Is This The Most Predatory PC Game Ever?

[@TheDom845]

Paying to use chat is absolutely wild

[@dotEXCEI_]

Who wants to use chat in 2024? Its just brainrot galore in almost every game these days. Might as well main twitter😂

[@CrisURace]

i would have never imagined i'd pay for SMS ever again 😂😂😂

[@TomOtomanski]

Nikita is busy screaming at the Devs asking why they didn't think of that first

[@roller12coaster]

You can chat for free, just not unlimited in world chat

[@Psydvckthefirst]

⁠​⁠@@dotEXCEI_so your argument is: who wants to “communicate and connect” on the “internet”? Which was created literally for this.😅

[@tobcyxob]

A Chinese ripoff cashgrag game turned out to be a cash grab. Shocking.

[@madaofan7378]

It was obvious from the start, don't know why people were hyped for this game

[@iamcll]

@@madaofan7378 literally just to spite tarkov when the unheard shit happened, Like a flock of morons jumping from one bad situation to another while purposefully ignoring what it is...

[@mjay6245]

​@iamcll It's not stupid to hope for better when BSG pull illegal shit like that. I knew it was too good to be true just because the game was Chinese and had stolen assets, but it doesn't mean I don't wish it was able to put Nikita in his greedy ass place.

[@BOFH_]

@@mjay6245 It's perfectly fine to hope for better, but you need to be aware of who you are expecting to deliver that better thing. A Chinese cash-grab game by Tencent ain't it.

[@paininthepatoot]

I know right? Who would have thouught.

[@MeoithTheSecond]

Arena Breakout: Your Credit Card. 😄

[@n1mble470]

yall acting like its the first game to do that, game is actually fun for me, you can get millions of koens worth tens of euros each day without paying, you can still get highest gear in the game by just playing, and its not that grindy tbh, tarkov is grindier.

[@johnnygloria6508]

Yes we know you had breakfast this morning ​@n1mble470

[@Theodris]

​@@n1mble470 Nah, we really aren't. No one thinks they are the first. Doesn't mean we shouldn't call em' out and poke fun at them for it.

[@jaeaustin7362]

@@n1mble470so you're ok if every game does this?

[@dankbonkripper2845]

@@n1mble470 tarkov is grindier for quests, you know the things that give you stuff. Tarkov rewards you looting and surviving FAR more. ABI is way more grindy in that regard.

[@mitellium]

Remember with the tarkov drama when arena breakout made that tweet 'atleast we wont ever scam our playerbase'

[@karnliberated8891]

Then they pull a tarkov and try to change the definition of the word "scam" by saying they told you up front the costs 😂

[@jessecraft1199]

It’s predatory as hell, but how is this a scam? They still have more integrity than BSG. ABO is honest about what you’re getting, I’ll never play it but I appreciate they haven’t scammed and then insulted their customers like Nikita

[@chanoslesi]

​@@jessecraft1199 lmao abi has more integrity than BSG?? coming from beta with no microtransations and even mentions that abi devs will look into not spoling the game with p2w microtransactions into a garbage dumpster fire where "owning" the best versions of the game for a year costs more than being a brainrotten true beliver XD

[@m4ndoz]

@@chanoslesithey're both dogshit companies. One is actively scamming long term players and the other is a free-to-play game with a scummy p2w scheme. No need to defend either of these fuckers.

[@karnliberated8891]

@@jessecraft1199 You need to do more critical thinking tbh. Lets say you go to fill your car with gas. Gas is so cheap thank you tencent, theyre looking out for drivers unlike BPSG. Then you find out theyre lowering the efficiency of cars to burn more fuel. Thats exactly whats going on here.

[@g00bergob94]

This company really looked at all the hype about the potential of this game that said "nahhh" and threw it all away for these absurd microtransactions.

[@Swarm509]

The crazy thing is that they will still make a killing on this game. I've played enough F2P games, even with extremely small player bases, to see the whales will go nuts for everything if they enjoy the game. Reddit/X/KZbin may be mad but the people who will play will never watch or look at those.

[@SubjectiveFunny]

They will make money, they don't care. P2W is popular for a reason. I won't touch this game, but enough will. Such is life.

[@gennrensalot109]

Yup, they don’t care that their game won’t be beloved by the community because they’re gonna make so many millions off of this. From an investment standpoint it’s a great business model, if you don’t mind being a disgusting business pig..

[@teabulls]

its a chinese game.

[@rummonekyz4645]

all those Asians will pay crazy bread anyway same with the euros

[@quietintensity7474]

Isn't it funny and ironic that Arena was one of the first to talk smack about Tarkov after the Unheard situation but now here we are with Arena lmao

[@nawlfr]

Yup. People of that origin don't care about consumers 9/10 times, and talk out of their ass for some cash.

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

We KNEW it was going to be filled with micro transactions. How is it predatory?

[@nawlfr]

@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk Because the lead of the studio behind this game said in an interview that they were taking extra care to ensure there would be no pay to win. Which was a straight up deceitful lie

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

@@nawlfr im winning and haven’t paid a dime

[@nawlfr]

@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk Yeah but I could drop $200 and smoke your ass that's the problem.

[@RealKacho]

"unheards such a scam" arena breakout enters the chat

[@spool616]

For 10 text lines

[@FoxWJK]

The whole unheard thing was scummy of them to do but at the end of the day I have put 4000 hours into tarkov and threw the devs and extra 50 to upgrade *shrug*

[@Zanith50]

Plot twist BSG made breakout via shell company and made it worse then eft on purpose so we love eft regardless of how predatory they become and how many promises they break (you sheeple forgot that nikita said no microtransactions then they add them........) trust is broken fuck tarkov fuck breakout fuck nikitas lies fuck russia

[@anderoo9260]

@@FoxWJK well I didn't put 400 hours in, I've put in 150 hours and if I want a more relaxed experience I need to pay 250? Fuck that I'll wait till modders reverse engineer the pve from unheard so bots aren't as braindead, and play modded sp tarkov lmaoo

[@deaDParrot88]

Predatory micro transactions in a Chinese game no way?!

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

If 20 cents to use chat is predatory when voip is available you can keep crying about it

[@deaDParrot88]

@@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk I’ve never played the game, lol I’m sure it’s a gem

[@trenaceandblackmetal5621]

-11 social credit

[@deaDParrot88]

@@trenaceandblackmetal5621 lol

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

@@deaDParrot88 You really should try it out sometime. I would even join you for a few raids to show you the ropes.

[@snackette]

No way BSG and Arena Breakout competing for shittest monitazation tactics now.

[@unkon129]

Lmao

[@rikus6201]

i mean unheard edition is not even close being shit as this subscription based bs

[@DeRealNiko]

communist fighting communist

[@unkon129]

@@DeRealNiko do u even know who a communist is? lol there is a difference between greedy game developers and fucking commies bro

[@jimson4806]

Bsg ain’t even bad, what’s bad is they said they wasn’t going to do something then done it

[@burstingolem8023]

UBISOFT TACO SHOe 8:30

[@the-yomma]

This

[@VamanaPrime]

Now this is the reason to keep living

[@NoMainFlex]

I heard "Your just soft taco shell" but i like yours better

[@lungsfull]

imagine making people pay to chat in global chat, crazy

[@lungsfull]

wait till they add the gacha system and 400 dollar skins plus melee skins with different stats

[@GiRR007]

I mean you aren't really supposed to be chatting in a game like this anyway so meh.

[@libertusprimus]

Imagine not having VOIP for.. 7 or was it 8 yrs? Imagine having netcode issues. Imagine waiting 20 mins to get in raid. Imagine having to rebuild your gun cos the UI locked up and sent you back to main menu. Imagine having broken AI. Should I keep going?

[@Cluxiu]

​@@GiRR007 yeah but its still insane that it exists

[@eskiloide]

Imagine paying 100+€ for a game that after 7/8 years is still not finished and full of bullshit issues 😂

[@GabeTheGrump]

Being this greedy is unheard of.

[@z_wulf]

Nah this is fucked. I won't be playing it if it's like this.

[@michalob21]

Cry harder lol

[@josiahkepley]

@@z_wulf well it's like this, so time to uninstall

[@killaclutch4208]

Facts I knew this game was gonna do some off the wall stuff to make money

[@Raidur1]

@@michalob21 Your other comment calling Pest a communist is hilariously ironic, considering this game is headed by… communists.

[@bigzlowered]

This is how all games are, including TARKOV and have been since the days of Diablo 2 and Runescape, but they are removing the step of going through a shady website to enter your CC info. If they add a way to cash out or sell your in game currency for real money, that could be a game changer. Yes it cost's money to play the game, but you are also able to make money while playing. Real Money Marketplace days of D4.

[@soldj4321]

Thank you Pestily for highlighting this, I was excited for Arena Breakout Infinite but as you mentioned this predatory business model is not fair.....nor should it be allowed. It's the equivalent of EAs money grabbing attempt with Battlefront 2 and the lootboxes. What a shame, they pretty much did EXACTLY what Tarkov did with money grabbing changes of Unheard Edition which led to ABI hype train.....how ironic

[@soldj4321]

This ABI blunder is going to bring more people to Tarkov now

[@eliyoung9406]

What are these unheard editions and abi hype trains?

[@eliyoung9406]

Oh arena breakout infinite

[@eliyoung9406]

But what is this unheard edition?

[@user-mb5gw9ou9l]

I hope these micro transactions runs these business bankrupt from everyone boycotting. This is out of control in the gaming world

[@Furthi]

mobile gets milked so hard in terms of microtransactions. I hope PC and console will keep clean and people wont accept stuff like this.

[@thepjup4507]

the countries that are the main demographic take these types of games extremely seriously, your account is somewhat like having a nice watch or car. they WILL make money, and a lot of it. maybe not from the US market, but that's not their only, or main market.

[@anselmojones4392]

Tencent isn't ever going to go bankrupt lol

[@martinszymanski2607]

nobody's boycotting it tho, even western games/franchises like cod do a lot of this garbage and the players are always too spineless to actually stop paying, they just complain but the money keeps rolling in regardless.

[@p4nnus]

@@thepjup4507 Youre right, and this is why us, in the western market, need to vote with our wallets.

[@gnkVLCT]

paying for a temporary item, plus paying more just so you can "communicate" (also for a limited amount of time)? fuck that. who pays for this shit. try telling somebody about this scheme 15-20yrs ago, real gamers (not this modern day "gamer" shit) would call you crazy.

[@Dante_S550_Turbo]

predatory gaming started 21 years ago with maple story, just an fyi. We had shit gamers buying nonsense back then to.

[@Arrekzu]

NEXON games have been doing this for years. Combat Arms, Maplestory, The First Descendant all do this shit.

[@gnkVLCT]

@@Dante_S550_Turbo I've not heard of that, so meh. Not a big thing as it has been for the past 5-10yrs? I feel lucky to not know about this shit.

[@dongriffith2662]

@@gnkVLCT communicate things have been used since the first mmo. Your age is showing

[@gnkVLCT]

Maybe I don't play enough garbage. I feel so privileged. I come from a time when we had two telephone lines....so whatever age that means? Seriously, have people not heard of TeamSpeak, ventrilo? Why the hell would you pay to speak.

[@cjaskew_18]

It’s so funny watching someone who plays Tarkov trying to explain a game exactly like Tarkov without using Tarkov terms or explanations 😂

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

@@cjaskew_18 i am a militant at heart doesn’t have the same ring to it

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

@@cjaskew_18 I am a scav for life but I do love both games

[@jayc0nn0r]

i played the BETA but aint fucking touching ABI after all these videos i have watched. FUCK MICROTRANSACTIONS

[@balinthehater8205]

Same, i liked the games polish and ease of access but this stuff is just straight up shite.

[@rumenstoynev3888]

don't forget we got one other game with micro transaction or rather MACRO transaction :D

[@Dan____]

This!

[@doc.brown89]

Crazy how people believe all the s*@t so easy, rather experience things fot it selves. Why not just play the game and learn for your own if it is pay to win.

[@MrFearlesskiller]

Lol y'all a bunch of fucking losers eft is pay to win. You dont even need to pay a single cent to play this game and can make millions of roubles without spending a penny

[@ulrohermit1369]

6:14 oh don't worry uncle pestily , our mental gymnastic game is top notch now , we had lots of practice with years of tarkov

[@LegionGamingTV]

$372 for 12 months of play at $31 a month. How bout no Scott.. (Dr.Evil voice)

[@sldX]

The Unheard Edition looks pretty good now all of a sudden doesn't it.

[@dhLotan]

That's the best part to me. They made some jest to BSG on twitter over Unheard Edition price and here they are being the worst offender once they game was ready to be monetized.

[@bornfourthis635]

You feel the need to buy all of the highest value features every month?

[@dhLotan]

@@bornfourthis635 The way most consumers in America function is if they see something they don't agree with being shoved at them, they don't engage at all/tend to boycott the product entirely. It's not about "do I need all these features" but you better bet people are comparing $372 to how much Tarkov charges for equivalent QoL/perks and ABI isn't looking good.

[@Psydvckthefirst]

⁠@@bornfourthis635if Tarkov was bullied for the highest value features that literary 10% of the community owns ABI should be treated the same.

[@BadChadddd]

and they actually ban cheaters which is already better then tarkov

[@okCool51]

Ofcourse they do bud 😂

[@logan62097]

@@okCool51 I haven’t run into a cheater yet, I would run into quite a few in EFT, played that game for well over 1k hours and there was never a time where I’d queue labs and not encounter a blatant hacker. ABI feels smooth and is a fun game, and although I’d prefer they changed the monetization of the game itself, they do ban cheaters and it’s got a good framework. Hopefully they’ll tune down the microtransactions significantly when the full game launches on Steam.

[@elmzsni]

BASED CONTENT; also don't forget strimmer, DELTA FORCE & ABI are both TENCENT... they WANT your money, make NO mistake!

[@ZachFrags]

Delta Force come out and said they won’t be pay to win, you won’t b able to buy in game currency

[@EmilÖquist-w7h]

@@ZachFrags said same about ABI

[@Dante_S550_Turbo]

@@EmilÖquist-w7h no they didn't lmfao mobile players warned everyone and even in the play test you could see the grayed out keychain/ safe container was going to be a timed subscription. we just didn't know the cost.

[@StoneCorazon]

Every company wants your money

[@elmzsni]

@@StoneCorazon obvious statement is obvious… room temp IQ take

[@Dem0n123-w4m]

the 1x2 container can only be "earned" with season points and you buy a 24 hour use of it. AND its limited to 2 purchases a week. So by grinding you can only have a 1x2 container 2 days a week. So the default is no container which imo is a huge problem with ammo prices.

[@CambrienArcadia]

False and lacks information. lol. they range anywhere from 3-30 days both the 1x2 and the 2x2. You also can earn these cases easily from events outside of any battle pass etc.

[@Dem0n123-w4m]

@@CambrienArcadia not on pc atm, hopefully soon.

[@HendoAU]

This game is partly owned by Tencent, so it makes sense that it's loaded up with micro transactions. I already put it onto my Steam ignore list months ago.

[@Mr_jz_12]

as is delta force.

[@SoundConstraints]

Published by tencent

[@Lordcarstein]

Path of Exile is fully owned by Tencent

[@brandynwhittington5909]

Delta Force: HO and ABI are both being made by studios owned by Tencent. I expect nothing less of DF: HO once it gets nearer to release, just like ABI.

[@loganf6517]

If my mate wants to play the game for 10 hours and get ahead, and then I dont have 10 hours to spend playing, I don't see a problem with spending $5 to be able to gear up and play with him in the good lobbies. Put the options in the game and if you dont want to buy them, dont buy them.

[@WarAuthority]

Or just spend $30 and buy tarkov.. where you don't have to pay any amount of money for these silly things.

[@scottm.3901]

Yea but they designed the game to be that way. They made the problem and selling you the solution

[@cosmicdude8282]

​​@@WarAuthorityunless you play mid-late wipe where everyone is so buffed and feels unfair af. Heck not even wipe start is safe, super geared 10+ lvls ahead unheard players are responsible for like 80% of my deads this wipe. Tarkov is also pay to win, but it hides it better, also, you can buy like 20 M with 5-10 dollars in an rmt market, so it's basically the same

[@WarAuthority]

@@cosmicdude8282 Doesn't matter how late you join the party during a wipe. Just as easily wipe players with better gear. You can watch the rats do it all the time. Leg meta or having enough map knowledge to know where people will be makes the most difference. While everyone is circle jerking in early wipe I'm doing night time raids on reserve, stacking those nice ammunition. Doesn't matter if someone ix higher level or has a higher edition. knowing the game, playing well, trumps all that. Plus who want's to get their account banned from rmt?

[@FPSKelly]

This will never not be funny to me. The only reason ABI had a shot at breaking into the market was because of the way BSG fumbled EOD and PVE. Then ABI come in and shoot themselves straight in the foot by playing an even shittier game of bleeding the customer dry which makes BSG look like angels.

[@Tex-18]

I completely see your side of things. I really enjoy the game. It’s very easy to make in game money. I have no issues making money in the game. Do not gamble your money away by buying in game currency.

[@Rondogz]

pestily was so mad he puffed an entire pack of durries before recording...

[@N1CEONE_]

I knew from the start that this is going to end up like this. 🤣 Glad I never tried it.

[@subxi5744]

I craft items using white, purple, and gold loot, then sell those crafted products at a higher price usually 60k profit or more on a single item. I don’t sell anything for less than 30-40k to avoid quickly hitting the weekly market limit. I’ve also extracted 600k from covert ops in a single run. I’ve managed to earn a total of 11M without the game feeling grindy. But I agree with you, the game is teetering on the edge of being predatory, and it’s crucial that it doesn't cross that line. Worst of it is there are cheaters already in almost every match.

[@Era2Sunrise]

If people critique you for your take, they're lost already. This is a very real thing. These companies hire psychologist to construct a game that's makes it more likely for people to spend. They need to get yoz just once for you to drop your barrier thinking that 5 euros here and there isnt bad and then slowly raise prices of some packs or perks.

[@dufflitplaysgames]

This right here. The same can be said for daily log in rewards in games and season passes making you have to grind for new guns in games like cod before the pass ends.

[@Era2Sunrise]

@@dufflitplaysgames Exactly. There used be even a way to make a profit of that. gacha games and other mobile games made it so you had to login 28/30 days to get the very best rewards in the last 2 or 3 days and because of FOMO or what else they made it so the 28 days login bonuses reset every 1st of the month and you were able to buy the missing days or you were forced to at least log in every day. Most games don't have the reset anymore from what I can tell and can't profit off it anymore but that alone is just so predatory. Not surprised these guys went hard on the mtxs.

[@1800LUNATIC]

It really is just like a mobile game. It feels like Mobile Game Tarkov, and the microtransactions back that up too

[@Maves916]

I have about 100 raids in this game never bought a thing doing mostly level 2 gameplay and it’s pretty good tbh. You get extra space from quests and being a of tarkov backer who spent the 140 on it then bought a book for extra wipe items, moreover now tarkov is up to what 260? It’s shocking to hear this level of attacks on this game. I didn’t have to buy edge of darkness to just be at a normal playing field. And now with a higher package, I can spend 15 bucks for 30 days and that’s the normal tarkov wipe life cycle anyways. How long would it take me to catch up to tarkov in breakout over a year of straight paying? Idk seems pretty pot cat black in here.

[@SHINYREDBULLETS]

Having grown up with conputer games (born 1982), its suuuuper disappointing to see how greed has bastardised so many good concepts and franchises

[@GrumpFumbler]

this game is cooked, their mtx model is too aggressive. fuck that!

[@dotEXCEI_]

Ever played games like warthunder? 😂

[@nikolaisuterovich]

@@dotEXCEI_war thunder you can at least grind everything without spending a penny. This you can’t even do that, there are legit items you cannot get unless you pay money that make the experience significantly better

[@n1mble470]

@@nikolaisuterovich nahhh War Thunder is WAYYY grindier than this, i know from experience

[@nikolaisuterovich]

@@n1mble470 Yeah as do I, 1500 hours just on PC and played on xbox and playstation on different accounts as well. The grind is mindless but you can still achieve things without spending any money

[@HlGHENERGY]

@@nikolaisuterovichI have 5000 hours on war thunder and have been playing since 2013. I have many vehicles that you cannot grind out or are extremely expensive on the market. For example, I have the object 279, which last time I checked was hundreds of dollars on the market. Theoretically, it is POSSIBLE to grind events, get coupons, sell those coupons when they go up in value, and purchase things this way, but this is a reach and takes an insanely long time.

[@StuartGray]

It is right up there with Tarkov. You know. The one that sold their most loyal customers a $150 version of the game that included all future DLCs except for the 2nd one, the most requested one. For that they said fuck you. They did not fold because they made a mistake. They did not fold because they saw the error of their ways. They folded because the backlash was to strong. They still believe they were right. They WILL do it again. STOP SUPPORTING THEM.

[@smockytubers1188]

Fuck Tarkov

[@H8ED1]

For the record. Anyone who goes after pes. For his comments on ABI being predatory. Need to go find his video throwing shade at the "unheard edition" on tarkov. He doesn't like any of it.

[@markov622]

Based.

[@kneeelbowtoes]

Its free to play, just play it and don't spend money and if you don't like it then don't play. just don't let it sit rent free in your mind.

[@declancampbell1277]

the reason these companies can continue to pump out heavily monetised slop is because people like you dont speak up about it. the only thing these games respond to is backlash if its strong enough, and lack of profit.

[@_zajlock_6635]

​@@declancampbell1277Have you bought your unspoken edition yet? People like you like to speak up about it 😂

[@declancampbell1277]

@@_zajlock_6635 nope, another pay to win game. Basic addition and i wont bother buying anything else.

[@Wugti]

The crazy part is the product is actually amazing, such a well made game with some of the best quality of life i have ever seen. Could be such a huge game.

[@USConnexion]

Screw this game not playing it

[@porozex3061]

:o ok billy

[@user-mb5gw9ou9l]

So do we have to purchase the game “every 30 days” On top of all the other “30 days” bull$hit 😂 Consumers need to put there foot down and show we are not fools and not standing for this crap

[@hijackdallas6052]

31$ each 30 days for ABI vs 250$ Unheard Edition without taxes in Tarkov... after 8 months, Tarkov stay´s with thier 250$ price tag, while ABI keeps rising and rising...

[@mustangxxmatty3106]

the game is free clown

[@SherLock55]

You don't need to buy anything though, I have been playing and no paid a single cent for the container etc and have plenty of funds and gear, just looting and killing PMC's and taking gear. I hate the micro transactions and obviously won't be buying any but as far as I can tell right now, you don't need to buy anything to get cash and good gear.

[@michalob21]

Why you mad?? Cuz company wanna make money. Y'all don't know what ur even arguing for.

[@adriannv2562]

@@michalob21 pay-2-chat lul

[@haidora9321]

feels good to be right about stuff like this from the very first minute :) tarkov it is for another 7 years :)

[@automatedsoul]

honestly I think people are blowing up the “pay to talk” stuff way too much. I didn’t even know the global chat existed and I’m level 25 lol. The cases/key holders subscription is insane though.

[@HunterAnsorge-ok9jk]

@@automatedsoul i have to pay to use chat in a game called “Day R Survival” a post apocalyptic stalkeresque MMO/SurvivalSim. People are blowing this WAAAAY out of proportion

[@unknown_lazer]

I only use global chat for recruiting equally high geared players, even then I only need to type once then the invites flood in, tbf everything is blown out of proportion, you can grind cash and gear easily without paying, you can buy extra storage from in-game currency you earn from raids, weekly listing limit you hardly go over unless you're unemployed, switch the keys you need for every map, you get the point, I have not spent a dime on this game.

[@BAXBESTIATV]

100% on point. Pay to win bullshit without even mentioning that the devs said they will not do this in the first place. Pathetic

[@tarkovaboriginal]

not gonna defend ABI, the game sucks and all of these things are predatory. However, tarkov is pay-to-win in exactly the same ways, just with one-off purchases. I don't think it's as predatory, but in Tarkov, you also purchase bigger stash space, bigger secure containers, more gear, more flea slots, etc

[@nickw2349]

A per month subscription and a one off forever purchase, that is also earn-able or was earn-able in game is not exactly the same thing. Nor is being able to buy direct currency or fixing the loot algorithm so you need to purchase in game currency to stay competitive even close to being the same.

[@tarkovaboriginal]

@nickw2349 The Gamma container is not earnable in-game, nor is some of the cosmetic additions and the melee weapons. Higher tiers of tarkov DO give you straight up extra money, both directly with USD and Euros and the equipment you start wipe with being sellable for roubles. Would it be better if players couldn't buy AB:I's currency but could buy guns and armour? Not sure where 'fixing the loot algorithm' comes from; Both games handle loot the same way. My point isn't that AB:I isn't predatory, it's that both games are pay-to-win.

[@panzon8141]

it is but in tarkov you can eventually get 3 better containers than the one you get from the standard edition and buy stash space

[@tarkovaboriginal]

​@@panzon8141 The same argument can be made for money. "The 'Koen' in ABI being real-money buyable is not a problem because you can earn Koen by just playing the game!" I'm also pretty sure you earn limited passes to use the better secure containers from finishing quests. Does the fact that you can earn better secure containers in Tarkov make it no longer pay-to-win? The amount of hours you need to grind to get Kappa is unreal. I have not once earned it despite my best efforts. I play consistently for the first 2-4 months of every wipe and have never earned it. It's totally insane that players can buy such a massive head-start, but we're used to it and so nobody really cares. ABI is predatory and pay-to-win. But Tarkov is still pay-to-win in the same ways.

[@nemonas2019]

@@tarkovaboriginal biggest thing is in ABI there is weekly flea limit, so you can sell 500 items per week, which means, if you play a lot, you gonna be fcked by not being able to sell stuff.

[@resolvext]

As an ABI player, I can confirm what this youtuber said is true. If you want to play ABI in F2P mode, you must be extremely careful during in-match, because even if you can do heavy rush, there is a high chance you lose pretty quick by high-gear players. I have about 24 hours in-game duration, and yeah pretty sad when I see almost people in that game brings a high-tier gears, even in the unranked matches. What I can do only now is maintaining the in-game money and be prepared for worst thing in ABI. I can only suggest to have deep understanding in the mechanics and map knowledges, so you won't run out of money easily.

[@resolvext]

Oh and I forget one thing, in ABI you will get some of Bundles after finished events/contacts/weekly mission, PLEASE SAVE IT if you are really going to play F2P mode. Because that is only YOUR LAST RESOURCES when you have zero in-game money.

[@RikuCranel]

They somehow make Tarkov look less pay2win...

[@nicpete492]

tarkov isn't pay to win at all

[@RikuCranel]

@@nicpete492 I suppose you dont win fights by buying the more expensive edition of the game, but having that gamma for example you can get a BIG monetary advantage

[@sergtrufanov5565]

​@@nicpete492gamma is indeed p2w

[@smockytubers1188]

@@nicpete492 idiot

[@c.sec73]

You could have explained a bit more what good gear means. It's all about buying that Golden armor and Golden ammo, which are like what tier 5 or 6 and whoever has weaker armor than your bullets tier, they get destroyed. Whoever has weaker ammo than your armor, they will need to unload even two mags to your chest, just to kill you. While you can down them in two shots with the ammo you purchased for real money.

[@c.sec73]

That said, this game is predatory af. No one should support this crap. Just move on to other games. A pity coz' this game would be otherwise great.

[@felix7690]

and the mobile version of arena breakout never wipes if i remember correctly

[@hanyolo2041]

Neither does this

[@libertusprimus]

So much better lol

[@UpToSpeedOnJaguar]

That's a good thing. Tarkov shouldn't have to wipe to stay good, which is a major flaw of the game, even if it is the OG.

[@austinrey4284]

@@UpToSpeedOnJaguarit’s a good thing for anyone that’s payed real money for in game currency 😂 wipes are good cause they come with new content for tarkov. Everyone is at the same point of the game. Early wipe are the most fun times in tarkov

[@UpToSpeedOnJaguar]

@@austinrey4284 understand I do not think anything about ABI's monetization is good, but also understand Tarkov was never meant to have wipes as a feature. They exist solely to reset the playerbase and continue testing when new content is released. It's actually worrisome that we still don't have any new news on how BSG is going to break the habit.

[@deerstrike1050]

I'm old enough to remember when you bought a game in a box and owned it. The only time you paid more was if they made a expansion for it. Even then it usually was half or less of the cost.

[@p4nnus]

I miss those times.

[@N0ctVrnaL]

So what about BSG not updating netcode and having terrible anti cheat for years just doing “ban waves”. Making a profit off cheaters that make a profit off a percentage of the player base. Paying for keycards and in game money through third party company’s. At least you buy Koen and it goes to the company directly hopefully going toward anti cheat etc. Both wrong in their own ways. But BSG is and has been shady.

[@ST2AFE]

Can someone tell Twitch to stop staring at "20cents for 10 lines of communication" like that, its creeping me out.

[@CssHDmonster]

22$ monthly or 250$ one time, hmmmmmmm

[@BunialskiTrip]

One year of playing ABI vs no limit EFT.

[@CZProductions]

Or just get gud and don't buy MTX lol

[@libertusprimus]

I have 3100 hrs in Tarkov. Even if I CHOSE to pay for the 2x2 box, it's 7.50 a month. I can get 30 months of that for the same price as what I paid for EOD. Talking AUD. If we were talking unheard that's 50 months. Pretty sure I could get 3100hrs out 50 months of playing.

[@MaxusW]

except you can experience all EFT content even with the cheapest version, just gotta grind more. ABI does not have that option..

[@CZProductions]

@@MaxusW The game doesn't wipe and never will. You don't need a secure container on a game that never wipes dude, eventually you'll be so ridiculously rich just from playing that you'll be set. You're not missing out on content because you don't have a big secure container lol

[@JonHeflin]

It’s crazy how a game that stole assets & code from a flagship company turned out to be a predatory knock-off & no-one saw it coming

[@porozex3061]

flagship company and stolen assets :D i love this comment

[@RuanFourieStix]

Nailed it Pest. Good on you for speaking out. Tarkov's $250 edition was gross, but this somehow feels even more gross. ABI should be ashamed.

[@inferno10007]

I can play arena for 5$ a month with what is needed to play even if necessary. So after about 4 or 5 years it should add up to a tarkov. If the game pans out this is preferable to the whole Darth attitude of "pray I do not alter the deal fuether"

[@RuanFourieStix]

@@inferno10007 sounds like copium. Hahaha.

[@Gerbil_World]

This is so sad to hear… I’ve been having a lot of fun playing Arena Breakout Infinite, primarily because I believed it didn’t require me to slave away hours of my day to enjoy it and be competitive (like Tarkov does, but I like Tarkov way more). To see this video and know that my level of fun is controlled and that I WILL reach a wall where I’ll have to fork up money is insane. Why are these companies so predatory 😑

[@kjeldoran38]

Months ago, nearly every Tarkov content creator save Pestily and a few others jumped on the Pay to Win Tarkov bandwagon because they couldn’t grasp the simple concept that BSG was trying to be cash positive and get to release while have a massive server issue. Landmark, other people went to Arena and performed public fellatio on Arena Breakout because of their inability to grasp BSGs issues. Who else saw this coming? Obvious predatory game with a history of being predatory on mobile becomes - predatory? 😮

[@mcspiffington]

cant wait to see how you cuck out when horizon follows suit

[@sekkoth1877]

And Landmark now actually times out people that call Arena P2W in his chat! Really liked watching that dude but nah man! All things end!

[@dankbonkripper2845]

@@sekkoth1877 landmark sucks in general lmao. Hes only good at tarkov. His opinons are dogwater, hes ADHD riddled to the point he cant watch beyond 30 second clips, and has an ego issue the size of fucking everest. No Generals is better in every single way lmao.

[@michaelsilvers1260]

Just because one game is p2w and/or trys to scam their players and another is more so doesn't make the first not p2w and doesn't mean the first didn't scam their players. That's some dumb logic. BSG scammed their EOD players, and tincent scammed everyone.

[@smockytubers1188]

If you think the fact this is also dogshit makes Tarkov look any better, you're stupid.

[@Accuracy158]

The real interesting info wouldn't be how many kits you can buy with a million credits but roughly how much time it would take to consistently make a million credits in game (say after you finish the quests that handing out easy money to get you hooked). Watch it be something like something like $10 or 4 real world hours... Just to incentivize to spend instead of play. So the guy who goes to work for four hours and then drops his money on game is way ahead of the guy who had been playing for those four hours.

[@whitson6777]

The hardest money for any develepor / micro-transaction officionado to get off you is the FIRST amount. DO NOT DO IT!!

[@jdigi411ify]

This is exactly how the mobile version is structured, so I don’t understand why it’s a shock. Thing that really sucks is if they can’t keep cheaters under control you’re potentially losing real money with deaths. Which in turn will sink this game on pc

[@DasInf13]

We wouldn't even be having this conversation if Tarlov hadn't opened the door for them.

[@_Deprecision]

the 1X2 container is free but only obtainable during events, so if you need a container you must pay at least 5 USD

[@PUNISHERMARKO]

People defending this game and saying this is not pay2win... Did you see those items available for ONLY REAL MONEY??!! It can't get more pay2win than that!! get your brain checked!!

[@ThatKidCj23]

You can get those items WITHOUT spending money. Clown

[@porozex3061]

what are the items? ammo? gear?

[@KickmyAndyOG]

Yeah, that's fair 🤷‍♂ I'm having fun atm, but I still feel like there's something missing, like the quests need more objective, the gameplay itself is smooth and it runs nicely, just dunno how long it's gonna last for me. Still playing for free though!! so that's a positive I guess

[@dumbdev9795]

same for me. it seemed nice but it just feels like something was missing. maybe im too used to tarkov intensity or burned out from extraction shooters? idk. after 10 raids i was just bored.

[@Tropoc]

The quests are only there to make you hooked on the game, the lack of content and quests are where you have to choose: huge grind for ingame stuff to sell thats basically worthless compared to the cost of a meta rig or just swipe a credit card and youre gucci until next time you need to swipe.

[@libertusprimus]

​@@dumbdev9795 Sounds like you could use a break in general bud. Maybe try other genres? There's a good series on PestilyTv with 7 days. That's a great game to play when you're bored of other games. Just have fun doing whatever.😅

[@sergtrufanov5565]

I tell you what missing, the soul... Bsg put their souls to locations and environment overall, you can't argue with that. Abi just looks like another call of duty

[@dumbdev9795]

@@libertusprimus im always trying new games and been playing others more than tarkov. warframe, slay the spire, hades, no mans sky. i dont mean im generally bored of gaming, its just it felt weird to play and not immersive at all, i couldnt see the point of playing that when i have tarkov. it just didnt ring for me

[@yvesmija]

this monetization strategy has been in CrossFire from like a decade ago. even just making your chat and name (separate items) have different colors costs REAL money AND its not even permanent. some guns with skins and extra stats cost money… and its not even yours permanently im not surprised with these chinese companies since ive been exposed to these predatory monetization ever since i was a kid.

[@SnowiiAj]

Gigachads dont need the safe containers 😂

[@rorschach2200]

Funny how Hutch and Tony are being paid to fly to Germany on Tuesday to play at some event. Unfortunately they didn’t know ahead of time that this was what was going to happen and they are stuck in a contract

[@BuckScrotumn]

A game that is literally a copy and paste of a successful game is predatory? Color me shocked!

[@Vorgto]

Lol what?

[@jinx20001]

@@Vorgto exactly what he said, just about anybody with a working set of eyes could see ABI was a blatant tarkov rip off and nobody wanted to hear it because we were desperate for something new with the same gameplay loop so we jumped on the chinese copy and paste and here we are today getting chyna'd.

[@Vorgto]

@@jinx20001 the predatory part of ABI isn't in Tarkov. So no. And we? I've never played ABI. 😂

[@jinx20001]

@@Vorgto we is a generalisation, considering so many of “us” were getting so pissed off with BSG and tarkov. Also charging 250 bucks for any edition of any game is predatory, especially one that’s nowhere near completion.

[@Vorgto]

@@jinx20001 if we is a generalization that needs to be setup. Charging a high amount for a special version of a game isn't predatory in the same way as selling a monthly subscription and items that don't last. But I get it, BSG made you mad and you're dealing with that by doing this type of thing online. I'd pay more for Tarkov if it was mandatory, wouldn't mind less of your type on that game.

[@jamienewton2697]

I played the mobile version of this game with my son for awhile and I can say that you’re not wrong. It’s designed to where the more you fall in love with the game, the more real money you have to pay to get where you actually want to be. If you’re casual and don’t really care if you have all the best stuff, then you don’t really notice, but once you become a true fan and want to play all the time, you have to fork over the dough to get that “true experience”. It suckz

[@Plunkidunk]

$250 Tarkov is starting to seem reasonable now

[@djack39]

No it’s not lok

[@DILLIGER90]

Shouldn't be saying that not even as a joke. Soon extraction shooter as a genre will be synonymous with dedicating a bank account to a video game.

[@KEVINser]

Lmao no but thats funny😂

[@Shattaracter]

@@DILLIGER90 OH you mean like Star Citizen?

[@nuh7159]

bot comment

[@louie365official]

Response to the title. I would argue it isn't the "most" predatory. Remember we have games like Pubg Lite and others that actually push advertisement when you enter the game to buy all their cosmetics, battlepass and other stuff. This one at least doesn't actively try to sell their garbage with prompted advertisements. (for now) On the other side, the game isn't bad and it's completely free to play. Just don't buy anything in it so they end up changing their monetization system. The game is worth trying at least as it's free. I wouldn't recommend it if it was a paid game. And honestly EFT isn't much different from my point of view.

[@APJ9000]

Insane recency bias and hatred towards the Chinese, especially when Blizzard has been predatory for a decade plus.

[@chanoslesi]

name 1 tecent game that was developed by them or their subsediary that doesn't include insane p2w microtransactions also im not sure anybody should suck dick for a spy agency masked as a game dev/publisher/ip holder

[@zerogiven1956]

You might have a point, if he weren't hyped about DFHO, also a Tencent game. It isn't about anything except the monetization model.

[@APJ9000]

@@zerogiven1956 yeah, I should also have separated the fact that the Chinese hatred is coming from the comments rather than Pest. Fully take ownership of my mistake there.

[@SynergyGamingTV]

I love your honesty, my friend. Calling it what it is. Thanks!

[@s13ndr]

I’ve played about 12 hours The game is as deep as a puddle A main “quest” in this game is to “kill 2 scavs and extract” or “make 1.5 million K” There’s no depth It feels like a mobile game The gun models look good - but Pestily is correct- it’s incredibly hard to make money and sustain your raids There IS a scav system but if you limit how much someone can sell on the market… then what good is a stash full of things you can only sell to their version of “fence”

[@JeyKalda]

"it’s incredibly hard to make money and sustain your raids" Only if you have no idea how to play the game, ended up with 6 mil after first day the quests ? I mean, is EFT really any different ? Starve yourself for 5 minutes and fuck off the map how deep The economy works perfectly fine, if youre not completely bad, intentionally griefing your self or very very VERY unlucky many times in a row.

[@Oppensleimer]

There is zero chance that Delta doesn't do the exact same

[@TaoriUTS]

1) pay pestily to shit on competitor 2) make idiots buy tarkov for 250 dollars 3) going pay to win after release. gj bsg

[@medjed_bobrad9628]

Its not that pest is shiting on them, they shit on themselfs, i am mad on bsg about gaslightining us about unheard shit but they didint forced us to buy, but this, this is most currupt shit that i saw, evan that npc of dev promised you abi he wont do p2p & p2w shit

[@TaoriUTS]

@@medjed_bobrad9628 maybe they do shit on themselves, but they are at least upfront about it. can't say the same about BSG. Would you dare to bet on BSG not going pay2win after release? I wouldn't. They have thrown shit at their core playerbase before. heck i had 7 ppl i played tarkov with. all of them quit because BSG does fuck all about cheaters. you have a community that is so retarded and jumps to BSG's defense telling you how post kill cam is a hard thing to do and can't be done for tarkov. then they launch their unasked for arena and it suddenly has kill cam. i used to love tarkov, but not playing it feels pretty good. it very much is a toxic relationship

[@zerogiven1956]

You think BSG is paying everyone that looked at the monetization and laughed?

[@porozex3061]

@@medjed_bobrad9628 hooooly bro breath

[@woozie_tv]

Deadass just uninstalled it. Had no idea. Have barely played it in the playtests before. Just wanted to hop in when I got access to see if my computer could run it etc. Played a few matches but didn't go further because the progression would be wiped. Finally got around to updating the client to the early access build and see this video. Sheesh. Thought ppl were blowing it out of proportion. You went in depth. Thanks for the info. Glad I'm not wasting anymore time with this.

[@regorflora7915]

not really. The best weapons, ammo and gear are not locked behind a paywall. You can have them by grinding for koen. One could thrive and win on this game without the secure container and keychain. Play, dont pay,.

[@5_i_v_e]

💯

[@lokococo89]

🤡

[@demonicsquid7217]

Some people like sleep, friends, social life, family, and not shitting in a bucket under their sweat soaked gamer chair.

[@smockytubers1188]

clown take

[@A3r0XxLol]

no words for the stupid shit i just read

[@graygames8631]

its f2p they need to fund the servers as wells as fund future development but it does have pay to win aspects, but its much easier lite version to games such as tarkov to bring in more casual players. every game have its ups an downs but overall its really fun an i enjoy it alot. i have over 7k hours on tarkov as well as EOD edition so i have experience both to speak on the topic.

[@GiRR007]

Honestly really don't care since this doesnt seem like pay to win to me. It's kind of natural for some players to have more currency in tarkov compared to others, being able to buy the in game currency really doesn't help you while your in the raid since you can still be killed.

[@smockytubers1188]

You bring just a melee into every raid right? Why bother with anything else, you can still be killed.

[@GiRR007]

@@smockytubers1188 You bring in stuff that gives you an advantage against other players. Stuff standard players can NEVER get like the gamma container. Containers are WAYYYY more pay to win than simply buying currency.

[@smockytubers1188]

@@GiRR007 Okay I'm super confused what your position is.

[@GiRR007]

@@smockytubers1188 everyone gets currency in the game, it doesn't matter. Having more currency than others isn't pay to win, having literally more available space on your character than other players can ever have simply because you spent more money IS pay to win since there is literally NO WAY that other player can gain that item without spending real money on it.

[@smockytubers1188]

@@GiRR007 They're both pay to win but it's whatever. Fuck tarkov and this shitty game too

[@Justin-ny8df]

What pissed me off the most was reducing the stash space that was in closed Beta and put it behind a paywall.

[@kendob9642]

$10/month for a 3x2 secure container $250 for tarky You'd have pay play ABI for 24 months straight, renewing it manually every time, just to match the cost of buying Tarkov PLUS there are no cheaters ABI is dope

[@zambysnack]

That’s just for a secure container, that’s not including everything else you have to pay for. Not only that but you DONT HAVE TO PAY FOR THE UNHEARD EDITION OF TARKOV. I have no idea why people keep doing that. If you buy the BASE VERSION of tarkov you are going to be spending more in ABI in a couple months. Also the game isn’t even out yet, there will be cheaters it takes time. Don’t act like one is better than the other!

[@kendob9642]

@@zambysnack name one other thing you have to pay for? The only other options are rouples or a bigger stash, not necessary at all

[@zambysnack]

@@kendob9642 so not only do you have to pay to use a lockbox which is already ridiculous, besides paying for in game currency in a money making game, you can also spend money monthly to TALK IN GLOBAL CHAT, or even better you can buy a better chance for elites to have a better loot in them. Imagine if a game like destiny charged you a monthly subscription to open engrams and get guns and exotics easier. It’s a mindless cash grab and I have no idea why people defend it

[@zambysnack]

@@kendob9642 jeez idk, better loot from elites, global chat, more auctions, in game currency (Which you use to buy anything and everything like KEYS or good ammo). The list goes on, it’s shameless and I’m glad most people are fighting back. Saying “oh it’s okay, you can’t buy everything.” Is the exact issue with modern gaming and why companies eat gullible consumers up like candy

[@BigChilla420]

Sure you can play it as cheap as any MMO with a subscription or optional subscription, but can you really promise yourself they won't eventually add a battlepass too? Or that you won't end up going ooooh that skin looks nice and end up buying one every month? You give these companies an inch they'll take a mile or at least try to.

[@yarbles_]

"Like and comment and tell me what you think. I'm not going to read the comments.." This man knows how to profit from drama. 👍

[@rikus6201]

Crazy thing is that u pay $120 a year for subscription and then it ends, you are left with nothing. Your accounts value is basically same as if u created a new one.

[@FINNlSH]

Did BSG pay you to put this on the channel? Legit wondering.

[@A3r0XxLol]

Making a video about a predatory p2w shop is BSGs fault now? Go seek a doctor you clown.

[@meh_tr0]

Just a mobile game ported to PC with the exact same predatory money practices. Saw it once I heard "Ten Cent"

[@Paradis.32767]

We’re 9 seasons/2 years in on mobile in China and they haven’t done anything to really incentivize Koen purchase, the option is just there when you’re broke and need some funds to start over, you wouldn’t think about it most of the time, case renting is their bread and butter. I’d say if they’re not doing it on mobile in China, they’re most definitely not doing it on PC global, the devs are not idiots, they know there’s a line they cannot cross.

[@A3r0XxLol]

Why did they cross it then? Looks like they aren't that smart after all. They burned their fingers with this. I hope people say what they think about this shit at gamescom where the ceo of the ABI studio is having discussions.

[@Paradis.32767]

@@A3r0XxLol I mean there’s a line that if crossed even the fans of the game couldn’t defend, right now it’s a delicate balance, the option is there but tbh purchasing Koen would be fairly dumb, you only do that when you have to, that line I was talking about is adjusting in-game loot pool and manipulating spawn rates to incentivize purchases, to make buying instead of grinding the best way to make money.

[@ImJustADave]

Wow this is the most egregious example of mobile microtransactions in a PC game I think I've seen yet.

[@theyootlegacy6863]

Thank you for your video. But it would of also be nice if you commented on EFT at the time when their shit the bed, as opposed to just saying I don't like drama and don't want to get involved. But like you said on your video you won't read comment because you know.

[@cheyhey2170]

the games financial model is definetly predatory, but not as much as pestily claims. people buy that gear and could in theory stomp the basic version of maps, maybe even the lockdown version.. but highest will always be filled with many juicers and there they dont gain any advantage from their currency bought. i get the pay2win argument for sure and i wouldnt say its pay2win, but since the advantage in the raid itself is pretty limited (containersize 6 instead of 4slots) i really dont care. i do 1-2 chill runs and have enough for a fully juiced build. sure, the other person can die and run it again by spending 4-6$, but in the raid itself its the skill that matters. i dont know how many of the people i killed bought koen and i couldnt care less. theyre giving me really good loot, PVP is actually profitable. in terms of the leaderboard, you can turn on and off the ranked if you're doing budget runs, but you could argue that someone that pays can play +-30juiced and rated raids per week by paying money more than you as a free2play could in the same time ofcourse. pestily saying that they made it to reward you as little as possible is just the perspective of someone that doesnt know the game well. thats okay, but considering he has a large audience its still very harmful to the game. in tarkov you could even argue about the 60m scav item (pre nerf), pockets, container size being larger until kappa, starting with higher skills and having higher trader-rep standing. tarkov has much more p2w elements that are in effect during the raid itself, this is quite objective. i still will most likely pay tarkov much more because i like its feel more, but so much hatred towards the game is just overblown up to false information. the games financial model is definetly predatory, but not as much as pestily claims.

[@armandominotti]

Some of us were saying this for ages, never to be listened because we were "true belivers" and and shoo'd away.

[@thaoriginalraygreen]

Microtransactiond in games get worse and worse, I hate how they can keep getting away with predatory mechanics because eventually there are people who actually buy that shit.

[@azbear2781]

Cosmetics only... and tarkov said they were never going to have microtransactions. Tarkov is also predatory in that they say EOD will get all DLC and then they just make all future content not labelled as DLC and sell the stash lines and dark clothing as a microtransaction. Games gotta turn a profit that's how gaming industry works.

[@CONULON]

I hope Pestily realizes that no one's hating on him

[@janmega1326]

Fun fact they decreased the amount of quests from 60 to 18 btw :D i wonder why.......

[@tombosley3048]

Thank you for always having integrity Pestily. There are streamers live right now blasting their cards and blowing through currency live on stream to thousands of people promoting this garbage.

[@opticmatrixx]

That 1x2 secure container cannot be permanently obtained yet. You could get 2 1-day trials a week from the battlepass and that is it.

[@adudecalledtony3731]

I believe that this gives us a unique view into the mobile games market where monetization is tossed in wherever possible in hopes some child will accidentally give them their parents credit card info

[@ThatDanishFellowPlays]

16$ for a keychain for 30 days??? if people support this game, even by playing it F2P, they need their HEAD examined.