Is This The Perfect All-Road Bike? Standert Pfadfinder review

[@n22pdf]

Looks very nice.. Columbus spirit rides lovely I have it on my Condor Acciaio 😊 ❤ Pete 🚴🏻👍

[@samweis9166]

standert is a marketing company - crazy how they even sell these things...

[@LifeCycle1978]

I don’t disagree but throw out the name of your bike, any bike, and it’s the same story.

[@tongotongo3143]

Specialized is marketing company.

[@Gramkan]

The bikes are premium, what are you on about 😂

[@rrluthi1]

Hey so every bike is essentially the same as far as geometry these days ... a degree or 2 here a few millimeters there ... but what separates bikes is the materials, feature details, the paint and the story you can tell about the product (marketing). As far as the feature details on this one, I like the tire clearance and the internal cable routing. I like the paint. The marketing is clearly top notch. I LOVE the material choice (Columbus Spirit). Ticks a lot of boxes for $2.1k usd. The only other frames in this category you can buy off the shelf that I know of are Ritchey, Fairlight, or Mason. None of those feature the styling or the internal cable routing. I think the frame price is similar as well.

[@maxlloyd3740]

Looks lovely! Would certainly be considering this if i didn't have my perfect all season bike already!

[@mikekow_]

Fantastic review!

[@markwright8030]

Hi David Very informative video content as always 👍 and well worth watching if you’re looking for a steel all rounder 🙂🚴‍♂️

[@denisspratt926]

Standert has some really cool bikes. Nice colors and in steel and aluminium. Definitely some I will consider for my next bike.

[@vbnxt]

So many contradictions in one product - A comfort focused all-rounder all-road bike with an integrated headset to make it easier to mount handlebar bags that for some reason but not for touring; needs high-end wheels and groupset but is not for racing, at a cost of €4.5 and beyond. A living peddling contradiction - the designers let the joke slip in the name itself: FAD-finder

[@marcolgyrubish9498]

The question is, is there anything else on the market checking all the same boxes as this bike in terms of build? Believe it or not, the spec and concept behind this bike is nearing dream bike for me. To me, it looks like the ultimate training bike that can get out 365, while still maintaining a wicked pace. Being fitted on this, then to sit on an aggressive race bike likely won't feel so foreign. I'm happy to see companies bridge the gap

[@vbnxt]

@marcolgyrubish9498 if I were looking for that proverbial dream bike - I'd go custom, not retail.

[@LifeCycle1978]

Then it’s fairly clear that this bike isn’t for you. I’m always confused when cyclist get spun up over some brands efforts to sell bikes and stay in business. It’s no different than any other industry.

[@vbnxt]

It's a niche bike but marketed at the masses ​@@LifeCycle1978

[@tongotongo3143]

The problem is that you have been brainwashed at one stage and now create problems and contradictions that in fact do not exist.

[@jooohan-i9o]

How does it stack vs Strael? And, btw, Standert do have a shop, albeit in Berlin.

[@Quizmate1]

Strael is a superior product due to lack of daft cable / hose routing.

[@jooohan-i9o]

@ If I lived in UK (or if Fairlight had an EU store), I wouldn’t hesitate.

[@rrluthi1]

@@Quizmate1 I love the look of internal routing.

[@Quizmate1]

@rrluthi1 oddly so do I, but the aesthetics aren't worth the hassle. I've seen quotes for 4 hours labour to service the headset bearings, for what is normally a 20 minute job. What happens if you want to alter the stack and reach for a bike fit?

[@jooohan-i9o]

@@Quizmate1 for instance, this is almost a non issue for me. I live in post-communist, Eastern Bloc, Central European country. Hourly labour is still very cheap here. Much cheaper than, say, import tax when buying from UK. That’s why Standert caught my eye. Premium steel bike with bigger tire clearance than Strael, made in Czech Republic (where I currently live) and assembled in Berlin (a couple of hours car ride for me). Anyway…still considering Secan as the best steel bike option for me.

[@otopeixe]

Crazy world... Near 5000 for a steel bike...

[@Kelvin_c]

It's not so crazy once you understand the grades of steel that are available. Not all steel tubes for bikes are created equal.

[@andreaswiklund7197]

People happily pay 50000 for a car. I buy my car for 40000 and my bike for 5000 and still have 5000 for a nice bike vacation.

[@AMehta-ok5pf]

Frame itself is only 2300. That is pretty good for bike. With that said, for that same money you can get a Daccordi steel frame (similar tubing) with geometry you want with your choice of paint.

[@Gramkan]

So a 5K carbon frame made with ethically questionable labour isn’t crazy? 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@edymarkonthego4096]

Impressively expensive for steel frame.

[@Daniel-yf9iy]

I live in Colorado Springs and rode my Kona Rove yesterday (11/30/24) in the Black Forest with a lot of snow still everywhere… freezing 🥶

[@gamecat1923]

That Deda Superbox system is so ugly looking on round tubed bikes.

[@ShreddyPendergrass]

Hey that’s my bike 😍

[@onthemoonprod]

I got mine (1200€ discount frame) built by myslef, very good bike, love it, this bike is for someone who really love bike and his phylophy

[@williwacker2774]

Not questioning it is a good bike but your comment made me curious as to how you think a a bike for someone who hates bikes and "their philosophy" would look like?

[@onthemoonprod]

I find that it corresponds more to the definition of a durable bike, with a high-end metal, actual, robust, much less polluting than carbon, it is overall efficient, but it is above all a bike with which one can accomplish much more than riding fast. I associate it more with a life companion. I took this brand, but I think that for a Mason, a crust bike we could say the same thing. My reflection comes mainly from the fact that it is said that it is expensive compared to a carbon, a crux…. but a bike like that will last a very long time when you think about it, it is a better investment in the long term. with Standert, we are no longer obliged to have an “old school” steel bike when we want steel, we can have a high-performance and beautiful steel bike. Thx Standert

[@stevek4382]

I think the dumbest thing bike makers did was internal routing cables. If you’re not a professional bike rider all it does is make repairs difficult and time consuming.

[@frankvanthof4562]

the fact that people don't seem to understand this is beyond me.

[@dominikhinterreiter603]

hello I come from the bicycle industry, sorry we only introduced the internally routed cables to keep drivers with low mechanic skills away, it worked

[@deanf2259]

It's a stunner.

[@BikeLife154]

Terrible echo on the audio. Beautiful bike, but don't think the square stem goes with the round tubes.

[@sefalcantara]

how would you rank these 3? mason resolution standert pfadfinder fairlight strael

[@Quizmate1]

Strael v3 for me 👍

[@jooohan-i9o]

@@Quizmate1 have you ridden the other two?

[@Quizmate1]

@jooohan-i9o I don't have to. There's no way I'd buy a metal bike with an integrated front end. The Mason would be my next pick, as like the Strael it would be easy to maintain and fulfils the brief of being a durable 4 season road bike. At Standert prices I could go full custom steel and have it just how I like.

[@jooohan-i9o]

@@Quizmate1 why not Secan then? If you want an all road, all weather bike? Serious question as I’m considering buying Fairlight frameset despite the import tax.

[@Quizmate1]

@jooohan-i9o Secan is a gravel bike that will do road, and according to reviews, it does it well. Strael is probably best for road, given its geometry, although the room for wider tyres means it can handle the rubbish roads here in the UK

[@mikekow_]

Dumb (or maybe just odd) question, what kind of pants are those? Nice fit! Patagonia?

[@MichaelSmith-em7pv]

I'm going custom AliExpress titanium build for under $ 3600 USD for complete 🤯

[@rrrrrrikke]

Don’t choose the Challenge Strada Bianca Tyres they offer in their built options unless you ride in dry conditions only. They are incredibly fast and supple but have unpredictable grip in cornering. When it is wet they are downright scary to ride when going around coners.

[@pumpkinmeerkat3692]

nothing like classic geo + round tubes paired with a chunky head tube + brick shaped stem/headset...

[@nathanvrvrt]

I don’t get people get mad because of the price. A bike made in europe is always more expensive than asia and if you buy steel in europe it aint cheap either. Steel is super for flex. I think 5800 is a good price.

[@filipe.goulao]

that set of wheels. What the hell? Scope! check out the price tag!

[@flexboss]

Ticks all my boxes for a year round allroad bike with the right looks.

[@RafaSpacetime]

I prefer my Strael 3.0...

[@alzaisnekram2167]

The problem with Standert is how much they ask for the product it is. Also the geometry has nothing to do with a 'big miles bike'

[@loeurnchim213]

Yaasss super Nice

[@jevgeniardassov]

How is it more expensive than a Specialized Crux with same spec??? 🤯

[@DR_1_1]

Built in Europe, not China?

[@markfrost2003]

"Carbon road bikes go out of date every year"... what on earth are you talking about Dave?

[@davidarthur]

Just mean how there are new designs and colours every year - there'll be a Tarmac SL9 out to replace the SL8 at some point in the future making the SL8 look old, that sort of thing. Like when a new iPhone or Audi A4 for example

[@milkbunnies]

Mason Cycles does it better….

[@matthewlewis2072]

Is that rust on the drop-out?!?!!

[@l.d.t.6327]

looks like copper paste.

[@kesavek11]

They are stainless steel dropouts

[@stevekelly6544]

Standert makes really nice stuff!

[@AG-el6vt]

Lmfao you better get the fit spot on with that headset.

[@Enigmavelo]

My beautifully crafted titanium bike frame is £100 cheaper???

[@scoopermg8226]

'Old man titanium'

[@patrickoshea9398]

That aint a 'level top tube'.

[@philtomlinson8220]

Nor are all the tubes completely round, but I get @davidarthur point. It's a pretty classic profile.

[@e46t]

Better than a Mason or Fairlight❓

[@milkbunnies]

Not a chance

[@Quizmate1]

I doubt it. They're proper 4 season steel road bikes, with no proprietary parts or daft cable / hose routing.

[@jooohan-i9o]

@@Quizmate1 I haven’t noticed anything proprietary here. You clearly have your own favourite. Ok, we get that.

[@Quizmate1]

@@jooohan-i9o you forgot the daft cable routing.......kinda makes it proprietary 🤔

[@jooohan-i9o]

@ ok, fair enough. Don’t wanna argue about an unimportant thing, really.

[@danishahmadkhan]

Love your videos, David but this one felt more like a love letter than a review. The lack of 40mm tyre clearance is a proper oversight but let's talk about the real elephant in the room-the price. €2300 for a steel frame and a full build starting at €4900 with alloy wheels and 105Di2? Seriously? At that price point, you could be riding a quality carbon bike with 105 Di2 and carbon wheels like Giant Defy Advanced 0 - which also offers a lifetime warranty. Steel has great potential but brands like Standert seem to be pricing themselves out of contention. If they charge carbon bike money for metal, they're hardly setting themselves up for long-term success. Here's hoping the metal bike brands wake up-this could be their moment for disruption and a great comeback.

[@Kelvin_c]

This is where we lack critical information about steel bikes and their source. Different steel tubes used for steel bikes are priced differently. If standert and their range of bikes were to be constructed by the cheapest grade of steel tubes, the price could have easily been halved. If you have a bone to pick, if you think price of steel bikes are insanely overpriced, then you should start with steel tubes company such as Reynolds, Columbus, True Tempei, Kaisei. Now that you're at their throats, might as well go after artisanal bike builders who used the same steel tubes but priced their bikes 2x as much or more than Standert. Pretty sure they too need to "wake up" as well.

[@kesavek11]

Made a Columbus steel frame in EU including paint and let me know on what price you end up 😉

[@danishahmadkhan]

@@Kelvin_c ah, classic deflection. Yes, steel tubes vary in price, but the point still stands-charging €5K for a steel bike with alloy wheels is a stretch, no matter what tubing you use. If you're going to defend the price, don’t forget that many artisan builders, though pricier, often provide custom builds and craftsmanship that justify their costs. Standert, on the other hand, isn’t exactly in that league. Let's not act like the tube manufacturer is the sole culprit here; pricing strategy plays a huge part.

[@danishahmadkhan]

@@kesavek11 ah, the classic "European prices" excuse. Sure, labour and materials cost more, but €5K for a mid-range steel bike with alloy wheels? Really? Taiwan is not far from CZ in terms of cost. There's room for a more sensible price.

[@Kelvin_c]

@@danishahmadkhan fair enough. I don’t agree but that’s how KZbin comments go. We’ll never come to an agreement 😊

[@Alimukz]

All road bikes are the same

[@Quizmate1]

Cables or hoses running through the headtube have no place on a metal bike!

[@zihaoye2382]

Welcome to rip off the wealthy customers

[@cristianrecabarren5891]

too expensive!

[@andreaswiklund7197]

For you? Or do you mean the manufaturer take to much in profit?

[@SolidxSnakexDuke]

and another ugly designe bike what i don´t like