Is Trek Hinting at a MAJOR Change?

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

People who buy upscale hardtail will usually choose more boutique or niche names than Trek. The best trek could do is offer the Roscoe frames on a Marlin budget, screw the marlin altogether get newbies a frame they can actually upgrade...

[@jeremymartin8962]

i agree. i got my roscoe 7 for about 1100 and honestly I think any higher of a price and it wouldnt be worth it. ive had some issues with the rear wheel that required getting a new shimano xt wheel and hub off of jensen. not trek's fault, but if i had paid 1500 and then got a 250 dollar wheel on top of it i would have been pissed because I could have gotten a rift zone for that price

[@thebdceigal]

@@jeremymartin8962 what issues are you having with the wheel? Mine has been constantly coming out of true, recently had to tighten the spokes every few rides.

[@101raffaele]

Concordo davvero

[@jerryspeedbumps512]

They should scrap the Marlin for sure. The Roscoe should be their AL hardtail frame on its own.

[@shauncallahan94]

At that point, just buy the poseidon norton

[@joshhas99problems]

At the Trek dealer I work at Roscoe 9s don’t sell, like ever, 7s and 8s sell well but 99.9% of people want full sus if they are gonna spend 3k

[@LionelDevert]

hi matty, I am French. actually trek takes out the roscoe 9 from the catalog, I bought one last year and when I knew they were discontinuing it I immediately bought the last one they had in size L. I am totally agree with you, this bike is the best hardtail on the market.

[@mikej1348]

It’s not crazy to prefer an hardtail over full suspension. Some people prefer the simpler things in life. Some people like to row their own gears too👍

[@michaelguerrera1463]

No freakin way. I got min on fb with upgrades for $1300. Keeping onto this one at age 53 I'm set!

[@willychabot7233]

I just ordered the 8 and ordered a marzocchi Z1 at the same time simply because they didn't have the 9. So yeah I just made a 9. The 8s are on sale right now for about 1600 and the Z1 air was 629.00. So with the sale price it came in well under 3000. I'm super stoked. I'm a hardtail rider , always have been. Love em

[@Halseb]

I thought the same way like you, Matty, when I was a beginner - that the "end game" would be to buy an expensive full-sus. It turns out that hardtails were the answer all along. Even tho I could afford a ful-sus these days with nice specs, I have zero desire to buy one. I'm kind of glad that I made this discovery quite early on as a mountainbiker, because I find it a bit distracting to constantly be "searching" rather than just get out there in the trail and ride and have fun. Best regards from Sweden!

[@dvs620]

If you have the components, Marino Bikes builds custom steel frames. The hardtail is around $400, a single pivot full sus can be had for around $600. You put in the geometry you want and they build it.

[@MM-yy9ib]

22 Marlin 6 with a few upgrades is perfect for my style of riding. Next will be a Giant E-Bike.

[@th3batfink]

I prefer a hard tail too. I got my 9 about 2 months ago (all your videos helped me make my decision) and Ihad similar problems finding a large sized frame. I had to take it in red as the olive was simply out of stock at every retailer in the UK and they all said they weren’t expecting more. I still wish I had been able to get the olive colour but I love the bike!

[@icewarped]

I have a full suspension mountain bike...and it's an ebike. I also have the Trek Roscoe 8. I prefer hardtails as well when under my own power to eliminate the back flex under acceleration. With the Roscoe 8/9, the weight is kept reasonably low and the components never let me down. There is no battery anxiety of running out of juice and having to pedal your extremely heavy E-bike through the rest of the day/ride.

[@305Paz]

I love my Roscoe 9. I’ve mentioned it on your other videos, I got the last M/L in the Denver Metro for 2k. It gets so many comments while on trail.

[@michaelwhite5834]

i love hardtails. One of the most versatile and capable bikes you can buy, as long as you're not racing. For many years I also stuck with a steel fork, and I might do that again (with a Jones for instance).

[@mr.d7429]

I really like my R7 in Miami green, I made some upgrades to it so I could shave some weight, but there’s lots to be said about it’s alpha gold aluminum vs the alpha platinum aluminum from the Procaliber AL frame! Roscoe’s frame is a much harsher ride with no trail chatter absorption will leave you more fatigued when it gets rowdy. On the procal’s frame I feel I could ride strong/ fresh for much longer when I’m seeking for a personal record. But when its time to get silly, the Roscoe takes the cake, it’s 140mm vs the 120mm from procal it’s not a match.

[@17even]

That makes a lot of sense. A top spec'd e-model for the Roscoe line-up would complete snd round out the line.

[@anthonyarruda1145]

Roscoe 9 is hard to get now because quite a few people wanted to buy one. I did and I will never regret it!! Your videos helped me buy a R9 keep pedaling Matty!

[@ICastle36]

They are also likely scaling back on production due to a lack of demand in the industry currently. Not just for this specific model, companies are just having to manage their inventory differently. Rosco is the only Trek that gets a nod. I think they'd be silly to get rid of it at the lower spec levels.

[@mrvwbug4423]

The Roscoe 9 wasn't selling well because of the high price point. Once you make the jump from budget friendly hardtail into high end hardtail most people who want high end hardtails will buy a hand built steel or titanium frame and build the bike up fully custom.

[@austinradtke2896]

If I was going to spend $2700 on a hard tail, I'm going to buy a Stanton frame and build it to my exact specification. I love my Roscoe 7 but I really only bought it over a Stanton because it fit my budget better for the $1000 I spent on it.

[@MrTacoJay]

Exactly what I am doing. I had a Roscoe 7. Put factory fox fork on it. And a full Xt groupset. I’m now talking to Dan,.. and getting a Stanton switch9er frame built.

[@dvs620]

GT is selling their highest end Zaskar (Expert) for $1470 with an option to save 15% off on their website. SRAM NX drivetrain, Rockshox 35 Gold fork. That's a hell of a setup for a budget price. Price point of just a step above beginner.

[@wayofthehike]

I love my R9 - picked it up after seeing your reviews. One of my fav bikes ever and sold my full suspension to buy it. Having said that, so many people on my local trails are riding e-mtbs now. On the weekends it feels like 90% of folks are riding electric. It’s clearly the direction everything is going.

[@juki1x]

It is cheaper to buy the higher model than do the upgrades. I am in that predicament. Upgrading the fork on my bike ( not a Trek) puts me already at a more expensive bracket than getting the next model. Without including the more gears drivetrain, the bottom bracket or the rear hub.

[@jokermtb]

I had a bit of a chuckle watching your zig-zag your 9 around the rocks sticking up out of the ground and also the loose stones - definitely what you need to do on a hardtail to preserve your legs from the vibrations and pounding (all those rocks are prime fodder for mini-jumps & hops on a full suspension bike). Back in the day, hardtails had a huge variety in frame designs and materials that would try their hardest to flex (some even had tiny little spring-only shocks in the seatstay to absorb trail shocks), suspension seatposts, even detuning rear wheels, by reducing wheel tension for a more forgiving ride, the search to soften hardtails back then was a big deal - a burly aluminum frame on the Trek doesn't bother with trying to be compliant like the frames of old used to strive towards, so in a way, hardtail tech has definitely regressed. You definitely still have some cush in your cartilage, as you're still 'young'. Eventually, all that commotion at the rear wheel will catch up to you, as most of us old dogs have experienced. It's not an 'if', but 'when' kinda thing, so enjoy your hardtail while your body still can. cheers, and ride what puts a smile on your face no matter what.

[@MrChristiangraham]

I'm in my 50s and went back to a hardtail as I simply preferred it over full sus. Mine's a Whyte rather than a Trek though.

[@notlemcram]

I hear you! I am 50 on a hardtail with 5 spinal surgeries under my belt. I like the idea of a dual supension but want the best of both worlds. Strangely enough, that fox Neo thing just got released.. I wonder if that is my ticket into the world of high maintenance bicycles that will finally get me off my hardtail and eat my wallet but help more in my old age with the arthritis.

[@thebikeracer]

Hard tails teach you how to ride! Learn on a hard tail and a full suspension will be even more of a rocket ship when you ride one!

[@jokermtb]

did that for years back in the 80’s/90’s, and never want to do that again, it’s one thing bwhen there’s no alternatives, but nowadays it’s willful masochism

[@EvilL33]

It could also be the R9 is always sold out because they've been so heavily discounted, making them more appealing than the R7 and R8. That's pretty much the reason I went for the R9 anyway.

[@DB-sd3cw]

Same. I remember when they were 3k then I happened to walk into a trek store and saw an R9 in my size for $2499, I couldn't resist. Of course I was devastated when they went down to $1999 a couple months later 😂

[@fretlessed25]

@@DB-sd3cw - In 2023 I saw the Roscoe 8 just come down from $2,400 to $2,000 while the 9 was still $2,800. I snapped up an 8 thinking I got a great deal and then Trek dropped the 8 down to $1,600 this year- so you are not alone in your anguish. I think about it alot.

[@KineticsReborn]

100% right where the Roscoe 9 while as amazing as it is really is priced at a point where you can get a decent full suspension. But I also did exactly what you said. I bought a Roscoe 6 for the Keswick Green color which I LOVED! I took off the Shimano cues drivetrain and switched it to Shimano 12-speed, put a Fox 36 performance fork on, and the rear wheel is the same as the Roscoe 9 the rapid drive 108 high engagement hub. Made my own Roscoe 9 in the color I love

[@crisg1054]

I like the simplicity of a HT and flowy trails are fun to hit in one too. My favorite is riding chunky trails at a very fast pase so a full suspension is what gets job for my preferred terrain to ride

[@blakebradshaw8208]

I have the Roscoe 7 and i absolutely love it. I came from bmx so hardtail doesn’t feel that bad. I still get amped on having a front fork. It’s also do it all machine.

[@wesconklin]

I got me a marlin 5 gen 2, I’m planing on putting a 10 speed sing chainring on it and nice brakes with a dropper post,

[@alaefarmestatesllc]

It’s been the end for a long while already for the Roscoe 9. Haven’t been able to buy one in way over 6 months. Not new anyways. Last I checked they only had small frames left. As I was typing that, you mentioned all of what I just said lol. Electric Roscoe would be cool for those people who are into that. For those of us who aren’t, they should give us the 9 back

[@timfreeman2603]

Roscoe+ would be sick

[@hardtailrider7172]

as a person who is dedicated to riding and upgrading the Roscoe 9’s They’re definitely is a E Roscoe line in the future. The marlin+is just a test run.😉

[@DreadRaybo]

You are probably right on the money. Just jumped onto the Specialized website to double check that they no longer had the Expert version of the Fuse, and they don't even have the Comp version available at this time. So yeah, it appears most or all of the big bike companies are pairing down the offerings of their higher end hardtails.

[@epd1584]

I have a roscoe 8 and i have owned Sworks and other top end race bikes and I love my Roscoe 8. It is one of the best deals on the market at $1599. I really hope Trek keeps the Roscoe in the lineup. Most compliant frame and package you are gonna get for the burly hardtail market from mainstream brands. You can get a better ride quality but gonna cost you probably 2k more. Also I agree I do not want an E-Roscoe I like the workout.

[@PuffinPass]

I love hardtails and I think the Roscoe is a great frame. What I don't think is that the R9 is worth the 3k price tag they put on it. It has good specs but they are not top specs and there are many comparable spec hardtails for a lower price point. I also think the Marlin being their hardtail e-bike was a bad choice, they should have started with the Roscoe frame instead and they probably would have gotten better sales of it. The Marlin is a decent entry level MTB but it doesn't take long before its limitations start to show, these are geometry limitations not components. The Roscoe on the other hand can easily be worth it for a beginner because it is a bike that can be with them and upgraded as you go all the way through very advanced riding. Trek has been a good company but they have always seemed slightly out of touch with what people actually want and they price their stuff like gold, that is going to come back to bite them.

[@thebdceigal]

I bought a Roscoe 8 3 months ago (and love it) but only because I couldn't find the Roscoe 9 in my size. When I went to pick up the 8 they had a 9 in stock but it was an XL frame instead of L and just felt too big. I agree though probably for most riders the price is too high for a hardtail, not everyone is crazy like us.

[@michaeldevries2482]

For $3k you can get a decent full squish bike. At $3k+ most buyers will go with top shelf “boutique” brands.

[@refresh77]

Looks like a lovely trail to ride!

[@ronaldweed6103]

BEAST!!

[@callumjohnson9433]

You need to checkout the Orange MsIsle for a hard tail emtb, ripper!

[@TheChange-jd5zt]

Its the frame color brother lol I couldnt do the 9 so I bought the blue 8 and upgraded it now its better than the 9 and looks good

[@hogg8984]

I love the Roscoe and think it looks sick. But everyone I know how has bought one has complained about how sluggish it is to pedal, due to the fat tires. I guess they wanted more XC bikes without knowing.

[@MattyActive]

I agree about the sluggish tires, that’s why I switched mine out, I put a faster rolling tire on the rear

[@IronLordFitness]

@@MattyActive Hi Matty ! I've bought a (fantastic) Trek Procaliber 8 2024 as a "do everything bike" but I mainly use it as a commuter now. The tires are also a little bit too fat for asphalt. What would you recommend ? Cheers from France !

[@holc123]

for how big trek is and all the Trek retailers in my area I rarely see them on the trails. Santa Cruz, Specialized and Ibis are the most popular by far. Northern California- I ride up to four times a week.

[@Markozzy]

i like my aggressive hardtails over full sus just my jam every one has there preference they will replace the roscoe to a electric alternative eventually

[@keith6872]

There are lots of flat paved rail trails and hilly paved trails around here. My Rosco bike with its wide knobby tires is not my favorite(too much work). My Rail 5 emtb is my favorite dual purpose.

[@johnmausteller]

Full sus stump jumper. 3000. Aluminum. May replace my SPECIALIZED FUSE COMP.

[@albikes8484]

Its not just Trek. I feel the hardtail market in general is dying. When im out riding im always surprised to see a hardtail. When i see one it makes me feel like im not alone in my Hardtail / Full Rigid love. Plus the E world seems strong and i am seeing more and more of them on the trail. I dont see a full Sus or an E bike in my future. I guess im a traditionalist when it comes to riding and gear. Ive heard the term RETRO Grouch.

[@1monkeyflower]

It’s kinda disheartening to me the industry is going to e mtb so much. I ride to unplug and enjoy the simplicity and gratification of human power and e mtb is the opposite of that.

[@derekneumann]

Yup!

[@BaldKiwi117]

It is inevitable. I don't have an emtb but the main selling point to me is that it enables you to be out longer and explore more.

[@1monkeyflower]

@@BaldKiwi117 that’s called marketing you can spend just as much time on the bike electric or not. It’s the whole instant gratification disease nobody explores on e bikes all they talk about is number of laps. If you doing laps you’re not too concerned with exploring.

[@BaldKiwi117]

@@1monkeyflower it's not marketing it's factual. If there are more trails that I can ride in the limited time that I have then an emtb would let me traverse more ground... If a person wants to do more laps in their given time then that's fine too. It's about having fun. I don't understand why people have such strong feelings against emtb. Just let people have fun and ride your own ride.

[@1monkeyflower]

@@BaldKiwi117 if your using time as your measure why does distance matter just ride. LikeI said it’s about getting away from technology believe it or not there are still a lot of people who want to unplug and enjoy a human powered wilderness experience and e bikes with its electric hum just sucks to hear and see on trails. At the bike park and resorts go for it you’re already using a ski lift and lodges and all. Just cowgirl up and get a dirt bike like the rest of us if you want to be lazy and get more distance in, they are more of a workout than e bikes too, they're also cheaper and just as easy to load. And most can be made street legal so you can still ride it to the trails.

[@jdrods1519]

Awesome video brother!!! Just Found your channel!

[@fid420]

Rigid Hardtail is the most fun. 😊

[@BaldKiwi117]

It's quite simply overpriced. Asking $3k for an aluminum hardtail is ridiculous. You're absolutely right that the vast majority is looking at full suspension for that money. You can get a carbon hardtail for that money too

[@saddleweary2777]

I paid under 3 for my carbon, stripped it and rebuilt it with top notch specs and managed to keep it under 6. All I need is a cheap frame to put the parts on and I'll have two hardtails with only 3 investment each. One high end carbon and one mid range aluminum.

[@Devin032]

I'd have to disagree with your prediction. Making it an e-mtb will further push it into that high end hardtail market and if people are spending 4-5k on an e-mtb, they are probably going to spend a little more and get the full suspension. Applying the same argument you made for the disappearance of the Roscoe 9. They have the Marlin+ because the price delta between that and a full suspension e bike is great enough that someone considering the marlin probably won't spend the significant extra money for the full suspension.

[@JimmyJoeJr]

I was going to buy this bike next spring but my LBS said its been discontinued, and they do not have any more details at the moment. I was going to install a bafang 1000w mid drive on it like I did to my Marlin 5.I could climb almost anything with the 8 speed and figured with a 12 speed nothing could stop me. I was really impressed with all the parts on the Roscoe 9, but hopefully the 8 will replace it with the same part or better

[@BlackMan614]

$3k for a Roscoe?? I bought a carbon Pro Cal for $2.4k 2 years ago. Unreal bike inflation. And yeah... looking at Trek's website I guess they've figured out they can only charge $10k for ebikes and that is their focus.

[@chw14556]

I just got the new Trek Checkpoint SL6 Gen 3 gravel bike, ooooooooooh so sweet. I realized quickly after getting a MTB that its really not for me and I wanted something that could ride road and rocks equally.

[@TrekkinMTB]

Matty, I just purchased my Roscoe 9 about a month-and-a-half ago from a local shop down here in Jensen Beach Florida. It's sat in there shop for probably a year until I bought it because the shop wouldn't honor the websites discount price. I paid 2500 plus tax for my R9 and I have already dumped about 1300 into it. I wouldn't trade my R9 for a full suspension at all. There are days where I'd love to have a full size and yeah they look awesome but my R9 does everything I needed to

[@fredEVOIX]

you don't need a hardtail some susp can be locked (like the I know expensive fox float SL I bought a dps on sale same thing lock moves less than 0.39" with rebound on slow you lose very little energy, I did 2 hours of 15-20% slope with my DPS it's fine im 220 not exactly fit my lungs gave up before the pedal pumping became a problem) emtbs require a full susp, hardtails (rented 2) don't work the rear wheel does burnouts but you're not moving, emtb you need to sit for your wheel to work properly also only cadence matters emtb are not cycling it's a different thing I would not do it if I didn't live near mountains and hadn't already tried to climb several on my muscular only to realize I had no energy left at the top missing the fun part the forest trails going down, emtb are like riding a boat you're nowhere near as connected and in charge as a muscular bike especially a hardtail where you need to find the best path etc...it's not bad but it's a different activity for me clearly p.s. I'm going to climb a mountain on my muscle 120mm XC today just to compare it with an emtb tomorrow 6 miles 2821ft at 9% no flats sigh...have to do it for science ;)

[@mrsith1402]

I have a 23 Roscoe 9. It's a great bike but I think Trek will discontinue it entirely because the market for a burly hardtail is too small.

[@anunez6092]

I work at a bike shop that sells Salsa bikes and have some buddies who work at Trek shops. I think for the average consumer it is hard spending $3k on an aluminum hardtail when the Procaliber 9.5 Gen 3 starts at $2,499. From what I have noticed, folks who want to spend over $3k for a hardtail tend to go carbon, I think this could be why Trek is getting rid of the high price tag Roscoe

[@ruelsmith]

Read that Trek plans to go upscale with the Roscoe 8, basically eliminating models to choose from. I'm betting it won't be as upscale as the Roscoe 9, but higher spec than the current Roscoe 8.

[@elibrown9442]

I couldn’t find a Roscoe 9 in xl frame anywhere but eBay and snatched it up for $1500.00

[@jurisx85]

The Roscoes don't even come to my country, Ecuador. No market for an expensive Hardtail, they say. 😢

[@iecrime]

I hate to admit it that as much as I love my analog bikes, ever since picking up an emtb (a hardtail), I am far more inclined to ride it than any of my other bikes. I don't "love" it like my other bikes; it's not as dynamic or necessarily as fun, but I can do a lot more riding & climbing without wasting myself.

[@mattj6676]

I'd say Trek carries too many bikes that are too similar to each other, from the perspective of someone looking to buy their first or second bike. And each model has tons of sizes, colors, and equipment options. I mean 9 Roscoes, about the same Marlins, on and on. It adds cost to manufacturing and makes their bikes more expensive than similar competitors. BTW, Matty, if you look on any company's website at the bottom will be a "contact us" link, if you email them and tell them you're a KZbinr with 35,000 subs and a known Trek-lover and you simply ask them if they're discontinuing the model, you might actually get a contact from a public affairs rep or someone. You have some pull now, just ask and they might respond!

[@MattyActive]

I totally agree, they have too many similar options! I might actually contact them but I’m nervous 😅

[@mattj6676]

@@MattyActive You've faced major league pitching with your career on the line, you can do this!

[@digitalfriar6934]

I feel lucky that I'm short and was able to get a new S size Roscoe 9 for $2k.

[@drsamjohn]

Roscoe’s for the parts spec, are significantly over/higher priced than their equivalent spec ranges in either Marlin or Xcaliber counterparts (even compared to the new aluminum procalibers). The Roscoe’s do get better brakes and thru axle (rear), and one can argue the Fox fork on the R9 is better than the Rockshox on the xcaliber 9, but not to the tune of an extra $1,000 better (comparing full/initial list to list). Food for thought maybe?

[@roryveronda9933]

With the gravel explosion you’d think the HT market would take off

[@kosmonautfpv4920]

They’ve done the same with the Roscoe 6 only sm available. Also the 2024 Roscoe 6 has the same frame as the 7,8and9

[@DaBinChe]

No reason to spend more money on an off the shelf aluminum when it is better to get a steel or even a Ti hardtail. Also as you age your body will thank you for going full suspension. You have to think about what type of riding you doing and using an appropriate bike for it. For all the hardtail riding you do a XC full suspension works better while still keeping it exciting. Trying to use an enduro the same way leaves a lesser experience. This is the reason why I have a XC full suspension and a Enduro, different tool for different task.

[@kwaktak]

I’m thinking that yeah, maybe they will make it an ebike. That said, what will that do for demand on the rest of the line?

[@alixramos3589]

They did that to the GT pantera too.. good thing i bought the last breed of GT’s last plus size bike… new panteras now are electric… so JAY 😂

[@jacobmullis408]

About a month ago I saw on treks used site a red Roscoe 8 that was spec’ed better than the current Roscoe 8, but not as good as the Roscoe 9. So 🤷‍♂️

[@lucasimo1993]

It's not always about the money. If you like R9, you like and you buy. Doesn't matter if with the same price you buy a fully. But as i already read, is also not for everyone and ofc there is a different market for this aggressive hardtail

[@Alfahippie]

They are defenitely getting rid of it, they are sold out everywhere in europe too.

[@Stockfish1511]

MyRoscoe 9 is good bike, problem is the price. Generally Trek bikes are more expensive than the competition, but i never minded that because imo Trek is goated and sell best bikes out there. I have Gen 4 rail 9.8 and gen 5 slash 9.8. I got them on sale so it was worth it for me. But i honestly dont see myself paying more than 1500 dollar for a hardtail even for a Trek. This days with same price as roscoe 9 you can get some pretty good full suspension bikes from second and third class brands. You can get low spec canyon spectral forexample for almost same price you can get YT capra with some decent specs like gx drivetrain, performance level suspension, dt swiss wheels, maxis tires, code r brakes. I dont simply see why hardtail should cost that much when full suspension dont. I get some people prefer hardtail. But for me ill take full sus over hardtail any day

[@_Zane__]

I kind of regret buying my roscoe 9 since I need an ebike because I'm going back to school 😂

[@mdlassel]

i just got a used 2018 trek stache as my first "real" bike. man, it rips.

[@trv16gel]

Interesting that Specialized lists the Fuse as 'unavailable' at the moment. Maybe a new model is coming? I haven't been in the sport very long but it seems most ppl will start on a hardtail then go full sus forever.

[@braddailey2249]

Do you know of anywhere that still has some 9’s in stock?

[@MattyActive]

Only used market and maybe some trek retail stores.

[@braddailey2249]

Ok thank you

[@dunkinking]

I got a gen 5 slash 9.8 for $3400 at my lbs. I know I found a great deal on it but why on earth would I get a hardtail for $400 less??

[@chrisinmontreal]

Hardtail all day every day Rocky Mountain Growler 50 in the house

[@d.b.5070]

If I’m going to pay that much I’d probably get a Farley…

[@paulemillevasseur7622]

Trek is reducing the number of Skus and they have been at this for some time now. It's super sad that they're likely going to stop producing such a killer bike :( I think the X-Caliber series will be totally gone too!

[@GaeFrogs]

Specialized already discontinued the Fuse

[@bdubs1967]

Nah...nobody's buying higher end bikes unless they're used right now.

[@DTN504]

3k for a hardtail, at that price point I'd have a nice Enduro bike

[@50whatnomadtravelnursemtb5]

they are going to do what specialized is doing, not so many bikes, like the trail bike, enduro bike and a downhill bike.

[@E.T_rode_bikes_As_well]

Bought a YT izzo carbon fs with better parts less than 3k new.

[@JamesEvans-uh7nu]

I prefer hardtails

[@twinsfeederfishing4487]

I love my R9,that bikes can handle more than i can imagine...it worth every penny.Great bike

[@davidcrowson4745]

Are people still buying 3k bicycles in this market? IDK.

[@MattyActive]

True, I got mine 2 years ago.

[@E.T_rode_bikes_As_well]

Trek went over his head with the prices of HTs… that’s it. No one wants to buy a bigbrand aluminium HT with the price of a well speccd direct sales FS bike.

[@alanobrien5284]

You need to jump off the trek train and go STEEL. I just built up a Nimble 9 and it’s incredible

[@KeoOutdoors]

$3k for a good hardtail is reasonable

[@_Zane__]

I kind of want to sell my roscoe 9 frame and buy a steel hardtail frame and move the guts over 😂

[@setransou]

They dont sell. Most would prefer full suss at that price point. Plus, that paint job on the 9….turrible!

[@spookyshark632]

Yeah, can't say I like the paint flecks. Makes it look like the bike was worn out straight out of the box.

[@jjmark4107]

for 1.5k im looking for a carbon frame on a hardtail otherwise its not worth it.

[@hugorivera9738]

I think youre about a year too late on this info. It’s been known that trek and big manufacturers are going to kill a lot of their multi offering for the single model. Marlin will be the xc, Roscoe will be the trail, and we’ll only have the option of the one Roscoe model - probably the 7

[@melbournechugging2999]

Overpriced and all lies from these manufacturers

[@blakekennard7700]

Maybe stop buying trek Mat. They never seem to make you happy down the road.

[@saifer21]

E-bikes are the future, 60% of bikes sales in EU are ebikes, and it will grow even more. Germeny sales are already 80% ebikes. They are just more fun to ride.

[@g_mack]

More fun to ride hahahaha

[@zed5129]

@@g_mack uphill, yes

[@Marleyisadog]

For retail the Roscoe 9 is just overpriced and doesn’t come specked well enough to justify the price. For 3k you can buy a just as nice if not nicer of a spec full sus. Also most people will shy away just because of the ugly color way. But for the sale price I think it’s decently worth it.

[@seancline8130]

everything Trek is overpriced.

[@TheArimatheus]

Isn't the Procaliber already competing in the same high-end hardtail market? And Trek even said they were gonna cut their SKU list in half.

[@reggieringgoldjr68]

Yeah, they're fazing them out. 🤔🤝🏾🇺🇸💪🏾🫡