Is This The Korean Civic Si?? Yes And No - 2020 Kia Forte GT

[@AAutoBuyersGuide]

The Civic Si has been the benchmark for compact performance sedans on a budget, now there's a Kia for that. The new Forte GT. Kia has managed to so drastically undercut the price of the Civic Si, that a fully-loaded 2020 Forte GT is actually *less* than a base Civic Si. In a segment where performance is just as important as affordability, the Forte GT might even be seen ad the new benchmark. It may not have the finesse of the Civic Si, but for the price you'll get features not offered on the Civic at any price, a better infotainment system, longer warranty, and... a bit more personality. The real win for the Forte GT is of course the price tag, because it neatly answers all the questions from GTI/GLI/Si fans. "Is it as refined?" No, but it's way less expensive. Is it as powerful as a GTI? No, but it's way less expansive. Does it have a limited slip? No, but it's way less expensive. That's the best argument to be had in the auto biz.

[@reserva120]

Too bad the rear seats don't fold flat..then it would-be a very useful car..

[@CFG-qv7hy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the "base" Civic Si is the only Civic Si?

[@wtfx5757]

@@CFG-qv7hy you aren't wrong.

[@digitaldoc100]

Forte is a very nice car for the price. Pushed hard though, the FWD architecture and lack of great engineering reveal themselves with too much torque steer.

[@andrew.woolman7449]

I'm not super impressed with the way the 2020 Kia Forte GT looks, the headlights look like bug eyes to me. Perhaps more importantly, the dual clutch transmission in the GT does ride & feel rough. Even Sofyan, a huge fan of Kia/Hyundai, admitted that when driving it. That will be difficult to live with everyday. Keep in mind that performance is more than the amount of horsepower, amount of torque, and 0-60 time. Most of us drive in real roads where we have to follow speed limits, not the race track. If anything, driving a fast car slow is incredibly frustrating. For my money, I would buy a 2020 Toyota Corolla SE sedan as my performance sedan. Yes it's not the fastest car but it handles incredibly well. Professional reviewers have stated that it handles & drives even better than the 2020 Mazda 3. Best would be to pair it with the available manual transmission with auto rev matching but Toyota's new CVT with the physical first gear is awesome too. Plus the 2020 Corolla SE is cheaper & more reliable than the Forte GT and the Civic SI. Win win.

[@jaredgreen5840]

I've now had my Forte GT for about 3 months now and I couldn't be happier. It's fun fast and looks good 😎👍

[@t.k.morris]

Do you have the manual transmission?

[@kenconlon1812]

@@t.k.morris I have the manual it's a blast.

[@jaredgreen5840]

@@t.k.morris I'm normally a big fan manual transmissions in certain cars but I got the DCT auto. It holds RPMs where you want with nice defined shift points and I actually really like it. Plus you can kick it in manual mode and rifle through the gears. It feels very responsive unlike the slushy feel of a CVT, but that's another reason why I was drawn to the Forte GT 🙂

[@thattallassnikka]

Does it pull a lotta hoes or nah

[@drmanikhossain7537]

Congratulations! How do you like your Forte GT so far? Thanks

[@robertavila939]

“That’s not really Kias Forte.” I see what you did there Alex 😏

[@sandyshoremann7524]

I chuckled out loud on that too! Sneeky & Cheeky :)

[@Baaxonda]

Putting such witty puns aside, when not referring to musical composition, "forte" is actually pronounced "fort," so we are all wrong when pronouncing it like Alex.

[@enowong]

The most underrated performance bargain on the market right now. The car looks even better in person too.

[@OGCONSUMER]

@Birth Chord just snatched one last week 6 speed manual.. love it just tinted the windows! The exhausts pops also 🤙

[@paulnuc3192]

Going to hopefully pick one up Friday after test driving it earlier in the week, fell in love with it after about 15 minutes

[@jermainejpshepherd2778]

Its so much value in this GT. The most fully loaded in the compact segment, imo. If I didn't have an 18 Hyundai Elantra Sport, i might consider it. Gr8 content, Alex.

[@thinking500]

I leased a 17 Elantra Sport manual for 3 years and it was fantastic. I preferred the styling, leather seats and rarity over the Si. The refreshed Elantra was unfortunate, though.

[@1990flyerboy]

I had one with the DCT. That car was just about perfect for me. I miss it.

[@ryadhasanahmed5443]

I mean the reason why Si doesn't have leather seats is coz if weight, leather adds unnecessary weight and the Civic Si and Type R is all about lightness

[@bertito43]

I still have mine and it’s 60k miles. I just can’t justify getting rid of it. I love it

[@JTube571]

@@ryadhasanahmed5443 Leather is also pretty terrible in a performance car as it's easier to slide around in it while doing hard cornering. Leather also makes the interior noise levels higher as leather reflects sound rather than absorbs it like cloth.

[@dennistyler8746]

And the triangles in the 2021 look to much...

[@Michael_Lorenson]

In the world of FWD vehicles, I've always been a Honda man, going all the way back to the 1980s. I currently own my fourth, an Accord Hybrid. I've also had a Toyota, which I grew to like very much. But over the past several years, my respect for Hyundai-Kia has grown steadily, and this little Forte GT looks hard to beat in its class.

[@juliennegarcia4157]

Downgrading from My Stinger GT to a Forte GT. This Car is a dope daily

[@paulriccio5333]

Been driving a 2021 for a day now after trading in my GLI. I love it. Volkswagen can suck it.

[@VaporCollector1992]

The warranty argument has more bite this year vs. the GLI since VW backtracked their generous 6/70K bumper to bumper warranty and now only warranty their cars for 4/50K. The shortest warranty of the bunch.

[@andrew.woolman7449]

Warranties are only good if they're honored. I've heard many horror stories where dealers refused to honor warranties because they couldn't replicate the problem at the dealership or because they found some loophole and claimed the car owner voided the warranty. Don't rely on warranties at all.

[@VaporCollector1992]

Loophole abuse with the Warranty - another thing Volkswagen is notorious for. That and terrible customer service.

[@stephenhendricks103]

In fact VW's 4yr/50K bumper to bumper warranty is not the "shortest warranty of the bunch." It's longer than most manufacturers' standard 3year/36,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty. Furthermore, it's coupled with two years of service and maintenance on every vehicle sold, a benefit that amounts to something over $600 for every buyer. Balance that certain savings against the potential but very unlikely probability that a buyer will have a warranty claim in years five and six of ownership and the average consumer is far better off with the shorter warranty and free service and maintenance.

[@subvet3668]

Stephen Hendricks, nearly every other automaker offers 5 year 60k powertrain.

[@casualsuede]

@@subvet3668 powertrain and bumper to bumper warranties are very different things.

[@johnyboy3606]

Just got this car a week ago and is truly amazing

[@t.k.morris]

Did you get the manual transmission?

[@luiszaragoza6500]

T.K. Morris I did, it’s so much fun driving this car in my opinion. Exhaust sounds mean at a cold start

[@nowayangelo]

@@YahAlahim gt too?

[@aluisious]

@@YahAlahim what exploded?

[@stanm.6174]

Just got mine 3 days ago. GT with manual transmission and I couldn’t be happier. When people write you get so much for your money it really is the truth.

[@anaccount2851]

I don't know who you are, i don't know how i got to your KZbin channel but i will now search for you listen to all the time when it comes to cars.

[@chiquicat1]

Any DCT with paddle shifter is as fun or more fun than a manual. I have driven manual for over a decade but I was blown away by the DCT fast gear changes - race car with sequential transmission feeling.

[@evoartsinc]

Agreed. Even as an old-ass man I can agree that the technology has changed the game.

[@casualsuede]

Btw, a C+ and a B are not same score (cabin noise).

[@Ricksnet2008]

My son telling me he did great in Math... report card says D+ Hmmm lol

[@JasonMacKenzie]

Your level or expertise and thoroughness continually blows me away. Keep up the incredible work!!

[@theodorekell]

I can find many faults

[@swanblake]

His logic is terrible. He goes for the least sporty car, everytime he does a sporty car comparisons. He hates fun driving cars. He would much rather have an suv

[@Bondovw]

@@swanblake Hes a practical guy. If you're even considering a couple different cars you're going to drive them and might have a completely different view from him.

[@chrisa2223]

So Kia made the Forte GT with the manual as it’s own trim level. So it’s more than the base GT, which comes with the DCT, but it has more equipment. The GT 6MT does indeed have the Blind Spot Monitor, as well as a sunroof, and an upgraded audio system. I only know this because I was looking into one as a replacement for my Accord when my lease runs up. Great review as always!

[@wtfx5757]

This car is a great value. If I was in the market for a car in this class, I would definitely test drive it

[@richl1319]

What class are you in the market for ?

[@nicholass281]

I just bought this car. I’m picking it up Friday I’ll probably post videos on KZbin

[@t.k.morris]

@@nicholass281 Please provide a link if you do...

[@TheEquationSlayer]

As someone who's been considering a used Civic Si, I will say they hold their value absurdly well. So the price difference might end up being less than it seems. I also think an LSD is a big deal for those looking to track/autocross. I prefer the styling of the Forte though.

[@stephenhendricks103]

Resale value is a frequent argument in discussions of the value of some vehicles -- Toyotas and Hondas on the high end and KIAs on the low end. But here's an example that doesn't apply directly to the vehicles reviewed here but may be instructive. In 2012 I purchased a KIA Sorento. The price I paid was over $6000 less than the best offer I received for a comparably equipped Toyota Highlander. Six years later I traded the Sorento for a new model (same top trim). The dealer gave me a price for my trade-in that was about $600 less than the KBB estimate for a comparable (trim and condition) 2012 Highlander trade-in, the resale champ in the category. Simple arithmetic indicates I saved about $5400 on the pair of transactions. The keys, of course, were (a) substantial savings on the original purchase price; (b) keeping the Sorento for six years rather than trading it within a couple of years of its original purchase; and (c) the significant improvement in KIA's resale value over the last decade. Personally, I don't buy vehicles based on my expectation that it will hold its value, especially over a period of five years or more. Vehicles are almost universally depreciating assets and the longer they're owned the less difference in resale value of comparable vehicles. P.S. This comment is aimed at contradicting your post. I suspect that you're correct that the "price difference might end up being less than it seems." But the greater the initial savings and the longer you keep a vehicle, the less it matters.

[@chiluco2000]

@@stephenhendricks103 Very interesting perspective, thanks for sharing. I find on my research that KIA reliability has become very stable, at least in the last 3 or 4 years. That has to account into resale value somehow.

[@stephenhendricks103]

@@chiluco2000 Yes, it has. In fact, when I sold my 2012 Sorento, the dealer re-sold it 24 hours later for $2000 more than he paid me. We both made out well and that was fine with me.

[@TheEquationSlayer]

@@stephenhendricks103 In general I agree; resale value is overrated. But with enthusiast cars, buyers seem to be picky. In my area (Mass), I see a 2013 GTI for $14k, 2013 Civic Si for $16k, 2014 Focus ST for $15k, and a 2015 Forte5 SX for $13k. All ~50k miles. The Kia was $2-3k cheaper, but that savings is gone compared to the Honda/Ford hot hatches.

[@andrew.woolman7449]

@@stephenhendricks103 Your (a) and (c) points neutralize each other. As Kia's resale value has gone up, the willingness of Kia dealers to give you a substantial discount off MSRP on new Kias has gone down. I assure you that new Kias/Hyundais do not receive nearly as big as a discount now as it used to in the past. On the other hand, due to the increased competition from Kia/Hyundai, Toyota dealerships are more willing to give a large discount on new Toyotas then they did in the past.

[@bird718]

it would be nice if they one day offered more color choices for the interiors

[@ae86fiend]

I guess I got lucky. My GT manual has a powered sunroof, BSM, parking sensors, and HK audio.

[@joebrown9621]

you were darn lucky.. i got one before the number crunchers started shaving off the extra bits

[@jacobtaylor8975]

Well I also got all of those features. As I understand it, can get a very basic forte GT with the dct and none of those options mentioned. The manual is a higher msrp because it comes with some of the features that you need to pay extra on the dct. The only things missing on my manual is the full leather seats, heated and cooled seats, auto climate, ambient lighting and radar cruise. I think that's it. The manual is a great value and tons of fun.

[@thomas02821]

I just bought one with the same specs as well.

[@Edriklongtail]

Theirs 2 a GT and then a Loaded GT one.. I got one fully loaded out the door with everything for another 1500 🤷‍♂️

[@DanUtley]

That’s how the manual comes.... from my understanding, you can’t get a manual version without those features.

[@cargueone1971]

I just bought one at a discounted price of 20k plus tax and fees. The best way to describe it is it's a great value, especially if you compare it to a Corolla SE and XSE sedans. As for the Civic Si, they have their own customers. So I can really give an opinion on that. All I can say, it's a fun manual transmission Turbo economy sedan.

[@lindagonzalez9691]

So you ended up paying around 22k out the door, including taxes and fees and that's a discount and great value to you? Orale Orale holmes, you're a pendejo. You can buy a new 2020 Corolla SE sedan for 20k out the door as long as you negotiate hard so it's 2k cheaper than Forte GT. The 2020 Corolla SE manual has auto rev matching, looks better, and will be more reliable with the naturally aspirated engine.

[@richl1319]

Linda Gonzalez I actually like the look of the forte better

[@joebrown9621]

@@lindagonzalez9691 A Corolla SE isn't even close when comparing the Forte GT , if u want a preppier Corolla sure get a SE.. if you want a little injection of Sport the Forte is the way to go it feels way different my friend.. plus Toyota eco engine pushed i find still sip a little oil.. but not saying they aren't reliable

[@joebrown9621]

@@lindagonzalez9691 the best way to put it is if you commute in a single lane area and a big rig is ahead the Forte you put ur foot down and pass.. the Corolla you better wait

[@thivakarsaravanamuthu4744]

@@joebrown9621 the Corolla 2.0 169hp is more then enough for passing a truck or car on the freeway . 30 hp isn't much power

[@stephenhendricks103]

Coming from someone who drives a GTI and a KIA Sorento I have to say that KIA once again hits the ball out of the park with the new Forte, especially the GT model. If I won a raffle that gave me a choice among the vehicles Alex cites in the video I'd probably opt for the GLI based on my long experience with the GTI and its superb EA888 engine. But I'm not a recent college grad laboring under a massive student loan debt in what is (and will be for quite some time) an uncertain economic climate. Nor am I a family breadwinner with a budget that makes a several thousand dollar price difference a major issue. And for those and many other consumers the Forte's generous dose of features, enjoyable driving dynamics, and extensive bumper-to-bumper and power train warranties make a compelling case for the Forte.

[@lindagonzalez9691]

Warranties are only good if they're honored. Dealers try their best to find loopholes to not honor your warranty. You would be a fool to trust Kia/Hyundai's 10 year warranty.

[@stephenhendricks103]

@@lindagonzalez9691 Nonsense. In fact, every manufacturer applies firm rules to warranty claims. KIA and Hyundai are no different from any other manufacturer. And if you have any reliable evidence to the contrary, feel free to post it. You won't because it doesn't exist. If you want to criticize KIA/Hyundai's 10 year power train warranty, though, you might want to focus on the fact that very few problems arise in ANY automotive brand in the transmission and engine over a 10 year/100K length of time. In fact, a number of dealers of various brands in my area offer LIFETIME warranties on their new vehicles' engines and transmissions. Since such warranties typically apply only to the original purchaser of a new vehicle and so few problems every arise, either a 10 year or a lifetime warranty is basically a marketing gesture. A somewhat more valuable warranty from a consumer point of view is the bumper-to-bumper warranty offered by manufacturers. But even in those cases a 3 year or 5 year warranty is a good bet for a manufacturer. Again, they're seldom transferable to a second owner and even if they are the vast majority of owners will never have the need to redeem a warranty claim over the period of their ownership. If anything, long warranties are a sign of (a) a manufacturer's confidence in their product and (b) a way to counter worries of risk averse consumers who don't realize that just about every new vehicle will run reliably and without the need for a warranty claim for the entire length of ownership. Reliability concerns are widespread among consumers primarily because a new car is such a major expenditure but a warranty, like any insurance policy, is a far better bet for those who sell them than for those who buy them. If that weren't the case, insurance wouldn't be sold.

[@spades512]

@@stephenhendricks103 Well KIA tried to get out of fixing an opening in my passenger seat leather, implying it wasn't a defect and that it was my fault. The car was brand new no one ever sat there

[@blarghman332]

Linda Gonzalez you’re talking out of your ass

[@stephenhendricks103]

@@spades512 And were they successful in their denial? I thought not.

[@danajohnson6713]

Great review Alex - spot on. We picked up one of these a few months ago after test driving similar offerings from Honda, Mazda, and Hyundai. The value really sold us, but it's hard to miss the fit and finish and the smile factor when you mash down your right foot. The tuned exhaust is a hoot to listen to - reminds me of MUCH more expensive vehicles from across the pond. Cheers and keep up the great work!

[@DCMoney96]

Have this in manual. So much fun to drive.

[@Brian1958]

I bought the Kia Gt 2 on New Years Eve. I was looking at Honda and Toyota. My biggest criteria was LED lights since I’m older and having a harder time seeing at night with halogen lights. When I saw the Kia at this trim level including ventilated seats it was love at first sight. This is a sporty car with reasonable performance. I also drive a BMW x3 M40I which shocked me the first time I drove it. No cross over should be that fast but BMW has even faster toys. I drive the Kia for work and gets great mileage in smart mode( 37 to 40 mpg on highway). Engine/ transmission are a little rough on start up in the morning but settle in after the engine is up to temperature. Handling is very good with a low center of gravity and good tires. I had a manufacturer’s incentive when I bought it so it was in the 22k price range. For the price it’s a steal.

[@evoartsinc]

I'm 40 years old. Love my Kia forte GT. the two best cars that I ever owned was a 2003 Toyota Camry and a 1990 Tpyota Supra. The Forte Gt is the perfect combo. It's not Supra level fast (my MK3 ran 12s with pump gas and full interior), but it is super fun and comfy like my old Camry. The Civic just looks to young for me.

[@Wizerud]

Perfect timing. I’m considering both of these vehicles and have owned two Si’s previously.

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Which are you leaning towards and why?

[@caglioso]

I’ve tested both. The Si is the better car overall and I specifically liked the nicer materials, gauges, and refinement. It’s more engaging and just much more fun to drive. However if you’re on a budget the forte is a solid choice and will get the job done for some cheap speed, especially with a manual.

[@Wizerud]

@@buildmorefarms1007 I am leaning towards the Forte. With real world dealer discounts, the GT with GT2 package ends up being around $3k cheaper than an Si. I will miss the limited slip diff but it seems the Forte still handles very nicely. With the current rona situation I may end up driving a lot less than I used to so it makes sense to spend less money on driving itself. I'm just looking for the cheapest vehicle I can find with an acceptable level of fun and features which is well built and probably reliable. I'm not sure there's any vehicle priced below the GT that would satisfy all of those criteria, for me personally at least.

[@M4B21S88]

@@caglioso guys says "if youre on a budget the forte is a solid choice" when both cars are pretty much similar in price...my GT2 Forte had a MSRP of $26,350 got it for 25k...Even if you buy a non GT2, there really isnt a huge difference in monthly payments bc of 2-3k less...its probably like $25-$35 less / month...other factors are more important such interest rates and down payments/positive equities. Forte is underrated...its capable of generating 212-221 engine HP, and typically dyno 195-200 lb-ft torque at the wheels. 0-60: 6.31 1/8 mi: 9.45 @ 77.4 mph 1/4 mi 14.59@ 95.75 mph All timed with my dragy, no launching, streets, w/ DCT.

[@maoinc13]

I have a 2023 Kia Forte GT2 Turbo and it's awesome 💯😎 compared to the HONDA overpriced Civic SI you get a lot more for the money with the Kia Forte GT2 and Honda just raised the price of all their vehicles making the Honda Civic SI base starting at 28k 😮

[@slowanddeliberate6893]

This Forte GT is good bang for the buck. Great video, as always.

[@karaygeoushearts]

I have the 2019 Kia Forte Ex. I wish the GT trim was available a year ago. When my lease ends, I may test drive it. I’ve loved having heated and cooled seats. It’s also very rare to find rear air conditioning vents in this class, which is great for road trips. The trunk is actually bigger than current Camry’s, too. Having an automatic transmission would make the Forte much more pleasant to drive. I’m also considering a hatchback or SUV next, too.

[@evoartsinc]

I'm sure I'm wrong, but the trunk on the GT actually seems bigger than my base forte that I traded out.

[@vvvvel]

like the color. Kia did an impressive power to weight ratio with this car.

[@tionicho]

Alex..your description for the 6sp manual equipment is incorrect..it has everything except power seat, cooled seats, radar cruise, but it does have Sunroof, Blind spot monitoring, rear cross-traffic alert , park distance warning, XM radio, Harmon/Kardon Audio, and wireless phone charging..as standard equiptment. That's why it cost more than the base DCT..which doesn't have and any of that premium equiptment only the XM radio, FYI...Alex isn't this for the cost a far better value equipment-wise than Civic SI or Jerra GLI. right?

[@noonesbusiness959]

Alex keep up the hard work brother you're the best car reviewer on KZbin. Your professional sets you apart from reviewers like Redline who resort to profanity to appeal to folks.

[@TheAngryDuckman]

Disagreed. SavageGeese is a more entertaining auto reviewer. Alex is good, but more stale.

[@noonesbusiness959]

@@TheAngryDuckman I appreciate and respect your opinion though I disagree. AoA has that professionalism the others though they MIGHT be more entertaining just can't seem to achieve but again appreciate your comment brother.

[@slowanddeliberate6893]

Redline Reviews and profanity? I've never heard him use profanity...

[@mdog2501]

@@slowanddeliberate6893 Maybe not in every video but it's definitely noticeable.

[@stephenhendricks103]

Different strokes for different folks and different aims from different reviewers. I happen to agree that Alex provides the most comprehensive, thorough, and detailed reviews on the net and his inclusion of comparisons with rival vehicles in the same market category is especially enlightening. That's why I support this channel. Having said that, though, I find several other reviewers well worth watching, a group that includes Tom Voelk's "Driven" channel, the reviews from Savage Geese, MIcah Musio's perspectives on his own channel as well as KBB, and Sofyan Bey's perspective on Redline. As far as Sofyan's "profanity," I have to say it's pretty rare and typically "beeped." Even if it weren't I'm not especially bothered by the shift in what's considered to be acceptable language in the current world.

[@MarkRVillano]

If you're buying the car for it's combination of practicality and fun, it's hard to ignore the fact that when it comes time to trade it in or sell it, a manual is not only worth less money, but it's also harder to unload.

[@TassieLorenzo]

So it's worth having less fun with the dual-clutch for the *entire* time you have the car? That doesn't sound right!

[@Michael_Lorenson]

Don't care.

[@AIDAHAR210]

I don't care

[@nateavery2875]

I love they offer this in the automatic as well. Allows everyone to play.

[@z28kindaguy]

One thing Alex doesn’t mention, or maybe I missed it. The only way to get adaptive cruise in this car is to get the top of the line GT trim AND the GT2 package. Honda offers this (must have, IMO ) feature across all trims.

[@LoveStallion]

"Fuel economy hasn't exactly been Kia's forte in the past...." I see what you did there.

[@beyond_the_infinite2098]

Panda has a piggyback chip for the 2020 Forte GT. With no other mods the chip produced an additional 70 hp and 90 lb ft at the wheel. That is an almost 30% increase in horsepower and 50% increase in torque. Amazing!

[@timothyryan2847]

Do they offer one for a 2023 forte gt? I like it ,but ,more power is always good.

[@AffyisAffy]

I have one in a manual and am loving it. It edged out the civic si and the elantra GT for me because I am really tall and felt kind of cramped in those models but the forte felt surprisingly roomy. Also price point was around 3 grand cheaper so it was a clear winner for me. One fact that people should know is the rev limiter does not bounce, it cuts the throttle.

[@edwinalfredo310]

Many journalists complain about torque steer in front wheel drive vehicles, but I think that makes the car more fun

[@stevee8318]

I'm sure the Koreans will do a better job than Ford, but I still don't trust DCTs in cheap compact cars

[@james2042]

theyve been using the same DCT for some time now, and its been pretty flawless

[@andrew.woolman7449]

Even Sofyan admits that it feels and sounds rough when driving it. He didn't seem comfortable with it at all. I remember Ford Fiesta and Focus drivers would have the same complaint. I would be worried about long-term reliability.

[@casualsuede]

Well, you do get 10 yrs/ 100k warranty so at least you're protected...until you want sell the car.

[@stephenhendricks103]

Not sure if you consider a GTI a "cheap compact car" but its DCT is awesome and durable.

[@2010ngojo]

@@stephenhendricks103 28000 starting? Not exactly cheap.

[@Theonestrongbusleader]

I like all Kia cars! I might buy this car Alex.

[@nonamename638]

In Poland (Europe) there is no Forte GT model, but there is ProCeed GT. Similar but not the same (Shooting Brake). I've had him for two months and his ride gives a lot of pleasure. Unfortunately, prices in Europe are much higher. My car cost over 32,000 USD.

[@dreperez7373]

Man watching this video makes me want this car soooo much sooner than later😍

[@ferenc-x7p]

The car cries in Volkswagen or Audi, hence the chief designer of Hyundai/Kia is the former chief designer from Audi. Not a bad thing!

[@curtisfisher1028]

Lol true facts they gave the Forte Gt porche suv headlights. And I think for 26k they did it right you should get alot more for your money why pay 30k for a Honda civic si? Because it surely doesnt beat my Gt in a race

[@SilverScarletSpider]

Everybody wants a Honda Civic Si, but most of the people that are buying new “faster” compact sedans don’t want a manual Honda Civic Si with no leather/heated/ventilated seats. Back then, the Acura Integra, RSX, EL, CSX, TSX, ILX, and even the coupè Honda Prelude filled the gap somewhat: a more comfortable, just as fun and reliable, affordable Honda Civic Si with an automatic transmission option. There is a legitimate reason why many owners of the Preludes, Integras, EL, RSX, CSX, and TSX still love their cars even decades later. Nowadays, with Acura ILX base prices soaring and new redesigns absent, the Kia Forte GT and Hyundai Elantra N-line (former known as the Elantra Sport) gladly take its place. Hyundai and Kia reliability is still a bit of a gamble for now, but the trends point upwards and away from the tragic catastrophic engine fires/recalls of years past. The low MSRP, value proposition, and 10 year warranty seal the deal. As a value oriented brand, Nissan especially, is feeling the sting. Mitsubishi’s Lancer got squeezed out of the market too along with Ford, Chevorlet, and Dodge’s sedans. I hope Honda releases a new Civic Si with a manual and an automatic transmission option with leather/heated/ventilated seats soon. And I hope Acura slashes the prices on their ILX to more competitive and reasonable levels. Because the Kia Forte GT and Hyundai Elantra N-Line could use some stronger competition. But then again, sales in this segment are so pitifully low, it might not even be worth fighting the battle anymore. First the affordable compact sports coupe’s died in the 2000’s, next the affordable compact sports sedans soon follow. Now that’s just heartbreaking. 😔

[@thechannelflow7840]

Honda redesigned the civic si for 2022

[@paulcallaway71]

I imagine a few manufacturers do the same, but I dislike separating the turn signal lights and putting them way low on the bumper in relation to the brake lights. It forces you to pay attention to two different areas. Just keep 'em together, or at least in close proximity.

[@nreeldeep1]

Paying attention to MANY different areas. It's called driving. Everyone does it everyday. As in driving, your peripheral vision will allow you to notice a blinking light on the bumper as you absent mindedly glance at the tail lights.

[@roccodifranco7866]

Have a 2023 forte gt with DCT THIS CAR IS A UNBELIEVABLE BARGAIN and it’s fast and full of tech 😊

[@ankursharma8624]

Alex thanks for informing us that this Kia does NOT have a wet clutch dct yet. That's one important decision making factor. Plus it doesn't have an LSD of course.

[@allencallic3700]

You do not loose the Harman kardon system. I have the base manual with the harmen kardon.

[@buildmorefarms1007]

Cooled seats!A must!

[@andrew.woolman7449]

says the guy who drives a base mitsubishi mirage lol!

[@angelpadilla6963]

I purchased mine a couple days ago and I got in blue with the gt2 package. I also got it as a automatic because it's dct, if they didn't offer the dct I would for sure get a manual.

[@Gropmag215]

How is it holding up so far?

[@Mrch33ky]

Strongly considered this manual model last year. But wound up with a used Azera Limited with 40K miles and all the bells and whistles for $15k. V6, FWD, panaramic sunroof, huge trunk, awesome stereo and... made in Korea. If it had a manual transmission it would be perfect.

[@rizzlerazzleuno4733]

Certainly looks like Kia does not want to you buy the Forte with a manual transmission and as you report the DCT is probably a better choice, but I drive a Golf with 6 speed manual and easily get 40+ highway mpg and saved $1000 over the cost of the VW auto. But if I was in the market for this Kia I would choose the auto......hoping it does not develop any problems.

[@caribougoo349]

Si 0-60 times with civic ex market pricing(or less), availability, and automatic transmission mass appeal. Enthusiasts will appreciate the si's refinement. The average person whose never drove anything similar won't miss anything

[@theburgermeister7214]

This is a phenomenal car plain and simple. Great value, awesome sounding exhaust, great features there really isn't much to hate about it.

[@666chew]

Thank you for this review. I've been waiting to hear your take on it.

[@Goku-mr2jw]

That's what I'm talking about. Alex, you're the BEST!!! 👍

[@cjt7243]

In the first few frames of Alex, it looks like he's sporting a wicked, spiked red hairstyle haha.

[@AAutoBuyersGuide]

It's my pandemic hair.

[@akent46]

Bloody ripper review mate! Subscribed.......... Cheers from Australia :D

[@Offensively-normal]

Hindsight right. As of 2024 a used 2020 Kia forte retails around $15.000.The same year and similar mileage Civic SI are going upwards of $22.000. not sure the Kia was ever a good Idea. That dual clutch has already been discarded for a standard automatic.

[@pedrofernandez8729]

Plus this car does not have the oil dilution problem that the Civic turbo 1.5 has.

[@Yondaily]

It’s still a bad car Kia is not better than Honda and vw is a better buy

[@MikeStoddart]

A C+ for cabin noise is disappointing. It's a shame they couldn't add a little extra sound proofing in the top level trim. That would add weight, so perhaps an extra 10hp/10lb/ft.... :)

[@simquicky3448]

I’ve had the Australian version (2019 Cerato GT hatch) for over a year and 20k kms. Never thought id own a Kia til I drove it! Great little car; fun, comfortable, and so well equipped for the price. Warranty was a real big selling point too!

[@Yondaily]

Vw is better

[@simquicky3448]

yonda ila if ur a brand snob who doesn’t like value for money, then sure. 😝

[@jrasero23]

With the current incentives the Acura ILX withe the K24 engine and 8speed DCT should considered. Since is based on the previous gen Civic space isn’t as good as the 10th gen, some features found on the Civic are missing on the ILX, and the infotainment while better for ILX is still dated, but with this said the ILX hands down has the most brand cachet, most premium styling, and the the K24 is bullet proof while the 8 speed DCT is a home run by Honda. Just a fun little car and when paired with the cosmetic ASPEC package the car again is the best looking car ou5 of any of the cars mentioned

[@Jaymac720]

Honda has a dual clutch transmission for their Acura line. It’s proven to be a pretty good transmission. I wonder why they don’t use it in Honda models

[@theodorekell]

Because if you come to Honda dealer, you are just a layman. Laymen don't get the goods. Goods are for those who understands in goodness

[@rolyreyes5097]

Big fan of this Forte GT. Not so much of his Matrix glasses. Anyways, I'll get this GT over any Civic Si any day...

[@extremeencounter7458]

I did and I couldn’t be happier. Great car all around, just need to throw in some bolt on goodies and a tune

[@EchoSigma6]

This Forte is a winner! A good daily driver, adequate infotainment, great warranty, and a little performance spunk. Most of us will drive this car at 8/10’s so the DCT is fine for the general population even though the LSD is missing. I wish they equipped all LED lights around.

[@PCGGC]

The Elantra Sport\N-Line is the same engine with more interior features for even cheaper. My 2018 Elantra Sport had heated leather seats with red stitching, 8" touchscreen infotainment with apple carplay\android auto, performance suspension, 18" wheels, the same 201HP 1.6 Turbo and got it for $19,000! That's a much better deal than the $25k Si The loaded Si is up around $27k. For that you can get a Hyundai Veloster N which is basically a budget Type R lol I actually chose the N over the Type R based on steering feel, exhaust note and looks. And cheapest Type R for older 2019 model was still $38k so I saved $11,000 and with $2000 of mods I'll have 100 horsepower more than a Type R and still be $9,000 cheaper, look and sound better still

[@swanblake]

No lsd has me looking at the SI and GLI instead. Cost cutting not giving it a proper diff and it's annoying as they continue to do this for all 1.6L T. Alex hate on manual is gets old quickly. I dont understand why he reviews any fun cars as he just doesnt care. He doesnt enjoy driving enthusiastically. His reviews reflect this.

[@aurorajones8481]

I dont get why automakers and guys like this boast the auto's as faster and thats why we should choose them. I buy a manual because i enjoy the ability to maintain total control and it gives me a thrill no auto could ever provide. The speed? Im not a damn race car driver, im not looking to shave tenths of a second off my commute to work. Id rather have a good time and they just dont get that. Anyone who doesn't get that should keep to the auto and shut the hell up.

[@curtisfisher1028]

Bro no joke this car beats the civic si in a race I have it in grey. Tork motors has stage 1 stage 2 tune as well 240-270 300-340 gli stock has only 28 more hp and cost 10k more. I love the look on a drivers face when I beat a honda

[@AIDAHAR210]

Dont worry, other shit talk autos. It evens out

[@jameyboss37]

I'd like to add that the 2021 GT 6 Speed does have the harmon kardon system, blindspot monitoring, front and rear sensors, just no power seats, dual zone climate and adaptive cruise control or heated or cooled seating, which is fine with me, and the manual certainly pulls alot harder than the automatic and has been more engaging than the civic Si, i love mine and gonna have to get a second one lol Also, my car came with the red stitching all over the interior and it looks great, why did everyone else get a incomplete interior?

[@KevinPeffley]

Wow, what an impressive review! I’m totally with you on the automatic vs manual transmissions. I drove a manual for most of my driving life, mostly because I wanted a cheaper car. Yet, for me it’s not the fun experience that manual enthusiasts love. Especially in stop and go traffic. Because of this review, I will definitely check out the Forte GT. The only turn off I had was that big info entertainment screen in the middle of the dash. It sticks out way too much. I wish it was built in more to the dash. Other than this, I’m drawn to the consistent performance of the car and all the important safety features this car has to offer at a much lower price than Honda. I do, however, like the styling of the Honda better than the Forte. Again, thank you for this excellent review. How the hell do you cram so many words in one breath? Take care.

[@ragweedmakesmesneeze]

For a family man who desperately wants a small fun to drive car, but knows that I've got a family and gear to fit, I pay a LOT of attention to trunk size. The Forte's trunk is larger than a Camry's for example. And while I generally prefer sedans to smoke and mirror hatchbacks that end up being less cargo-friendly, I am curious how this compares to the Hyundai GT N-line hatchback. Same engine I think, no? It is also available with a manual transmission. Furthermore, in a world where new cars are heavy on infotainment tech/controls, light on physical buttons/controls, I continually hear that Hyundai/Kia have their systems dialed to be user-friendly above everyone else. Also I found it interesting and not surprising that Hyundai/Kia, according to Matt Moran Motors, do ventilated seats really well--better than Matt's wife's Mercedes apparently! If this is all true, it seems to me in fact that the Hyundai/Kia value proposition has stepped beyond a simple dollar and cents calculation, (we're cheaper and have better warranties) and are now producing vehicles that are actually better from a day to day livability point of view as well.

[@morg4620]

Love this Kia and it has what I miss from cars of today, that good old fashion handbrake

[@Yondaily]

Noooo vw gli good car

[@morg4620]

Facts. Still prefer those handbreaks

[@theodorekell]

I did not drive this particular car but I sat in it. It was enough to try operating MT/clutch in the standing car to say that this is not good. Not shifter, not clutch. Clutch - too light. I drove same setup in 2017 in ELantra sport. Clutch had bad uptake, early off the floor. Nothing close to Mazda or VW. So, while this gives you MT option, it is not good one at that. In a standing car VW GTI shifter/clutch feel the best. Si, is a little off, behind VW/Mazda , however, way better than Kia/Hyundai

[@Ichibuns]

The manual Forte GT can be a bit of trouble to find. I bought it in Black but if you have a very specific color in mind. You will likely be driving a long distance or wait for an order to be fulfilled. I actually couldn't find any of the DCT variant with the GT2 package. It's also worth noting that while the manual cant get all the options on the GT2. It does come with more than the basic DCT. As far as options go, it sits right between the DCT GT and the DCT GT2. That's why it costs a bit more.

[@t.k.morris]

Which drives better, the Forte GT with manual or the Elantra GT N Line with manual?

[@fanofccrowns]

I think rear air and rear cupholder armrests are such small details but are such a premium selling point. Creature comforts keep it up KIA!

[@67tomcat]

Don't care for a DCT, a manual is far more fun! Great review as always.

[@basementality4924]

Interesting that the manual is more expensive yet has alot less driver safety features and just features in general. I wonder why.

[@khrisjared1]

Good review but it is so hard to find a forte gt2 package.😭😭😭

[@Ichibuns]

You pretty much have to order them. The downside is that most of the dealer discounts are voided when you don't buy a car that's sitting on the lot.

[@lionsboxingandmedia6864]

See there's that negative tag some of these reviewers keep putting on Kia that plays into the negative perception of Kia. " Budget". Why not replace that with "Affordable". Great car and despite the description, a good review.

[@historymjh]

Alex, I enjoy your reviews, but you have a big error here when talking about the specs on the manual transmission model. The MT version does include many of the features you can only get on the GT2 package with the DCT, including the sunroof, Harmon Kardon stereo, blind spot monitoring, and lane-keep assist. That's why the MT model costs more than the DCT, unless you add the GT2 package to it. That said, I gave this car a long look before opting for a Civic Si. For me a MT was non-negotiable, and when Honda added adaptive cruise to the 2020 Si, that clinched it for me, and I couldn't be happier. But if I were looking for a car with a DCT, I would definitely consider the Kia GT2. Although, when I was shopping I found it annoying that nearly all the GT2s on the lots came with the summer tires. I understand why some would want them, but living in the NE USA I would have no interest in the added expense of buying all-seasons on my own, or buying and switching out with winter tires twice a year.

[@M4B21S88]

Damn, all the GT2 in your area came with summer tires? SMH, my GT2 w/ DCT came with A/S....lol...I think they're standard in the GT2 w/ the manual. Could be wrong, though.

[@AIDAHAR210]

The manual actually is a lot better suited for this car than an auto, being a compact with mid range power, and better suited for cornering instead of a straight line dragster. I also managed 0 to 60 in 6 seconds flat with my manual GT

[@Bondovw]

I was all hung ho to buy a civic si . The Honda dealers all played games with me and acted like they were selling a Ferrari. I test drove the forte gt and really liked it. It didn't look like a 16 year old kids car. But when I drove it something just lacked compared to the civic. I tried to make a deal to buy it and we were within $2000 but the dealer wouldn't budge. Then by random chance I drove a new jetta GLI. I now have a gli s on my driveway. It blows the kia and honda away .

[@curtisfisher1028]

Damm bro I'm sorry that happened man, the Forte gt is amazing, I have a grey one stock vs honda civic si I beat em all day. The gli has 28 more hp and consider the forte gt has stage 1 stage 2 tune 240-270 300-340 on a 2900 pound car 🤯🤯🤯

[@curtisfisher1028]

I paid 26k for mine and let's be honest I saved money and have better performance than the honda civic si and I can tune the car

[@curtisfisher1028]

And when you drive the forte gt in dual clutch mode, your driving slow while hitting the gas petal downshift the gears from the paddle and watch it kick

[@peterjordan2738]

Appears the Forte has the BEST value in this segment

[@Yondaily]

No way vw is better

[@MegaNinjaMonkeyZord]

Will it loose more value after typical 3 years than Civic i would say yes, it may be worth more than VW though

[@WKaznartist]

I would recommend the Civic Si for the resale value. My 19' Forte EX launch edition was quoted $15k when I still owed $20k. Car Max low balled me the most, $11k. One Ford dealership quoted $13k.

[@scottpaasch7350]

@@WKaznartist My bone stock Optima LX was bought for 19,970 in. 2012 and I got 4500 for a trade in on this car. I dont think that was bad after 8 years 70K miles on it.

[@WKaznartist]

@@scottpaasch7350 That doesn't sound like a bad trade value. But my Forte had 2 warranty repairs/replacements: transmission (took 2 months) and engine overheating. Maybe that is the reason.

[@2010ngojo]

I mean, if you're just driving it for 3 years? Sure. But you'll lose a lot of money either way.

[@truckercowboyed2638]

Lose*

[@ytube777]

manuals are the more expensive option. truely these are the end times. :(

[@SweetLou0523]

ytube777 not only that, but they are more expensive while also having less features. The DCT with the GT2 package is fully loaded and still cheaper. I wish car companies offered the manuals with the goodies as well. I want to row my own gears and have heated/cooled seats and the tech stuff too. I just don’t get it. Everything else is identical, all they have to do is plug in the manual instead of the auto, why does there need to be a total package difference for that?

[@enriquenunezelorza9847]

Manual is cheaper has almost all the options of the GT2 package and only costs 500 more than the non gt2 version.

[@fromisheon4867]

My 2020 Kia Forte GT with manual comes with blindspot monitor, power sun roof, Karmen Stereo system. I don't why he said it doesn't come with those as a standard in manual.

[@stephenhendricks103]

There's a reason for that. KIA's business model has long been to find the sweet spot in terms of consumer preferences and manufacture vehicles that meet that demand and contain costs through the economics of volume production. Further dealers HATE having vehicles sit on lots for extended periods until they're finally sold at steep discounts. A manufacturer as two choices: (a) charge more for small volume production of MT's or (b) limit the MT to lower trim levels where the hit on a dealer's flooring charges and profits are minimized. KIA and other manufacturers don't abandon (or nearly abandon) MT's because they fail to see demand for them. It's quite the opposite.

[@ileref]

This is one of those cars that I really hope it sells and gives Kia more incentive to keep improving and making sporty inclined cars. If I had a spare $25k I’d get one

[@Yondaily]

Vw gli perfect car

[@curtisfisher1028]

Ur right its perfect I have the grey one I kill honda civic si's and there's a stage 1 stage 2 tune

[@santiagovallesteros2693]

por que no lo venden en las concesionarias de Peru???

[@Dirtyboxer1]

I've had to convert from manuals to automatics for two reasons. First, I live in stop-and-crawl traffic and manuals suck in that kind of driving. Either you're slipping the clutch or constantly engaging it, neither of which is good. Second, using a clutch just plain hurts courtesy of a poorly repaired ankle. I think of it as the gift that keeps on giving. When I get out, my leg's on fire and I can barely walk. I wish it weren't the case, because fun cars are supposed to be manuals.

[@Bondovw]

You get a pass for medical reasons.

[@twoface696]

I bought one in November 2019 with the GT2 package, but mine does not come with dual-climate zone control. I didn't think much of it at the time because the Kia website says that it doesn't come with one, or at least it said that at the time. Kinda wish mine had dual-zone climate control.

[@baggerbro1726]

I encountered the same thing! I purchased mine in November of last year. Other than that I love the car.

[@scottpaasch7350]

Mine also did not come with dual zone climate control. Odd that all the testers have them but the one being bought does not. Redline review of this car also had dual zone. Did Kia make special editions for the testers?@@baggerbro1726

[@refrigeratoroven]

Wonder if Alex can ask his Kia contact what happened here, why only testers got Dual Zone, and if they plan to offer it at a later date?

[@stephenhendricks103]

On a separate topic. I really appreciate Alex' references to dual clutch transmissions as "automated manuals." It's both technically accurate and a very useful distinction compared to conventional torque converter automatic transmissions and CVT's. Over multiple decades I had never been without at least one manual transmission vehicle in my garage until I purchased a GTI with its DSG in 2013. When I replaced that MK6 GTI with a MK7.5 version I didn't hesitate to opt for a dual clutch transmission again. I find it to be an ideal compromise between the control I can exercise when I place the transmission in manual mode and the performance and convenience of allowing the DSG "robot" to do the shifting when I choose.

[@sharedknowledge6640]

One of your better reviews. On top of being way more expensive, the VW is the one to choose if you like driving loaner cars from your dealer while they try to fix the frequent annoying problems with your Jetta. My friends who own recent VW vehicles have had multiple unscheduled dealer visits and they either drink the VW kool aid and believe the myth of superior German engineering or they never want to own another German car again. The Mazda 3 looks great but sadly is lacking in multiple other ways. If Kia put their new wet clutch, or even a conventional automatic, in this car I’d likely buy one. But the dry clutch transmission is so bad there’s a class action suit against Hyundai and Kia over all the problems. And where I live there’s lots of traffic so a manual isn’t a great option either. It’s really frustrating the choices for vehicles in this class are all seriously flawed. But kudos to Kia and Hyundai for at least still developing new sedans when most American manufacturers have abandoned the segment entirely.

[@ALMX5DP]

What about comparison with the Civic Sport liftback? Down on power, but manual and auto available and I think has a similar pricing structure as this Forte GT.

[@felipeburns4233]

Weird, my manual Forte GT has a sunroof, blind spot monitoring, wireless phone charger, Harmon Kardon radio 8 speaker with a powered subwoofer, and rear parking warning, . Alex must not have realised that you do get a partial premium package with the manual. Just not heated/cooled/power/full pleather seats or adaptive cruise control.

[@kyrostheduelist]

The Gt is so fun to drive. I've been driving mine now for a month. So happy. If you drive it you may buy it.

[@paulriccio5333]

I traded in my GLI for it. I just wish the sport mode would stay engaged. It doesn't on the manual GT anyways. I don't miss much from the GLI. Especially don't miss the awful VW company

[@juanmacias9371]

@@paulriccio5333 I am between buying the GT and GLI. What makes VW awful? Thanks

[@xianshep]

Stick shift and rear-seat vents: get 'em while you can.

[@doccyber]

Over 200 hps? Yes, 201😉

[@JakeRoot]

I don't understand the comments about the transmission at all. No mention of there being a manual on-screen, and you go to great lengths to explain why Kia put a DCT in it.

[@AAutoBuyersGuide]

Because less than 2% of new cars have a manual transmission in the USA and even when it comes to performance cars the vast majority of shoppers choose automatics.

[@JakeRoot]

@@AAutoBuyersGuide but that's for the industry as a whole. The Forte GT segment has a much higher manual take rate (the GTI is around 40%). I get your point about the automatic selling more, and I appreciate Kia offering the DCT. But barely mentioning the manual is short-sighted when you consider how receptive this segment generally is to that gearbox (as a whole), and I feel like this video may mislead people into thinking that a manual isn't offered based on the graphics on-screen.

[@Yourleftismyright88]

Man I really hope they bring the wagon here in the states.