oh well I found Lich to be harder than Dragon anyway so this change should work out nicely. :)

[@Supreme-Sharma]

@@maddoggaming1171 I just heard the news. Thanks for the extra information. I guess Abigal is now useable now. Which makes me happy I awakened her as my first 10th unit . :)

[@CarlosGonzalez-fd5ve]

with the new ia update is worth to aweken the cannon girl ?

[@Rblom88]

Whats a good replacement for Astar, stillt havent got her... Would be awesome if you could help out been trying to get a good speed NB 12 team for ages

[@majeszczak]

Farm something else it's not most important instance. If u haven't got hear means u still early game.

[@legabit]

Tried this team several times and without perfect runes it fails miserably :( After 2 hours trying different teams I just gave up and pray for a nerf to the dungeon.

[@SeanBGames]

Replace a unit with Fran, Xiong Fei, Light Homu with team up skill might help

[@legabit]

@@SeanBGames Going to try Fran. Thanks! I really wish they would let us build one of each element homunculus. At least with the buff to wind they realize how outdated they are so maybe there is hope!

[@NoName-du4iu]

Hello. Will Vio + revenge work for Loren?

[@KlaiveDruid]

What would be a substitute for Shaman. I dont have that one yet 😢

[@itsawildrk2360]

What if you use suiki to clear the trash waves? He has multihit for the team up and can self sustain. I find that clearing the trash waves fast is difficult because of reflct damage, in the boss phase as long as shamman can 1 hit the boss after tour entire team moves to break shield and defbreak then you should be fine.

[@noahmleonard9775]

Will the wind cannon girl work I had the water forever and woken it 😢

[@SomeRandomStranger1]

What about trying light homie with aoe pull build or aoe rev build?

[@saintboy93]

I have no idea how u get the twins to +10k hp while using rune 2,4,6 with atk % and crit dmg% mine only +5k

[@miltonguerrero4661]

thanks you sean b finally i can clear necro hard

[@Nearis0]

In second team I would swap shaman with lushen that go 1st and 1 shots waves between bosses and focus on boss insted of soul (lushen will be taken)

[@soulawaken24]

It feels like rage is the way to go for all these new Abyss dungeons. It's pretty much impossible to sub1min all 3 dungeons without godly rage sets. And the artifacts abyss dungeons would only be harder. Time to continue farming 40s NB10s until I can consistently get 1.15-1.20 Necro abyss hard in the video. Currently mine is averaging closer to 1.30, which I think maybe fast NB10s might be more worthwhile in terms of the rate of getting usable runes.

[@michaelstorms5197]

only on monsters based on enemy max HP, even then if you really dont have good rages, just use broken sets and try to get as high as possible. might still do the trick

[@soulawaken24]

@@michaelstorms5197 Yea definitely. But still not good enough to have any form of consistency in Abyss Hard runs (meaning 100% runs under 1.30). My best rage broken sets are NOWHERE close to 250% crit dmg 85% crit rate sadly. I think this is probably the case for over 80% of players. Most of us subconsciously prioritize speed too much as a substat when farming. So high CD/CR runes low speed are far less plentiful in our box compared to high speed runes. Crit rate, crit dmg and accuracy are actually equally important in the end game, even when it comes to pve. Just gonna keep grinding Necro to improve overall pve rune quality. Some decent will and nemesis runes won't hurt for pvp anyway.

[@eqsaz]

Damn, that's some sick crit damage on the griffin. I really need to put together a team to farm rage runes so I can do necropolis.

[@betrayedbaeuchiha175]

Any replacement for the water canon girl?

[@TheAce5399]

Is there a reason to not use a light cannon girl? I've saved a few just in case I needed her and I believe she has the same skill set? Also what about the Asuras? I feel like the fire or water one would work pretty well in the dungeon.

[@312Lawliet]

water has a better leader skill for this

[@TheAce5399]

@@312Lawliet It is 10% better, but isn't there an argument for less accuracy requirement and that you're going to be using mostly HP scaling damage against the boss? Yes there are the trash waves, but I think with the dogs and astar you don't really need the extra damage? I could be wrong on the accuracy part though.

[@aiwarz]

bagel did the asuras in necro, horrible outcome

[@IANimation]

I use shaina, raoq, icaru, astar, shaman (that already speed tune). 1:20 average

[@robymaru03]

Awaken water canon girl is pretty good on Special League but I had always make sure to have an unawaken one here just in case.

[@Max_W02]

Would my girl bella be a decent replacement for the water canon girl?

[@Ichiro361]

Sometimes, in the midstages, my astar moves before my cannon girl and my Raoq... any Idea why? I even speed tuned them far apart after it happened a couple of times... still happens with alot of speed difference... pls help

[@Vaynu]

You probably have a "+x% spd when hp is low" or similar artifact on astar that is causing this.

[@SERZHant199292]

Maybe you've found the answer yourself, but her passive spoils any speed tune. Happens to me also even with 40spd difference in case of low hp of astar

[@marianaleitedossantos4266]

Can i use driller in shamans place?

[@leocall7173]

You can awaken Abigail now, C2U fixed her ai so she doesn't use skill 3 at the boss anymore. I've been using this team with awk abigail and after 30 runs, haven't seen her use s3 once at the boss.

[@justinwilder8571]

You mentioned it would be better if astar died @ boss, have you tried any variations where you leave her imprisoned? Im wondering if the fastest teams will find a way to beat the boss with just the 4 units.

[@HorrizonLP]

I dint think so, then you get more chances to get silenced and need better survivability to avoid more dmg from her. Also he took my shaman as second should when I tired that

[@manuelsilveira2070]

what unity i can replace for shaman? i dont have :(

[@Mm-dn5gc]

my astar keeps dying to the waves for some reason. Same hp/def and a shield set

[@miltonguerrero4661]

make her vampire

[@JustAnotherGamerNL]

I only have a awakened water cannon girl. Can I still build this team?

[@toukiyomi]

If i put astar on vamp, it will be more safe ?

[@MarcusChenVB]

Can I use wind cannon girl instead?

[@syounen6114]

how about the light homunculus? she could help with the team up

[@SeanBGames]

yes but her AI is kinda dumb so its not faster but safer because she can help you to heal the team

[@wubba3019]

Im very happy ive got such a team already built

[@unknown963_.-5]

Is unawakened water cannon girl betyer than loren for this ? Ive got one but not sure if i wanna 6* her , if shes better then guess i should

[@HorrizonLP]

Yes, instantly pops shield and longer def break. Loren defbrak is super unreliable here if she's not in the team up

[@rifulabyss]

"average player" the most funny phrase used

[@maxmatten5449]

I just pulled dark cannon Girl where can i use her?

[@Warfund]

RTA

[@lonegamer59]

Unfortunately I only have the light version of Abigail, Emily would she still work?

[@SeanBGames]

Yes! Don't awaken her and she will be perfect too : )

[@lonegamer59]

@@SeanBGames dang looks like I'm gonna have to beg daddy com2us for a free Abigail 😭😭😭 cause Emily has been awoken since I got her months ago

[@HorrizonLP]

Nice team, just used the already built monsters and put random vio Rev on Abi and raoq, 1.20 without any struggle

[@rangefighter4038]

raoq not on pure damage coz if he does insane damage on boss and got captured he will melt your units

[@annihilist6609]

Would the unawoken light cannon girl work better?

[@SeanBGames]

they fix it so u can use the awakened abigail now too

[@chungyu246]

If you don’t got water cannon girl you could use unawakened cannon girl, the HoH unit

[@stumblingsage2262]

are there any teams that dont run shamann? dont ask me how but i have two ld 5s and like 9 ld 4s with no shamann. i also some how have pulled almost every 3 star aside from him, thrain, and gina. all together i think im missing 10 from light and dark combined.

[@SeanBGames]

Kro but obviously not as good

[@Paul-ql3qw]

Mine is Abigail (L) water twins shaman and fire chasun (she has highest attack so she gets stolen first)

[@fudddetector7708]

Didn’t work for me. Built everything like you showed. Everyone was dead before the boss lost a quarter of his hit points. My towers are all fully leveled, my runes aren’t the best but they work. It’s probably my account. Still can’t beat toah or the abyss levels.

[@talmendelson3998]

Feels like rune quality issue, also on my account I use Vamp set on Astar and she never ever dies which helps

[@nicolobolognesi128]

Fire nine tail fox Is also good for this dungeon with inugani

[@Paladin_Zero]

Wait is necro abyss out?

[@chrisdebruin4459]

canon girl fire/water/dark icaru and fran

[@travisestes6217]

Best sub for Astar?

[@rangefighter4038]

why not use vamp lord? lead skill is 33 atk% also. build it on ally atk

[@OkamiRyu92]

why not use light cannon girl?

[@tardis4125]

I thought, oh great my cannon girl is awakened, I popped some scrolls and got another one. Still have to 2a shaman though

[@StoteFarus]

Ive seen a lot of people running full twins + fran all 5 with vio + revenge runes

[@christopherfiore6820]

Fran Loren Shaaman Astar Roak. And yes, I now hate this dungeon and really seeing the Com2us devs in an even uglier light.

[@noahmleonard9775]

What about the wind or water asura

[@hongqichin]

can try shaina instead of the cannon girl it still works p decently

[@martinmah5767]

My Team (best 43s) Water cannon girl, shaina, sabrina, raoq shaman boss takes raog

[@oodanna500]

last time com2us saw us using an unawakened monster to better effect than an awakened one(gina), they buffed wind kung fu girl for steel fortress. maybe we'll see the same thing here

[@ElazulJS]

Yeah same thing with verd s2 where u need to avoid maxing it coz he will only hit once. They made it hit twice

[@ArthurLodar]

Sabrina's hp as 10101 is just perfect

[@alexanderpohl4836]

i awakened the canon girl a day before the update because of siege def i had to build rip

[@josuenegron1729]

Idk wtf happened to their auto ai, when I stopped playing like 7 years ago it felt like monsters would use their skills whenever they had them available, prioritizing their last skill as much as possible, wtf happened that made them NOT use their skills at all like that?? Crazy how an unawakened monster is better than the awakened version due to technicalities and not stats ☹️

[@jamesfairley2887]

Worth devilmoning water cannon girl?

[@HorrizonLP]

So second is maxed yey

[@lanimort]

@genesisprime has an insane team hidden tech for a 35 sec team he made a vid abt it this morning

[@lanimort]

it uses light robo suiciding itself on the team

[@HorrizonLP]

Ha I got the unawakened cannon girl in my storage 5* since like 2 or 3 years

[@So0Ound]

13:23 hahahahaha i cant

[@Tim_Tam]

no shamann, sad :( will just keep farming dragons until i get one

[@Johanpel]

2:24 magic green runes omg lol

[@sheamertv945]

imagine someone have shaman and can use him, all my LD scrolls, 5 years... and still dont have all nat3, all my nat4 are in HoH and nat5 is unreal dream xd

[@TriggerTreatz]

I awakened my cannon girl before watching this is that still a problem lol

[@machowie3412]

Loren popping up out of nowhere. Lmao 😂

[@Michael-ky8xg]

After I did it, I knew I made a mistake awakening the cannon girl

[@akhmadsuryaferdiansyah9140]

My tricaru is now officially not worth building now :'(

[@elpandaddy9391]

i hate this game so much yet i keep playing, i have almost identical stats to what he was just showing and my runs fail all the damn time and almost all my towers are maxed out. like i dont get it like wtf

[@Warfund]

AI Issue

[@TomTom-ip8zl]

you dont need cannon girl unawakened anymore they fixed her ai

[@herokiller621]

2:23 hold on a minute A MAGIC RUNE?!?!??! we knew you dont farm but using a magic rune is just a whole new low...

[@rushakgaming9732]

I use Lisa cd build

[@leomega1321]

mmm,interesting, ,but sadly, no shaman T_T how dare u sean

[@ChoweyChoo]

Am I fcked if I awakened the water cannon girl? :((

[@pallorandcyanism]

When seanB said “only 200 CD not even that good” i became sad

[@lucasl4433]

What about Danu

[@Ddfgffg33]

2 veladjuel 2 Ariel and 1 eladuel my team will never die for b12 and it will never end on b12

[@velmou8491]

I have awaken my abigail for special league...yes

[@dub-dy7uo]

and here i am. awakening water cannon girl because of the suggested deck in game is awakened.

[@SeanBGames]

they have fixed her AI and she is still good after being awakened

[@aniimey]

Poor canon girl i literally awaken her yesterday 😂

[@SethEDITZ.]

Just use water vamp for def breaker

[@teddiers3863]

Anyone else think of trash taste and the boys when you hear that bgm?

[@tardis4125]

Wtf I can't even do it on normal!

[@Charles-xk7jc]

oh crap. i already awaken the water cannon girl.

[@SeanBGames]

they fixed her AI its ok to awaken her