They Just Don’t Make Road Bikes Like This Anymore

[@Raven__70]

You can easily change the gearing on a bike from the 2010's that's not an issue. 😊 The simple bicycle is now a complicated mess. We can thank the bike industry for that.

[@Brato1986]

And thank people who buy the shitty things.

[@letmein218]

easily is subjective. for example, cannondale's spider ring vs if you have the spider arm with given BCD. you'll need the lock nut removal tool. there's also a cannondale crank arm removal tool. I DIY rebuilt a 16' supersix; it wasn't hard, but it also wasn't easy.

[@jamesbrickwood7414]

Happy to do disc, but I want to see the return of round 27.2 seat posts, non integrated bar and stems and semi internal cables on more bikes

[@sbccbc7471]

So far, the Aethos is one of such bikes.

[@tonyg3091]

Buy Time ADH or ADHX

[@jamesbrickwood7414]

@@sbccbc7471 yeah the Aethos is what I’ve had my eye on for some time

[@jamesbrickwood7414]

@Serra-cycling-club how do you find the Aethos? I’m still riding a focus Cayo DA from 2016. Light, stiff yet comfortable. Also a Ti Enigma, which is nearly a kilo heavier yet super comfortable on the longer rides.. I’m not willing do take a weight penalty just for discs and the Aethos seems like the go for me. I’m not so interested in aero but the ability to use wider and deeper carbon rims is appealing

[@jamesbrickwood7414]

⁠@Serra-cycling-clubthat’s exactly why I want one - the ease of maintenance, wider tires and light build.

[@timadams5917]

The grass is always greener. Obviously you need both. One from today and one from 2010. You alternately ride both to enjoy what we have gained (brakes, gears, speed) and what we have lost (ease of maintenance, good value, classic looks). When I ride one of my old bikes it always surprises me just how damn good it is.

[@philipjamesparsons]

I own the same Liquigas Caad10, shown on the thumbnail for this video. It has been a good bike, but did not arrive that way. The BB30 bottom bracket part seized, the first time it touched water and always creaked. It (the BB) could not take UK weather. Adding an FSA Hollowtech converter changed the game. The saddle rails snapped after a year and rear mech hangar snapped shortly after with metal fatigue. The RS10 rear wheel snapped a spoke and spare spokes were expensive. The bars and seat post were durable but good carbon ones improved the bike loads. I do like this bike but the main reason I keep it is because I feel modern bikes will be even more aggravation than the Caad10 was when it was new. I recently added used £300 Prime carbon 50mm rims on 28mm GP5000's and have an 11 speed 105 group to fit that was £350. So, plenty of life left in it.

[@CycleXplorer]

CAAD10 is my fav. Still got the frame. Probably soon be classed as a retro bike 😂

[@benhardwick1970]

I’ve still got a CAAD10 and it’s great. Not the most comfy bike and prefer my 2021 TCR obviously but I will never sell my CAAD

[@johnflynn4923]

It's a SuperSixEvo in the thumbnail but never mind, details don't matter nowadays it seems. CAAD 10 is the peak of alu frames.

[@Paul-of2yq]

@@benhardwick1970I’ve got a CAAD 10 had it from new for 12 years and I love and yeah not so comfy now mainly as I’m 12 years older 🤣but like you would never sell it 👍

[@kalijasin]

CAAD is the best AL bike?

[@jcwu1531]

Ah the perfect days when 105 groupset on entry carbon bike cost around $1500, and the cable routing make perfect sense. With wheel upgrade, easily under 8kg. But I don’t miss the paint job trend back then at all, brands were super insecure to a point they COVER THE ENTIRE BIKE WITH THEIR NAME 999999 TIMES UGH.

[@Michael-s5i5j]

It was’ t. Role but they still fixed it!,,

[@pedrojorge2741]

Those days are still here. A Van Rysel EDR CF with a 105 is around that price point. The Canyon counterpart is often just a bit more as well.

[@ChaplainDMK]

Yes the paint jobs on some of these old bikes look like they were made by a kid with ADHD after robbing a candy store

[@SeikoMiura]

Specialized S-Works Tarmac SL2 with 10 "SPECIALIZED" logos on the frame including the fork. Damn.

[@911norman]

Lol. I still ride my 2011 cannondale supersix BECAUSE it is written cannondale all over the place

[@NewPolishScientist]

Back in 2015 You could buy 7 kg cube road bike with ultregra 6800 for £1500

[@bendenisereedy7865]

2016 Bianchi Specialissima here, bought for myself for my 60th birthday. It weighs 6.4 kgs and is such a thrilling bike to ride that I don't think it can be bettered. I hope still to be riding it aged 80.

[@MarkLondon-i9i]

I bought a Bianchi Specialissama for a big birthday in 2020..Campy SR rim brake...6.5kgish..sublime!!!

[@sbccbc7471]

I started out with a 2008/2009 Colnago Primavera. Everything on the bike is still fine to use to this day except for one thing, tire clearance. 25 mm tires on 15 mm internal rim width is the widest it can take. Since I want to use wider wheels, I do need to upgrade, so now I have two mid-to-late 2010s framesets, one rim (transferred to this one in May 2022) one disc (not ready yet) and I don't think I'll need another road bike for years to come.

[@madyogi6164]

Cool vid. Yea, 2010 era bikes are very cool. Still hold one "racer" myself. I now say it is uber-panzer made one. It survived two quite nasty, car hits and it is still straight and rideable (aluminium frame). No creaking, no broken welds, not even paint scratched. Hands off rolls straight. Though, lost 2 saddles, 2 front wheels, helmet, handlebar, shifters got wasted (not to mention the bloody hanger). Funny to think it was brand new for like $1200, back then. I invested in it yet another $1k over these years, and it is still only worth $1k (just maybe). Soon to receive the 11 speed treatment. 2:51 Wow, The wheel is so true it almost puts Earth out of orbit. 🤪

[@honestreviewer3283]

My road bike is a 2013 Cervelo S2 (the last year they were a long-and-low pro peloton bike) with Dura-Ace 9100 mechanical. I got the frame new in the box in 2019 for only $500. The only drawback of the frame is that it won't take tires larger than 25mm. Other than that, it's perfect.

[@michaeldeutsch9631]

What about spare parts for DA9100? I'm thinking about buying an S-Works SL6 Rim Brake.

[@honestreviewer3283]

@@michaeldeutsch9631 Shouldn't be a problem finding them online.

[@gedrooney9305]

@@michaeldeutsch9631Plenty of R9100 components all over eBay, new and old. I rebuilt an R5 from 2014 and added DAR9100 with no issues..still a bit pricey but worth every penny 👍

[@falconbike_onfire]

I just bought a SL6 rim brake one year ago very cheap and this bike retired my others modern disk brakes bikes that cost 3 times the SL6 and adding these bikes +1kg With this SL6, I’m doing PR in strava in every ride . This detail is the most important for me. I do not think about disk brakes, tires width, narrow handlebars, etc etc

[@michaeldeutsch9631]

@@falconbike_onfire What do you mean by very cheap, I have one in mind for 3000 euros. Which is not a small amount of money, but it would be worth it to me

[@OliverSierp]

Love my Willier Zero 7, Campy Super Record, clinchers, mechanical everything and absurdly light ! Also love my Chapter 2 Koko with 30mm tyres, 12 speed electronic shifting, discs etc etc

[@qualm43]

I recently bought a 2012 giant defy and had all the thoughts expressed in this video after getting the bike home and tuning it to my preference. I was able to flip the stem over, mess with steerer spacers, angle the bars, adjust brake pad reach, adjust the derailleur..... It was all very simple. The bike kicks ass in terms of performance, and I was surprised how smoothly it damps the road vibration. Looks like I'll easily fit a 28mm tire in there, possibly a 30mm.... Wide enough, I suppose.

[@leahjackson7661]

I got a 2014 specialized venge in the spring and added things like, ultegra r8000 chainset, new cassette, new zipp bars and stem, picked up some carbon 50 prime wheels on sale at wiggle for £249, conti gp5000 tyres, new seat post, saddle, new bar tape, cleaned up all the dura-ace calipers.. it looks like an absolute weapon and i get comments on it all the time. Its my pride and joy! But yeah maybe one day I'd get something nore 'snazzy' and 'modern'

[@markgreenhow7953]

I've got 5 road bikes from this era, simple enough for me to work on at home, I'd have spent a fortune having all the work I've done on them done at a shop, part of my enjoyment is maintaining them and modern bikes would drive me insane.

[@keithevans5667]

I built a 2020 a Trek Emonda with Dura ace 9100 mechanical groupset 57cm frame only change is 9200 crankset...we know why. Even got a set of ex ineos dura ace conti Grand prix tubular TT tyres.... total weight 6.3kg awesome setup and Brilliant to ride. All thanks to watching you. 😉

[@davidarthur]

Nice build sounds awesome

[@flexmoeller3892]

2020 emonda = a reborn 2010 Madone SSL 700 series carbon. Trek got the basic formula right 14 years ago. Then ruined it...hence emonda born

[@charlcoetzee93]

I have a disc brake bike as my main bike. On the side its loads of fun to cherry pick steel bikes from the 80s on marketplace and give them a service. It's always satisfying what you can do with an old bike in a couple hours of basic maintenance.

[@nickthegreeklondon]

Recently bought a £200 caad8 on eBay, I replaced the bb with a Wheels Manufacturing Shimano compatible one and added an Ultra chainset to match the rest of the bike. Now less than 8.5 kg with terrible heavy wheels - a new wheelset and I'll have something really nice that didn't break the bank. Recommended 👍

[@bklyncyclist]

I built up a Super Six Evo for my daughter from that era, using the 105 9sp from the bike that was too small for her. It rides great, shifting is just OK, and figuring out a crank for that thing took a long time. I ended up with a Praxis BB that went from BB30 to Shimano and a 105 11sp crank. The bike is just beautiful. I myself ride a 2005 Kuota Kredo, which is at the start of this era when carbon frames became somewhat affordable. I put it on a diet and it lost almost 2 pounds with some of your suggestions, mostly the TPU tubes and the 3D saddle. The TPU tubes led me to ditch the saddle bag and all the extraneous stuff in it.

[@francescob.38]

Ok, now I'm starting to love this channel

[@11zagato]

Amen. Still in love with my BMC Teammachine SLR01 with SRAM Red from 2017. IMO better than most average new bikes.

[@mikew466]

My 2017 Ridley Helium SLX with Dura Ace 9100 is still my favorite bike. Even though it has rim brakes and 28c max tire size. It uses the last of the great mechanical groupsets.

[@jefffixesit60]

These bikes are near and dear to my heart, thanks for sharing these with us. I’m new to the channel, and now a subscriber and fan. I’m looking forward to seeing more of your content! 😁 At 69 years young, I’m an antique who loves vintage bikes. I have a pair of 2012 bikes from the mid price range of that era: a Cannondale Synapse and a Motobecane Strada LTD. The C’dale has a Shimano 5600-series 105 triple-10spd groupset that I’ve modified to fit an 11-36t XT cassette with an XTR M971 9spd derailleur, and will just barely accept 28mm tires. (I’m registered to ride the Mt Locke Hillclimb of Cyclefest 2024, September 22; that’s why I chose the crazy wide-range gearing!) I acquired this bike in an even trade for a virtually unridden 1982 Miyata Three Ten that I bought for $25, upgraded to Ultegra triple-9spd and 21mm (internal width) 700c rims with 35mm Schwalbe Green Marathon tires. I bought the Motobecane at a local garage sale for $100. It has a chrome-plated steel frame, with tire clearance for up to 45mm tires. It had a Shimano Claris 3x8 groupset, and supplied the wheels for the Miyata mentioned above. It now has Ultegra 6530 3x9spd shift/brake levers, Zipp XPLR 70 bars, XTR 11-32t CS-M971 cassette, HED Ardennes+ wheelset, and is shod with 32mm Schwalbe Marathon Plus tires. I salvaged the HED wheelset from a local bike shop, with several failed spoke nipples. (I rebuilt them using DT Swiss brass nipples, for less than $50.) A surprisingly fast bike that is also supremely comfortable, I’m contemplating setting it up for some bikepacking adventures.😎 The point of all this old-man blather is this: you can have some amazing bikes from the 20-teens (or any era) for not very much money spent, and if you have mechanical skills combined with an eye for quality vintage components, you can build multiple bikes to fit your needs for a fraction of the cost of one new bike. Happy building, and Happy Trails!😃❤

[@joecool2678]

Bought an Emonda ALR in 2019. Aluminum frame, mechanical group set and rim brakes. Love it ❤

[@richardggeorge]

All road my bikes are from this era: 2013 BH G6, 2014 Cannondale CAAD10, 2013 Avanti Quantum 2.0. Very happy

[@johne7100]

Agree completely. I was an endurance rider - 1000k events & such - and 'old' bikes where everything is accessible are far more suited than modern aero-is-everything contraptions. IMHO the rot set in with the sloping top tube and the aero seatpost that you couldn't clamp a rack onto. And a 3x with a 40T middle chainring meant that you could ride for hours without needing to use the front derailleur and without over-stressing your chain. The evolution of bikes since has been dictated by one thing: bigger profits.

[@secretagent86]

I LOVED my triple chainring on my 2011 Specialized Roubaix ( i bought it used.) it died this year with small frame crack

[@johne7100]

@@secretagent86 Shame. I used a second-hand Lapierre titanium frame with a 105 3x from 2004 until 2015. Wonderful bike for long distances.

[@TheChancerdog1]

I’m not a fan of disc brakes on road race bikes but do love them for gravel and mountain bikes so have to say these lightweight bikes of this era are my favorite bikes ever made. My Colbago V2-r may be about as perfect for me as possible. SRAM red etap and rim brakes and clearance for 28s is just about my perfect blend. My 10s DI2 madone is also incredible.

[@heksogen4788]

Beside integrated cockpit or integrated cabling in headset which is pita when you want to change stems, modern bikes are actually less mainteneance. Disc brakes are less mainteneance thanks to thru-axles, electronic shifting means no cable and housing changes and no adjustment of indexing from time to time.

[@RandyMiller-oo5tq]

My ride is a 2008 Orbea Onix, bought the frameset as NOS for $200 (aud) and built up with parts from my spare parts bin. 8Kg with carbon wheels. For a lot of us the cost savings alone are enough reason to buy from this era.

[@bryanwittenburg7171]

2016 Fuji Roubaix 1.1 was a hidden gem. 1100 gram aluminum frame, Ultegra 6800 at 18 pounds with stock wheels and tires. Upgrade those and you’re under 17 pounds

[@grahammills7593]

Both my older Pinarellos (2007 and 2013 respectively) can fit 28mm tires easily. The trick was switching to wider C17 wheels.

[@KushPizzaSleep]

Maturing is realizing durianrider is right about everything

[@spdaltid]

But, seriously.....bwaaahaaa

[@ezramullen4551]

He lost me at saying he wears SPD shoes on his road bike. SPD - SL is the entire point of road cycling.

[@don_marcel]

I ride a 2012 CAAD8. The only thing I wish it had was dropped seat stays for a bit more comfort. Rebuilt front to back with GRX on the rear and SRAM Quarq up front. Converted the squeaky BB30 with WheelsMFG outboard bearing adapter for SRAM GXP with to improve comfort and stance. Ksyrium SLS wheelset and 30mm GP5000. At 8.8kg It may not be the lightest by today's standard, but it could get even closer with a carbon seatpost, fork, and handlebars. It stays on the ground, can take some serious power and the shorter wheelbase of 978mm makes it amazing for climbing.

[@thefollandgnat]

You've got to mention the Felt F series bikes. I had two F4 Ultegras (2014 black and blue, crashed, repaired; 2016 silver, crashed, not repaired), amazing bikes. Also from that era I'm riding an Emonda SLR6 Ultegra (2018, super-lightweight) and a Scott Addict 10 Dura-Ace (2014), not to mention my winter bike, a Kuota Kobalt bit n bobs (2019). All amazing bikes. I've no interest in the modern offerings, although if I had them, I'm sure I'd love them too. I've got a steel 531 in the garage too, not sure that will ever see the road again.

[@stevenpacini9270]

So true! They also looked better with unique paint jobs. I am still riding my Cervelo R3sl with Zipp 404s every week.

[@TheAndyJBall]

Simply confirms that my liquigas super six Evo is the best bike, with the best paint job that still turns heads and get looks of admiration at nearly 15 years of age. A peach I seldom enjoy but that's idleness not desire. Took me to the top of mountains and down again in comfort and hell for leather safety. Never lost its footing nor claim or status to being the best frame ever imagined. I look to replace but struggle to find anything to compare so will pedal off this mortal coil one day comfortable on my dearly beloved Evo. A companion to pleasure

[@chriscunningham4196]

I'm struggling to find a replacement for my 2012 Scott CR1 Team. Full carbon, 105 g/set, Aksium wheels. It cost £1100 when new. I still love it.

[@nerigarcia7116]

I have a 2018 Giant TCR Maglia Rosa Edition with mechanical SRAM Red, rim brakes, it's 14.9 lbs, and I still love riding it today over my newer, more tech, bikes. However, it is a harsher ride than my newer bikes with bigger tires.

[@shirtlessGraveler305]

I am still riding my 2013 Trek Madone project 1 rim brake bike with DA 9000 group set , 53, 39 & 11-25 Ultegra cassette as of over a year ago. Zipp NSW 404 wheels with 25 C Conti GP5000, ceramic speed BB 90 , and Ceramic Speed standard size jockey or pulley wheels . and that’s my main road bike. Yes I have a specialized diverge carbon Gravel bike and a 2015 Giant XC carbon MTB. and they also enjoy as you can see in my profile picture a classic rare Cannondale Capo Fixed gear ⚙️ bike which I love to ride . I’m happy with what I have and maintain everything I have. Besides if I was to get a heavier, modern road bike, I don’t have space. I don’t want to trade a bike again that doesn’t exist anymore and I probably wouldn’t get selling any bikes I have and besides, I hang two of the bikes from the ceiling on hooks and I don’t want to go to any kind of heavier bike so I just stick with what I have 😊😊😊😊😊

[@craigblowfield8821]

My 2010 Look 585 was such a lovely frame to ride, simple to maintain, comfortable to sit on for 16hrs over multiple mountains, and for me at 65kg the carbon rims would last around around 50,000km even with over 100,000m of vert gain each year, so I get it. My recently acquired gravel bike has disc brakes which is great although I was surprised how soon I needed to change pads/rotors, and even though the the cables are only internal to the frame, changing/rerouting takes a lot longer and you need coins in your pocket for the swear jar. There are some great things about modern technological innovations in road bikes but they do come at a cost and a loss of simplicity.

[@the_derpler]

I had a super six evo with rim brakes and di2. It was amazing to ride. Sadly though most of my rides end up being a mix of gravel and road, so I now switched to a Ritchey Swiss Cross V2. Big change for sure :)

[@dbfire6787]

I had a 2012 supersix evo in the stormtrooper colorway and it was a great bike. If it had more rear tire clearance I would never have upgraded.

[@tarantulasam7609]

I would have much more love for this era if the accommodated wider tires. I have a CAAD 10 and it’s just not pleasant to ride in my area with 25mm tires.

[@philipjamesparsons]

@@tarantulasam7609 My Caad10 runs 28mm GP5000. That improved things a lot.

[@tarantulasam7609]

@@philipjamesparsons what model year? Mine is a 2011 and a 26mm drags on the fork…

[@sbccbc7471]

​@@philipjamesparsonsOn what internal rim width?

[@solitaryrefinement6787]

I had a choice between a 2016 leftover Cannondale SuperSix EVO 105 BallisTec and a newer 2017 version. The 2017 came with a lot more proprietary tech (BB30a, seat tube, etc...) and I didn't like the color scheme so I went all in on the last O.G. SuperSixes with rim brakes. The new seat/chain stays & fork were all narrower. It turns out that they'd have issues to sort out like seat tube creaking, BB cracking, etc... (typical with model upgrades in the first few years of just about anything). I didn't want to be a guinea pig with the first or 2nd year runs of the new & improved models which didn't last long anyway (3 year run before major redesign). I'm happy with the 2016. The seat stays are at the top where they're supposed to be (old school rear triangle). Rim breaks. Standard 27.2 seat post tube. The kinks had been sorted out of the BB30 this late in the stage. And I loved those frame tube shapes. To me, it's a work of art. And I got mine in murdered out black. The only other paint scheme that Cannondale made worth buying (for me) was their white with black graphics version and their BEAUTIFUL team colors versions. Cannondale's been the worst on colors since then. Trek has the color scheme game down pat. They're the best at it. The only thing I missed out on with the 2016 was the 28c tire clearance so I'll just have to make do with 25c. Best part was that I got it for $1850., marked down 30% brand spanking new with a lifetime warranty. Now she has a full Dura-Ace 9100 groupset, Hollowgram Si cranks, 50mm ICAN wheels and a full carbon 3T/Fizik cockpit weighing in at 14.9 w/o the Dura-Ace carbon pedals (15.4lbs with the Dura-Ace carbon pedals...still just 6.9kg). Not bad for a total investment of $4000 at the time leaving me with enough 105 bits & a wheelset to build a 2nd bike out a CAAD frame I had.

[@MikeMcDermott-wv7ew]

My 2007 Litespeed Ti Tuscany ultegra equipped bike is all the road bike I’ll ever need. Still turns heads today. Listed at £2700 new, I paid £2300 as an end of season discount. That’s right…… For the whole bike. 👌

[@luke2049]

I love tubeless and disc breaks. I dont like electronic shifting, one piece cockpits, frame specific seatpost, front chainrings over 50 standard and the cable routing setups on modern bikes.

[@clipsandstrapsjounal]

My old Cielo road racer SRAM red mechanical but with an Easton chainset 47/32 11-32 cassette gives me all the gearing I need. 28's are as big as I can go, and that's the only downside, but I can live with them.

[@mocha-6957]

I Have a Focus Izalco Max with Ultegra straight from 2017. I love her

[@pj9375]

Personally i believe my 2021 tcr pro 1 is peak bike. Mechanical ultegra, rim brake, external hoses. This is the peak of bikes and it’s been going down since.

[@enfieldhbs2204]

I bought a old BMC team machine 1,£800.great bike.i couldnt afford the price new back in the day.sure tyre size isnt great.but ivegot a bike i love.

[@Chrisjonovi]

Another reason why the tires are wider is so you could feel outdated. Something I can't upgrade on my bike. The best I could put is a 28mm but I like using 25s

[@Wellcidered]

Taking into account price and serviceability, I would vote for 2015 as peak bike. Then, £999 bought you a carbon Cdale Synapse with 105 (with understated black and red colour scheme). Dual pivot rim brakes on Al rims - no problem whatsoever. 28mm tire clearance and "modern" carbon frame give a great ride 11 sp 50 34 - 11-32 gives great all-rounder gearing. (Surely, 11 is all we really need.) OK, not peak aero with the easily serviceable bar / stem, but.....

[@orangeorphan]

I think ignorance is bliss when it comes to bikes. If you had only ridden a bike from the 80’s for instance, you would probably never feel the need to complain, because they were fantastic bikes. It’s only after you ride something modern that you can really tell that there was room for improvement with regards to the old bike. It’s a cliche, but the best bike is the one you own and ride, not what the bike companies are telling you is the best.

[@brucetaylor607]

I still have my 1998 Cannondale USA R200 CAAD 2 with Shimano 600 8 speed SIS and Mavic CXP 30 wheelset in excellent condition. It's the only road bike I have so I've learned to take care of my bike over the years. Fast forward to May 2020 when I decided to purchase a modern road bike. My choice was the Cannondale CAAD 13 with Ultegra 11spd. But when a bike shop or company tells you to go carbon and disc because it's better I'd say no. I love aluminum and rim brakes. I upgraded the Fulcrum 600 wheels to Mavic Aksium wheels. But you're right ✅️. The best bike is the one you own and ride.....your way.

[@AL-pc1rb]

This is just stockholm syndrome, I do not miss the constant flats, the bone-jarring ride, the questionable brakes, the medieval torture device geometry, and the masochistic gearing. I remember my dad's old road bike from the 80s and I avoided road bikes for most of my life until I tried a modern one and realized how good they had gotten. It's one thing to make do with what you've got but sometimes change is good.

[@magadelina-wb3pn]

I tried disc brake bikes. They are heavy and not as stiff and therefore slower. Yes mechanical simplicity, 2010-2017 bikes with rim brakes.

[@richcrompton6891]

I ride a 2017 Look 785 Huez RS with rim brakes… I guess I agree with you wholeheartedly!

[@adamb2619]

Still rocking my 2010 Cervelo S1 and way outperforms me even now.

[@nishieda]

External cable routing WILL CONTINUE EXIST and last as long as rim brake. Both are FANCY but both internal-routing and disc-brake aren't Necessities.

[@AntonioOrru21]

Keep it light, simple and fast

[@kenmunozatmmrrailroad6853]

I completely agree with you. I've got 3 mechanical bikes of the day all with standard BSA bottom brackets. I dearly wish I could get new parts from the day; damn Shimano to hell

[@andrewjones2042]

I would like to add 2010's frame stiffness, standard seatpost shapes (round:) Campy-SRAM-Shimano 11 speed comparability.

[@wordupcornflake]

bought my first etap/disc brake bike at the start of the year, sold 6 months later, to much messing about/headaches, back to lighter rim brake/mech

[@adamcurpier]

Oddly enough, I find myself wanting to go back to the 2010-'15 years, when bikes were lighter, easier to maintain ... but adding in electronic shifting.

[@RicardoRocha-lg1xo]

Velo Orange and Whisky Components make a rim brake caliper and fork, respectively, with room for 35mm tires. The clearance issue is something large manufacturers could have easily solved, just like they started making gears more suited to amateurs. I really do miss the simplicity of those bikes from 10 years ago.

[@heksogen4788]

Aren't ultegra calipers only up to 28mm clearance without deflating the tire?

[@RicardoRocha-lg1xo]

@@heksogen4788 they are… but Shimano and manufacturers in general could have changed that, if they wanted to, just like Velo Orange and Whisky have. Too bad you would have to get an expensive custom frame to get the type of affordable, simple AND comfortable bikes we could all be riding nowadays.

[@samvanryssegem5932]

Isn't this what the Aethos is? Lightweight, easy to maintain and change out parts, and good ride quality.

[@KushPizzaSleep]

Disc brakes are trash

[@sbccbc7471]

Except for the price.

[@benhardwick1970]

@@KushPizzaSleepuntil you cycle in the wet down a hill with carbon wheels

[@jkk916]

@@benhardwick1970 Not a big deal if you use good cf rims and good brake pads and but I can understand that you were at least once really scared and you feel more confident with disc brakes.

[@benhardwick1970]

@@jkk916 I’ve had all of the them and going down mountains in the wet even with Swiss stop brakes are dangerous. I still have a CAAD 10 with rim brakes, Swiss stop brake pads and campy bullets 50mm carbon wheels with allow braking tracks and even they although better are not what I’d take anymore for most rides.

[@rg807]

You need to include the Colnago C60. I've owned one for 12 years, and it's been fantastic. I also just built an SL7, which is super fast, and fun, but in some ways the Colnago is better. BTW, I'm running Di2. It's simply better than mechanical.

[@niklaskristensson2231]

Great perpective video David. Progression is good but like the car industri they place everything to few sellers, insurance companys and a few mechanics at crazy sums of money which fits 1percent of users .In the future U wont be able to turn one single bolt.😂🎉. Rocket age...

[@spinnetti]

I got a Acid Red Carbon Synapse with rim brakes in 2017 and last year threw on some surprisingly good low cost Chinese carbon wheels. Given the stupid cost of modern bikes, it might just be the last bike I ever buy. If I won the lottery, I would likely get the new Canyon Aeroad but just due to FOMO and not need.

[@24693010]

Hi Bought a 2010 giant TCR with ISP. It’s missing the seat clamp which I can’t seem to source :( any help/advise would be greatly appreciated

[@blackjackpinoko]

Mech shifting is great only when it is set up perfectly.

[@larryt.atcycleitalia5786]

I've ridden only a few bikes from this era but they impressed me by being way-too-stiff with a teeth-rattling ride quality so they're nowhere near "peak" for me. IMHO the peak was at the end of the steel era when tig-welded frames from Columbus steel had polished alloy components. Dual-pivot brakes squeezing machined brake tracks on aluminum rims rival disc performance (in the dry) while 8, 9 or 10 cogs in back are more than enough. I still have a couple of bikes like this that I'll NEVER sell! My friends at GIOS-Torino still make them with hundreds of fans showing up at their shop each year to ride 'em together as the "famiglia blu" (blue family).

[@CycleXplorer]

My CAAD10 is the best bike I've ever had. Still got the frame in the garage. Needs a repaint as it's quite corroded. Maybe I'll rebuild it one day!

[@Jackster596]

I hope rim brake technology makes a comeback with wider tire clearance. Maybe the release of the Colnago C68 rim brake frame sets something into motion for the rest of the industry. Time will tell.

[@HeadPack]

That's so true. Have been riding a race bike from the 2000's and the Ultegra group set still works like a charm. Just the frame got too aggressive as I have aged. Would anyone know of bikes/frames from the 2010s era that have relatively high stacks and short reaches?

[@reinholdachleitner2069]

Awesome comparison video but the amount of cyclist that don't wear gloves is scary,they really protect your hands when you crash or fall.

[@danfurtney4405]

My 2012 Evo descended so much better than my current giant TCR. I wish I had purchased another cannondale

[@KenFernbach]

Totally agree! ❤😂🚴🏼‍♂️🥨 Great era for bikes! 🙏

[@montrose252]

The new bikes that cost a fortune with tons of faf suck! I don't want Di2, I don't want disk brakes, I don't want hookless, etc. etc. The old bikes are life-long love affair. The new bikes are disposable consumables like a phone!

[@carnivoredoc]

I have an 09 Tarmac comp with rim brakes and modern carbon rims, absolutely love it. Don't want a modern bike.

[@matthewlewis2072]

Have you tried one?

[@wouterdobbelaere]

Right on! And ride on!

[@benjaminfox-shapiro4032]

Is this durianrider?

[@Blah-blah-sure]

Absolutely not! Duran rider has expressed how today’s bikes are trash! And prefers these older bikes.

[@Rampampulin]

Oh wow that red CAAD12 with deep carbon wheels looks better than almost all modern bikes combined. What a sexy machine. Still rim brakes suck for modern standards.

[@spokedonwrenching]

I will take the negatives of integrated cockpits if it means hydraulic disc brakes. They changed the game. Power, tire clearance, tire variety prove compliance is attainable for free, with fewer psi.

[@tonyg3091]

Dunno, I am perfectly happy with electronic shifting

[@faosa73]

I think peak road bike was a little later with super six evo gen 2 and caad 12

[@FaiscaaaH]

Me watching this and still using my s-works sl6 rim brake version with dura ace 9000 mechanical :D

[@davidarthur]

Nice bike!

[@JIMMYHIBBS1]

Lots of things peaks in 2008 - 2010 … cars for example - before emissions made cars too complicated (stop start and other nonsense came in) …. These cars will all be in the bin in soon as they are too compromised to keep running … I peaked in 2010 too 😂

[@minimedic7749]

Reasons why I bought an Aethos!

[@Nick-lm9hg]

Does this guy jump on every bandwagon going?

[@jamesgilly2808]

If it’s the making decent cycling content on KZbin, then yes he is.

[@Nick-lm9hg]

@@jamesgilly2808 🤣

[@paradillobryledanen.6559]

Lets just say, that the new roadbikes keeps as comfort in riding and old roadbikes keeps as alive in riding.

[@bonn1771]

Love my 2008 road bike on 10 speed still lol

[@jeltesikkema8364]

Hi David, off topic, but you uploaded a video once about your lovely Fairlight with Microshift Sword groupset with mechanical disk brakes . How do you like that setup now that you spend some time with it? Any chance for a review video?

[@davidarthur]

Hi, I really enjoyed the Sword groupset, but it's not perfect. The shifters work well but takes some getting used to the two levers and isn't as ergonomic as Shimano. But the big downer for me personally were the mechanical disc brakes - Tiagra offers similar 10 speed tech but with hydraulic disc brakes which are better imo. The Fairlight is now running the Wheeltop groupset as part of an experiment

[@jeltesikkema8364]

​​​​​@@davidarthur Thanks for your reply, much appreciated! I am riding a '90s Dawes horizon as a allroad/gravel bike and i love it. Mini V-brakes and old 105 brifters set up as a 1x10 so left brifter only for braking. Looking for a mechanical upgrade. Microshift has a slightly longer cable pull that should make braking even a bit better. Compressionless brake housing should also be important i heard.

[@davidarthur]

@@jeltesikkema8364 yes definitely compressionless helps - the cable pull is different to Shimano so not sure how well they’ll work together

[@kalijasin]

I actually prefer mechanical shifting, mechanical disc brakes, etc. There are No batteries to charge, electronics to fail, hydraulics to bleed, and mechanical can be rebuilt and made new again. I would never go back to rim brakes though. They have gotten a lot of hype lately and were really popular on bikes from this era but are very cheaply manufactured and designed and difficult to get working properly and can cause damage to the rim.

[@tomilaiho7498]

The ultimate aluminium road bike is Principia ellipse. No powerloss ja stiff frame.

[@randomname8442]

Move on to 2018-20 and you have peak bike. 28mm clearance, same gearing as today’s bikes, and if you want ‘aero’ then SL6, Aeroad, F12. The only difference is brake type, heavier weight and pricing.

[@sbccbc7471]

Of these three, I'm taking the Tarmac SL6 any day. I don't want the Aeroad's 1 1/4-inch steerer tube (plus that pathetically short steerer tube expander plug) and Dogma F12's headset internal routing.

[@randomname8442]

@@sbccbc7471agreed. I built up an S-Works SL6 with 9150 and Enve 3.4 for less than a new basic 105 disc bike. Also bought a spare regular Specialized frame for a few years down the road

[@davidarthur]

sounds like a solid build - have been looking at doing an SL6 project but prices are holding pretty high right now

[@MR-dv6ms]

shhhh don't tell too many people. I buy last generation super bikes for fraction of the original prices. My favourite is my Cannondale Black inc. Crazy light at 5.9kg

[@5891jonathan]

I own a bike from 2010 and one from 2022. The 2022 is superior. I don’t know what to tell you if you disagree other than “you’re wrong.”

[@Haplo59]

no

[@carlpentney290]

The complexity and expense of basic maintenance on a so called modern bikes is likely to lead to some neglected bikes out there. Buying 2nd hand will be a nightmare as you can't easily swap proprietry components, even changing the stem can mean complete new integrated bars and cockpit.

[@sbccbc7471]

This is why I hate bikes that don't give you a free choice on cockpits. At least something like the Tarmac SL7 and 2021+ Émonda (carbon) are fine.

[@larryt.atcycleitalia5786]

I dislike this modern crap as much as the next guy but the bit about "the complexity and expense of basic maintenance on a so called modern bikes " doesn't make a lot of sense IMHO. Basic care issues like washing/cleaning the drivetrain are pretty much the same while the brakes don't need much other than a wipe of the brake rotors and an easy change of pads now and then. Changing bar/stem, while a real PITA isn't really "basic maintenance" is it?

[@ca5ualm3dia]

CAAD 10 is perfect except its not internal cables, so the aero penalty is more, BUT the caad 12 has bb30a and a smaller seat tube , caad 10 can use more parts , there is no gravel cross option on the rim brake caad 10 or 12 frames , very frustrating!

[@mattkavanaugh5623]

I agree - my 2012 Cannondale SuperSix HiMod Evo is as good as it gets for me. I do wish I could fit larger tires (25mm rear, 28mm front is the limit), but otherwise I have no wish to spend $5k-$15k for a new bike. Using tubeless tires with lower pressure helps mitigate the lack of larger tire size.

[@Gregorius421]

The core issue with modern bikes is that they aren't designed for riding, but designed for selling. Selling for an unreasonably inflated price since covid.

[@daewoochoi1860]

Ha! Coming from a person who raves about every single new disc brake bikes that come to the market :)

[@davidarthur]

I do get excited for the new bikes it's true but I also appreciate what has come and gone though, which is why I still own a couple of older road bikes :)

[@matthewlewis2072]

It's possible to love both, you know