Is This The Biggest Plot Hole In God Of War?

[@TBP]

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[@8butsideways295]

I did not get a notification for this only here cause of the community post

[@Dookieman1975]

I think this vid can be explained by, although ares isn’t a complete dumbass, he doesn’t think ahead (much like many of the other gods) But other plot holes that make less sense are Why does kratos still worship Ares after he kidnaps Deimos How did he bring the blades of chaos to Scandinavia when it should be the blades of exile Why did Hephaestus make him nemesis whips when his last ditch effort to stop him could fail

[@DJosAmmel]

A big piece of the puzzle you didn't address and might be missing is that it isn't in the character of Ares to hide his actions. He's supremely arrogant, but not he's not conniving like Zues. He "tricked" Kratos into revealing the truth, so why wouldn't he take credit for that?

[@raptorimperium5757]

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[@kharijordan6426]

@@DJosAmmel Isn't it because in all of the gods against they like to spend stories to their favor? Being honest about being an ass hole doesn't seem like any of them really. Everyone sees them as good for some reason or another. How many people in that universe knows of the gods exploits and how many worshiping them out of fear.

[@legoworksstudios1]

I've heard an argument that Ares in Greek mythology famously lacks foresight. Hephaestus crafts his armor and yet Ares banged Hephaestus' wife Aphrodite. Actually, most of the gods (specifically the Olympians) have almost no forward thinking.

[@TBP]

I thought you were about to say "Actually, most of the Gods banged Aphrodite" and I made myself chuckle. To be fair, that's probably not untrue.

[@alibarznji2000]

@@TBP me too 😂😂😂😂

[@Poussyeater-w5e]

@@TBP yeeesh😬RIP to my man Hephaestus

[@Eric6761]

You are correct, heck Ares was trapped in a jar and did some lackluster battle tactic

[@elmaster48]

@@TBP well, to be fair most of the gods would love to bang Aphrodite. In fact, there is a story in the myths where Ares went to do just that, Hephaestus caught them in the act and used a web to trap Ares and Aphrodite and brought them to the other gods. Instead of punishing Ares they laughed at the expense of Hephaestus and some of them said that they would love to be in Ares place.

[@TheGary108]

It did get explained in the events of Ascension that Kratos was Oathbound to be incapable of rebelling against Ares, and the Furies themselves imprisoned many people, not to mention several monsters for breaking their oaths. Ares wanted the ultimate warrior, and even Kratos admitted Ares succeeded in that endeavor. The mistake Ares made was that he assumed that Kratos would be still be loyal to him afterwards, when in reality, by making him the Ultimate Warrior he turned Kratos against anything that even remotely resembles Ares. It wasn’t until God of War 4, that Kratos finally let go of his guilt and became a new man.

[@harrisonhurst6480]

That and Ares wanted to Take Zeus' throne and kill him, and thought he could use Kratos to give him that. It.... Kinda worked...

[@johnleonard9102]

Kratos let go of his guilt at the end of God of War 3.

[@ThatGuy-ky2yf]

People underrated Ascension. I'm very glad to have played the game so far. Some great combat in it.

[@GVGINU]

I would say that Ares revealing himself was definitely more arrogance than anything else. He likely did think of Kratos as being a mortal version of himself, but he also didn't give thought to what Kratos would even attempt to do or how he would react. And even when Kratos turned on him, he didn't see Kratos as a viable threat until much later on in the story of the first game.

[@newhybrid101]

Kratos was ZERO threat until he opened the box and gained the godly power he would have if he wasnt a demigod. Sorry Kratos was never almighty,GoW3 started this myth. For a long time Kratos was an ant compared to the gods. Its hard to accept at this point,but i like rubbing hard to swallow truths in peoples faces soooo .... Kratos was just a demigod back then. "Why is Hercules so strong as just a demigod" Canonically breastfeeding from Hera gave him godlike strength. Demigods can reach the level of Full Gods through magical amps that unlock their potential etc. And yes,even as of GoW4 Cory Barlog RECENTLY reconfirmed Kratos is a demigod and not a pure god which is why he is still has that rage in him(his words not mine),he has simply gotten stronger over his adventures as any protagonist does Peoples headcanons are irrelevant here

[@Alex_Barbosa]

@@newhybrid101 God or Demigod really doesn't matter when you rip off a true Gods head

[@GVGINU]

@@newhybrid101 So...just curious, but what about "he didn't see Kratos as a viable threat until much later on in the story of the first game" was proven to be incorrect by literally anything that you said? You said you like to "rub hard to swallow truths" in people's faces...but literally none of what you said went against my comment. Were you bored or something? I would think that if you were attempting to debunk someone, it wouldn't be the comment that pretty much aligns with everything that you stated. Just go back over your essay and compare it to what I said and see if those things misalign.

[@Fucklifedeadshit]

@@newhybrid101 you have problems man

[@marcoelmago9211]

@@MGrey-qb5xz he still couldnt hope to beat Ares without opening the box and taking the power of hope from it either

[@KaptainKuba]

Love you videos man! About the mystery of how lysandra and Calliope got the village, you're right. It's not explained in game nor novel. However, I believe the mystery is addressed in GOW Ascension. During the ending, Tisiphone randomly shapeshifts into the Village Oracle from GOW 1. I believe this implies that the Oracle was Tisiphone working with Ares all along. And she somehow tricked Kratos' family into taking that trip. This is only a theory, SMS has never confirmed it.

[@My6119]

A good theory. I approve, Boi.

[@solracstormhunter3023]

I have to object to this theory, because the Oracle also cursed Kratos to wear the Ashes of his family, something the Furies have no need or use for. Cursed to wearing his family's ashes works better as a reminder for the people of his horrible acts, when it comes from a victim rather than the instigators.

[@ShatteredGlass916]

@@solracstormhunter3023 actually having Kratos cursed with the haunting memories can be read as a safe-fail mechanism in case of Kratos rebelled against the Furies, and by extention the Gods of Olympus. It's a deterrent mechanism that'll at least weaken Kratos's mind, which can be used by Ares, and the gods, to 'manipulates' him. Which is why it's only activated after Kartos fully severed his bonds with the Furies, right after Orkos's death.

[@theoreticalexistence9630]

@@solracstormhunter3023 Same effect if everybody believes the instigator is the victim, including the person being cursed.

[@spear8403]

I don't agree because why would the fury bind his family's ashes to his skin and shame kratos instead of encouraging him if she worked for ares. I think the oracle was sent by Athena since it was Athena's village and she had a crest of olympus. something Ares is less likely to have compared to athena

[@irreliventable]

As I remember no mortal has ever been able to take any kind of action against the gods before Kratos. Ares would be as concerned about Kratos coming after him as a character in a video game somehow coming after us in the real world.

[@noahschlogl4739]

A mini Kratos braking out of the tv screen and attacking me is a horrifying thought

[@theelementalstation947]

@@noahschlogl4739 Yeah, don’t want to end like Cronos 😰

[@NiCoNiCoNiCola]

​@@noahschlogl4739"BOB! IS THIS HOW YOU FACE ME? STOP HIDING LIKE A COWARD!" Cut to Bob's pet cat eating PS2 era Kratos alive

[@The_Reaper_Ren]

To be fair, when Ares had taken credit for getting Kratos's family killed the Ghost of Sparta was still a mortal man. An absurdly powerful mortal man, but until he found Pandora's Box Kratos posed no threat to a god. I don't think Ares was a master manipulator but I think that he wanted to break Kratos and turn him into a mindless killing machine, the type that would take his grief out on the world but instead Kratos took it out on Ares himself.

[@Scalesthelizardwizard]

Mythology wise Ares always represented the bloodshed of war and Athena represented the strategy of war

[@jayplays9976]

Brilliant observation. But dude, I noticed this the first time I played the game when I was 15. God of War 3 even went deeper to show his wife and daughter's confusion at suddenly appearing at Athena's temple. They made it very clear that his wife and child were put there by Area for Kratos' to kill.

[@anthonynorman7545]

Yeah, and I was like 10...impressive really that he missed the detail for so long.

[@tvdvd8661]

Ikr I was a little kid and noticed this. How did he miss it when he likes it so much lol

[@picassojulien899]

@@anthonynorman7545 yea 😭 like how u just realize this

[@shorddy1668]

Same except I was like 5.

[@Fucklifedeadshit]

I scribbled the scene in crayon like a horror movie when I was 3 and it was 15 years before the game came out.

[@ssjduncan7682]

Areas: "I was trying... to make the perfect warrior!" Kratos:"so you thought killing my wife and child announcing that act in front of me, and possibly giving me nightmares of that day for the rest of my life and me getting the ashes of my wife and daughter to remind me of that act everyday,along with making me work for you for years would make me a perfect warrior? Well you were right... *Stabs Areas

[@ВладиславБулаев-л3э]

*Verbose Kratos be like:*

[@James-May]

Ahh yes, Areas, the God of Squared Kilometers

[@mat7083]

@@James-May He squared your kilometer

[@gergopiroska5749]

​@@James-Mayive been laughing at this comment for like 10 minutes straight

[@ryzekiv7147]

“Kratos has Crawled out of Hades so many times he’s probably going to get a free Sunday” I don’t know why but this line reminded me of the sailor whom Kratos keeps killing. I also don’t know why, but now I really hope to see him in GoW: Ragnarok as a reincarnation of himself. Fisherman: “hail traveler! How may I- 😨wait, you look familiar…😱oh gods no! Please! Take the boat, just leave me be!”

[@216kingjoker]

That would be a hilarious Easter egg lol

[@freetoplayking7362]

or he could be that one sailor from Norse myth that sailed away before Thor could get to him, causing him to be unable to cross the river (in which they trash-talked each other till the sailor pointed out that he could just walk around the river), he could be so dead inside from that experience that only recognising Kratos gives him fear, to the point that when Thor learns of this, Thor would be like: "I will give you the most painful death imaginable for assisting that man", and the sailor would be like "Buddy, any pain you could do, the guy who killed your kids did me ten times worse"

[@flying-magpie]

He is referenced in Kratos's journal Ragnarok

[@NoeloCard]

That's it. Even in the novel Ares is depicted as an insane god and the "personification" of war itself and not some master manipulator.

[@subjectdelta17]

For Ares motive about killing off Kratos's family, a god killing a god was pretty much unheard of at that time, so the possibility of a mortal, or even a demigod like Kratos to kill him in retaliation was probably laughable to him. The worst thing in Ares mind that could come from killing Kratos's family was that he would just lose kratos as a servant. So it wasn't stupidity, more like arrogance, which was definitely not in short supply with the greek gods

[@MMarcellG]

for the ending, I read an article YEARS ago stating that the story originally planned was different from what we ended up getting. ONLY going on memory; the next game was to feature him playing a role in future wars causing beef with the other Gods. - We did however end up getting a version of this.

[@kyriss12]

I remember one of the unlockable cutscenes for the first game was a flash forward to the modern military uncovering the ruined of pandoras temple strapped to the back of Cronus’ skeleton. How cool would that have been to replay the the ruined of the first game from the perspective of a more human, but better equipped soldier, possibly even a distant descendant of Kratos himself

[@MilestheDirtyMindedGoblin2099]

@@kyriss12that could be interesting

[@pappymagee6556]

GoW Ascension’s ending reveals that the Furies and Ares were behind his family being in that village. Tisiphone is the one who reveals it right before he kills her.

[@TheKing-qz9wd]

Y'know I never thought there was a plot hole since it seemed perfectly reasonably that Ares just brought them Caliope and Lisandra to that temple. Across all the titles we know for certain that Caliope didn't know where she was or why there was fighting, Lisandra reassuring herself and her daughter that Kratos would come to protect them. We also see that Ares has a giant list of powers as the god of war, like him making that pocket dimension or the telekinesis or the fire. We know the gods can teleport and teleport other things or people sometimes. The narrator and everything suggested to me that; )Ares told Kratos to burn the village down. )While Kratos is already in a fighting mood, he took Caliope and Lisandra and put them right out in the open in a cage/temple so they couldn't escape. )Kratos ignored his instincts because being a coward is bad. )Ares makes a very angry man. I saw no reason to question this summary.

[@lindralyndra]

Ares' logic always made perfect sense to me because he's a perfect depiction of the kind of abuser that isolates a person and marinates them in service to the abuser. They always want you to know what they've done to you IF that is what hurts you the most and traps you with them the most. Ares tried to marinate Kratos into choicelessness, into loyalty to none other, but miscalculated. I think the crucial miscalculation here is something that is very easy to overlook - Kratos wasn't a lone wolf at this point; he knew what it was to demand unquestioning loyalty and servitude, and HIS version of it would never demand that they kill their families for him. He HAD it and knew it. It wasn't zero-sum. He WASN'T actually isolated in the way that he would have had to be for Ares' abuse to get its endgame. I think if Kratos was a sole actor, some kind of assassin or whatever without prior experience with what it's like to hold loyalty and give it, then it would have worked and truly isolated him. But Ares himself didn't grasp that inculcated-trained-beaten-in Spartan military context because Ares himself was all about the zero-sum ideal of loyalty and had never been part of any, like, cohesive collective that dedicated itself above individual motivations.

[@jihgfdd6688]

I have a theory that everything is the machinations of Athena. I believe that she placed kratos's family in her temple, she lead him throughout his journeys, she took his brother, she got stabbed by the blade of Olympus to ascend. She always been there in an important or tragic points of his life. It all leads to her

[@TBP]

That's actually the premise of an upcoming video

[@MegaDrain]

I like how Ares handles his death too. Compared to other gods in the rest of the greek series, they plead for their life or try and trick Kratos. Ares simply explains his reason for what he did before his death, but still takes it like a warrior.

[@abdulazimnaushad]

Nah he pleaded for his life and tried to remind Kratos of how he once saved his life, he really was trying to get Kratos to spare him. He made the mistake of justifying his actions.

[@callmev3531]

8:41, Ares’ lack of realizing how his actions would destroy Kratos’ loyalty to him also suggests just how differently Olympians, especially ones as malevolent as Ares, view relationships compared to mortals. Coming from the kind of dysfunctional family Ares was raised in and his nature disposition as a bloodthirsty Olympian that mainly values strength and power, someone like Ares likely wouldn’t be able to fully process what it would mean to Kratos if he lost his family, seeing him only as a warrior held back from true glory and greatness by useless attachments. It’s this fundamental lack of understanding between the perspectives of Olympians and mortals that leads to much of the conflict in their world and one of the main reasons Kratos comes to resent and distrust every god he meets from then on. It’s no wonder that some of the major conflicts of this story is revolve around Kratos becoming a rampaging, bloodthirsty Olympian just like Ares, the very thing he hates so passionately, and later on attempts to prevent his own son from seeing his godly lineage as an excuse to indulge himself in unnecessary violence that would potentially cost him in the future, in essence Kratos losing and trying to regain the humanity he lost in his path of becoming the God Of War.

[@davidpotts7116]

My personal theory - Ares did it as a show of power over Kratos to make him more subservient. He thought of Lissandra and Calliope as a threat, that they may eventually take away his perfect soldier, so in a cruel twist of fate Ares had Kratos kill them. Not because he was too stupid to see the consequence of Kratos rebelling, but because he was so certain that this would break Kratos’ mind and make him submit. Ares for all the fire in his mane was a cold, distant, and selfish god who cared only that he was the most powerful. So, like all other similar villains who suspect their subordinate may betray them, chose to show his might in the cruelest and most gruesome way possible.

[@daviddimitrov3696]

To be fair. Kratos blames Aries mostly dew to greaf and then the whole rest of the series blames himself.

[@ak-jxrdy-7]

Your spelling is somewhat wholesome, lmao.

[@Arvandor81]

Kratos being truly the one to blame for his family's death is not a plot hole or flaw. It is the whole point. He blames Ares, not because Ares is responsible, but because Kratos is simply unable to accept his own culpability and needs someone besides himself to blame, so turns his rage on Ares and the entire pantheon.

[@vklasb4847]

Ares is responsible. Kratos was just doing his job. You can’t blame someone for doing their job and then paying for it.

[@shade08538]

@@vklasb4847 Doesn’t mean he didn’t do it

[@themoongateofficial]

@@shade08538 indirectly responsible would be a good term for ares

[@respha9925]

@@vklasb4847 is it really though? he was following orders but he didnt even recognize his own daughter and wife because he was so bloodthirsty.

[@anna-flora999]

@@themoongateofficial literally kidnapping and placing them in a place he knew kratos would raid and be so into the heat of battle as to only notice top late what was happening is a bit more than "indirect"

[@monkeymaniac8269]

Honestly it doesn’t surprise me that Ares would be that disconnected with reality, especially considering the points you already made. Because unfortunately there have been some people I’ve met that make Ares seem like an awoken Buddha compared to their world views

[@meldrickedwards1892]

Sure.

[@GanonGhidorah]

I actually had a theory not too long ago. It was based on the visions Kratos has after Zeus killed him in God of War II. The moment he sees his own reflection in Lysandra and Calliope's blood, we also see a statue of Athena come into view. Now this could just be creative license, as this is the point where Gaia starts influencing Kratos' visions, but I took it as a clue... The potential plot twist is, all of the other Gods know about the prophesy of the marked warrior - especially Athena. So they probably knew what Ares' end-goal was in regards to Kratos. And Kratos was on such a blood-fueled rampage that it would take something jarring to snap him out of it and break his ties to Ares... So my initial theory was, what if Athena really was the one who moved Lysandra and Calliope there and _framed Ares_ for it? This would not only work in turning Kratos against Ares, but also leave him desperate enough to seek help from the other Olympian Gods. Thus turning Ares' attack dog into one of their own. It was just a theory and probably doesn't hold weight considering the rest of the franchise. But it was a nice "what if" scenario. Even still, a lot of other things point to Ares being the guilty culprit; some in hindsight, others not. For example; Kratos' story is pretty much a darker parallel to Hercules. One night, Hera cursed Hercules with madness, where he only saw enemies surrounding him. In his rampage, he killed his own wife and children; and when he came to, he sought forgiveness for this crime by going to his cousin, who set him on the 12 Labors. Kratos is the same - Ares gives Kratos great power via the Blades of Chaos, and from that power, Kratos basically goes mad with blood-lust and is set to an unstoppable rampage. And much like Hercules, his wife and daughter were left in his way. So, Kratos' power drove him mad, and who gave him that power? It all comes back to Ares. And then of course, the prequel games try to further cement reasons as to why Ares was responsible. God of War Ascension revealed that Ares was in-league with the Furies. And as the Oathkeepers of the Greek World, they would be the ones to ensure that Kratos honored his vow to Ares for saving his life. The ritual that would forever bind Kratos to Ares involved the blood of the enemy - the Barbarian King; the blood of the innocent - the countless people Kratos killed in Ares' name; and finally, the blood of _kin_ - his wife and child. It is then that Kratos' bond to Ares is complete, and it is only until all of the Furies, including Orkos are dead, that Kratos is freed. So in hindsight, perhaps Ares' arrogant decision to reveal his involvement to Kratos, was him overconfident in his position that his control over Kratos had been secured, thanks to the Furies' magic. They would never have suspected that Kratos was not only strong enough to resist, but that Orkos - their own son - would betray them for Kratos. But the needs must when all of reality is on the line.

[@andrewjones9690]

only thing's I would add to this, Athena stopped Ares from killing kratos as a child, so she could manipulate events later and he could play his part in stopping Ares, secondly is Athena's Spirit form when her physical form dies has a green hue, and Zues had a dark spirit form also, that leads me to think that when pandora's box was opened, Greed infected Athena, as fear infected Zues, that being why she asked for her power of hope back from Kratos, if it was in fact hers to begin with. since "man kind is cleansed and is ready to hear my message" . however she phrased it. so there is some stock in the theory to suggest she played both sides, banking on kratos giving her the power so she could be the 1 and only all powerful goddess.

[@christopherbrown6523]

It's pretty much all but stated that Ares moved his family to the temple to be slaughtered, and it's also implied that he clouded Kratos' mind with a blood lust so he couldn't understand what he was doing. Also since Kratos is still alive it's possible the ending of the first God of War is still right and he'll witness the wars he saw in his visions.

[@traviseller8160]

Telling someone to "get bent" while they have a gun to your head doesn't sound to smart. At least to me.

[@VincentVincent_89]

In God of War Ragnorak Kratos himself said that Ares transported his family to the village fully knowing kratos would slaughter them

[@EhrisaiaOShannon]

Ares is still one of the COOLEST looking villains in all of friggin media. His look is iconic. 💜

[@jakewulgar]

And hes voiced by the legendary Steve Blum.

[@DanialTarki]

The biggest plothole/continuity issue/contrivance in the God Of War is the Sister Of Fates not being able to stop Kratos despite Lahkesis literally saying something along the lines of “It is we who let you come this far”, and yet Kratos not only defies them. Like, I get that Kratos can resist fate manipulation to some extent, but the Fates are idiots for trying even less than the Spider-Society stopping Miles Morales.

[@MelancholicBodhisattva]

I guess for me it was always kind of obvious that it was Ares' fault. He proudly takes credit for it, Kratos outright says they should've been in Sparta and, frankly, wouldn't have any reason to even consider they'd be in some random temple. Itd be like going on a roadtrip to some random town and you just so happen run into your sibling at a diner, even though they were at home when you left and never really travel at all, nor discussed they'd be going to that town at all with you. And then the person who set up your trip tells you they arranged it for them to get there too. I have a pretty good idea who's responsible for that set up then, you know?

[@lawsharland7278]

Still find it kinda funny how despite Are's molding Kratos as his protege Athena kinda got the last laugh by outliving both Ares and the other gods

[@bearieroblox6451]

Ares also probably never expected a mortal could kill him, also it wasn’t just his wife and child the gods had to get rid of his brother and mother.

[@MasterMind-xr2qr]

Love your characterisation of ares and kratos relationship, it's deep.

[@Manjawline]

It would've been cool if GOW 2018 made references and call backs to Kratos' previous family and his brother Deimos

[@VitorHugoOliveiraSousa]

I think they are leaving this to Ragnarok. Atreus will discover that he killed his previous family and it will cause some short of fallout between the two. Leading to Atreus fully transformation on the controversial Loki figure from the mythology.

[@nota444tm2]

Well ya got your wish for ragnarok

[@AmyraCarter]

Kratos was already tempestuous, Ares just gave Kratos more reason to become fully unhinged.

[@crewie94]

By "the narrator" do you mean "That bitch Gaiaaaaaa!!!!!!" Love the videos and your delivery man. Thanks for another one.

[@redpoint6870]

12:17 If Ares had not done what he did, then the part of the fight where you see them "die again" would have been The First time you see them die. That part was supposed to "break his spirit" after all. Ares succeded, Kratos knows it very well.

[@balanc-joy9187]

0:50 Tactical, the first thing, regarding the sequel hook differing from what was stated, is because they had _massively_ different ideas for a sequel at the time, which they tease in the bonus movies such as "Birth of a Beast" and "Fate of a Titan". Also, I think you underestimate the importance of narration, but that might be just me. I'd say you nailed it with why Ares' reason for being so direct (though the mythological Ares was a coward and an idiot, so you could say some of those traits might have been present in the GOW Ares. Also, _Ascension_ gives a bit more depth to Ares and his plan, despite him not appearing on-screen, and with that game in mind, he had enforcers to try and _make_ or manipulate Kratos into serving him when he did try to stop serving him, and had the blood oath to enforce his hold on Kratos, though in that case he also severely understimated Kratos' determination, and also the good heart and competence of his son Orkos, so Ares seems to just not know how to people overall) that he is just so lacking in empathy and compassion he didn't understand what losing his family would really mean to Kratos. I wasn't surprised by it, both because I started with the second game back when that came out and I didn't know about the first one, but also because I've seen this trope before. Villains often rant about virtues and love are weaknesses that "hold people back from greatness and strength" so Ares doing this fits with how at least some villains I'd already had seen would try to "improve" their mightiest servant, had they been the ones behind Kratos. Lastly, I'm just happy you figured it out at all, and if you missed the line from Kratos, then you missed it, it happens. It doesn't make you dumb, just fallible, and everybody is. A lot of people probably caught it, and a lot of people probably missed it, and all those different people probably did other mistakes, we're human, screwing things up is what we do best!

[@ToonGrin]

Honestly I am a bit surprised the writing never revealed Athena intentionally moved Kratos family to be killed by him and then pinned it all on area. As she is a master strategist it'd a bit surprising she didn't come to the conclusion that since the gods use mortals as proxies and Ares is causing so much tumult in Olympus that her strategic mind figured if they can turn Ares hand on earth against him it'd be the best (and most indirect) chance to kill him and remove him. It'd been good set up too then have Kratos learn that down the line and Athena justifies it as a means of the "greater good" as Kratos was just purging across Greece and Ares would inevitable led to discourse in Olympus so the idea was to stop him but indirectly. Kratos in tern not only takes up the same actions as Ares but he is worse then Ares ever was. Sort of show the fallacy of the gods in that they think they are smarter than they are. That they don't see the forest beyond the trees.

[@justing7490]

I gave the kratos flashback a pass because he was consumed by bloodlust because of the Chains of Chaos. He went from the best killer to a killing machine because of the chains.

[@lm4585]

Aries sent Kratos to that village and placed his family in that hut so he would kill them. Aries thought Kratos would have to serve him because he made the bond which he was able to break in GOW Ascension.

[@aaronhunter6268]

My biggest gripe with god of war is small but in Chains of Olympus Kratos is the one who forces Atlas to hold the world however in GOW 1 Pandoras temple already has a Statue of Atlas holding the world meaning the temple must have been bulit after Kratos chained Atlas. However , by GOW 1 Pandoras temple is already legendary and mythic

[@-BWS-]

True. Though I suppose they could rationalize that due to the amount of art in the games meant to display future events (prophecies) like art we see in the entire trilogy throughout, it could just be the prophecy of Atlas holding the world.

[@garrettsattem4799]

Maybe it’s a live service temple.

[@foreignroninl1555]

13:07 You say that and I imagine Kratos eating a strawberry swirl sundae.

[@CaptainPilipinas]

the 'rubicon'.... (05:05). well definitely Not on Mars for that-

[@LoneStoneMaalik]

The term God Complex exists for a reason. The way they justify their fucked up actions is insane.

[@aelius3805]

"And Zeus was being a douche". So just Greek mythology?

[@nahte123456]

I believe it was in the cutscene where Kratos gets the Blades that he was filled with Ares' anger, which I always read as Kratos could resist but chose to let Ares control him until his families corpses knocked him out of it. It was still his hands, his choice to obey, but still Ares hand guiding him.

[@Sunaki1000]

I saw it always as two things. A Flaw of Kratos, yes Ares aranged it, but Kratos was the main Culprit regardless. But he blamed the God before himselfe, and this shows his immaturity and innability to accept his own Mistake. And I firmly belife Kratos was never as interested in Revenge as he was in salvation. If you think about it, he never expressed any interest in killing Ares by Words alone. Given his Personality, it was certainly on the Tablet, but his main Objective was salvation, so in total, he looses in the first Game. 11:00 Ares is a God after all, he cant die, so he thought. What would a mortal do to him? And until 10 long Years later he was right. Also I just realized, in every of the first three Games a God of war died. First Ares in 1, then Kratos and Athena in 2, and then Kratos "for good" in 3. Cool.

[@HeavyRaiden]

In a way, Ares actually won, he created a monster war machine, the perfect warrior that eventually destroyed the whole Olympus.

[@ajohnymous5699]

My theory on this is that Ares went to an oracle, asked about how to take down Olympus and the Oracle told him "seek out Kratos, give him thy blessing. Once you sever his ties to mortality, you will have made the greatest warrior and the God of War will topple the Olympians." Which, given his actions and demeanor, I'd say yeah. Would explain a few things and is true to Greek mythology. One Oracle stated if a king led his army through a river against a rival nation then a great kingdom will fall. The king's, for he did not consider if it was his kingdom that would fall or not. As Ares knew he was the god of war, it would make sense for him to think 'i mean, it's either me or Athena and I'm making the perfect warrior. Shit seems stacked in my favor!!"

[@bupemofyalongwanikunda3772]

I've always been thinking that Athena was the mastermind behind the God of War trilogy

[@micshork]

Near the end of God of War Ascension one of the furies mentioned “They were not there by chance” meaning they were probably out there by Ares.

[@TheQuatum]

It's Kratos's fault for being bloodthirsty, but Ares knew he would be and used the situation for his own goals. Kratos was warned but chose not to listen so they're both at fault, Kratos more than Ares though.

[@vklasb4847]

Being bloodthirsty? Yes. Doing his job? No

[@ВладиславБулаев-л3э]

I mean... He made an oath. He did his part. But nowhere was it said (it's not a goddamn 21th century written contract) that his family must die in process. Ares gives Kratos power to eliminate his foes and Kratos gives Ares loyal servitude, WHICH HE DOES. And we don't even know for how long he served him. It's Ares' ambition and arrogance, which woke up the true monster in Kratos.

[@drooom2925]

I have to say I actually really liked the video, I always did wonder why Ares openly said it was him but the idea that he was jusy an hesd strong arrogant God who didn't understand human compassion seems like a genuinely interesting answer for the generally undervalued story of the first game. I really would love to hear more takes like this in the future. Have any topics like this you'd want to discuss about the future games?

[@BrennySpain]

The never ending saga of god of war on this channel! Long may it live…

[@sethlongoria7526]

I actually really love how in the novel it shows that Zeus, while willing to forgive Kratos for his sin is still unwilling to fully absolve him of the crime of kinslaying. Especially considering the punishment given to the king Tantalus when he killed his son and tried to feed him to the gods. Don't know if it was done on purpose but if it was that's just really good characterization based on actual Greek tales!

[@krod4278]

"bitch please" Kratos, 2005

[@lokan_kuru8721]

Wait, he gets a free sundae next time he crawls out of hell, is that a tfs reference, I remember hearing that in one episode

[@TBP]

"Next time I get a free Sundae"

[@v.m.9198]

Small brain: Kratos will be back... Big brain: Kratos will be back...in MODERN DAY

[@simonfarre4907]

Ares tricked Kratos to pillage and burn that town to the ground, its implied heavily that Ares controls the woman in front of the building and possibly hides his wife and child's identity from him.

[@julianfonseca569]

Nice vid bro, just a key suggestion. Check out God of War Ascension. It explains more in depth exactly why Ares did what he did. TLDR for the game: Ares made Kratos kill his family as a form of a ritual he and the furies called “The Ultimate Sacrifice.” In which Kratos had to kill his kin in one of the challenges. This also explains why Kratos simply has some form of plot armor and to be so effective at exterminating Pantheons. Quite literally, he was built for it. Other than that, bro good analysis! Keep it up

[@lefteron6804]

Perhaps he was concerned that unless Kratos channelled his grief with rage, it would have the opposite effect of what he wanted. It's very likely that had Kratos no one to blame but himself he would have either hang up his blades and go into exile, or have a voluntary trip down river Stix. This however still doesn't explain why he chose to take the blame, rather than place it on someone else. Maybe he was trying to pull a Vinland saga.

[@Mandalore_ultimate]

"I am what the Gods made me"

[@chickendrawsdogs3343]

Ares popping up next to Kratos like a freaking comic book talking head will never cease to make me laugh. 🤣

[@angellara7040]

2:40 the problem is on you. Spartans did attack temples of Athena a lot, this constant civil war lead to them getting rolled on by the Persians, the part that is the manipulation is that his family has zero reason to be in what should be a heretical temple from their point of view

[@lucaspatricio3307]

Free Will as a concept Is not something that exists in Greek Mythology. Everything we mortals do Is something ordained by the Gods. So thats why Kratos blames Ares even if Kratos himself actually did the deed. I always asumed that much.

[@Vandalizer1231]

I felt a bigger plot hole was, “why didn’t Kratos grab his wife and daughter out of their Timeline before their death?”.

[@MALCode_A799]

Zeus: 'To me you are the most hateful of all the gods who hold Olympos. Forever quarrelling is dear to your heart, wars and battles . . . were you born of some other god and proved so ruinous long since, you would have been dropped beneath the gods of the bright sky. '" Homer, Iliad 5.

[@levis.5092]

Kratos is seeing all wars in history that’s what he sees when he sits in the throne. Plothole fizzed

[@ZegetaX1]

The circle pushing was the worst by far

[@Debatra.]

The real biggest "plot hole" (though both are really just oddities in the story/character decisions) is "why didn't Kratos save his family at the end of GoW2?". But that's what happens when you suddenly introduce time travel.

[@lord-of-the-trees]

every time i see the bacon intro I WANT BACON

[@BotBruh448]

Man pulled a picture of Fleming from Cel Damage, god damn

[@unclebobboomergames]

Id say the decision for ares to tell kratos is just him being a god. Characters written as those kinds of gods thats usually their flaw. The dont get it. They just dont. Their ways and lifespans are so grand that their way of viewing these sorts of bonds. He expected kratos to react how the gods would. Id say look at ego telling quill he gave his moms cancer in GOTG2. He does it because his views and ideas of bonds and...humanity...dont exist the way we think. They just dont get it. Then added ascension context and there ya go

[@christiancinnabars1402]

If you think about it, Ares did _partially_ succeed in his plan. He wanted to make the ultimate warrior that would help him dethrone Zeus. And what did Kratos do after GoW1? March up the Olympian pecking order and kill Zeus. Granted, Ares wanted himself to take the throne afterwards, but halfway success is still some form of success.

[@abdulazimnaushad]

Ares made the mistake of revealing his role in Kratos' wife and daughter getting murdered. He should’ve been smart and not revealed his role or could’ve shifted the blame to Athena/Zeus and claim they transported his family there, that way he could’ve succeeded in turning Kratos against them and have Kratos serve him long enough till he took over Olympus. Then Ares could betray and dispose of Kratos before Kratos even had a chance to turn against him.

[@SuperLuigi1025]

I didn't know if you died more then 3 times and crawled of the underworld back to the world of the living you get a free sundae.

[@sonicboom2468]

So I have a theory in the book it did say that Kratos does see future wars after he becomes God of War. So what if Ares also sees that but sees the fall of Olympus as well so trigger the event that causes it in the first place not knowing that it also leads to his death

[@arrownoir]

Oh wow, I’ve never seen the post end credit sequel bait.

[@BaldorfBreakdowns]

Also, considering what Kratos has done, Ares might've have figured he wasn't exactly a family man.

[@hopoff9968]

The only problem I see with Ares' plan for Kratos despite the obvious is he should have pinned it on Zeus or Athena, that why he'd accomplish his goal of making him a greater warrior by fueling his rage but also keep him as an ally, who knows him and Kratos could've ruled Olympus together.

[@Wembley624]

If Ares true goal was to destroy the Olympus, he succeed it...with the help of Kratos.

[@Itellyouonlythetruth]

imagine when loki find out kratos kill his first wife and kid 🤔

[@levis.5092]

Kratos is seeing all wars in history that’s what he sees when he sits in the throne. Plothole fixed

[@levanmzhavanadze9760]

Ares teleported Kratos' wife and daughter into that temple and that's why Kratos wanted vengeance

[@salty3069]

Love your videos ! Would you ever consider doing theories and predictions for upcoming game ?

[@newhybrid101]

At that point Kratos stood ZERO chance against Ares.He was absolutely no threat to the gods on his own and needed special weapons like Gauntlet of Zeus and Pandoras Box. By GoW3 Kratos has matched and surpassed Zeus who is FAR above Ares canonically. People need to accept he isnt almighty and like any hero he grows stronger most of the time

[@freemovies3524]

the biggest flaw in God of War, is having to roll to much. same with Elden Ring, that's why i prefer a strength build and i mostly block.

[@freemovies3524]

@@SECONDQUEST rolling non-stop is boring to me

[@Midnight.k1]

@@freemovies3524 then don’t play the game 🤷‍♀️

[@freemovies3524]

@@Midnight.k1 i don't, only played the 1st at a friends house. i'm a Xbox player for life

[@Midnight.k1]

@@freemovies3524 nothing wrong with that 👍

[@TBP]

Fundamentally, I prefer dodgerolling over blocking in most games, but that's because I tend towards a more aggressive playstyle.

[@GeraSanz]

I like your point of view in most if not all of your videos! Keep up the good work!

[@Fonz128]

Remember the part in GOW3 where spoilers Zeus blames his action on Kratos for opening Pandora’s box back in the 1st game. I could be wrong. I haven’t played GOW3 in forever. I’ll be honest tho I’m done with the franchise. I’m not even buying Ragnarok. The GOW hype died for me.

[@ElFacuPanterA]

Do you ever thought in how to enjoy a drama play without over-analyze? It's all part of a plot, involving gods who had a lot of human impulses. I wouldn't take so serious Ares thinking about this since he was the god of brutality in war, chaos in anger.

[@zewnya]

What the hell? I completed first 6 games in the series and this is the first time I'm hearing his wife's name?! Lassandra?!! Where did you got that?

[@AstralLaVista]

I loved the DBZA reference when it comes to how many times kratos died

[@lumpcrittergravy]

Aries shouldn't have listened to Hades's methods on treating his champion.

[@cotocoyerakson8195]

8:20 Ares was dumb as hell even in the mythology

[@theannouncer5538]

Ares: eh, I’m sure it’ll be alright

[@shoresean1237]

(Kratos goes to get his Sundae in the afterlife) Kratos: Who is ahead of me in line? (A short bald man turns and looks at him) Kirillin: Oh, hi, Kratos! Kratos: What was it this time? Kirillin: Goat-demon sucked out all my ki - not recommending it. Kratos never questions his own choices in getting him to that ambush/set-up, but in part even that has a background reason, even if never an excuse. Kratos was not merely the destructor of the Olympian pantheon, he was born of it, in more ways than one. Everything he did was just all the elements of Greek mythology writ super-large. In other words, he did everything the Greek gods and monsters always did - just bigger and with negative f***s, rather than just zero. In these old stories, there is a moment where the wronged berserker becalms and accepts their fate and their new station, good or bad - but never Kratos. Every time he nears such a moment, the Gods still have use for him and guide him away, figuring to squeeze that last bit out of him, and then regretting it to a one. Kratos is not merely a superhuman Greek, he is the super-embodiment of that Greek Pantheon and its ways of doing business. He never questions things like that slaughter in a remote village because who in Greek lore ever has? Like the one bit of foresight in the whole shebang is Odysseus telling the Cyclops "I Am Nobody".

[@megahobbit5972]

I think Ares just wanted to take credit like the true god of stealing kills. I mean war :P

[@CuddlyTheMadElite]

You know, I was theorizing that all the events in the Greece saga were all actually planned out by Athena. It would explain why Athena, a goddess capable of completely changing a person's species, claimed to be unable to basically give Kratos minor dementia. It would explain why Athena spares Kratos as a kid+adult despite being a Spartan and a liability (she definitely would have known Kratos would have been a liability). It would fit in with the fact that she was part of the Coup of Olympus story when Ares was not. It would explain why Athena tells Kratos some bogus rule about gods being unable to go to war with each other when Ares is doing just that. It would fit with her being the goddess of wisdom and strategy, forming a plan to coup Olympus for herself from the sidelines. It could also explain why Ares picked Kratos or did some of his actions like putting Kratos' family in a random village worshipping Athena. It would also just entirely re-contextualize the entire series in a cool way. But the book revealing that Athena was arguing with Zues about letting Kratos lose his visions put down this cool theory.

[@TBP]

This is all literally the premise of a video coming out in November

[@Eric6761]

If you think about it, Athena had reasons to figth against Ares for Basic defense

[@co7769]

Is the free Sunday comment a reference to the amazing DBZA?

[@PrestonK_Productions]

I'm... Confused. What about any of that is mysterious? Ares found a way to get them to that village, either by taking them there by force or some other method that convinced them to go. I'm not sure why the method would matter. And the reason he thought his plan would work is because he's disconnected from humanity and doesn't understand how people work. I guess in the most technical sense it's up to the audience to figure it out, but it's all laid out so plainly that it's more or less stated to the audience what happened and why.