Is This TRASH? || The Truth About Expensive Tools

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Bourbon Moth Woodworking

Bourbon Moth Woodworking

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@mykalmartin1696
@mykalmartin1696 Жыл бұрын
I love that you got other content creators to colab for this video. I enjoy the balance of instruction and humor, keep up the great work!
@theUcane
@theUcane Жыл бұрын
Agreed, but we need links to all of them! I only follow a few of the ones who cameoed.
@veronicamacharia115
@veronicamacharia115 Жыл бұрын
Hello Jason, I am not a wood work enthusiast but out of curiosity in learning how kitchen cabinets are made and installed I stumbled on your channel back in June 2022 and I must say, its your sense of humor that got me even more interested in learning wood work from your many videos. Thanks for making your videos fun and worthwhile to watch. Your instructions couldn't be even more crystal clear. Maybe one day I will start my little back-of-the-house workshop😄
@Bourbonmoth
@Bourbonmoth Жыл бұрын
🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
@steenfraosterbro3268
@steenfraosterbro3268 Жыл бұрын
I can't afford a Porsche 911 Turbo S, but that doesn't mean I bitch about other people driving one. Luckily I can afford a Domino and have had one for 15+ years and never regretted buying it. I'm so tired of people bitching about the Domino. If you feel like doing everything with handtools in candle light, kudos to you.
@johnanderson7653
@johnanderson7653 8 ай бұрын
I was hoping that you would have touched on Beadlock joints and how they work time wise and cost in comparison. There is now some jig for a palm router that also replicates a domino joint, Temu…
@bobcat9501
@bobcat9501 Жыл бұрын
I bought the 500 I went to hartville hardware they did the demonstration talked about needs and bought it it’s great to use if you’re off during your dry fit you can move it over 1mm to give yourself some play
@mindyhall4638
@mindyhall4638 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the great info; also, that table base you had in this video was beautiful…did you do a video of that build? Thx!
@bones549
@bones549 Жыл бұрын
good video. I prebought and waited on the original. Loved it, but that inconsistency was a huge issue. Second if you have small thin pieces you were always having to do jigs. I developed a method where i stabilized the top as you with one hand and only used my thumb and forefinger to apply fwd pressure. That provided stable results. I used it for about a year and a half. I finally sold it for what i paid for it and bought the powermatic virticle mortising machine (at the time 900 bucks). I don't regret it and use it all the time.. It solved the slop issue, and allowed for monster mortises. Cheers.
@SithLandlord
@SithLandlord Жыл бұрын
It's important to note that the reason there isn't a true competitor to the Festool Domino is because they have a patent on it, just like they had on the Track saw. However, their patent on the track saw expired and this you see a bunch of competitors like Makita, Milwaukee, Kreg, etc. Out there now for much cheaper too. The patent on the Domino is set to expire at the end of 2024, so I'd expect big manufacturers to have their own version ready to go in 2025. If you're willing to wait, it could be a substantial savings, but it's still not a Festool.
@pinheadlarry9495
@pinheadlarry9495 Жыл бұрын
There's nothing really special about festool. Only pinheaded brand loyal weiners think so.
@SimpleCheeseGrater
@SimpleCheeseGrater Жыл бұрын
Biscuits
@DESX312
@DESX312 Жыл бұрын
The patents MIGHT end in 2024. From my understanding there could have been tweaks to the design that would have required patent updates, and thus patents would have gotten extended. At least from the research I've done. So it may or may not end at that time. I'm going to assume it will probably be past 2024 only because the Domino XL came out a few years after the original Domino, and I think there are a couple of design changes along with that.
@slightlycrookedworkshop
@slightlycrookedworkshop Жыл бұрын
@@DESX312 You can't extend a patent beyond 20 years. If they patent any changes, only the changes will still have patent protection. The protection for all the features of the original Domino will expire after 20 years.
@HondoTrailside
@HondoTrailside Жыл бұрын
Yeah, someone might come out with a well built one. Look at Ave's review of the saw. These guys do have great ideas, but the execution is such that if a part needs high end, they won't skimp, but they will skimp where they can. Logical, but not inspirational. I guess so long as they make it last till the patent expires, they have done god's work. Thanks for the lead on the 2024 patent expiry. When it is market priced, it will be an worthwhile addition.
@rs2055
@rs2055 Жыл бұрын
Great video on the Domino but don't forget to check out the Pocket Mill Pro by JessEm, uses the same domino's as the Festool but only 350$, I have both the Festool 500 and 700 for various work I do but found for other things like mass producing picture frames the JessEm Pocket Mill Pro is a great tool.
@natazer
@natazer 8 ай бұрын
I have wondered about this for a long time. Even way back when Norm was doing biscuits. No one explained it, or pulled back the curtain, and I was too lazy to look into it. We're talking 20+ years here. 😂
@ChunkaBumper
@ChunkaBumper Жыл бұрын
I want everyone to pay close attention to the wording in the beginning: "to prove that it's unbiased and that this video is not JUST sponsored by Festool, we went out and got ANOTHER sponsor." This video is sponsored by Festool.
@cashkruz319
@cashkruz319 Жыл бұрын
@KeithJohnsonCustomWoodworking would be proud of your Seinfeld clips 😂
@Smedleydog1
@Smedleydog1 Жыл бұрын
I only have one question. Do your wife and son watch your videos, roll their eyes, shake their head and then walk away without saying a word? 😆👍
@dougsaunders8109
@dougsaunders8109 Жыл бұрын
The reason domino gets so much hate is it bloody brilliant, fast accurate and nothing else like it. Meaning Festool can proper Festool on the price. Credit card melting brilliance. Like many German engineering products Edit: Thinking about it if people believe that any of the major brand brands are going to bring out a Domino killer once the patents run out for a fraction of the price think again. Look at track saws from all the major brands especially battery ones very little difference in price to Festool
@RootedInThePastWoodworking
@RootedInThePastWoodworking 3 ай бұрын
You freaking kill me!!! 😂 "musical mantage"
@gislisp
@gislisp Жыл бұрын
I didn't know you could use this gardening tool for woodworking. I bought mine mainly for gardening.
@milochase1585
@milochase1585 Жыл бұрын
Best entertainment, and I always learn something! Thanks for sharing, Jason!
@timdennis2193
@timdennis2193 Жыл бұрын
$1600 and $1000.. I wish.. here in Aust we pay $2700 and $1850... crazier prices. Great video though 👌
@bsg1138
@bsg1138 Жыл бұрын
It is nigh to impossible to cut a repeatable mortise using the Triton. It has flaws too numerous to mention.
@Mexpat1
@Mexpat1 Жыл бұрын
I would also include the location as a factor when deciding wether to buy it or not. I'm in Mexico and due to import taxes, transportation costs, etc. the price of this tool (as many other imported products) can be between 25% to 50% higher than in the U.S. And if you also consider that the price range of the things made over here will not be paid in the same price range as those you make in the U.S. (over here would be 50% off or less) it doesn't make much sense to invest on such pricy tool when you will spend way too much time to amortize what you invested on it. I get the benefits that (sometimes) comes with paying for expensive things. I have had combination squares that didn't give me true 90 nor 45 degrees, hand planes with curved bottoms, a table saw that when tilting the blade to cut any angle, the "back" of the blade itself moved on the X axis
@2012WCIH
@2012WCIH Жыл бұрын
Living here in Germany and working for local carpenter. Festool is actually only for professional that’s why is it so expensive. But I have to say nothing is better than Festool.
@LosFelizUsed2BHip
@LosFelizUsed2BHip Жыл бұрын
😮 4:40 switching tenon settings without it running😬
@johnnyb95678
@johnnyb95678 Жыл бұрын
Always informative and fun to watch. Thank you!
@georgemckee3787
@georgemckee3787 Жыл бұрын
You left out the $200 Tianli jig that works with the Makita btrim router. For most hobbyists this is more practical. When the Festool patent expires there will be many alternatives
@gregmize01
@gregmize01 Жыл бұрын
DAMN THAT HIP THRUST MONTAGE MAKES ME WANT SOME CHOCOLATE😛
@matthewphelps5136
@matthewphelps5136 Жыл бұрын
Dude, it's festool, I couldn't afford a bottle of water sold by festool.
@BentusiProgenitors
@BentusiProgenitors Жыл бұрын
Is there a reason your not using the new KM18 mallet?!
@dougprentice1363
@dougprentice1363 Жыл бұрын
Seems like if festool lowered price to a reasonable amount, they would sell so many more, and make just as much profit
@MrWaldorfian
@MrWaldorfian Жыл бұрын
There are videos on YT where people have made their own "Domino" style mortising machine using scrap plywood and a trim router.
@joeyl5994
@joeyl5994 Жыл бұрын
You're close to 1Mil subs!
@dailybuildz
@dailybuildz Жыл бұрын
Great video! I'm currently in the market for a domino, and considering the 500 vs 700. The 700 seems like the obvious choice for larger work despite being ~$500 more, but my question is, while using the 700 on thinner material -- is it necessary to shim or raise the material to get the mortise in the right spot? Thanks!
@FrazerCanyonWoodworks
@FrazerCanyonWoodworks Жыл бұрын
Bent’s woodworking has a really good video about both of them, and which one he recommends.
@bluepeakworkworking
@bluepeakworkworking Жыл бұрын
I don't have a 700 but Seneca Woodworking sells an adapter for the 700 for using 500 cutters, if that helps. I have a 500 and have not really felt limited with most furniture projects I do. The few times I've wanted larger m&t, I use other methods. So it depends on what projects you want to do.
@dailybuildz
@dailybuildz Жыл бұрын
@@FrazerCanyonWoodworks I'll check it out, thanks.
@dailybuildz
@dailybuildz Жыл бұрын
@@bluepeakworkworking Good point, I'm leaning towards the 500 for now, and possibly enlisting a combo of m&t along w/ dowels as extra support with larger joints. We'll see how that goes.
@aaronpreston47
@aaronpreston47 Жыл бұрын
I really want my work to get one, I use so many biscuits.
@didndido3638
@didndido3638 7 ай бұрын
10:35 True..people are like that
@denab72
@denab72 Жыл бұрын
This video was HAaa-larious 😂
@MrGrundle
@MrGrundle Жыл бұрын
Not worth it in my opinion. Just like Woodpecker products. Use a dowling jig or cut a hand tenons for bigger projects. IMHO
@manson5150
@manson5150 Жыл бұрын
There are other brands of domino joiners that are cheaper than Festool.
@Lokey1100
@Lokey1100 Жыл бұрын
I’ll just stick with my £30 ($40) dowelling jig I think. 👌
@remco6007
@remco6007 Жыл бұрын
triton sucks and then i bought a maffell ddf40 nice vid love it funny man 😄
@sapelesteve
@sapelesteve Жыл бұрын
Terrific video BM! As a hobbyist, that tool is way to expensive for me. There are many other ways of doing the same type of joinery. 👍👍🔨🔨
@exigauner
@exigauner Жыл бұрын
Funny, in germany is it half the price. I have bothe domino from festool and the lamello zeta, and its not expensive in germany. Milwaukee and dewalt are the same price here as festool but not as near the quality Tools as festool mafell or lamello (made in germany). For us are milwaukee dewalt makita overprized made in China Tools😅
@ravenation8756
@ravenation8756 Жыл бұрын
As a small shop owner I found that hand cut mortice & tenons were just fine for what I was doing. But as demand increased, the speed that the loose tenon method the Domino gives just made sense. I only have the 500 as I still use hand cut for large (over 2") tenons in big pieces like dining tables, so the 500 fits my need perfectly. I wouldn't be without it now. The lack of true competitor is where Festool hit you, but once that patent expires, expect to see Makita et al producing clones at more competitive pricing. TL/DR: If you are making lots of things and making any money from it, the Domino is a great friend to have. If a hobbyist, maybe just a luxury.
@peterszutu555
@peterszutu555 Жыл бұрын
Great video, informative, very funny, and love all the other content makers participating. You kind of short changed the dowel concept. Sure that machine drilling just two dowel holes has lots of limitations. But dowel joinery can be done with simpler tools such as DowelMax which allows you to drill as deep as you like and with as many dowel holes as you like, anywhere you want., using 1/4” to 1/2” dowels. Tests show multiple dowels joints can be stronger than domino joints. So as a DYI guy, I’m sticking with dowel joints.
@lukeharper8926
@lukeharper8926 Жыл бұрын
I felt the same way. I mean, to defend his video, he is only comparing joining 'machines' and not joining 'techniques' so I can understand why jigs like Dowelmax or Jessem didn't make it on the list. But yeah, for a hobbyist like me that isn't pumping out work on a daily basis trying to turn a profit, using a jig that costs a fraction of the price is definitely worth it even if the set up is a bit longer.
@kellyb7321
@kellyb7321 Жыл бұрын
The hip thrust montage alone made this video worth it. One thing i'm curious about, I've heard that the Festool patent for the Domino is set to expire soon which will allow other manufacturers to build their own version. Just wondering if there's something to that?
@webspy2
@webspy2 Жыл бұрын
Here you can even buy a 16mm domino (0,63 inches), not from Festool, but aftermarket one. It is primarily used for doors and other large pieces. And my local domino producer also makes oak dominos usually for outdoor furniture. Or extra wide 14mm tenons, these ones are indestructible! (You make a regular hole and then use the first pin to enlarge it to 40mm width, clever and fast)
@ericdillenberger7873
@ericdillenberger7873 Жыл бұрын
Would love a link or manufacture name for the 16mm cutters. Thanks.
@researchcapt
@researchcapt Жыл бұрын
I don't need a $1600 domino joiner, biscuits have been good enough. I will wait for Festools patent to expire and then buy a Makita or Milwaukee domino joiner for $300.
@jasonswoger410
@jasonswoger410 Жыл бұрын
I feel the same way. I can't wait for that patent to end.
@borrachitovsop
@borrachitovsop Жыл бұрын
Good luck with that!!!
@angelbriones792
@angelbriones792 Ай бұрын
Supposedly they expire somewhere by the end of this year yet, I'm hesitant to just buy a festool joiner rn.
@BlacktailStudio
@BlacktailStudio Жыл бұрын
I can’t believe you hacked my phone and posted that video.
@wheelz2984
@wheelz2984 Жыл бұрын
I'd have loved to have heard the chats with all the KZbinrs asking them to hump their Domino 🤣🤣
@csimet
@csimet Жыл бұрын
Love watching people, like you, utilize the best tools available to fine tune your craft. Me... I'm a hobbyist woodworker and while I'd love to own a Domino or Origin router, but they are way out of my price range and only a dream. I'd never be able to justify their purchase, so I'll be sticking with biscuits & doweling jig and my manual routers. ;) Keep up the great content!
@chipperkeithmgb
@chipperkeithmgb Жыл бұрын
Same here although I did build a horizontal mortiser
@ericw9655
@ericw9655 Жыл бұрын
It’s hard to beat a doweling jig when you’re outside of a production setting.
@csimet
@csimet Жыл бұрын
@@ericw9655 Agreed, they work very well. I also had a hard time parting with $400 on a decent track saw (Makita, not Festool)... but it will get plenty of use.
@BikeJackass
@BikeJackass Жыл бұрын
No reason not to use free tenons if you want to, easy to make your own tenons to fit whatever size mortice you want to cut, using only a router, router table and table saw…, I just did it on my first ever furniture project, a red oak K.S. Bed
@neilvernon7699
@neilvernon7699 Жыл бұрын
Great video! You can always use the Triton Dowelling Jointer to drill the holes initially, and then increase the depth with a drill. This allows you to increase the depth equal to or deeper than the Festool Domino. ☺️
@genezechin9809
@genezechin9809 Жыл бұрын
Great idea!
@paulvolkmann2979
@paulvolkmann2979 Жыл бұрын
Came in to make this very comment
@JTLaser1
@JTLaser1 Жыл бұрын
Comment thief! LOL! For $1200 it’s probably worth the time!
@Adierit
@Adierit Жыл бұрын
Or just skip the jointer and use the drill to begin with.
@paulvolkmann2979
@paulvolkmann2979 Жыл бұрын
@@Adierit the jointer positions your holes correctly and then the holes act as a guide for more depth. Yeah, it can be done with just a drill but it’ll take more time to get it right.
@codacreator6162
@codacreator6162 Жыл бұрын
I just got another notification about this video while I was watching this video. KZbin algorithm hard at work recommending stuff I’ve already seen… and people are worried about AI. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@klausschleicher523
@klausschleicher523 Жыл бұрын
I got the small Domino from my wife and my daughters to my 50th birthday and I love it. But I'm afraid I have to wait for my 60th to get the XL ;-) There are so many other possibilites I build a printer stand for my brother. It was only a box. (boring) Then I cut it off-center in two pieces and connected it with (many) dominos, but the dominos are visible (1,5cm). It looks like ribs. I think it looks really cool. ;-)
@DESX312
@DESX312 Жыл бұрын
Awesome timing. I just got my Domino 700 XL (first Festool tool) just over 2 weeks ago, and I was utterly amazed and absolutely ENJOY using the thing. This honestly kind of made me angry as I had brought it thinking that I would take it back if it didn't knock my socks off. I said it HAD TO to justify the price! Needless to say I am already about $600+ extra in with the 4 cutter heads + dominos + Seneca accessories + TSO big foot accessory, etc.... Damn you Festool! You got me!
@ljgault
@ljgault Жыл бұрын
There is an attachment for a router that makes domino slots.
@patchesZA
@patchesZA Жыл бұрын
I'm a DIYer/Hobbyist and rationalized my purchase of a DF500 with this thought. My enjoyment when woodworking comes from the design element and seeing those designs come to life, more than from perfecting technical skills like hand cut mortice & tenons, dovetails, etc. If the Domino enables me that enjoyment and the ability to produce professional quality joinery, then it's worth it for me.
@Socalcheeze
@Socalcheeze Жыл бұрын
100% agree. I justified purchase for the same reasons. The more honey do items checked off the list the better. Allows me to develop adjacent skills and when I have time, I’ll go down the traditional joinery rabbit hole .
@butwhowasmoto2739
@butwhowasmoto2739 Жыл бұрын
That just perfectly put into words how I justified mine recently, better than I've managed to express it myself, thank you. Seeing my designs come to life, beautiful 👍
@Autobotsunited
@Autobotsunited Жыл бұрын
I think we’re all in the same boat here. I felt the same way and have done the same. Thanks for your thoughts!
@brucegibson8053
@brucegibson8053 Жыл бұрын
All though it would be nice to add a domino to my collection of tools, as stated by others, I can't see one in my shop. Most of my work is done for my home, wife, and family. I'll stick with dowels. It's all about the dollars and cents. If you don't have the dollars, it doesn't make any since. Great video though, Thanks!
@elgabinetero8521
@elgabinetero8521 Жыл бұрын
Señor thank you for having some salsa in your videos! How bout that Modelo Beer! Awesome! Mexicans do enjoy your videos! I know I am! Saludotes
@dougbrown7150
@dougbrown7150 Жыл бұрын
Should you spend money on a domino NO or a kreg jig..... LEARN TO DO CORRECT JOINERY
@jeremyolson6294
@jeremyolson6294 Жыл бұрын
Really glad you mentioned Triton's Doweling Joiner - I have Grizzly's version and it really makes joinery easier. I'm a hobbiest - I cannot justify the cost of a Domino Joiner - but I really like the convenience and especially the speed of a joiner tool like the Doweler or Domino. I think it's the best alternative to a domino unless you are flushed with cash or making furniture full time.
@Mojave511
@Mojave511 Жыл бұрын
Hands down one of my favorite Festool products. I have the 500 and looking forward to getting the 700. Outstanding video!
@dougsaunders8109
@dougsaunders8109 Жыл бұрын
Got both, they are fantastic, quick and accurate. Bloody expensive. Reason there is some much noise around them nothing comes close to being as good
@billbender6926
@billbender6926 Жыл бұрын
How does a joint using the Rockler Beadlock Pro Jig compare to the others?? It seems very similar.
@blackvenges
@blackvenges Жыл бұрын
The hip thrust bit had me roll on the floor laughing. Thanks for that. One other down side of the dowel jointer is that it doesn't have an option to make over width holes to make alignment easier. FYI although I don't own either a triton dowel or festool domino but I watched alot of KZbin videos, so I am basically a pro on both tools
@d.a.n.
@d.a.n. Жыл бұрын
beyond a certain point does the length of the domino/dowel really increase the joint strength? the 'weak' (something something glue is stronger than wood) point will be at the joint also a series of dowels where dominos would be have more glue surface area than dominos
@noahwoods9916
@noahwoods9916 Жыл бұрын
Excuse me, You didn't use the hip thrust maneuver when you opened your beer and planted the garden. So Disappointed.
@ben68442
@ben68442 Жыл бұрын
How was jointery done before the domino jointer grew legs and crawled onto land? Hand cut joints. Do you need a domino jointer-NO, you need carpentry skill.
@jayempress4203
@jayempress4203 Жыл бұрын
You're going to tell your wife she's looking OLD????🤔😮🤣
@Guardian_Arias
@Guardian_Arias Жыл бұрын
Arguably by far a better purchase to a Festool's Domino Jointer is a Panto Router. About 200 bucks cheaper if you already have a compatible router. If not then approximately the same cost for way more functionality. Its even possible to source and build your own since its mostly aluminum extrusions and bearings. Obvious alternatives are dowl jigs and domino jigs for routers and drill. They can be purchased or better yet 3D printed.
@Realism91
@Realism91 Жыл бұрын
Jessem came out with a domino joiner that uses your drill for about $1000 less.
@andrewjonas5523
@andrewjonas5523 Жыл бұрын
Such a desirable tool….just wish they were priced more reasonably.
@Xv1ShotvX
@Xv1ShotvX Жыл бұрын
Wife walked in and asked what I was watching just as it got to the hip thrust montage. Sleeping in the woodshop tonight.
@jimdavis4342
@jimdavis4342 Жыл бұрын
I don't understand. Why is a deeper better. Is it not the shear strength that matters, so long as the glue holds? What am I missing?
@tonykuehn4928
@tonykuehn4928 Жыл бұрын
I have to say I love your content and you always have me laughing. Laugh and learn is the best combo!! Great work!!
@majmarkbrown7816
@majmarkbrown7816 Жыл бұрын
though not the same form factor, would you consider Rockler's BeadLock system a competitor?
@puddytat62
@puddytat62 Жыл бұрын
First off the Dewalt biscuit joiner is actually a plate joiner. It is not a loose tenon machine. The plate joiner is designed for taking large wide boards and aligning the top plane so it is even. Building a dining table is a good use for this. So terrible comparison. Not the same. The triton doweler is more than adequate and if you need the holes to be deeper just do those manually. So easy to fix As for this video!!! Well is it any mystery that it would be pro Festool video. A 27 minute commercial. If you’re a pro making furniture or doors or windows then the cost of the festool is drop in the bucket. Buy the domino But even Jason does not do the kind of volume of work to justify a domino joiner. And frankly I doubt any pro furniture makers would watch this channel. Small business owners who do custom pieces might justify a domino for their work but hobbyists or even handyman/ contractors can easily get away with dowels. Thanks for the commercial!!
@SAUdustBuilds
@SAUdustBuilds Жыл бұрын
That’s one way to bitch about a video without actually bitching about a video.
@BobMcKenziewoodworking
@BobMcKenziewoodworking Жыл бұрын
Did I miss the fact you need to buy the $400-$1000 dust collector too. Or can you use something else?
@jamesfish5630
@jamesfish5630 9 ай бұрын
I did and it was pricey but used the heck out of it for 20yrs and sucker still works great! Like the auto start feature and also use it for miter saw or orbital sander.
@MrCrymet
@MrCrymet Жыл бұрын
The Festool Domino is the best machine you can own in your workshop. You can use it for almost every project, it saves a lot of time and is totally worth the money.
@dsdragoon
@dsdragoon Жыл бұрын
The domino saves lumber, eliminates mistakes, and reduces design time, too. Have you ever cut tendons on a piece to later find out the piece is too short, that’s a mistake I would make. If you are building with mortises and tendons, you must add the length of your tendons to the pieces that will have tendons. I design my projects in Sketchup and I have a library of dominos to use so all I have to do is place them on the joint and check for clearances and determine the number of dominos required. I would hate to model each mortise and each tendon that the pieces of the project requires
@PaulStevensonPinball
@PaulStevensonPinball Жыл бұрын
While that was a fun and informative video on a pro level tool, I'm disappointed that you didn't even mention what for many will be game changer - the Domino system includes special anchors/bolts that allow you to make tight connections that can be separated. If you're making large furniture, this can allow you to break it down for shipping and reassembled at the destination. I watched this used once on another YT channel, and it blew my mind. I don't yet have a Domino, but it is on my wish list, in large part because it does more than just wood tenons. I have no idea if other joinery solutions also include similar knock-down hardware, but that could make an awesome follow-up video, since Festools stuff is crazy expensive.
@EliotChildress
@EliotChildress Жыл бұрын
I’ve had one for years and am torn. They are great at what they do but what they do is largely replace what I love/hate about woodworking: joinery. I say if you do a lot a casework and can afford it, get it. Tools are cool. If you don’t do a lot of large scale work, don’t bother.
@lukeharper8926
@lukeharper8926 Жыл бұрын
I know very few people who drop money on expensive things (like Festool tools) who then are able to objectively critique it. Kudos to you. It seems most people who spend this much money convince themselves it was worth it at all cost. I like it when a person can still say, "Yeah, it's got some pros and cons."
@richpeggyfranks490
@richpeggyfranks490 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the effort, but I'm still not convinced a Domino is worth it. I have used the Model 500 a few times and it feels just like using my biscuit joiner and/or "doweller", except it is harder to hang onto. Unfortunately, I've never been a dancer (hip thrust). For longer, beefy dowel joints, I dowel out 1/2" diameter holes and then use those holes as guides to drill as deep as needed. It adds approx 30 seconds per joint. I don't see a $1000 advantage using Dominos over dowels for fitting a shelf in the center of a wide board. Nor is there an advantage over using biscuit slots for "Z" clips. Still love ya, mean it. Thanks.
@adriaklocke3219
@adriaklocke3219 Жыл бұрын
I tried Kreg pocket screw jigs, handheld doweling jigs, self-centering clamping doweling jigs, and then settled on the immaculate Dowelmax jig. But by the time I went through all those iterations, including wasted wood, I was about three quarters of the way to the Domino 500. The lesson I keep learning over and over is that saving up and getting the good tool is always better (and maybe even cheaper) than trying to find less-expensive ways of doing the same thing.
@bnssoftware3292
@bnssoftware3292 Жыл бұрын
Exactly this. I spent months debating on whether or not to spend the money on one or try and build a jig with a router. In the end the amount of additional time and effort required on an inferior manual product would far exceed the initial cost of just getting the right tool in the first place. Can't wait to start using the 500 I just picked up the other day.
@fanelliscustoms
@fanelliscustoms Жыл бұрын
Dows are ok and can be easier than a Domino if you use dowel pointers to mark your holes. I kind of think the dowel jigs are faster than Domino but not as glue surface
@TheWayne660
@TheWayne660 Жыл бұрын
I haven't had any luck with dowel jigs, seems my alignments are always off just enough to be aggravating. I haven't tried a domino joiner yet, I want to try a dual dowler but I'm still skeptical on them also.
@fanelliscustoms
@fanelliscustoms Жыл бұрын
@@TheWayne660 yes to me dowels and Dominos are the same principle with lining up and carefully marking and labeling each piece. To me dowels have a slight advantage over Domino's Lookup dowel pointers Can get at harbor freight, Amazon etc I have a vid on them kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXLJmntojbSejas
@meperson
@meperson Жыл бұрын
​​@@TheWayne660 Dowelmax or Jessem are very accurate. Others are junk, I have multiple cheap ones collecting dust and only use Dowelmax.
@SSBailey77845
@SSBailey77845 Жыл бұрын
Jason, you spoke the truth when you mentioned “whenever a KZbinr whips out a ---“. That is what I call integrity….well done sir. I know you have a lot of Festool stuff and I don’t begrudge that but there are, frankly, a lot of excellent quality alternatives to many Festool products. I simply won’t spend the money if excellence is available at a fraction of the price. As for the domino joiner….there no real alternatives short of a massive increase in my skill level. I finally made the plunge and bought the 500 domino joiner. I agonized for months but I finally came down to the fact that my aspiration was to build furniture and my first piece would have retailed for over $10.000…..so, yeah I justified the purchase. My conclusion? A total game changer and worth the money. I have a biscuit joiner and it is fine to a point but it just does not have the shear strength that the mortise and tenon joint offers. I hate to say it but the German engineering comes through loud and clear. If I didn’t think I would be building the projects that I am I never would have made the purchase. Nice job Jason.
@scottsatterthwaite4073
@scottsatterthwaite4073 Жыл бұрын
You do awesome work, no doubt about it. But I'm pretty sure I just watched an infomercial. And, like you said, if someone is making money from their woodworking, it might be a justifiable expense. For most of us, a doweling jointer will do an almost equal job for a fraction of the cost. For the hobbyist, a simple doweling jig might be all they need to get very good results.
@jessec377
@jessec377 Жыл бұрын
Been using a $50 doweling jig for years works great
@maartenvanderzwan8281
@maartenvanderzwan8281 Жыл бұрын
Great tool for a professional saves lots of time For me using dowels and cutting mortises by hand wil do fine. No hurry just fun
@avabarbiesquad
@avabarbiesquad Жыл бұрын
I'll probably never be able to make half the projects you do, but still love watching! Keep it up.
@artimas419
@artimas419 Жыл бұрын
there all doing it wrong.. there not holding it with both hands..
@bobvilla2508
@bobvilla2508 10 ай бұрын
Who knew the patented hip thrust was both practical and sensual. Stupendous.
@spamslamwich1776
@spamslamwich1776 Жыл бұрын
I kept eye contact during the hip thrusts.
@Alphasig336
@Alphasig336 Жыл бұрын
You can do the same thing cheaper with a dowel jig, except I can go 10+ inches into both sides (longest drill bit) putting 4 dowels and achieve a really strong joint.
@erikkarling2176
@erikkarling2176 Жыл бұрын
Can you not look me in the eyes when you hip thrust?
@frankstoverpurebloodsaltya6441
@frankstoverpurebloodsaltya6441 Жыл бұрын
I'll stay with my mortise and tenon
@matthewm9327
@matthewm9327 Жыл бұрын
Domino is a great tool. I dont own one... yet. My problem is which one do I go with? I probably need the DF500 90% of the time, but what if...? So do I just buy the 700 and 'waste' the excess capacity until the one day I need it? Decisions decisions...
@spycedezynuk
@spycedezynuk Жыл бұрын
If I could go back I’d get the xl. I’m the same 90% the 500 is golden but that 10% is enough to make me wish I had bought the big boy One thing is true even though it’s expensive I’ve never once regretted buying it
@briannelson4122
@briannelson4122 Жыл бұрын
It's on my "gee, I'd really like to have this super cool tool" list, kinda like when I was a kid ( I realize I'm old and this may not apply to most of your audience) and the Sears Christmas catalog came and you looked through it from front to back making a list of all the crazy stuff you wanted, and know Santa was much too practical for this. Love the Domino, and if I was still working in the trades and not retired, I would buy it if I had a project that required me to "up my game" and be more productive, for sure I'd get it. I'm now a hobbyist and unfortunately, it now falls on the "gee" list. Still super cool though.
@rojer9542
@rojer9542 11 күн бұрын
When you were hanging the picture, is there any reason you weren’t using a dust extractor? Also what kind of glue do you recommend? I did a quick google search and didn’t find any definitive answers. One finial thought, seems like it would be a good idea to notch the domino so that the picture wire would be less likely to slip off.
@riverbuilder2251
@riverbuilder2251 Жыл бұрын
A few years ago we made a test 90 degree joint for some big doors, in 6"x2" merbau hardwood, we used two rows of 3 large dominoes and glued it with epoxy. We took it to an engineering shop and the put it in a press and tested the joint, it broke the timber with 6 tonnes of pressure. Dominoes are strong.
@RyanWattersRyanWatters
@RyanWattersRyanWatters Жыл бұрын
IS IT WORTH IT? FINAL ANSWER: - You’re running a production furniture shop: YES - You’re a wealthy hobbyist*: YES - You have a moderately successful or better KZbin woodworking channel: YES - You’re an everyday hobbyist: NO *Since “worth” is likely a nonissue for you
@Pyromanemac
@Pyromanemac Жыл бұрын
With the dowel joiner, you can always just follow it up with a standard drill to make it deeper. Just an extra step.
@williammorris671
@williammorris671 Жыл бұрын
Nothing with festool on it is worth it.
@philvale5724
@philvale5724 Жыл бұрын
Hi 👋 man 👨 I think 🤔 you are Hip 😅 thrusting 2 many times unsuitable for young people and it is not until you get to our age that you can get the domino affect, And you have to save up your years of pennies, To be able to afford your hip thrusting domino effect 😅, Just don’t tell your partner, I must admit that it is cheaper than a facelift 😂, Great tutorial on how to improve your Thrusting , I think it’s called the knock-on effect, 😂 . DDDOOOMMMIIINNNOOO , PHIL FROM THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOULIN FRANCE, 🌘
@garybecker4490
@garybecker4490 Жыл бұрын
I don't know if this is the most hilarious or disturbing video you've done. The hip thrust montage or the costumes. You are one of a kind. 🤣 Fortunately, I have access to a Domino if i really need one for a project, but im not a pro and cant justify (write off) the cost. Maybe when I retire and do more...
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