Most Wanted : The Story of The Biggest And Most Notorious Cheater In Yugioh History - Roy St. Clair

[@AlexKidwell1]

Holy shit. I did not expect the KZbin algorithm to hit me with a video about an old friend. Not to mention my own name being mentioned lol This was a trip. I had kind of blocked all this from my memory tbh. Probably because it was fucking traumatic. I used to playtest a lot with Roy for a stretch ('04-'05), and we traveled to a handful of regionals together for both YGO and VS. While he definitely was incapable of handling losing (I sometimes caught him cheating at, say, poker with no money on the line), he also absolutely had legitimately impressive deckbuilding and game skills. He was always WAY quicker than me at seeing combos and strategic opportunities that the new sets presented, and I'd like to think I was OK for a stretch there (I probably wasn't, at least not at VS). I learned a lot from him in the couple of years we hung out together. His reputation for getting reported for shenanigans definitely seemed like it was starting to precede him towards the end of my time in the games. That instance in question sucked because while I am a bit of a pushover, and maybe loyal to a fault, I was never a cheater. My shitty track record could speak to that. I was pissed because I did not want or need Roy's help there. I was doing well in a major event all by myself for the first fucking time in my VS career, and it was taken away because of some shit I couldn't control. But I do think he was trying to help me. For him, he was just being a good friend. It is what it is. I kind of dropped out of the community after all that. I didn't have passion for it anymore, I felt (still do) like it was all handled horrifically by the judges present, I was headed to college, and I also felt really guilty about Roy's situation, even though in hindsight I didn't actually do anything wrong. He was a force of personality, for damn sure. He had me very convinced I had fucked him over. Regardless, some of these comments are pretty foul. But that's KZbin for you, I guess. R.I.P. Roy. Fell out of touch a long time ago, but I'm glad to see you're still being talked about, big guy.

[@noahperez7985]

he died ????

[@alexandermckay9521]

@@noahperez7985 Did you not watch the video?

[@Maxim0M1]

My condolences. Despite his reputation, he did seem like an incredibly smart guy and definitely a remarkable person. Not many people can push through hurdles like he did and still keep his enthusiasm and perseverance throughout the years in situations where 99% of people would just move on or desist. If anything, I think his talent and energy were held back by some of his other personality traits. It's natural that when people look at the situation from the outside they focus on the negative aspects mostly. They hold no attachment to the person and lack knowledge on the whole context, after all. What happened to him was a sad turn of events, regardless of anyone's opinions on the matter.

[@lolovolpi]

holy shit guy is in the shadow realm

[@dandastardly2792]

@@noahperez7985 yes he died

[@joe88john]

I love how a guy who literally said "Who cares if I cheat, all the pros do it" wasn't outright banned from the game at that point.

[@ultraatari9298]

It's true though. Have you played magic? Ever played against an AI? For someone that wants to so bad deny someone's personhood you sure don't treat them like an AI

[@kana22693]

Because they know he was straight-up spitting facts! If Roy said that all the pros cheat and you ban him for being a shameless cheater but later find one of your sponsor's "darlings" cheating, what are you gonna do about it at that point? Since you've created a precedent with Roy, now you're gonna have to enforce your own rules fairly and no one wants that. They need a bit of corruption in the tournament scene in order to make more money.

[@kagemushashien8394]

@@ultraatari9298 can you say it in English please

[@NyscanRohid]

@@ultraatari9298 Yeah, I have no idea what you're saying.

[@brianmatzen9617]

@@ultraatari9298 he hasn’t played since 2010 and has since died

[@Sickdudenomnomnom]

"[...] passed away 3 years ago." "[...] Roy if you ever see this video, I hope I told your story well." Looks like somone believes that Roy even *cheated* death

[@aschaurora]

This.. should be top comment

[@KnakuanaRka]

@@aschaurora It is. ^w^

[@meanoldfatlady5071]

yeah I got confused there if he's dead or not

[@whyisblue923taken]

He is a master of cheating. He changed his name and appearance and became a judge.

[@SpicyRess808]

How did he died do young ???

[@sammydelorenzi]

He didn’t cheat, he just activated his Destiny Draw skill

[@vagz2537]

Lmao he lost 2000lp

[@thugnificent210]

@@NovaXII if you're losing to destiny draw you're bad...

[@amaze2173]

Lol

[@titan0292]

Destiny draws only strategy is hope you can survive until turn 3 lol

[@cbbblue8348]

He's from astral world he just activating his shining draw

[@enormousearl8838]

Friends: "Roy didn't cheat, it's all a conspiracy because they hate him" Roy: "Yeah I cheated and I'm not sorry"

[@justins.4839]

“See, I never just did things just to do them. Come on, what am I gonna do? Just all of a sudden jump up and grind my feet on somebody's couch like it's something to do? Come on. I got a little more sense then that. ...Yeah, I remember grinding my feet on Eddie's couch.”

[@Krimzj]

Knew him from 13 years old. He was always a prick. Punched him in the face once, too.

[@andrewhastings8244]

@@Krimzj mind if you elaborate more, just curious what happened when you two met, also I’m not sure if your lying or not

[@pascualcastelan4621]

@@justins.4839 you deserve a beer sir

[@fadeskywards1245]

... BWWWHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Friends be like: dude da phuc

[@thenegotiator2845]

He didn't cheat, he believed in the heart of the cards!

[@bubblegumgun3292]

Lol he was just using duel links skills

[@firesonic1010]

But the heart of the cards wasn't with him though. Cheaters never have the heart of the cards.

[@saad.f101]

Yugi taught him well

[@alaacharaf_]

R/woooshhhh... ​@@firesonic1010

[@firesonic1010]

@@alaacharaf_ you know what, you're right. Looking back, I deserve that woosh.

[@O6i]

Remember back in the day when Kaiba would normal summon 3x Blue Eyes without tributes and no one batted and eye. Now days you try that and kids run for the judge like Randal runs to Miss Finster

[@MegaCapitalG]

My name is Randall...

[@O6i]

@@MegaCapitalG lmfao whaaat no way. It was a reference to a cartoon show called recess! XD my bad sorry!

[@theone1480]

sadly a board ending on 3 blue eyes wouldnt even be good now

[@wanderlustwarrior]

This card game whomps.

[@justapokegal]

Funny enough, Kaiba is the one who introduced tributes in Battle City, so in the Duelist Kingdom era you could summon with no tributes needed, right? So he technically didn’t do anything wrong 😂

[@shadotarot]

The nostalgia hits hard with these early 2000s decks.

[@Saixjacket]

The zombyra deck is like...... too beautiful for words

[@cihuacoatl1887]

Cant believe x sabers was meta. In duel links is unplayable.

[@alanm.335]

Trap Hole! That is sooooo old!

[@scottmartin8888]

Yeah, stuff i actually recognize. Lots of the cards I grew up with

[@LedosKell]

As someone who stopped playing in 2005, this hurts since I have almost every card shown in this video. Maybe I should dig them out of shoebox storage and sell them.

[@elin111]

The more cheaters get used to cheating the more careless they become in their cheating, that's how they get caught.

[@LowtherR]

Same with thieves

[@lydiamourningstar2028]

@@LowtherR and serial killers

[@King_Cova]

@@LowtherR Thieves usually get better at it.

[@King_Cova]

@@lydiamourningstar2028 Serial killers get to a point where they want to be caught, it's all a game to them, serial killers don't get sloppy.

[@NiceOCGuy1981]

Anyone who cheats, really doesn't know how to play the game. Even 5 to 7 year olds are better then them.

[@MaSTARMedia]

I knew Roy! He used to come to my locals. I remember beating his frog monarch deck once and he was LIVID. He was a very highly skilled player. I never saw him cheat but he definitely lied and rule sharked a ton. I remember nationals 2009 and how he would ask his opponents every to announce entering to and leaving every single phase or he would shark them, as they played cards without leaving a phase, getting Roy to call a judge and roll back. I lost to Billy Brake that year.. Is he really dead? Thought I heard something about that a while ago.

[@THA_FinalBOSS]

I see you MaStar! Didn’t know you had a Yugioh past, let’s get some animation on it 😁

[@beyondeons8857]

Ayyy!!! Its the boy MaSTAR! Can’t wait for your new content! Keep grinding boss, you’re about to change the game!

[@deadagain66]

What was the cause of death

[@spaceghost8886]

Aint u that dude that traces anime then acts like u made it? lmaooooooo

[@AnTunZee]

@@deadagain66 he had to play by the rules

[@KZ1994able]

If you aint cheating, you aint trying - Eddie Guerrero

[@assasin616]

LIE, CHEAT, STEAL!

[@1ZosoLZ]

uuiuuu chavo

[@AutoArtemAuto]

Viva La Raza!

[@blandmitten5055]

I'm your papi

[@werewolfking2249]

F me

[@DeathLeprecon]

Roy Sinclair even sounds like the dub name of a character who cheats at duel monsters while playing against the protagonists.

[@synclimatic7800]

Not sinclair, Roy St. Clair

[@Another_Hibiki]

@@synclimatic7800 Is just change the name in 4kids to Rory Saintclear

[@8bitjackalope37]

He thought he was the greatest of Marik's rare hunters

[@Dilbert1999]

But it's only bad when he does it for some reason.

[@YugiohMaster1987]

Funny thing...that's not his actual legal name. Lol

[@Diceman82]

As someone that played professionally in other lesser known ccgs; yes cheating is fairly rampant, but so are scummy judges, staff and baseless accusations of cheating. For example Score entertainments CCG's (Bleach, DBZ, Yuyuhakusho and even Zach Belle for some reason) were absolutely notorious for this kind of thing. A judge in particular Aik would make a call for one of his known friends and then make an exact opposite call in the same situation in the same tournament. Some judges would distribute opposing players deck-list, restricted cards were distributed via staff in obvious favoritism and the entire "named " and "unnamed " player culture was toxic in ways LOL wish it could be. An example would be in he first Grand Kai invitational(that I missed qualifying for by a single placement, but a friend of mine did)A relatively unknown player was playing a majin buu stall-ball deck.This man had an absolutely spotless history playing MTG and was fairly well known in that game consistently placing t16-t8 in regional and decently in nationals. That Grand Kai invitational was packed with heavy damage draw decks and his deck hard countered many of the people he played. making top cut with 7/1. Soon as he makes top cut the whole he was trading players ultra rare cards for wins pops up. Staff get told this and start watching him like a hawk, even going as far to stand over both players as they played. No cheating ever happened and he wins the entire thing. Next day the toxicity that was the games forums exploded with just 5 or so of the notorious "Michigan" group laying down rumors of collusion. However, this is after the entire thing was well done and over and one of their own group actually said the entire thing was made up as an attempt to character assassinate him. Poor guy was viciously attacked by people he had never even met because the echo chamber for DBZ was incredibly bad. He played one more year, qualified for that grand kia invitational , but declined to attend due to threats of harm to his person from some of the more toxic "named players". I am not defending the guy in the video, but he's not wrong; top cutthroat of any CCG is rampant with cheating, favoritism and collusion; no matter what CCG you play.

[@Crabchann]

Why isn’t your comment not getting more recognition

[@Diceman82]

@@Crabchann prolly because it's not about Yugioh specifically. point still stands though; CCG's can be a massive cesspool.

[@andrewellicott654]

Long comment

[@Mr.SteelinKeepIt]

@@Crabchann Neanderthals lack the capacity of reading anything longer than 10 word sentences.

[@Astroqualia]

Just like how folks video interactions with police, how is this info not present in the community? You gotta cover your own ass, this is why dashcams for everyday folk is becoming very popular.

[@StarboyXL9]

Death: "Hello Roy, I've come to claim your soul." Roy: "I've got an idea, howabout we play a game for it?" Death: "Nice try but I've seen your record."

[@TheLonelySoulja]

That’s fucked up, but HAHAHAHAHA

[@thelastbakura9603]

He can’t cheat death.

[@CaptBackwards]

@@thelastbakura9603 Billy and Mandy didn't have to cheat

[@CD-Gaming]

If only this were Discworld's Death...

[@gravekeepersven82]

Nice

[@whocares9033]

"Roy passed away three years ago..." Later "Roy, if you ever see this video...."

[@christianmegachad2898]

spacetime transcendence but it can remove humans from the graveyard

[@endymionthemightymasterofm9600]

Insert joke about activating monster reborn

[@tayslaywift9361]

He's not dead, he's in the Shadow Realm watching this video

[@tona4x7]

Afterlife has internet, and it would take about 3 years to load a single youtube video on Hell's dial-up... Not counting the random disconnects lol.

[@marcusmorish9554]

I don't think they have KZbin in hell.

[@douglascornett6193]

This is crazy. He, his brother and girlfriend would come into my card shop in Hyattsville after school and weekends to play in Yugioh and vs tournaments. This was when he was still in high school. He was buddies with a few of my other regulars. They all went to Takoma Academy. We had to have someone watch his games because he was accused of cheating regularly back then to. I had no idea he passed away. That's a shame because he was a nice guy and way to young to be gone. RIP Roy.

[@Lelldorin84]

Had a friend like this. Was great at finding loopholes, exploits, combos and 1000 IQ strats. But, he was also a habitual cheater and liar. He would cheat for no reason during friendly games with nothing on the line.

[@PaulMFDouglas]

One of my friends is the same way. To this day, he looks at the top cards of his deck when he knows he shouldn't. Everyone at the kitchen table is like, "Hey, you can't do that." He's always like, "I'm just seeing if I'm going to hit a land drop." I guess it's his passive planeswalker ability.

[@TheYugilicious]

Cheating also takes practice.

[@joenobody5913]

@@TheYugilicious lol this is such a weird comment....like....wut? Whats your point? You still benefit as you're "practicing". Who fucking cares if it takes "practice"? It takes a sociopath who doesn't care they're fucking other people over (that may well depend on actually doing well)

[@TheYugilicious]

@@joenobody5913 I don't remember

[@FNigslol]

People love to think they are good yet you have no tops

[@bollockjohnson6156]

Damn, just learned he died. Regardless of legacy no one should die that young.

[@sewerrat11000]

@jocaguz18 uncalled for but okay

[@EmCeee411]

@jocaguz18 nani the fuck?

[@sushipbestdeck8995]

@jocaguz18 uh, wtf

[@dxxa95]

I get the point jocaguz18 Is trying to make, just think of A.H., Herman Goering, Osama B.Lz Pol Por etc

[@raulmagallanes6617]

@@dxxa95 yeah he don’t mean for petty crimes. But there’s definitely people who are so evil there’s nothing they deserve more than that.

[@Xhalonick]

Cannot wait, so happy we have a yugi boomer like cap who can make yugioh history spicy and interesting

[@joekimlee9057]

Hahaha yugi boomer i should use that term more

[@Epik61]

YUGI BOOMER OMFG

[@edgara3213]

I am a yugi boomer lol 100% 😂 also love these vids for all tourney stories I never got to see or hear firsthand just by having never gotten to go as a kid

[@MrJtin69]

It's funny the word boomer used now compared to when it was first used

[@mafiakickproductions]

Ooof bearing “yugioh boomer” makes me feel old😭 I’m always venting about the DM area

[@dangineerr6111]

Dude went from 16 to 40. Cheaters make it hard for everyone.

[@tonycruise]

you can cheat using cyber jar or other cards x)

[@MrAnonCunningham]

This is why I could never get into the dueling part of Yugioh (or any card collecting game) : players who took it way too seriously. They would hound you about all the rules and then often cheat themselves. The first local tournament I went to my first opponent was just slinging cards and saying I'm dead before I even had a chance to understand and verify what was happening. When the judge came by he immediately said "I won" and I never went to another one

[@manh-haimuller6027]

People don’t take it that seriously anymore! Thankfully that has changed!

[@duane_313]

So messed up. Sorry that happened 🙁

[@terrato097]

I was at a regional once and someone was playing so fast I couldn't keep up. Needless to say, I should have called a judge to have him slow down, but I just took the L since it isn't that serious.

[@headstrong29]

These Yugioh history videos are honestly great. Especially as someone who, around this time, was just happy having the cards and playing against myself / the one rare chance I could go against someone else. These bits of history are foreign to me outside of the format itself. Kinda makes me nostalgic for moments I wasn't there for.

[@fenderrocks84]

KZbin algorithm: How about yugioh? Me(absolutely don't care about yugioh): Yeah I'll watch that!

[@Habeev07]

Nice I turned 32 a few days ago and used to play a lot from 2002-2005. I havent thought much about or played YuGiOh in over 15 years but with COVID... Ive been hella nostalgic and been buying (spending a lot) of $ on starter decks and structure decks of the time. ALL 1st edition. I love collectibles. I wanna get back my RELINQUISHED deck.. like everyone had in 03'

[@querevendeur3724]

Took me like a month to actually click the video

[@107thFruit]

I have arrived with the same mindset as well.

[@flunkybraow7938]

Wow, he and Bandit Keith were even both "Number one US duelist." Hahahahaha.

[@TheArcaneMageLord]

Yeah but he was murdered by Pegasus... the question is was Roy murdered by someone in Konami?

[@nightingaleseraph]

They’re also both dead lmao.

[@metastabillity8991]

Hey he outlived bandit keith by 3 years.

[@timmywankenobi]

@@TheArcaneMageLord I guess they sent him to the shadow relm , also Keith was murdered by Marik Istar .

[@TheArcaneMageLord]

@@timmywankenobi Idk what you have read but Keith was killed by Pegasus because he cheated. He died during the Duelist Kingdom arc so, he couldn't have possibly met with Marik.

[@animathehallowed1380]

“Roy passed away.” “Roy if you ever see this video, I hope I told your story well” …..wut? 😑

[@pavlovssheep5548]

The Biggest And Most Notorious Cheater In Yugioh History was Yugi himself

[@stanclark8824]

always will be!

[@michaelmarriott9761]

Nah he awesome. lol i loved how he pulled shit out of his ass

[@LeAvEb00g]

Yes he even registered his name and then when the game start he always call someone to play for him.

[@DRSTCMSUR]

Nah atem. His ass could just decide to draw whatever he wanted

[@stanclark8824]

@@DRSTCMSUR there is a card on edopro that basically does that with a card that he is on hahaha it is broken just like him.

[@StarboyXL9]

Cap has convinced me that Roy was Keith Bandit reincarnated. >Reverse Isekai

[@JuwanBuchanan]

Oh hell yeah I remember Roy, but sadly he passed away awhile ago. RIP I was in middle school, but Roy was definitely one of the more bigger players in the community around the time. I heard he cheated in one game at a tournament where he was drawing extra cards when his opponent and the judge that was officiating that game wasn't looking, took one or two of the cards in his hand and stacked them on the top of his deck so he could draw the same exact cards he needed, even though he may have had the right cards in his hand already, but due to him drawing extra cards, he could had drew into something better and manipulated his hand so both the opponent and the judge didn't know what he was doing, and that is just one story. I could tell all the deck stacking stories he was accused of doing because it was a bit easier to stack your deck during that time with some clever card tricks than it is now due to judges and players being smarter in watching their opponent. Until this day, some players still don't think he's a cheater because honestly some players did get salty of him. I still think he was a good player, but he was willing to cheat to stay at the top at all cost and he got caught.

[@saiku9081]

Not a true Duelist ,lel

[@gdylan1990]

Roy was one of my best friends cheater or not he helped me get better at this game we sat up all night at the house play testing mono mermail prepping for the YCS

[@michaelfellner9822]

@@gdylan1990 well hes was a good player ofc bcuz you cant just cheat your way to victory in any tcg, there is skill needed. he wasnt a high tier player tho. other better players out there .. and they didnt cheat. and thats the problem with him. he was a lying cheater and didnt really care bout others. so no respect at all here.

[@phantom-iz8zw]

@@michaelfellner9822 I think his friends who are still around more than likely knew him better than you do, so...

[@michaelfellner9822]

@@phantom-iz8zw ofc, the stuff you heard by friends ( he even cheated vs them which was annoying for em ) etc and how he interacted with others and just didnt have any problem with cheating and in general bad behaviour ( examples stated by Cap in the video ) tell me enough of the type of guy he is. not saying that he deserved anything bad, he just doesnt deserve respect for that imo. and well, friendship topic is complicated lets dont get into that.

[@bigbitehood1353]

I like when cheaters get caught and get mad about it. Like, if you don't want to get punished for cheating... just like, don't cheat...

[@TheDragonstare]

For a guy as good as he was with the game. He didn't need to cheat. Sounds like his dislike for losing is what made him chest especially sense he would push the blame on the judges picking on him and then say "all pros do it" when he got banned.

[@commit2gr8ness]

"Roy, if you ever see this video, i hope i told your story well" bruh, how is he supposed to see it if hes dead?

[@achildcalledit8638]

Wus finna comment this butchu got me

[@ericmercado8352]

He meant as in if people really do “watch over” from heaven

[@jofx4051]

Everybody gangsta until Roy comments on this KZbin video

[@CrnaStrela]

@@jofx4051 bruhhh

[@commit2gr8ness]

@@jofx4051 lmfao

[@Farfa]

Great video, would've liked to hear more of the ways he cheated cause I know they were quite innovative but good to know

[@aliceporter6239]

You wanna take notes on how to cheat?

[@iBleed_RoyLty4368]

@@aliceporter6239 Well, everyone has cheated at some point. It's best to learn how to point it out. I doubt anyone wants to risk a 2+ year ban by cheating Lol

[@orchidquack]

Dani Porter how are you going to catch cheating without knowing about it?

[@alexhartline9220]

Farfa! Hello

[@namenlosNamenlos]

Latino heat! You not cheating you not trying.

[@lukamagicc]

KZbinr at the very end: “oh yea, and he’s dead.”

[@nate7LP_my_dog_found_the_knife]

He shoulda kept a monster reborn on him.

[@soccerman26]

How did he die?

[@MarvinT0606]

No no, he didn't die. He got sent to the Shadow Realm (by Atem himself)

[@shuheihisagi6689]

@@soccerman26 He either died choking on his own vomit, or alcohol poisoning. He drank himself to death. Really sad.

[@jamesblake3443]

And then proceeds to say “if you ever see this video Roy I hope I told your story well” He ded how he see.

[@fantasyrealmofchill3404]

Lmao at the poor girl who won the game, judge came by when they were dueling a 2nd time for fun, and Roy says it's their first game! What a monster if that story was true!!

[@Snowfang00]

Normally yugioh dualists are quite friendly and honest with this kind of stuff so hearing that he did this was quite disgusting.

[@Xylarxcode]

If it's a sanctioned tournament, where you will be rated based on your performance, the moment you win the duel, you go and report that win to a qualified judge. Playing a game 'for fun' is something you do after the tournament is over or in between sanctioned matches. It's disgusting that he tried to pull that off and I hope he didn't get away with it, but she really should have reported her win the minute their first duel was over. It's harsh that she needed to learn that lesson this way and in an ideal world, it would never even be necessary, but it just goes to show you what lengths some people will go to.

[@ManicQuinn]

@@Xylarxcode You don't have to victim blame, could have been new to the game or just a nice person overall.

[@GoggleCandy]

6:05 Ok. Seeing this deck and the year gave me such strong nostalgia. I was a judge at the 2004 Worlds and this was probably the last crazy, no-holds barred year for the game before some of the heavy bans came in. Hell of a time to be a judge and a player.

[@four-twenty4205]

What deck?

[@GoggleCandy]

@@four-twenty4205 The one that came up 5 seconds later. Fixed the timestamp tho

[@four-twenty4205]

@@GoggleCandy - Could you possibly give me the whole decklist please? I can't tell which cards they are 👍

[@four-twenty4205]

Also what does it take to be a judge and play in these tournaments? I have played yugioh since the early 2000s and I never knew about it all

[@gearhead6042]

Man I remember this guy. It's a real shame, he clearly had the talent to win without cheating but he just didn't seem to have a strong grasp on impulse control. I got mixed feelings on Roy but it mostly just comes down to thinking "What an unfortunate waste of talent".

[@Locke5413]

Random duel where Roy duped girl into continuing play after she won: Judge: So who's winning? Girl: I already won. This game is just for fun. Roy: I have no clue what she's talking about. I'm in the lead. Girl: *evolves into pikachu-face*

[@StarboyXL9]

woah dude LUL FR tho, that would've been infuriating.

[@Locke5413]

@Dat Boi and I'm glad you enjoyed my post enough to spend time trying to trash it. Lmfao

[@Locke5413]

@Dat Boi nah, just boosting my ego. Sorry that my comment triggered you so hard for some reason. Keep it up. Damn right im a nerd. Wish you the best tho

[@MrPanda_Cake]

I remember my first time going to a local tournament and some guy asked me to continue playing for fun, my more experienced friend told me "If you're going to continue, report your win to the judge first." and told me this story.

[@alex_flamer]

@@MrPanda_Cake or you can just say no to playing it out. The game is nerve-wracking enough, especially when you're playing all day at a tournament.

[@Anytyme06]

I think Yugi came to him one night and challenged him to a duel he couldn't refuse and ultimately sent him to the shadow realm.

[@rawrdino7046]

That sounds like a creepypasya

[@Carpatouille]

@@rawrdino7046 Sounds like Season 0 Yugioh

[@truckwarrior5944]

It's kinda sad when you see someone who got such a natural talent ruining his career by cheating. I never had a good hand for making decks that worked well, neigther in Yugioh nor in any other card-game and i envy people like Roy who can adapt to competetive in new seasons even though he has not been playing competetive for years. But sadly it seems he did not hold the believe stated at the beginning, that it does not matter wheater you loose or win if you just improve. He wanted to be the best and when he was not good enough he did not improve but cheat. I think he could have gone way further if he only had not started cheating.

[@Dtachedkid]

Lmao, Roy came back fatter like he actually served a real prison sentence

[@BrokamaGay]

He faked his death, like any good antagonist would.

[@michaelcamburako]

Oof

[@jeffreyanimates9581]

Nah bro, he's the protagonist Season 4 just never got dubbed

[@theannilators7479]

People were too suspicious of him, so he faked his death for a clean slate

[@shuheihisagi6689]

Not to ruin the joke, but he actually drank himself to death. Probably had depression.

[@thefairytail7171]

@@shuheihisagi6689 GOTDAMN

[@mxignition3331]

‘I can’t say that he came back leaner’ HAHAHA

[@tyranitararmaldo]

I did the Spanish laugh irl when I heard that bit. Good lord haha!

[@BusterBeachside]

I legit looked down at the plate of chicken strips and mashed potatoes in front of me and thought about getting in some exercise after he said that. xD To be fair, it is Thanksgiving night...

[@JoseJimenez-jm4vo]

He did him dirty 😂😂😂

[@Native2087]

@@BusterBeachside Hope you enjoyed it lol

[@JumpingAssninja]

Hahaha fucken dead 💀🤣

[@janithernest3929]

Damn is CapG becoming a crime show? Btw cap u give a side of yugioh that no other yugituber besides maybe Mkohl40 can provide

[@Dekatron]

true, i used to dislike his replay videos a lot but since his dark side of yugitubing video it's becoming more and more interesting

[@f1champ551]

@Billy or Oxygen of Yu-Gi-Oh... (now a true crime channel)...

[@f1champ551]

@Billy and we will all wonder who will be the lady or the gentleman that will be a part of a snapped episode Yu-Gi-Oh edition type of thing...

[@davidkiller61]

@@Dekatron same here man, same here

[@gpaulso]

I remember meeting this guy at Shonen Jump Chicago in '05 - he was a clown, and had a huge ego.

[@dirtybrd702]

He looks like Bandit Keith must have been his favorite character

[@dubkdad1]

Wow. The nostalgia got me on this one. Pojo and Duelist Groundz is a wealth of info for all of the legendary stories.

[@bluetimmy24]

Even if he had skill, he was a compulsive liar and didn’t deserve any of his wins. It’s weird how people take this path when you do have some skill

[@epicphail2926]

Yeah it’s weird that people are hyping him up as some good guy only because he died. Dude was a scumbag that should be forgotten by the history books.

[@lindyxmjh4589]

"All the pros do it!" - one of the most truthful statements he ever made actually, that early Upper Deck era was very rough around the edges and went through a lot of growing pains, as many if not all of the big "teams" in the U.S. were full of questionable activity that pervaded the entire tournament scene for years.

[@amorantoboy]

Doesn't excuse the action. Just because multiple people do something, it doesn't make it justified. He knew what he was doing was unsavory but it didn't stop him, his excuses were garbage

[@lindyxmjh4589]

@@amorantoboy No, but it was at least honest to admit it. Many from back then probably still proclaim they never did anything wrong and that Upper Deck's judges were just being unfair.

[@CallMeNevermore]

Team Overdose had Kris Perovic and I've heard many good things about him, but also bad things. Evan Vargas, a retired player, said he observed Kris teaching his teammates how to cheat with DDT. If you hard draw DMOC and have Dasher in the graveyard, when you draw for turn you do a quick card switch between both hands to reveal the DMOC you actually didn't draw for turn to summon Dasher from the graveyard. Kris participated in a DuelistGroundz goat format tournament back in 2018, but he was disqualified because he attempted to rig the tournament by colluding with the leader of an opposing team. Allen Pennington got screenshots of that conversation and that kept Kris away from DuelistGroundz for a year.

[@pluna3382]

@@lindyxmjh4589 Bluntness is not honesty. Honesty has the connotation that you do so with virtue and integrity. What he said is just blunt in order to defend his scummy behavior. Instead of being the bigger man to prove he had skills and didn't need to cheat to beat the other cheaters, he stooped down to their level and only proved he was trash just like the other people he accused as such. He enabled and participated into that cheating culture.

[@lindyxmjh4589]

@@pluna3382 Maybe, but for a long time that was the culture, especially under Upper Deck and in the states. The history of the game is tarnished, but if being "blunt" helped the game move past it, then all the better.

[@gwyn4534]

I saw a ton of guys like Roy back in the day. Very skilled but rulled shark like crazy and they couldnt take a loss. I am very glad that the community became way better over the years and I dare to say that now it is very rare to see a player that acts like that.

[@kikook222]

Every pro player says the same thing. Nobody can win consistently in a card game without cheating at a high-level. This is primarily why, IMO, you see pro's are vocally against playing in clients and, typically, do not make it far in said clients (MTGA is notorious for the pro's being irrelevant to the online tournaments). That to me suggests when in a controlled and fair environment professional players stop winning.

[@philithegamer8265]

LULZ

[@lucasvaccaro-yu-gi-oh1630]

He was a cheater but also an excelent player, the duality of man...

[@StriderVM]

Ironically that is generally the truth, the best cheaters are the people who plays the best. How can you bend the rules if you don't know them?

[@TheQuilava96]

He’s the type of dude that doesn’t need to cheat, but just does it because he can. Maybe he cheats because it stimulated his mind from the rush or something.

[@0xtailsoup]

How do we know he was a good player if he cheated?

[@TheQuilava96]

@@0xtailsoup because of the lack of times he was caught. If you take 10 tests, cheated on all of them, but was caught 2-3 times, you’re a good test taker.

[@Wyrm7774]

@@0xtailsoup his ability to make decks is a sign of being a good player. Also even with cheating being able to top after being banned for so long. A regular person cheating still wouldn't be able to win like that

[@wariggs16]

"I can't say he came back leaner..."

[@sammyhain]

Buddy got alotta weight

[@Gigadestroyermets]

@@sammyhainhe should’ve loss some weight and not drink too much. In other words he should’ve seen a doctor.

[@simpleclean2468]

Death caught me off guard. R.I.P. dude.

[@lordfashion9892]

yeah wtf

[@marquisfire5]

How’d he died

[@Catstro]

@@marquisfire5 lost against Pegasus and had his soul transfered into a card

[@bryansolorio8533]

@@Catstro lmao

[@DevilboyScooby]

I think it catches most people off guard, tbh.

[@yoshortyb]

It is pretty common to think that players that consistently top are good. It is quite the opposite. Yugioh is a game with extremely high levels of variance. Consistency in a game of high variance is almost always cheating. It is why in other card games with online sim tournaments where drawing and card effects are coded in where cheating is near impossible, you see very few player always topping. Yugioh is a fun game, but Roy's comment about all of the top players cheating is unfortunately 100% true.

[@tristianmeganblagoueakajay9174]

Facts 😂

[@nicholasnguyen1542]

"I know he cheated, but I liked the decks he built so it's okay." That's such a distasteful mindset. I'm sure his opponents that he actively cheated against don't care about his "contributions to the game." Foul play should be met with immediate backlash in a competitive environment, particularly when money is on the line. I thought the video was okay until I heard the unwarranted praise of Roy at the end.

[@Lion-tq7ob]

He was a trash human being for his actions most of his life. Encountering him and other cheats in this hobby is what killed in-person play for me. COVID and Master Duel cemented that decision. Glad he isn't around to plague the community any more.

[@PatrickArcato]

Every competition has cheaters, most winners don't deserve their awards in any sport or game

[@TheWastedEquinox]

​@@PatrickArcatoexactly or it's fixed like alot of sports

[@bobothehobo4158]

If you decide to keep making content over cheaters/scammers/etc in the Yugioh community, you'll NEVER run out of content to feature.

[@craneadams5934]

Awesome video once again Cap G. Actually neat that you used a photo from my feature match with him at YCS Toronto (I lost to his x-saber with my light gemini). Roy is quite the enigma, he is legit one of the best players to play yugioh and at the same time was legit one of the biggest cheaters in yugioh. Its strange because he didn't need to cheat, and after he had multiple bans for cheating, he KEPT doing it. Clearly his 'rush' from playing the game was not just from winning, but also seeing how much he could get away with. And for people that didn't play back in the day, I want to be clear that this wasn't speculation or opinion. Roy DID cheat. He did a lot of soft cheating, aka, feigning ignorance to give himself an advantage, and when getting caught, claiming it was an accident. The thing is, its hard to DQ or ban someone for that, because its hard to determine intent to cheat. Obv when it happens multiple times, in every game he plays, it becomes much more obvious, but judges were afraid to award cheating penalties without hard evidence of intentional cheating. As good as Roy was, I cannot respect him as a player, because, he never 'learned his lesson'. If after the first ban, he came back and played clean, I would have high regards for him, but he kept cheating. Clearly the thrill of cheating was as strong as his thrill of winning, so I think negative associations with Roy are justified. I didn't know he died, sad to see anyone pass at such a young age. Thanks for telling the story, there are tons of other players in that era with equally interesting stories, keep it up G

[@paulnone9984]

I remember going to tournaments in the early 2000s and I saw this one kid who was maybe 11 with his mother watching him play in the tournament. The kid purposely played super slow and didn't end his turn so that he would win by time default by having more life points. He always had this smirk on his face as he knew what he was doing. So pathetic

[@dsouth7754]

Used to be if I was playing strangers I'd promise at the start not to take longer than two-minutes for a turn. I frankly have no context even now as a yugi-boomer if that's too long or short, but I thought back then it sounded super-efficient and mature. But I was also the dickhead kid who insisted MST negated so meh....

[@rachelmiller8127]

@@dsouth7754 2 minutes is pretty much the minimum for a turn tbh.

[@tvgaming2132]

He's definitely that kid who had the god cards and was hated by everyone at recess because his cards were so good it wasn't fun to play him

[@Israphel776]

Jesus Christ, I can name like all of those mid 2000's cards. My childhood was great.

[@IzanamisBurden]

Seeing some of these old decks hit my nostalgia hard. Back when 3 and 4 star monsters with 1500 or 1600 attack was genuinely good. Now, if you don't summon a 7 or 8 star monster with 3000+ attack on your first turn or do 6 consecutive synchro summons in one turn, you're screwed

[@SoundBreak12]

And as a guy from that first era, I feel like it’s lost it’s feel of who’s the better dueler vs. who can build the best insta-kill deck smh. It used to be a combo of luck/skill/fun. I miss it.

[@tvgaming2132]

@@SoundBreak12 be glad it isn't 50 negates

[@cole4783]

Can you imagine trying to claim a conspiracy to push out old champs in a game while being the only dude constantly being found cheating

[@JABRIEL251]

Finally! A video on my ex-wife...oh wait, Yugioh history. Never mind.

[@CaptBackwards]

Yes, you were married to Roy.

[@steampunkastronaut7081]

...

[@AllezlesParisiens]

Oof

[@killwillv2610]

Dark 🤣

[@lic.josechavez8837]

Offff man, oooofffffffff

[@Serjohn]

If you dont have time to watch the video : He basically put Deck Devastation Virus or XX-Saber Faultroll on his opening hand everytime, he also would use signals such as grunts or coughs to spy on opponents with his teammates. One of which commented bellow that he wasnt in the cheat and Roy would also cheat while playing with them.

[@Sheeps856]

Deckbuilding as a skill is VERY VERY different if you're building a deck knowing you can shuffle the cards you need into your hand. Dunno why people say he was 'a deckbuilding great' when statistics didn't apply to his opening hands.

[@seangunnell9451]

Believe it or not, I was accused of cheating once when I didn't at all. Somehow, I got all five Exodia parts on my first draw. I know that was suspicious, but I didn't cheat. However, most of the other guys at the tournament refused to listen to me and acted as if I was a bigger scumbag than Hitler. I did remove the Exodia pieces out of my deck the next week to help show I was not a cheater. How can I cheat and get all five Exodia parts on the first draw if they're no longer in my deck? However, one of those guys was still accusing me of being a cheater and took it to the extreme. He was telling every single person who walked in the store that I was a cheater, refused to let me shuffle my deck when he got paired against me in a round, and acted like he was 201% correct that his theory of me being a cheater was correct and willing to wedger his life of it, even though he was dead wrong. And the worst part was he didn't stop for over two years.

[@benmckay4540]

2:38 lol I had that same superman shirt back then!

[@coastcity7029]

Played against this dude a lot at my locals (Dreamwizards) in MD, when he was ranked #1 in Yu-Gi-Oh! and later on in VS. We had one of the most competitive playerbases in the country at Dreamwizards for Yu-Gi-Oh! and VS. System. He was notorious for stacking his deck, and although he was a great pilot, it's hard to say he was a great player because he always cheated to win.

[@FORTHELOVEOFPACKS]

i live in bowie where can i find local tournaments?

[@smhgaming3259]

@@FORTHELOVEOFPACKS westminster. I love in Baltimore thats the closest i can find

[@ShawnDebrew]

I was ranked number 2

[@FORTHELOVEOFPACKS]

@@smhgaming3259 sheesh thats a hike

[@DonMarzzoni]

@@ShawnDebrew proof or it didn't happen

[@zeusthunder6799]

Using "The Heart of the Cards" to win a Yugioh game. Atem would be proud.

[@CamsAuditions]

Damn, I didn't expect the ending where he dies.

[@ExistentHope]

He died in a penalty game for cheating.

[@MarvinT0606]

He lost his soul in an illegal Seal of Orichalcos duel

[@shuheihisagi6689]

He actually drank himself into an early grave. The memes here are so ignorant

[@15r52]

Sad

[@nkoonkukoo]

Shadow games, you got to pay the price.

[@shein360]

That’s crazy how someone with impressive skill who could have legitimately won, decides to cheat to try and secure a w. And get caught time after time. I’m suprised he didn’t get a lifetime ban after some of those. Guess he is resting in the shadow realm now

[@_Feanor_.]

I think a lot of them do it because they feel that they deserve to win. Because they are skilled, they don't deserve to lose due to bad luck, so they cheat to get the outcome that they think should happen to begin with. If only they'd realize that they're playing the childrens version of Magic the gathering

[@maximiliandmc]

​@@_Feanor_. Lmao the dumbest bait ever. Or dumbest person if its not even bait lmao

[@_Feanor_.]

@@maximiliandmc And you still bit on it. Not the smartest fish in the sea, are you?

[@maximiliandmc]

@@_Feanor_. I "bit"? Lmao First, imagine being sarcastic and trying to "bait" on youtube comments. If that's not a sign of being a complete L, I don't know what is. Secondly, I just STATED that it was bait. xD Are you on drugs or you were born mental?

[@RedsHitpostMedia]

Oh snap a real Bandit Keith. And whats crazy both Keith and Roy are actually good duelists but their legacy made them more known for their scumbaggery.

[@eatos9130]

Man CapG I wonder if Roy was sent to the shadow realm for his crime of cheating in Yu-gi-oh? He will be missed

[@the_zym]

DOUBLE THIS MANS SUBS EVERYTIME ONE OF THESE VIDOES DROPS.

[@the_zym]

GO

[@masterjedi1980]

I remember going to that YCS Miami and we were all fanboys when we heard he was there. So sad to hear of his passing. I wish his family well.

[@adambirch6466]

People were running all these cheats in the mtg pro scene before yugioh came to the U.S. East coast players were famous for trying to make it look like their opponent had performed an illegal action (like drawing extra cards). One pro was caught with a combo piece in his lap at one point. During a draft one player wrote down an additional card he hadn't drafted in his decklist and then bought one from a vendor. Got caught because it was from a different print run and had a slightly different color. What this guy said, that all the top players cheat, isn't true. But there are always cheaters in the top levels of tcgs.

[@banditkade]

Easy to be considered a "genius deckbuilder" when you control what cards you draw.

[@amorantoboy]

@Danny Garvin not a good one though. Dude cheated, got banned, came back, cheated again, repeat. The kind of "skill" he used can't be welcome in the community if we want it to survive

[@Avatarbee]

*Yugi has left the building*

[@LegendLeaguer]

@useless moron impossible to know. There's no proof he didn't cheat in every game. He's a proven and admitted cheater so every one of his wins is suspect

[@IamGrimalkin]

Well you're also a good deckbuilder if everyone netdecks you. If you build a bad deck that only works when you cheat, people who don't cheat are going to find it really bricky and stop playing it. I dunno what was the case in this instance, though.

[@jeremybrown9611]

Him cheating doesn't change the fact that he was a brilliant deck builder, the two can be separated

[@jasonfox6932]

It's a shame that someone so good at the game felt the need to cheat. With their talent and skill they were consistently placing at top tables. A player of that caliber should've had the confidence to win without resorting to such methods.

[@GreenChillZone]

That's what people said about Billy Mitchell. The problem is being better at the game also makes you better at cheating. Not to mention that at that level the stakes become much higher than casual play.

[@leoncoben6983]

Unfortunately being good at something is exactly why they cheat. The thing with competition is that it isn't always about pure skill. Sometimes luck does get involved, cheating removes all luck factors and puts everything in your control. There will always be cheaters in anything trying to get that advantage just because they want to win and only see that line.

[@hanmoamo]

I think Roy was a master at the game, and properly because of that he cheated that much. The better you know a game, the easier to cheat

[@tewbee3235]

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

[@RodimusMinor1987]

But if you are so talented you shouldn't need to cheat

[@mrknarf4438]

I got the impression he just hated losing that much. No matter how good you are at it, card games have a big luck component and bad matchups, so even the best pros often have a winrate around 60%. I'd blame it more on a control obsession than on his mastery of the game: probably he should have gotten into some more deterministic games.

[@kevinpickering3866]

you cant be a cheater and a master at the same time with the exception of being a master cheater, either youve mastered a game and have no need to cheat or just suck in general and only get anywhere by cheating, personally this guy deserves no respect for his "accomplisments" because he was probley finding ways to cheat from the beginning it just took people awhile to realize how he was doing it, his only real accomplishment was probley being really good at cheating for as long as he did.

[@timmywankenobi]

@@RodimusMinor1987 he had skill but lacked talent thus the cheating to get an edge .

[@DevilboyScooby]

"Roy tragically died." 2 minutes later: "Roy, if you ever see this video..." Not sure how good the Internet connection is in the afterlife?

[@hamstermc7807]

Not to worry; as soon as Seto Kaiba dies the afterlife will probably get gigabit or something, and within a month have better Internet than the mortal plane. It’s just a matter of time

[@Mr.Bearns]

Two weeks before he passed away me and my fiance spent the night at his place we Test played, watched movies and had dinner. He was my teacher when I came to playing Yu-Gi-Oh I came from a magic the Gathering background he would give you the shirt off his back despite all the rumors he was the nicest guy in the world I know this first hand. He wasn't just a friend he was family rest in peace.

[@maiaharete3028]

did you let Roy pipe your fiance?

[@SampsoniteR]

I’ve never played yu gi oh in my life and I still thoroughly enjoyed this video

[@BurningLotuz]

He’s been gone a while. Never knew him, but I’m friends with his Brother.

[@BurningLotuz]

@@TJat484 Roy died several years back. I know as I have been friends with his Brother for many, many years.

[@manuelbaltazar7238]

How he die?

[@filipraos8072]

@@manuelbaltazar7238 learn some social norms

[@DARKBRINGERx]

@@manuelbaltazar7238 supposedly it had to do with him drinking

[@amateurwave3593]

@@filipraos8072 🙄

[@Ruxin34]

I LOVE these Yugioh history videos. I find them fascinating.

[@JaanKashmiri]

Whaaaats up brother

[@TonyBMan]

So how many copies of Exodia parts did his deck have???

[@aerodynamiccow3597]

3 years later and it's still the closest we'll ever get to a Bandit Keith backstory

[@DarkArmedDuelist]

Really loving these history lessons with you cap, great job on yet another amazing story.

[@payne9682]

CapG becoming the most informative Yugioh channelis truly something great to see :) Day 636 of waiting for Good Pyro/Volcanic Support to arrive...

[@bonkchonkxb310]

I love how you had to change it to “good support” cause of that ra blaze accelerator card.

[@Blue_XIII]

I hope you get that good pyro/volcanic support one day, Payne

[@stephen756]

"Roy if you see this...." He dead bruh

[@blastchaos4286]

Thats the point. Ever heard of looking on from the afterlife?

[@doriyonbrown3934]

I was thinking the same thing lmao

[@MegaCapitalG]

I was referring to the afterlife, I thought that was implied. I clearly didn't forget he died.

[@alex_flamer]

@@MegaCapitalG do you know how he died?

[@MegaCapitalG]

@@alex_flamer This might sound terrible but I believe he passed out drunk and choked on his own vomit. Didn't think it needed to be in the video.

[@thatgamerguy6449]

13:16 did he show the “all mint” deck or not cause if not it’d be obvious why

[@OneFlewCuckoo]

Wha-.? Cheating? Nah, that's a main character wielding his plot armor during his season finale

[@flochforster88]

15:05 This mini-speech gave me chills, I love this channel

[@sammydelorenzi]

He didn’t cheat, he just activated his Mind Scan skill

[@thraknar3363]

Bro I feel called out

[@aiRCoft]

Damn, he surely put on weight during that five years; I honestly thought that was another person... Maybe that was his goal; return to the scene unnoticeable.

[@thescrubinscrubs9928]

"Roy tragically passed away in 2017" "Roy if you ever see this video..."

[@jlev9513]

God imagine telling a girl at a bar “I’m a professional card player” and have to explain no you don’t mean poker 😂

[@sntothemax]

As a Yugi Boomer from PA this video really hit me. I've played and lost to Roy, I lost to half the members of his team back in the day. They were notorious, and they definitely didn't have an honest reputation. They did play great decks and you can't take that away from them. People like St. Clair didn't just play the meta, they determined it. But with such similar decks being played by everyone, those little advantages to get to top 8 would help out a ton. Luck would come into play greatly in a top 8 and you could win an event easy if you had good draws. Hell, I even won a regional that was played with several members that were mentioned, but it is kinda hard to cheat when you have a judge like Dave Brent standing over you. Been out of the game for quite some time now, didn't even know St Clair came back the game after the 2nd ban. And i was shocked as hell to find out he passed. RIP dude, even if you did cheat, you definitely helped shape the game for the east coast. Great Video! I will be subscribing and if you wanna do a piece on the nYo from that era, I might have some connections...

[@sarka4727]

whats nYo?

[@juanherran6452]

"All though I can't say he came back thinner" 😂😂😂

[@zukusenryu]

This guy inspired me. Not because of his cheating, but because his deck building skills were second to none

[@omarkhan5223]

That's a fascinating story Mr. President! Truly worthy of being notarized in your presedential library.

[@gomamon8439]

Let’s be real. Almost every local had a Roy. There is a guy here that was once banned from every card shop for how he treated people and acted.

[@manh-haimuller6027]

True!

[@aeons7836]

Vs System had GOATED prize support... 50k tournaments in 2005 was insane

[@ShayneRawls]

He was good at the game the problem is he was scared of that going away. That's why cheaters at that level cheat. I can't give him props cause there's just too much shown that he didn't respect the game. He's not one of us cap, cause if you respect the game you don't cheat. You take the lose like an adult. He probably was one of the best deck builders and players but we won't know cause he cheated. And I've seen his friends in the comments. Of course they have fond memories of their friend. But alot of us are just stating facts. But there's a lesson in there about never giving up. But you should definitely give up if you're cheating. That means you're not addressing your weaknesses. You're making excuses.

[@Aggin03]

When you make money out of it and sponsorships, it's no longer a kids game

[@ShayneRawls]

@@Aggin03 not true. Pokémon offer scholar ships. It's money's and still a kids game lol. Hell so are all sports. They're games but people can make serious money off of them

[@M_CFV]

@@Aggin03 games with money and sponsorships on the line, dont allow egregious cheating

[@manh-haimuller6027]

No! Being famous is cool and all but you don’t have to resort to cheating! If you are highly skilled and have an evenly Match with the opponent it doesn’t matter who wins! A cheater has no integrity! It’s just Pathetic. PS: at my locals there is also this one person who cheats. People who are experienced will catch those moments!