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[@macaron5902]

It should be how the OCG is. Release cards like Little Night as both Secret AND Super rare. So it'll be cheap for deckbuilding, and have a Secret for the collectors.

[@haroldnecmann7040]

They should print more common. I don't like any cards that easily bent like super and secret😂

[@animeking1357]

​@@haroldnecmann7040Commons are based for almost never becoming pringles.

[@haroldnecmann7040]

​@@animeking1357common is build different 😂

[@StigmaKRL]

I'm so happy that I play the OCG the bs that Konmai US is doing to tcg players is simply horrendous

[@otterfire4712]

TCG Konami is actually just the worst when it comes to Core Sets. OCG AGOV has S:P Little Knight as a super rare minimum with secret and QCR variants. The majority of the Snake-Eye and Horus archetypes are common and rare with a couple cards taking up super and ultra spots (also having secret rare variants for super and ultra). Other card game packs are more reasonable to casuals with a better range of rarity in packs with several variants for higher rarity cards. An OCG AGOV Box you have over a 50% chance to pull S:P Little Knight since you roughly get half of the super rares in the set with potential secret rare variant. Additionally, you'll likrly get a playset of the common Horus and Snake-Eye cards with 1-2 copies of the rares. Since TCG rarity bumped these cards you'll get a fraction of these pulls from a box, even if you have more cards 190 of them will be commons which everything of value is not printed at Core TCG sets aren't worth it

[@Netherwolf6100]

I still firmly believe cards should be printed in multiple rarities including the lower ones too. Some should even be common. Print cards in all rarities so everyone can get whatever card they need for their decks so Yugioh can stop being a *Play-To-Win* game where the person with the biggest wallet is victorious. However at the same time, by also priniting multiple rarities that will naturally be priced more, it doesn't take away shiny collectors who want to fill their decks with golds or binders with sparkles.

[@SRH420Gaming-ql9vp]

Agreed.

[@Malister23]

Konami could easily do the ocg rarity system where high rarity cards also come in low rarity it would really help selling cards to a bigger audience My friend actually quit the game because everything coming out that was good had a price tag of 20+ so he got bored of it and quit

[@apertureb2247]

Its still an incredibly small chance of even breaking even. What most people want is value spread out so buying a box isnt a loss 99% of the time. More value in the lower rarities or more ultras/secrets per box.

[@cero9391]

But the value is determined by the community.. look at R-Ace core set... I was building Purrely and ended building a R-Ace core set just by storing the "trash cards" that no one wanted on that box, and sold that core for like 40usd... and then when diabellstar came out, R-Ace became meta, and now Hydrant alone is worth like 50usd by itself...

[@BigBoi898]

@@cero9391 value of cards is based on how good the card is and how RARE it is to pull, on top of what one has to spend to even have a chance to pull it, all which are determined by Konami. More secret rare slots per box would bring their overall prices down, cause you'd have a statistically better chance at pulling them. R-ACE came from a side set that was initially unpopular, but now with the Diabellstar engine pushing the deck into relevancy people want to get into the deck, but due to so few of the R-ACE set packs been opened at the time of its release there are fewer R-ACE cards in circulation on the secondary market, and the set it came in is out of print, half a year old now, so the few that are still available for purchase are rarer and thus higher in value too. All this is affected by how Konami handles their products. Another example is the VS deck, which despite not performing well still has an asking price of 200-250 USD cause of KONAMI RARITY BUMPING most of the archetype into ultras, making getting them all the much harder from opening packs, and in turn forcing people to buy more of the product if they want to build it.

[@apertureb2247]

@cero9391 It's blatantly obvious when the good cards are secret/ultra rare and all the other cards are garbage. Konami knows what cards are good when they release sets. Older cards gaining value because new support makes them good happens occasionally, but the reason why they end up being so expensive is because the original boxes were bad so not many singles existed or they were high rarity filler themselves. You'll never see many commons/rares/supers spike in value for that reason.

[@Lightn0x]

The expected value of opening a box is almost by definition negative. Otheriwse buying boxes would be equivalent to printing money.

[@apertureb2247]

@Lightn0x Not expected to get 100% back mate. Even getting like 40% is stretching it at times rn. Meanwhile other card games make it a point to have you basically make 50% of the box back on low pulls.

[@GrandHarrier]

Kind of a weird discussion; "Do you like being priced out of playing the game?" Of course not. I hate that the TCG seems to purposefully try and ripe off its playerbase as opposed to the OCG where cards are much more obtainable for a reasonable price.

[@vileluca]

home printer go brrrr

[@tmoney1487]

​@vileluca Youll get DQed at events for using fake cards so thats not really an option. If youre just playing with your friends then why are you taking extra steps to print the cards instead of just playing one of the free simulators?

[@u.a.perfectace7786]

​@vileluca Proxies don't go brr. They are not allowed at official tournaments or at OTS stores from where I played even if you inform them and your opponents you are using proxies. You DQd, possibly banned too. Friend groups are fine though. Proxies are not a solution. Printing chase cards in lower rarities are.

[@Cybertech134]

@@vileluca This isn't tabletop MTG Commander. Go home, you're drunk.

[@noblesapien616]

I believe TCG sets should be identical to OCG set where the TCG sells boxes of cards following the same rarities of the OCG counterparts. For example, S:P little Knight would be released as a super rare, secret rare and QC secret rare. Less bloat cards too. It sucks collecting excessive bulk cards.

[@waiyon1951]

i be less annoyed if our Secret pull aren't bloated with useless cards... Looking back at CYAC why is that spirit monster a Secret it's hot Garbage and i can't even get value back from it.

[@ChaosDarkLight]

Because westerners are more willing to waste money on cardboard than Asians, that's why K-sha keeps doing this, and has done so for 2 decades.

[@noblesapien616]

@@waiyon1951 Do you care about getting the card you want or do you care about getting the card in it's shiniest form? Cuz for me, I don't mind settling for 6 super rare copies of S:P Little Knight from 4 to 8 box openings (if the card was available like that for casual and budget players). It would affect the higher rarity prices but the demand for higher rarity versions of cards is always gonna be there from those who have the excess funds.

[@waiyon1951]

@@noblesapien616 i rather get cards i need over shinier versions.

[@beastlik3]

yugioh needs to move to the model that pokemon and bandai use. Have the chase cards be alternate arts. That way, the common cards remain cheap so that you can play, and there's still the collectability aspect of it.

[@Sigma13Angel]

I don’t understand why this has to be an X or Y argument. We can have chase cards AND easy access. Rarity collection is what we need going forward. There needs to be value for the gamblers out there and a card game is unsustainable if every staple is expensive.

[@PathBeyondTheDark]

I don't think Konami is producing with sustainability in mind. Companies are not stupid. There is a plateu in terms of power creep that will be reached eventually, and even if not, they are obviously content with the original iteration of the game basically having long time fans and no one else. *People die* or get too old to sustain travel. They will lose these customers eventually and the game will cease to exist in this form at that time. It's inevitable.

[@vileluca]

@@PathBeyondTheDark "Companies are not stupid" have you seen all of WotC's muck-ups in the past 12 months?

[@rorydean6803]

@@vilelucayeah, because they’re run by clueless, woke drones.

[@aizenvermillion434]

​​@@PathBeyondTheDark It makes me sad, but yeah, I can see that to be possibly true. I'm helping out on my locals, but I did change into becoming a casual player after I finished building my Volcanics deck a month ago. We got some new blood in ygo in our locals and that's always a plus. It's fun to see the new ones just enjoy the game despite taking it more than hour to explain their decks.

[@eduardowhiteknight6110]

Yugioh the game where your skill is matched to how much money you can spend.

[@esseubot]

The concept of "staples" being so expensive, in my opinion, takes away from their nature of being a "staple" and almost becomes a "pay to win" sort of card. A card that should be splashed in so many decks has no excuse being so rare - compare it with how stuff like MST and Dark Hole were contained in almost every starter decks in the lowest rarity. There is no excuse for them to not print low rarity version of cards they intend to be staples and mostly would only hurt the bad part of the second market - since then I'd be actually invested in buying official products from the store instead of singles. Because at the moment I am sure I don't wish to buy the entirety of AGOV just because they have "Nemleria Repeter", with most of the other pack filler being specific archetypal stuff.

[@residentgrey]

This is definitely the case in Duel Links. They are getting better in ways though.

[@ryank.8064]

And Konami wonders why they can't get Master Duel players to transition into the TCG. They need to follow other card games and have multiple rarities, both cheap and expensive, to accommodate players and collectors alike. Maybe then they'll find the increase in players they're looking for.

[@chaosbug7]

I’d much rather have a set where good cards are accessible & affordable over what Konami TCG loves to do. It has a horrible habit of paywalling the key cards of an archetype or staple to the secret rare slot, and then since you on average only pull 2 Secrets to a box, you either have to spend an astronomical amount of money to attempt to open enough product to find what you are looking for, or bite the bullet & spend an arm & a leg to buy the singles, which in many cases, they get unreasonably expensive. This is one thing the OCG handles much better imo. They print cards in multiple rarities, so you can have the playerbase have access to the cards easier while those who want to bling their deck out with max rarities and are willing to shill out a lot of cash can do so. There’s been a number of cards I would love to try, but I decide to drop because it’s too unreasonable for a more casual player such as myself to invest in trying out some of these cards because of the rarity scumming Konami TCG is infamous for.

[@shadowmarez7457]

We need both, good/exciting cards that are also affordable.

[@Sh4doWDweller]

It baffles me how Konomi still wonders why people are slow to pick up the physical card game when you consider the cost of getting all the cards for a real deck Vs. just playing Master duel virtually, like in terms of price its way cheaper by a mile than getting physically invested. I cant speak for everyone but in my eyes MD is the future of YGO in the west and rest of the world cause the prices for cards are getting out of hand specially when you consider how our Jp counterparts pay less for cards overall and receive more when they do buy product.

[@streiya]

I actually prefer the higher pull ratios of the QCSR vs the Starlights. I hate how the Starlight cards just look so AMAZING but are so extremely expensive and rare to collect! I really think the QCSR is a happy medium! I think the problems of high prices in the TCG could easily be solved it they follow what the OCG does with printing cards in the same set of various rarities. Not sure why Konami is greedier when it comes to the TCG market vs the OCG one.

[@mattyorshin]

I want a number of rarites per card. I refuse to pay more then 20$ for cardboard

[@DoctorDucky250]

I have the same personal rule.

[@dylanhelvetios2300]

I still can't take out of my mind that even a $20/card rule is basicaly $60 for a card since you most likelly need 3 times the same...

[@Seveinis]

I think the short printing and rarity bumps make it so yes they make money but they don’t retain players. Every year is filled with “buy this card for X amount of money to have a much higher win chance” while yes this makes some players gravitate towards the set it discourages more than they gain. I feel like killing the secondary market by introducing rarity bumps and commons of the same cards in sets will bring more players to want to buy sealed product and retain a lot more players which in turn = a lot more money. The sets will hold their value because that’s where the “hype” card is located and it would hit the secondary market hard because why buy a couple one secret rare when you can potentially get everything out of the set in commons. I could care less if an opponent uses a secret rare version of a card I have in common. The fact that both can play it would retain a lot more players. the secondary market would be more of a rarity market which I feel like that’s what it should be. Open to hearing anyone else’s thoughts on it

[@ChaoZzBladex]

i mean the most simple thing would be Every Card of a set is Common to begin with and than at higher rarity cards of those Comons as the Secret, Ultra, QCentury etc etc, than atleast everybody would always have acces to every card in common while people would still buy the box for their favorite shiny versions + if new players sees a meta deck (of only commons) would cost them like 20 bucks now they would be invested and maybe look for their favorites in a higher rarity because they allready had acces to the game for a cheap price. but thats just my 2 cents on it :3

[@Advent3546]

I just want to have the deck I think is cool AND pay my rent. Is that so hard to ask Konami?

[@JohnnyCProduction]

If you play competitively you have to deal with having to spend a lot of money, if you don’t but still want to play a certain deck, you would either have to just spend a lot for it, maybe wait till the demand of the cards go down and possibly get cheaper, play it on a digital platform like ygopro or duelingbook or make a proxy deck for physical playing. TCGs in general are just overall too expensive and it will keep being expensive because people are selling buying those 100+ dollar cards.

[@ff10fire666]

Pieces of cardboard shouldnt be this expensive. To every TCG company please release common versions of all your cards so people can actually play your game without getting out a loan.

[@eduardowhiteknight6110]

Or donating plasma

[@richardstamm2144]

Yes and no, I still want the possibility that I can realistically pull value about equal to the box price. So sure there shouldn't be $100 staple cards, but only demand that high makes that return even remotely possible. The bigger problem might be that 95% of what you pull holds so little value in resale and in play that its essentially buying paper. The odds aren't distributed well over a larger pool of mid value cards. You get your starlight or you get a paperweight. Not sure how to realistically fix that either. If every card in a set is in demand, it's probably because it's so much more powerful than everything before it. Think POTE when it first dropped, and getting equal return on every other box. That one set is still a T1/0.5 threat after endless bans and restrictions. So what to do? Either approach the problem from gameplay or collection side. Maybe define/support some limited formats that allow konami more leeway to make interesting cards. Or introduce more art/collection cards that are chase rarity bumps for existing favorites, or introduce a more art focused type of inserted card not made for play so much as it's made to look good.

[@akiraishin7141]

One of the reasons I decided to create my own TCG. Hopefully they start to print these clearly sought after staple cards in bigger quantities and basic rarities like with Pokémon

[@sanic007]

@@akiraishin7141 Create your own?

[@cero9391]

So you want that a 70usd box contains basically a bunch of 30 cents pieces of cardboard?... thats not even fun buddy

[@hamsandwich6685]

Proxies. Eventually you hate being broke over cardboard, and proxies is the answer.

[@Nerdvanna98]

Funnily enough Duelist Nexus drew my attention because of the Crimson Dragon (which I still have yet to pull, but I pulled Revolution Synchron in my first 2 packs) since I'm a big anime card collector but I have absolutely no interest in Age of Overlords.

[@wbrodie55]

Yeah I just bought my t.g. singles. I love opening packs but I just want to guarantee that I'm going to get the cards I want. Which is usually anime support.

[@kringekobold]

A new Larry in the Hole would go crazy right about now

[@GamerZeroZX]

I remember when special editions were still a thing where they would sometimes release those top dollar cards as a super and also give you one other card in super as well. I think there were 3 or 4 cards you could pull and you would get a random 2 per special edition on top of 3 booster packs. I feel they should have kept doing things like this more often since, a special was like 10 dollars and you could still get the high rarity versions in the regular boosters if you wanted. I feel it attracted more people to buying sealed product in the TCG and, it also helped promote a better meta game since cards were more accessible

[@GG_Nowa]

The thing was later special editions didn't do this and most the link era sets sucked for it too as it was apo or bust or I:p or bust

[@Commonsensepreps]

Fun fact I bought 3 Japanese chaos angel for 11$ not long ago just to say I have it, but yeah ocg gets special privileges

[@zurajanaisephirothda3886]

Arguments I always hated: Just buy staples, you can play so many decks with it just buy engines, you can play so many decks with em brother in christ, I cant even afford the staples nor the engines, how the fck am I supposed to buy a deck let alone more than one Was thinking of getting back into TCG with my Salad deck but hell, the couple new cards it got that are good cost me around 100 in total because konami cant print a good legendary duelist sideset for their lifesake

[@martijnhertog4802]

You missed the solution to this problem. Print all cards in al raritys like in the OCG. Budget players can get commons while collectors can whale out the deck. And then we can talk about set quality.

[@apsamplifier]

This is the move

[@aj22231]

Unfortunately this will never change. I've been asking people if they have been happily paying almost $350 for a playset of T. T. Thrust. I don't buy the "pay to win cards". To this day I do not own crossout D.,T T thrust or talents. Even though they are cheaper now (besides thrust) I don't buy things for those prices when I know they will drastically fall and be reprinted in a year or two. Just to win at a tourney and say "this deck is good" when it really isn't and the only reason it wins is because my opponent sitting across from me can't afford the newest broken card but I can. Super lame, I put that kinda money in investing in yugioh like buying nostalgic and vintage cards. Everything else is just for fun.

[@alexandersavage305]

I prefer the Duelist Nexus model, but the AGOV model is safer for our local card shops, and it keeps the wheel turning. I can’t afford to play this format, but my local shop is still open and still selling Yugioh, and that’s enough for me. As far as the QCR vs Starlight debate, I think the QCR seeding is far more exciting. It actually feels like you have a chance to get one, without having to buy a case or more.

[@hickknight]

It's exactly this that most people in the comments don't seem to understand. On the one hand, I'd love for the GAME PIECES to be accessible, but that also means much lower margins for LGS's. On the other, it makes the card game itself less accessible. And I want to remind everyone that LGS's are already running very low margins of profit. Yet those are the places that you generally get to play the games. Right now, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario for people who love their LGS...

[@dylanhelvetios2300]

Proxy cards should be legal to use for any cards that can only be found past ultra rare rarity.

[@nathanvig4401]

I'm conflicted on this scenario, because I was able to turn one box of age of Overlord into two plus extra packs plus like a full core to Vanquish soul. Whenever I see a card over $2 I weigh if I actually want it, So I'm excited when a set can have such great pull cards but also at the same time a little disappointed when if the set runs out (like it did at two card shops) it becomes so much harder to just trade for any cards I might be looking for. But I do love the fact that it feels like they made some common cards that are actually somewhat powerful and something to fear on your radar

[@stayflyxx]

I'm conflicted. I've gotten a lot of value from opening this set and I'm excited at the prospect of winning some additional ones. Plus like you said this is good for the stores. However cards should not get THIS high in price. It shouldn't be 200+ dollars for 4 cards, even if I can sell my pulls to make it back (I'm keeping my 25CR Witch though cuz she's beautiful). Do a lower rarity version of the hot cards in the next set or even the OTS packs so people don't have to wait too long to get the cards at a decent price.

[@TinPrince]

Quarter Century Secrets remind me of the OCG Prismatic Secrets which is honestly great. As someone who primarily plays off-meta decks it's nice to still have high rarity options I can get for the deck that look nice (I picked up a Dark Knight lancer from here for example).

[@djolemisic3348]

I don't mind if a set has a chase card that turns out to be an extra deck staple and gets expensive. If it's a 1 of in the extra deck, that is fine, but if it's any more than that, then you have a problem. I think the last time we got an extra deck card that made an impact on the game so much was Barone or Acesscode.

[@GG_Nowa]

33% of all top cut decks played 2 at indy This is becoming something where having 2 is going to be needed

[@timothyleonard2869]

Never too late to decide as a community that proxy cards are ok to use, it will change the way Konami goes about things from then on out change my mind?

[@sanic007]

Wow, $500 for a card, if someone were to sell that card successfully, they might as well not need a job anymore. Oh wait, that's a bad thing.

[@NarutoxinZ]

I'd love to live in a reality where $500 dollars can set someone for life, I really would.

[@MrLegion501st]

One thing is that commons are useless and worthless these days too. Konami increased the number of secret per set (now 10) but not the pull rate. Is a bad thing and they should do the same thing as OCG and releasing the same card on multiple rarities on the same set so you have the budget option and the max rarity/collector option. S:P Little Knight is locked as a secret rare on TCG but is a super with also the opportunity to get it as a secret and quarter century rare on OCG.

[@Lobster44]

Yep, no incentive to buy a box when I get 5 of every common, almost all of which I don't need, yet get at most 2 of the secrets I was looking for, when they're a 3 of. It baffles me how this system is the one they've decided will net them more profit, I'd be much happier buying a box if there was at least a chance i'd hit most the things I needed

[@jeremiahriley663]

I think everyone can agree when i say that is sucks when we get some awesome new cards that are going to shake up the meta only to find out that it's gonna cost an arm and a leg in order to get those cards. im speaking as a man who plays rescue ace. i just spent a lot of time and money trying to get a rescue-ace deck. now i have to spend 100's of dollars so that i can play rescue-ace as optimally as possible, otherwise i wont be able to get good results. some people will argue that this isn't a big deal at locals, even though a lot of people also play meta at locals as well.

[@Darc_Saber]

Konami needs to find a balance with their packs. With how inflation is right now, people can barely afford to eat, let alone drop $500 on a single card. It's even worst if people want to try the new archetypes. What they need to do is make the high impact cards more available in packs so it's cheaper to obtain. Not everyone can drop the equivalent of my mortgage to build a new deck every time the meta shifts.

[@The_BigB]

Here's another speculative thought. Maybe 100 dollars cards could be beneficial. Stores already have issues selling product, but there's more incentive to buy packs and participate in store tournaments if these cards are this high. 50+ dollar cards aren't too crazy and personally seen people buy them, but triple digits might be high enough for people to not want to pay outright

[@The_BigB]

It's comes to a point where we can't play certain cards when they're too high, but even when meta cards come out, it makes the games more interesting sometimes seeing other tech people use to play against our play instead of.

[@PathBeyondTheDark]

You can't determine where the price will fall before release. You can make educated guesses, sure, but you have to wait for it to release in whatever rarity and at whatever ratio first, then wait to see what the demand is. Sounds stupid right? The only way to fix the issue is to be able to *100%* guarantee the price of a card be somewhat affordable yet still profitable prior to release, but you cannot do that. Welcome to Capitalism and all its flaws.

[@starbound100]

I disagree. Having cards of that High rarity and value disuades me fro buying sealed, because: 1) the odds are so microscopic to pull It that realisticaly I am wasting Money 2) said money would go into buying the single card, that since It is so expensive, I have to refrain from buying any other product 3) to having a chance to pull It, I'd have to win the tournament and get the prize, something that without said staple card becomes harrowing to do, especially if you have whales Who already shelled out to have It Honestly, the only solution to me looks like starting to print in multiple rarities, like in the OCG, so that players can get basic Staples, while collectors can get the shinies

[@The_BigB]

@@starbound100 I understand that point entirely. But at the end of the day it's a trading card game and these systems and how they are ran were implemented from the start. Is much harder to justify this "kids" game in everyday life with a price tag game keeping people from accessing. But there's an argument that there's other ways to play a build or a deck, even if not how you want to play it, without these cards per se And not agreeing but we when here before when something is expensive, then reprints, and then power creep. It's a love hate cycle we're all a part of.

[@zerozeus3267]

The value of the cards in a box has to be high enough so that shops get decent margins off selling the boxes. If the supply of the cards in the market is a lot larger than the demand, the cards won't hold value. The more casual audience of the game wants cards to be as cheap as possible, because they don't want to spend too much of their precious money on a light hobby. Collectors and people that open boxes for profit want the expected value of each box to be as high as possible, otherwise they won't buy boxes, and these are the main responsibles for supplying the singles market. Professional players want the cards and packs that they win for performing well in tournaments to be valuable, otherwise they don't feel like they are getting rewarded for the effort they put in to win, but at the same time, they are also the ones buying the most quantities of the very expensives cards of each set. At the end of the day, different people want different things out of a yugioh booster box, and it is hard to please everyone.

[@shinox7892]

Konami could easily fix this issue with two things: 1: Implement the OCG's rarity system into the TCG 2: Alternate Arts of chase cards so there's both value in the set while having a cheaper version for more budget players

[@tweekin7out]

i said about as much in an MBT video that it's insane that YGO players just accept konami releasing a blatantly powercrept generic card that costs $100+ per copy, is needed to be competitive, and will almost certainly be banned eventually and got nothing but hate in the replies.

[@eduardowhiteknight6110]

They are shills

[@LightshaverConstellation]

Yeah. It's unfortunate too because Konami see these people who probably never sniffed a top cut in any Konami or online non Konami event eat this up and keep doing this. Like unless you are an investor, there's not much of a reason to defend tcg Konami practice along with the secondary market related to prices. Making cards in multiple rarities really helps everyone as people have access to cards, and you have the big chase cards that would make a whale blush.

[@PathBeyondTheDark]

It's a generic card akin to Zeus or Accesscode. I don't see it being banned, more likely I.P: is since that's the facilitator ala Halquifibrax. That said, yes it's infuriating how much the community buys into it. But this comes from almost exclusively one of two types of people: 1) Those who seek financial gain or value and 2)those fortunate enough to be able to afford it even at a loss. There is no consideration for anyone else. But that's humanity for ya.

[@skeletingking]

Foil cards will move whether they're the only printing or not. Cards EXCLUSIVELY being 'Secret' Rares is a ridiculous and predatory practice that should NOT persist. They added a SECOND Secret Rare to these sets rather than bumping everything down from Secret to Ultra and lower, rather than just reworking Secret to be the foil 'upgrade' to anything Ultra and below. It's gotten ridiculous, there are far too many Secret Rare cards in a set list and far too few Secret Rare cards in a box, either they print more Secrets per box to put them more on par with what we have with Ultras or they need to do away with making mechanically unique cards only one of the 3 rarities.

[@ghostface_d3607]

I don't mind having certain special rarities be super expensive for the whales and collectors, but there should always be a cheaper/easier to obtain base rarity to keep the secondary market from running away with the price gouging. The issue starts when the basic cards that allow your deck to run are short printed and increase the base cost of just being able to play any deck worth playing. Reprints of important cards also shouldn't be a rare occasion

[@jhonasbroto]

Yes, i really want to play blue eyes deck but some card are WAY too much expensive and it kind of becomes unaffordable

[@justinkassel4281]

I set they still short print in main sets is ridiculous I brought 2 boxes for sp and what do I pull the crappy tg spell

[@basementgoblin]

This is crazy because I got all the decks I wanted from Duelist Nexus, like Tistina, the new Illusion stuff, and Infernobles. I don't think I got much out of Age of Overlord, and least Tistina Ultras are cheap so I can get the rest of them. I wanted the SnakeEye/Diabellstar stuff but I only got Full Armor and Horus stuff, Horus is too high rarity for me to want to build it. It's fine though because I'm looking forward to Valiant Strikers, all 3 archtypes I'm looking forward to there.

[@jakesharrocks3803]

for me, the problem isnt with the set releases, don't force me to pick from bad sets but low costs, or good sets and high costs. The problem lies in rarity. S:P could've been a super, and it would've been £10 for how good the card is. Konami could've done that, but they didn't, and now my friends are selling their lists to afford this barrier to entry.

[@Eric.mov_]

I have been so incredibly lucky with my pulls over the last few sets. I pulled 2 Thrust after buying 1 1/2 boxes traded for the 3rd with the other cards I pulled. Used store credit to buy 1 box of AGOV and pulled SP off the rip. If I had to buy these cards to play competitively I wouldn’t know what to do

[@laby1827]

Wanted SP little night for my S-force deck, but I guess i'll have to wait years for a cheap reprint

[@-Pulsar-]

If Konami wants to fix the value of products they should go back to the way boxes were during the start of the pendulum era before Breaker of shadows. Back then you had cards come out in multiple rarities you could get a "Dark Rebellion XYZ dragon" a sought after staple at the time in multiple rarities that pushed the price of the secret rare version of it down. Every secret came also out in ulltimate and 2 of these cards also got a ghost version. With 2 ghosts pair case of 12 boxes. You were able to get boxes with 2 "Rebellions" for example also the Ghost did not eat a spot from the ulti or the secret spot. Ultimates and ghosts were more accesible and a good way for people to invest into a collection, they were affordable 'cause of that style of rarity distribution. Also rarity bumping that is something konami does in the TCG shamelessly right now, was a lot harder to do cause of that old style of boxes that they had. Ironically that era from "Duelist Alliance" to "Dimensions of Chaos" was the one era were rarity bumping was almost extinct from main sets. Sorry for the text wall inner angry nerd took over. XD

[@Trey50Daniel]

No staple cards should be released only in secret rare. If they want to have a max rarity version of the staples that's fine, but I should not be essentially required to drop $100 on a single card to be competitive. It's just unfair to the average player if they want to get into competitive. Just look at how much Pokemon competitive decks cost and they actually have prizing for their tournaments. There's no reason for this happening, but Konami in the US is extremely greedy.

[@MrPoisonBee]

I don't usually buy singles over $10 a piece. If I ever go above that, it's only either by a dollar or two or it's because of shipping. In other words, I won't get my hands on something like S:P Little Knight unless I either pull it or if I can work out a trade with someone. I'm personally fine with that though. I'm not a super competitive player, so I don't need to have all of the expensive staples and top tier deck cores.

[@angeloflgt]

Honestly what should happen is the functional cards should all be accessible, but there should be fancier versions like alternative arts and foiling, so Yu-Gi-Oh is like half way there. Basically i think secrets should all be higher rarity versions of the cards at ultra and lower in the same set and that would be my ideal rarity distribution for yugioh.

[@dylanhelvetios2300]

25th century cards should have been artwork variants...

[@highsol222]

Basically...Piece of shinny cardboard should never be that expensive. But yugioh players are masochists so they like when it gets expensive. Gotta have those chase cards so I can feel something or why bother right?

[@DarkRonin]

As a new yugioh player who lives in a country where there are no yugioh cards i buy them from ebay but all the good decks or cards even commons cost mor than 30 dollars when you can buy them cheaper for 11 or when i wanna buy single commons they are still expensive i am not looking for super rare shining glowing holo cards i just want good cards to play not to put on a display or show others my ridiculously expensive card i just wanna play and i don't care even if i had commons at least they would be good commons

[@Ninjagospinjitzu22]

I like how *certain* Yugitubers spin the narrative that having expensive chase cards in sets that do well such as Age of Overlord somehow equates to the game doing well. In reality, this could not be further from the truth; it gate-keeps/money-locks aspiring players from trying these new strategies out because they cannot afford these new cards. In other words, this is anti-consumerism, no whats, buts, and ifs about it.

[@Cybertech134]

All cards, including the meta cards should have an extremely cheap common version and an expensive high rarity version

[@OrpheusAristo]

As much as I know Nexus was kind of a dud set, it actually gave me a deck I was comfortable with/liked taking to locals in Infernoble. The only thing I'm missing is a little night, which I can wait for. Release time as well as powerful generic support sadly determines price as well. A lot of the splash-able engines and tech cards came out right as a YCS happened, so there was probably a large influx of competitors buying in on it, leaving not much left out there. Prices will probably get better as more stuff gets pulled, though it will probably still be too high on the "must haves".

[@RobRuckus65]

The insane cost of certain cards is a huge prohibitive factor for card games. I've played mtg for a very long time on and off and building a new deck from scratch is down right outrageously priced. It's cardboard with a picture and words on it no single piece should cost hundreds or even thousands of dollars but they do. It's sad when spendding $200 dollars on a deck is considered the budget version I have a few decks worth over a 1000 each and they could easily approach 5-10 thousand if I swapped out budget choices for the best in slots.

[@destroier920]

YGO TCG has gotten itself into a "catch 22", if the set is bad it's card are accessible but everyone who has to buy boxes, loses value, but if the sets are good the chase cards are sohigh value that it's prohibitivly expensive to buy the needed cards for new decks. It's almost as if the whole rarity model of TCG is deeply flawed and rigged against a healthy TCG environment, as in, maybe if you could get the same card in multiple rarities, like in OCG or in the new 25th anni set you would not have as terrible of a value disparity between sets.

[@MythicDomain]

The thing is that it doesn't need to be either of these things, we could just get strong exciting sets that have the strong cards printed in multiple rarities both lower and higher so that the game is accessible for all, but still has high rarities for people that care about them.

[@itsupstart1473]

Speaking of Revolution Synchron. My brother bought 4 packs from target and pulled it from one of the packs.

[@Genesh]

I prefer when they are cheaper like duelist nexus. It helped getting the infernoble cards

[@keelanperumal1980]

Had this same issue with cyberstorm access. Bought 4 boxes just to get Quem, Chaos angel, Cartesia and more for a branded deck is insanely a gamble because of the rarities. These cards sometimes don't even get reprints and are only avalible in that specific rarity in that specific set. I get the appeal of getting those super high rarity card pulls because of there market values but at the same time if they offered lower rarities, a lot of players wouldn't have to break bank just to get 1 of said cards. Because most of the time the card cost more than a booster box just because of it's rarity. The OCG seems to make it a lot feasible and easier to get access these cards compared to TCG which is a bummer cause of how Meta runs with a lot of decks. Running just 1 of a lot of "staple" cards is just not enough.

[@rougetierduelist2497]

Perfect example of this is wild survivors and vanquish soul. They knew exactly what they were doing making all of those cards ultra rare, and no alternative. Now it’s not a highly represented deck because it costs over 200+ bucks plus shipping for this deck. When an easier to obtain commons would’ve been nice to print in.

[@AC34D]

If we had more stuff in the middle, for say $50, I think everyone would win

[@ODDiSEE_]

First people complain about cards being cheap, now peole will compain about them being too expensive. There is no winning.

[@MegaSolopolo]

You told a half truth which is a lie. People complain about the cheap quality of cards.

[@yuseifido5706]

It's almost like every set has been terrible in some way and konami needs to seriously reconsider how they are making product. With the way product is structured now, when cards are cheap stores suffer and when cards are expensive players suffer.

[@gerharddamm5933]

Only investards complain about cheap product

[@ODDiSEE_]

@@yuseifido5706 each box should have 4 secrets imo, and 8 ultras, and have two more packs. I will die in the hill that yugioh needs to copy the pokemon card rarity system. Chase cards should come in multiple rarities a set.

[@jackemerson615]

First off the prices are determined by the players. If a card goes up in price then the buyers are driving that price upwards. So if a booster box cost $40 then there aren’t many cards that buyers find appealing in that set vs. a $100 box where there’s bangers throughout the set and you’ve got a lot of buyers driving the price of the card up. Just like last year with Darkwing blast vs a set like dimension force. So if a set goes up in value then it’s better for both buyers and sellers and it shows their product has strong value, you’ll never see a $40 box with an $60-$80 secret rare in it. Even Pokémon booster boxes are over $100 and some magic boxes are in the $300-$400 mark it shows you the value of their products.

[@PathBeyondTheDark]

Different people want different things. The appropriate direction to go is whatever allows the most amount of people to enjoy the game while keeping the revenue exchange cycle healthy. The issue with bad sets is hobby stores are negatively affected. I'm not the one to come to when it comes to defending Capitalism, I despise it, but as long as it exists I also don't want decent people to lose profit to the point it's detrimental to them and to the community around them.

[@animeking1357]

I haven't done it yet but this is the reason I'll be making proxies for me and my brother. I shouldn't have to pay 30 bucks for 3 cards Blue-Eyes Alternative White Dragon!!!

[@YugiHunter]

This is definitely a set that you go oh needed right now. Also I love QCS as long as Konami doesn’t keep printing them after this fiscal year

[@megaman243]

Boxes still selling for $60-$70 is not good for shops, especially small shops. It costs around $60 (not including fees) just to get the boxes from distributors. It's a neg for most shops to sell them. Only way to see a big profit is if the boxes sell for around $100, which is around the actual MSRP of the product of main sets that folks forget. Inflation continues to hurt card shops, but players still want boxes to remain the same price since pre-covid. RIP

[@stevenoconnor3256]

This is essentially gambling, you're hoping to get something valuable so you spend more and more money.

[@historyking9984]

I prefer lower cost . See it’s great there’s some good cards in the set but it’s key cards for archetypes . You can’t play horus or diabelstar or anything like that without those key cards.

[@MaliEndz]

Low cost sets are bad for the overall market and the shops that buy into these sets. Its the reason why alot of shops stop selling yugioh because alot of recent sets were flops. Sucks that these cards are pricey but they are good cards so the price reflects that

[@starbound100]

​@@MaliEndzobjectively incorrect. Those sets don't sell because the ONLY good cards are those top heavy secret rares that are impossible to pull, so opening a box Is a net loss rather than just selling it sealed. Problem is that It got so bad that people are wisening up and stopped buying sealed alltogether, and the unsold stock becomes a loss, wich Is why shops don't carry the product anymore. Sets are not selling because Konami wanting all the money and scumming players with artificiale scarcity is finally reaching the tipping point. OCG never had this kind of problem.

[@MaliEndz]

@@starbound100 its not objectively incorrect lol I literally said that its now more enticing to buy sealed product because there are better value cards in this set than there have been for the past year. This set if anything will easily make up for shops that invested in previous sets that flopped. And if anything the numbers prove my point. There are more people buying into this set than basically anything else that released this year

[@animeking1357]

​@@starbound100The Traptrix deck is the first sealed product I've bought in about 3 years and only because I knew the exact cards I was getting. Otherwise I only buy singles. I support my lgs by buying deck boxes and sleeves.

[@paulsalas631]

I WANT NEITHER. Make good card distributed across multiple rarities. All secret cards must be useful cards that deserve that ratity. The boxes will sell then.

[@SDREHXC]

Ah yes, the ever revolving TCG player problem. I don’t want my things to cost money but I also want to them to infinitely retain if not increase in their value. I recently got into magic and watching the community constantly in a state of rage about the game in various ways is hilarious tbqh. Nobody actually knows what they want they just want everything to be in their favour at all times.

[@bleack8701]

I don't understand why Konami in the west doesn't just print the same products as Konami in Japan. Why do we have to get ripped off with these price tags?

[@GG_Nowa]

What others games is there breathing down it's neck?? Like there's zero reason when konami can see ycs indy had 100% little knight rep atleast one copy

[@jeanlouissaint96]

I think we want the ocg printing type of set were we get lower rarity printings so it doesn’t bar players with such a high price tag but gives value to the sets with the higher rarity

[@rubensteinsean]

Personally, I'd prefer it if sets were somewhere in between having really good cards and decently priced. But knowing how Konami handles the TCG, it doesn't look like we'll be getting that. It's kind of ridiculous how 1 card can reach up to $100.....pretty insane. Now if you're a competitive player who goes to big events, I can see why spending the money on said card could be valuable, you'll get a lot of mileage out of that. But if you're like a locals-only player like myself, then paying that much for 1 card definitely seems unreasonable.

[@Mapijs]

It would be good if everything released would have 1-2 decent cheap decks or engines to build and 1 or 2 more expensive engines. I think, sadly, AoO being this expensive is a good thing, if everything had the same value as the previous set and the fire support, then no store owner would order yugioh again. I really hope the rarity collection will be a success and that we see more packs in the future with all cards in all rarities

[@Griffithdidnothingwrong7]

Shops have dropped yugioh due to this years stings of “cheap” sets costing them thousands of dollars lol. Aint no money in “cheap and affordable” people need to get a grip especially in this economy.

[@starbound100]

Problem is sets are so riddiculously top heavy that you either pull the quarter century secret rare, or at least the Chase card super staple secret rare, you ARE going to lose money. Most ultras cost cents. I'd rather Konami print secret rares as ultras in the same set as well, so that by playability they will get value, and more players can use them, while having the secrets for collectors and blingers (like most successful TCG do, print in multiple rarities).

[@Billy_Wyatt]

The community set those prices and the rest are the ones who are willing to pay such value. If the demand for said cards is there, then everything should be absolutely fine.

[@FabledSorcerer]

For how much I paid for a box of this set (around $82.00) after tax and the value of what I pulled (roughly $30.00) I'd say I'd prefer the boxes to be cheaper if I'm always going to pull that poorly which is usually the case. It makes me either want to buy singles or just give up on the game when I open a box at this point and I've played this tcg since it first came out.

[@_hub]

For end consumers/players the best thing would be for the western tcg to adopt the ocg rarity system, ie playable cards being available in hype chase rarirties, as well as lower base rarities. For stores this set is great because they have no issue making margin, but Konami needs to addresss the piss poor EV of previous and future sets (shoutouts duelists of the deep lol). Sadly this is harder to do for konami because their card design philosophy isnt as ridgid as Bandai is with one piece (for example). The game is centered around leaders and their clan/type, with the same formula of searchers, 2k counters, staples etc etc. It allows Bandai to fill alot of common/rare/super rare slots well without effort. You have meta decks being born and dying within the span of a few sets incentivising all parties to be involved heavily with each set, at the cost of power creep.

[@MaliEndz]

The cards are extremely good and the price reflects that, I dont see the issue. If anything people were warning you that these cards would go up after presales. This is a welcomed change because prior there was zero reason to buy sealed product because they were terrible

[@BigBoi898]

There is still zero reason to buy sealed products unless you are a reseller (so you can do so in massive qunatities), cause if you buy 1-2 boxes of boosters, you'll likely lose money on them. The problem with Konami is that they fill packs with fillers, absolute junk, and all the power is concentrated in 1-2 high rarity powercards. You are playing a gatcha mobile game IRL.

[@MaliEndz]

@@BigBoi898 the point is sealed product is much more appealing to open with AGOV because there are multiple cards in the set that will allow me to get my money back or at least majority of it and decent trade bait. I cant say the same for most sets in the past year.

[@user-xh9fr9ci4c]

Well, I know I am late to the party, but I'll chime in. Personally with me, I think the middle ground might be something to look at. Perhaps have some really good cards that obviously are the better options that everyone might want to run, and have some more budget friendly options (maybe short printed a little for "rarity" sake). Think like confiscation and the forceful century. One you pay life points to use and it goes to the graveyard, and the other you don't have a cost and it clogs up your opponents deck a little. But no matter which one you like more, they both are a minus one for your opponent and you have hand info on them. It's not flawless, but it's an idea is all. IDK Shrug

[@iconuchiha16]

In my opinion this is a lose lose situation as with card games your job is to make sure you are making it where shops and collectors want your game but at the same time you want your game to be easy for casual and new people to play that means stuff also has to be both valuable while also affordable in my opinion this is a very difficult task as you said age of overlord is a good set but is it a set that a casual or new player will look at and think positive about compared to nexus where cards are cheaper and more affordable again this is my opinion everyone will look at this differently the way i see it someone who's casual/new may see age of overlord as a off putting point compared to a long term player

[@thestormtrooperwhocanaim496]

Yes… If they print the cards at common too like pokemon or ocg

[@michaelh.1484]

That's always been the problem since ever. What comes first, collectible or game? If it's a staple, that's the thing about the Pokemon TCG I like. Some of the staples are rares, but they're reprinted a ton to the point the game is dirt cheap to play competitively.

[@Banunkie]

I hard disagree with this type of thing. If I wanted the Star engine plus 2 Little Knight then I'd be forking over around £350. For a full deck of 55 cards that is already insane but considering that is literally around 10 cards pretty much gatekeeps the engine from me. I find it crazy that full decks and even engines can go for so much in yugioh when for the same amount of money I could buy like 3 custom built commander decks, deck boxes and sleeves for each of them. I would rather every yugioh set feature ever so slightly above average cards and have lower price points than having crazy expensive chase cards like this.

[@The_BigB]

The last time I saw prices like this was when secret slayers came out

[@stevendefeo8424]

People want their personal belongings to be worth something. How people pass things down to their children and their children’s children. Point is yugioh and magic the gathering are our treasures. It makes us feel good that our cards are worth actual value. The downfall is staple cards become expensive. I believe this is why these staple cards will keep their value.

[@GG_Nowa]

Why are you treating a game as an investment though.

[@ssontns8966]

Give every secret rare a super rare version to pull you'll have super rares with some value but affordable enough to buy what you want and you can still pull your 2 or 3 secret rares out the box to have a chance to get the higher value version. So you can either buy the 15-20$ super little knight or the 100$ secret little knight. Stuff like this is what keeps people away from the tcg because why would i spend 200$ for the diabellestar engine or 100$ for a little knight when i can just pull them out of my ass in master duel with some UR dust whenever these cards release on there

[@KitsuneHimeR]

Age of Overlord is much better. I stopped doing locals because I didn't want Duelist Nexus price support . I plan to start going again , now. They should probably slightly reduce the number of quarter century rares ; even just removing 5-6;still leaves a lot of options

[@tachbutler8767]

To answer the video's title question: I just want to play and enjoy the game - win or lose. Also, to echo another person, a common or rare version (or something that isn't high value to people who are not solely collectors) of a lot of cards for game would help players. The collector in me is happy that certain card gain value but cringe a little to think that the card's value is effected by how much it see play (as play usually affects the condition of the cards). The duelist part of me is happy that these cards are gaining value based on use, I just wish there value didn't co-mingle with collection value. I suppose that is the problem more than anything, that there is no way to purely gage a card's value based on the two views of people who get cards.

[@takuya6194]

Personally, if konami wants to draw in new players and continue to keep their veterans, they should look to pokemon as an example of how to handle the rarity in their cards. The thing is, yugioh is LITERALLY an IRL pay to win scenario. In order to keep up with the latest trends in meta decks, or even try to jump in on favorited archetypes, you have to buy cards that are basically rarity locked/short printed which means spending more money on those cards if you wanna play the game or even come close to being competitively optimal. Sure, it adds value to your game, but what use is that if you lack a player base to begin with? Just my opinion, but when you have one game printing their cards in multiple rarities and still having value in gameplay, it makes a huge difference when it comes to keeping interest in the game.