Is This The Most Lax Guardian Of The Tudor Period?

Is This The Most Lax Guardian Of The Tudor Period? | Lady Agnes Howard

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Agnes Howard would be connected to Tudor history forever by, oddly, not being involved. As guardian to many wards, including the future queen, Katherine Howard, Agnes was less-than-hands-on. Her poor handling of Katherine's teenage urges would lead to the traumatic death of a young girl, and the devastation of the Howard family. But is this all there was to Agnes? This video looks at Agnes' life, from her years as a young bride married into the political Howard family, to her time as a wealthy widow at court, and her fateful decisions regarding her step-granddaughter, Katherine.
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@altinaykor364 2 ай бұрын

Agnes Howard being spared from execution during Henry VIII's reign, due to her age Margaret Pole: "Are You Kidding Me?!"

@Ravenproctor2966 2 ай бұрын

I believe her punishment was disgrace and banishment from court.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 ай бұрын

Right? This made me laugh, though. 😂 I think it was just a matter of catching Henry on a 'good day', if there was such a thing. Plus in Margaret's case, Henry really wanted her son Reginald, but couldn't get at him. In Agnes' case, he had his pound of flesh by executing Katherine Howard and Jane Boleyn.

@madelinevanderbunny607 2 ай бұрын

I love how focused on female people of importance especially in the medieval and early modern periods this channel is. Thank yóu

@leeannproctor47 2 ай бұрын

That's the gospel truth.

@lilacgirl-z8w 2 ай бұрын

I love learning about medieval women.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 ай бұрын

You're welcome! Thank you for being here and enjoying the channel. 😊 I do throw the odd man in here and there, but honestly, there isn't nearly enough on the women alongside them.

@alphooey 2 ай бұрын

Always had a soft spot for Anne of Cleves. Henry “I want an annulment” Anne “Yes Your Majesty”. Anne backs away slowly making no sudden moves.

@goeegoanna 2 ай бұрын

It is beginning to seem to me that the moral of most of these stories is that one should be wary of greed and be vigilant (if not afraid) of charismatic and powerful men and the women who chase them, for neither will do one much good, in the long run, especially if you too are a woman. Fascinating as always, thank you.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 ай бұрын

There certainly is a pattern to human behaviour here, isn't there? 😂Certainly now I think we're coming to embrace the understanding of 'red flags', but of course at the time (and for centuries afterwards) a lot of those traits were confused with romantic notions.

@lilacgirl-z8w 2 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeople why did noblewomen allow their husbands to mistreat them.

@alphooey 2 ай бұрын

Must admit if Henry had started to show interest in you at court, drooling slightly might be a good idea.

@monicacall7532 2 ай бұрын

I have always wondered about the back story of Agnes Howard. Thank you for bringing it to light.

@Ravenproctor2966 2 ай бұрын

I wonder what her relationship to Anne Boleyn was like?

@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 ай бұрын

You're welcome! I hope it was enjoyable and informative. 😊

@helpinyerdasellavon 2 ай бұрын

Beautiful history video on Lady Agnes Howard. Fascinating work. Thank you ❤👍🏻

@lilacgirl-z8w 2 ай бұрын

Have Lady Agnes's papers survived.

@deanvrabl 2 ай бұрын

I was waiting for video about Agnes Howard, Duchess of Norfolk. TY

@Ravenproctor2966 2 ай бұрын

I didn't know what her first name was until now.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 ай бұрын

Glad to oblige! I hope you enjoyed it. 😊

@kellyshomemadekitchen 2 ай бұрын

I love this narrator and truly think she’s the best female narrator on KZbin!

@lilacgirl-z8w 2 ай бұрын

She's definitely a pro.

@gingercatqueen4368 2 ай бұрын

24 estates?! 😮 dude. That’s insane.

@clancyalexander6192 2 ай бұрын

This is a great video. I know some about Henry VIII and his six wives but learning about their families is fascinating. As colorful of a person as she was, I'm surprised there hasn't been a biopic about her. Well not totally surprised given sexism.

@Ravenproctor2966 2 ай бұрын

I feel the same as well.

@lfgifu296 2 ай бұрын

For the question (I did ask it last week but the next day so I don’t think you saw it), if you could put two historical figures in a locked room together, who would they be and why? Tbh idk who I’d put in there, but I think it’d be for somewhat comedic motives- imagine Charles II and Henry VI in the same room, for example😭

@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 ай бұрын

I'm so sorry if I missed it! It's the summer holidays here, so I'm juggling work while watching my little boy, and so I'm not able to check my comments as often. Apologies! But I've caught it this time. 😂 Ooh, it would definitely have to be for comedic motives. No question. The idea of Charles II and Henry VI is hilarious; they would start out all polite and regal, and then Charles would crack a sexual innuendo and Henry would just get triggered. Eventually Henry would try to give him a lecture, but halfway through falls into a catatonic state.😂😂😂 I think I'd choose...Henry VIII and Sigmund Freud, to try and work through the king's several problems. I reckon that would be pretty good. Either all of Henry's problems and trauma are solved, or Freud comes out a nervous wreck. Either way, I would pay good money to see that.

@RobertTycenHauser 2 ай бұрын

Wonderful as usual thank you so much !!!

@leeannproctor47 2 ай бұрын

Has anyone wonder if Agnes was the duke of Norfolk's mistress before being his wife?

@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 ай бұрын

Honestly, with the speed with which they married after Elizabeth's death, I think there at the least there must have been an emotional affair and attraction going on.

@lilacgirl-z8w 2 ай бұрын

Still wouldn't surprise me if the duke also cheated on Agnes.

@FatcatandFriends 14 күн бұрын

New sub! What a GREAT CHANNEL!!

@teambeining 2 ай бұрын

You know the minute he gets out, he’ll be back at it.

@lilacgirl-z8w 2 ай бұрын

Who are you talking about?

@jypsywith_a_jae7575 2 ай бұрын

I feel like Agnes was a Taurus. Silver in the house in excess. Very comfortable residence(s)? I can relate.

@lfgifu296 2 ай бұрын

Good title hehe- Idk her side of the story- yet👀- but I can’t but blame her for her lack of supervision. She did have a ton of wards, and at an old age too, but if she couldn’t take proper care of all of them, then maybe shouldn’t have taken them on🥲

@DarthDread-oh2ne 2 ай бұрын

Hi friend ! How are you ?

@Figgatella 2 ай бұрын

She was grandmother to Katharine Howard, so maybe that is why.

@leeannproctor47 2 ай бұрын

Her responsibility of blame we'll never really know.

@lfgifu296 2 ай бұрын

@@DarthDread-oh2ne Hello! I’m well, hope you are too. Any new documentaries you’ve been watching?

@DarthDread-oh2ne 2 ай бұрын

@@lfgifu296 While its not a documentary, I just got done watching a video of the adopted black son of Peter the great.

@madelinevanderbunny607 2 ай бұрын

Thanks!

@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! It's very much appreciated. 😊

@MichelleBruce-lo4oc 2 ай бұрын

Hi, awesome live history video. I enjoyed it. How are you doing? How is the weather where you are? I'm doing well. and so is my cat Benjamin. He'll be eight years old next month. We have a heatwave in Ontario, Canada . In the next video in the future could you do Anne Seymour. She was the wife of Edward Seymour and sister in law to Henry, the eighth third wife, Queen Jane Seymour. In the 16th century . Have a great day. See you next video 😊

@Ravenproctor2966 2 ай бұрын

All I know of Anne Seymour is what I saw on the tudors.

@lilacgirl-z8w 2 ай бұрын

I wouldn't mind learning the truth about this woman.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 ай бұрын

Hi Michelle! I'm doing okay, just trying to get through the summer holidays while my little boy is off school, haha! We've finally got the same weather, it's super hot here (for us), and sunny. And I'm glad Benjamin and you are doing well too! Poor Mallard probably wishes I would shave all of her fur off, she's too hot and keeps snoozing. I will definitely add Anne Seymour to my list, thank you for another great suggestion. 😊

@debbralehrman5957 Ай бұрын

Thanks👍🏼👍🏼

@giltineful 2 ай бұрын

With the exemption of Anne Dacre Howard, I always had a feeling that these Howard wives weren't very motherly or, like Elisabeth Stafford Howard, were rejected even by their own children. Maybe it was due to children dying young (so no point to get attached) or them being hosted in other noble families or that their eduçation was often delegated to tutors or governesses, I think these women themselves didn't receive many attention from their parents.

@theoriginaltoba 2 ай бұрын

8:06 Henry and Anne married secretly because Anne WAS pregnant as she was getting older so she got pregnant so Henry was forced to marry her to make his heir legitimate, getting rid of his hesitancy. 8:26 Henry and Anne married publicly on the 25th of January 1533, and their marriage was annulled in May. It wasn’t a few days difference.

@joshuaowensjr8694 2 ай бұрын

Can u a video on Anne of Bohemia and Joan of Navarre and Catherine of Valois. Richard II, Henry IV and V wives?

@Nami_ee 2 ай бұрын

Trying to look at your book recommendations on your blog but can’t seem to get the links to work :/ Do you have any good ones to recommend? Always on the look out for more forgotten people in history especially women! Really enjoying you videos, I’m working on a history degree at the moment so nice to see videos that are based on facts and research ❤️

@leeannproctor47 2 ай бұрын

Wonder what princess mary really felt about the Howards.

@lilacgirl-z8w 2 ай бұрын

Is there a biography of Agnes Howard?

@maishaahmed915 2 ай бұрын

I recommend "Anna, Duchess of Cleves," a biography that uses German records to dispel the myths surrounding her annulment.

@Nami_ee 2 ай бұрын

@@maishaahmed915 oh that sounds interesting! Gonna look in to that right away, thank you for the recommendation ☺️ She is such an interesting historical person thanks again!!

@LorH1 2 ай бұрын

Another great video and a very interesting women. I did not know that she was a lady in waiting. Could you please consider doing a shortish video naming each lady in waiting under henrys 6 wifes? You dont have to go into their life history,but maybe along the lines of their name, family connection and where they were from for example England,maybe a city or Spanish and how long they were they were a lady in waiting?.. something along those lines please.

@desstanbridge8283 2 ай бұрын

Knowing Catherine's rampant deviations Agnes should have quickly married her off. Lots of children and wards to look after Agnes was probably comfortable that they were taken care of and more interested and busy with other affairs.

@MsJubjubbird 2 ай бұрын

Henry and Frances should also have been moved to other households.

@MsJubjubbird 2 ай бұрын

I think she just didn't take anything seriously, and that rubbed off on Katherine. Henry and Francis should have been dismissed as soon as she knew about their flirtation. She should definitely have intervened in Katherine's engagement and bargaining with Francis was reckless.

@Romdormer 2 ай бұрын

Probably didn't want the gossip and it's reflection on the marriageability of Katherine.

@MsJubjubbird 2 ай бұрын

@@Romdormer the gossip was already there. The gossip from a servant was what brought Katherine down in the end. If Agnes had dismissed Henry then they could have gotten away with it, as Katherine didn't sleep with him. She should have just gotten a serious lecture on decorum. Could have even married Katherine off if there were concerns after Francis. That Katherine then went and had at least an emotional affair with Thomas said she didn't realise what a serious game this was either.

@teambeining 2 ай бұрын

How does a “Lady in Waiting” work? Do they move to the castle for a time? Is it only for special events? It’s all confusing to this American.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 ай бұрын

It's a good question! I can't answer so much for nowadays, but certainly in the 16th century, yes and no. 😅 A lady-in-waiting would be expected to live with the household as she had to help with day-to-day duties, but she would have periods where she returned home for giving birth, for example. Their husbands would also be at court in attendance, so there would have been either (depending on the country and time) apartments at the royal residences, or their own properties close to court. The nature of a lady-in-waiting developed over time as well to include a more political role (albeit one that was less obvious than a man's political role), so there were also times she might be trusted with carrying a message internationally, and this would also create a short time away from her household.

@lilacgirl-z8w 2 ай бұрын

@@HistorysForgottenPeoplefor the king it was a breeding ground for adultery .

@lilacgirl-z8w 2 ай бұрын

Were the Howard family descendants of royalty?

@Nicholas-mi2vt 2 ай бұрын

Can you do a video on doreathea jordan the mistress of William iv

@leeannproctor47 2 ай бұрын

I would like to see that too.

@lilacgirl-z8w 2 ай бұрын

William iv did Doreathea Jordan wrong.

@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 ай бұрын

That's a great suggestion! Thank you, I'll add her to my list. 😊

@SSRT_JubyDuby8742 2 ай бұрын

Like deployed 👍

@HistorysForgottenPeople 2 ай бұрын

Thank you as always, it's much appreciated! 😊

@christyb2912 2 ай бұрын

She was 20 marrying a man of 54...

@Ravenproctor2966 2 ай бұрын

You think that's gross 20 was considered old and 13 considered old enough to be married off and expected to consummate the marriage.

@MsJubjubbird 2 ай бұрын

That was actually normal for the time. Margaret Beaufort's second husband was a lot older. So was Mary Tudor's first husband. princess Mary was initially betrothed to the older emperor.