Is Vigilante Justice The Answer To America's Problems?

PDS Debt is offering a free debt analysis. It only takes thirty seconds. Get yours at PDSDebt.com/mi... | Luigi Mangione faces charges in the death of CEO Brian Thompson. Daniel Penny was acquitted in the death of Jordan Neely. Both are 26 year old white men who are likely to face very different fates. Both are being applauded for being vigilantes. Is vigilante justice the answer to America's problems, or just a symptom of them?
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[@bradiedean7466]

"violence can never be used to address political differences" Sir, the CIA would beg to freaking differ

[@LyricsQuest]

JFK really knows how true that is.

[@KeesBoons]

11 September 1973

[@GullibleTarget]

Luigi is not CIA.

[@Leahcimmichael]

That organisation and its evil pack of bastards have been the greatest threat to human flourishing and world peace since the Reich.

[@nordinreecendo512]

Right! We have to work within the system our ancestors died fighting for! Hey wait a second...

[@ncdogg425]

These two stories gets better coverage than United Health provided.

[@mytruecrimelibrary]

Savage but true 👍

[@benedictdonald4338]

Quote of the century.

[@Adelina-293]

With a lower rejection rate as well.

[@joex24b]

nice

[@dremaar9157]

Hmmmm beautiful

[@KodiaxeMusic]

We’re like 4 CEOS away from free healthcare

[@fancyprinter]

I do NOT condone violence of any kind ever But that got a good laugh outta me

[@brandonmuse5532]

😂😂😂😂

[@epicmetalfan9094]

lol I think it would take a lot more honestly. These blood-sucking leeches don't care for anyone, especially their own. It's just one less competitor to them. Simple math. They still continued with the investor conference after he died and posted up the application for his job only an hour or two afterwards on the same day. At least they have the same callousness towards life to their own. But that puts forth a question. Are we okay with being treated this way? Like numbers on a spreadsheet? Obviously the majority are not, considering the outrage in this country.

[@the_om_project]

😂😂😂

[@walterkeith3711]

Hell yeah 👍

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

Wait, wait, are the politicians of a nation that was born out of a revolutionary war trying to say that violence cannot produce change for the better?

[@DarkEdgePrince]

The rules for acquiring power are different than the rules for keeping power.

[@trunks2585]

They've always said it. Kinda funny how fast we forget our past. Hell even the founders tried to be like 'you can protest, but it has to be peaceful'. We've been hypocrites from the start.

[@spOOkytimes]

While the county is literally a world power because of the destruction and violence it can cause. If you're waiting for a poliitician to say something smart or worthwhile, you may be waiting for quite a while.

[@UpRisingDown]

👍😂

[@iaminevitable_]

Rules for thee but not for me 😒

[@filthymcnasty7960]

Point of order: the US healthcare system isn't broken, but rather working exactly as designed.

[@ckyung1312]

Yep. And the reason we hear very little about all of it from politicians is because the ones at the top - almost all of them - left and right - are sleeping together with these corporations getting fatter and fatter.

[@BenjaminWalburn]

@@ckyung1312 not left and right, just right and further right. There are no leftists in power in the US.

[@tinywalnut6337]

This is the best comment ever, especially with that username.

[@KrishnaSingh-ow1ie]

Exactly. That's greedy capitalism for you.

[@saps5831]

Not mutually exclusive things, if a bridge is designed to be horrible and dangerous it can and should be described as broken.

[@trainerjoe9469]

To quote Alan Moore, "People should not fear their governments, governments should fear their people."

[@trainerjoe9469]

@@sumfatdude4824 I was referring to kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2eZfIysm8aneZosi=h02oGPOJB6TUv7zD&t=132

[@innercityprepper]

or a totally crazy idea -- maybe neither should fear each other.

[@thomaslucignano5188]

And while everyone is focused on government, capitalists are picking our pockets.

[@blackflagsnroses6013]

@@sumfatdude4824why the hell should people fear government. We shouldn’t have to fear government

[@catdownthestreet]

Russians love that one! (this is a history joke)

[@blackestyang7528]

"those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" ~JFK

[@d.f.9064]

Trump wants to outlaw protesting, and already has around national Monuments, funny, since you know, January 06. He wants to use the military to put down protests. This will only end one way.

[@scottblubaugh]

I love this. You can’t change a corrupt system by playing within the rules of a corrupt system.

[@jakericcitelli8044]

That's scary, sad, unfortunate, and true.

[@leonalielee2880]

Incredibly ironic because of what his nephew has been up to lately

[@donuts44830]

Somebody ought to tell that to his nephew.

[@HalfwayJac]

I just found out that the number 1 cause of homelessness is medical debt.

[@sortasurvival5482]

It be a hell of a thing if that guy was homeless for that very reason

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

It's intentional.

[@cl8804]

jew love to see it

[@zombies4evadude24]

@@cl8804 what does this have to do with Jews? Antisemitic...

[@YourMomsPlaceLastNight]

Lol that's bullshit....lazy drug addicts that refuse FREE TREATMENT is the number one cause of homelessness.....go ask any homeless guy in San Fran if they want a nice warm bed tonight and meals daily.....but cant get high there.....they will turn you down.....if your jobless in the United States medical care is free since Obama.....or another issue is terrible LIBERAL POLICY......why rent for STUDIO APARTMENTS in California are 2 even 3000$ a month.....same in New York or Canada.....weird in CONSERVATIVE RURAL NORTHERN MN and North Dakota....apartments are still 500$ a month.....my 2 br 2ba LAKEFRONT townhouse is $900 a month .... 2000$ a month in liberal Minneapolis....where you can't go after dark because you know all the racist white people and cops making it so dangerous lol

[@cory23e]

As a Marine, I can’t believe Penney was acquitted. Our training as Marines means we know the limits. That was no accidental death, Penney knew exactly what he was doing.

[@bley99]

Exactly, sad to see people celebrating a guy that clearly has anger issues and thinks (and apparently can) get away with taking it out on the most vulnerable members of society

[@williamanderson4029]

Bullshcitt! You "trained" with a willing training partner, you never had to subdue a drugged up individual intent on ACTUALLY harming you!

[@TheProfessorExplains]

@cory23e - 100%. I was coming here to write this. While I’m not military, I trained in multiple martial arts disciplines with judo being my strongest style. The way I was trained was likely similar to you in that it was made VERY clear to us that once a person loses consciousness, a ticking clock begins. From that point on, their brain is not receiving oxygen and the longer that clock runs, the more permanent damage you are causing. At two minutes, significant brain damage is likely, and at three minutes, death is all but certain. From the implementation of a blood choke, in my experience it takes roughly 10-20 seconds for the person to lose consciousness based on multiple factors. If my concern was truly the people on the train, I’d have let go after he lost consciousness. As you know, when the hold is released, it’s not like the person wakes up and is ready for combat. They are usually confused and it takes them a while to get their bearings. So releasing him would have provided time to restrain him in a joint lock to prevent him from hurting anyone. Continuing the hold for six minutes is intentional killing someone. If the guy wasn’t trained, maybe I could see it, but no one who is trained would ever keep someone in a chokehold for six minutes unless killing the other person was their goal. And anyone who brings up adrenaline as an excuse has never been in a dangerous situation. Adrenaline will distort time, but six minutes with no additional threats to monitor and an unconscious opponent will still feel like a very very long time. Had that jury been filled with martial artists and military personnel, people with knowledge and experience when it comes to fighting and combat, there is no way he is found not guilty. As for the UNH CEO, he’s responsible for the deaths of more innocent people than Fat Man and Little Boy, so I have no sympathy for him at all and I only hope that jury realizes that there’s no penalty for “wrong” answers.

[@SOLIDSNAKE.]

I am a felon in this god damned country for far far less than this

[@xindaxoxou7431]

His name is the subway strangler. I will never call him anything else.

[@early.autumn.summer]

I vote, I make phone calls, I sign petitions, I protest and march and hold signs, I advocate- but it’s incredibly frustrating how everything I do seems to have such little impact. I’m not going to stop doing those things and I appreciate that I have the freedom to protest in America. But I’ve seen so many people denied access to rehab and put myself and my family into medical debt going through treatment in the past despite my mom’s high deductible insurance. Ive always been anti-guns as a whole but after reading Luigi’s manifesto and hearing horror stories from people across the political spectrum I’m closer to buying a gun then I ever have been.

[@xindaxoxou7431]

pew pew indeed

[@finitewehosh6542]

Anyone who says violence doesn't get answers should then explain why after Brian Thompson's assassination Blue Cross immediately rolled back controversial and unpopular changes to their handling of anesthesia charges.

[@jasonjones2810]

decades of peaceful protest does not work. We have lost our rights.

[@TemporalElpis]

I'm not so sure. Give it 6 months and I wouldn't be surprised to see those changes pop back up.

[@scottandrews947]

@@sumfatdude4824 Which party supported public healthcare in the 2024 election? Bernie Sanders didn't run this time.

[@ShadowProject01]

@@TemporalElpis I was thinking this too. Basically the water is too hot so the roads jumped out. They don’t want to be the victim of the inevitable copycats coming. When the hype dies down and Corpo media moves on they will reinstate it… Let’s not let it pass. I want to see them squeal.

[@ShadowProject01]

@@sumfatdude4824 no party offered this because they are both drinking from the same trough. Dems get kickbacks from healthcare too. Bernie isn’t bought. We could have addressed this. The DNC saw to that.

[@Demea_ds]

Look, I have been diagnosed with brain cancer twice in my life. Once was when I was 6 months old and another time was when I was 16. Both times my parents insurance said my parents might as well just keep me comfortable until I die. If not for my mother fighting as hard as she did I wouldn’t be 27 today. I am extremely aware that there have to be children like myself who weren’t as lucky as me. Luigi killed a murderer. No tears from me.

[@aycc-nbh7289]

By your logic, rival mafia clans were justified in doing the unspeakable because their targets were murderers.

[@helpumuch6887]

@@aycc-nbh7289not necessarily, you can’t really equate the two. Mafias are already doing other wrong things and are doing it for power, Luigi wasn’t a drug king pin or mafia boss involved in illegal dealings, he was just a dude pissed off at the system and was pushed to the brink. Equating these two things and the reasons they’re done is a logical fallacy

[@dragonsharker4793]

@@helpumuch6887what logical fallacy is it?

[@fleuphy]

@@dragonsharker4793 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

[@aycc-nbh7289]

@@helpumuch6887Except we can’t treat these assumptions as fact immediately without further evidence. For all we know, both the suspect and the CEO were ganged up and this was an act to assist in further wrongdoing.

[@updatedjustnow271]

The fact that a so called “healthcare” company can make a yearly profit of $23 billion all the while denying claims and breaking insider trading laws and not being heavily monitored by the government maybe we (the people) do need to take matters into our own hands. Efforts for change through politics have failed.

[@CheekyLovesCheeseCake.]

Agreed. I once saw a foreigner refer to the U.S. as "the nicest third world country" he's ever been to. Change will come when we the people finally say *enough* .

[@Gabriel49718]

@@CheekyLovesCheeseCake. In many ways, we are a 3rd world country, with a strong military.

[@hallucinoJEN1978]

Seeing the responses of people after the death of a CEO makes me think that a class warfare may occur at some point in the future. It made me think of the book "A Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens. If the DNC and the GOP won't stop the 1%, then who will?

[@jacknerdlord3244]

The health insurance companies are actively radicalizing the population against them and their response to a folk hero is to get personal security.

[@socrAtes232323]

first we have to actually vote for the people who will actually do it. it can`t have failed if it was never going to happen. we never even took it in our own hands to vote for the right people. and now it might be too late.

[@manatea6012]

Friends of mine who couldn't get insulin and other necessary medications suddenly had their prescriptions approved the day of or after the UHC murder.

[@madnessarcade7447]

Dehumanization of people of color and racsm and hypocrisy I’m Shocked

[@crashnova7601]

As someone forced to live in chronic pain , I have no sympathy for "healthcare" mafia bosses I do however , have sympathy for all their victims

[@ninaconnolly6077]

The CEO killed hundreds by denying claims.

[@asailorandhisdogslyknight5391]

Automobile insurance CEOs are in the circle too,

[@raizdesuenos]

We ahould have universal healthcare

[@woodruff473]

Same. I, too, have chronic pain and have no sympathy as well.

[@leobigelow7021]

@@ninaconnolly6077Do you have the slightest shred of actual evidence of that? Nah.

[@papayayaya5049]

Jordan was a victim of the system, Brian was the system

[@sz7646]

THIS!! 👏🏻

[@IndigoBellyDance]

Yes! Brian Thompson and others created the system & benefitted greatly from the system

[@Eshajori]

Jordan's murder was a victim being punished. Brian's murder was a victim seeking punishment.

[@saiyanpryme219]

Yo! Great comment

[@dbcooper2756]

Huh???? Jordan was a violent convicted felon who came from a very good middle class two parent home. His own family forbad him from visiting because he was deemed to be dangerous by everyone who knew him. They gave birth to another Anthony Spilatro and they understandably wanted nothing to do with it.

[@chococat746]

If peacefully protesting does nothing because they just ignore you or voting in politicians who do nothing because they are paid by special interests not to, then what other avenue is there?

[@dylanmiller1140]

Peaceful protesting does nothing. If we wanna talk about non violent sure but if there is no disruption then nothing is being protested it’s just publicly sanctioned actions so people can feel better about themselves

[@MayorOfEarth79]

Yeah, remember the 3 million women who protested Trump's inaguration in 2017? Oh you don't? Well that's cause nothing really came out of it other than the pink hats.

[@HasnaaAlaa]

Unionize, join your local DSA and if necessary direct action but it's essential to fight together not separate

[@GullibleTarget]

When and where are those protests? I have not seen anyone picketing and marching for healthcare. When it was proposed by Sanders, y'all called him a socialist. Honestly, the cognitive dissonance of Americans...

[@zombies4evadude24]

Even worse honestly- Trump would probably send the military or national guard against peaceful protests. He's tried to do it before even... Standing up to the billionaires WILL require brave men and women (& enbys) to sacrifice, sadly. The tree of liberty is thirsty...

[@jenniwithrow2881]

Thank you! I had this absolutely wrong, but now knowing the facts, I am DISGUSTED AND EMBARRASSED by getting sucked into the lies, and I am horrified about that man getting off, after how I know the facts you stayed the man in the subway, really died. Very heartbroken to hear this now ❤️🙏

[@andiralosh2173]

CEO's are more than a part of the ruling class. They are specific people with the power to curb unethical practices. Obviously they are hired to make money at the cost of working people, but they are taking that role as a figurehead for the big bucks. There's a big difference even between being and investor and seeing how the slaughterhouse runs. These degrees of accountability matter

[@waxon2]

"Poverty is the worst form of violence" Mahatma Ghandi

[@Vengiism]

He hated black people So wrong video

[@Novusod]

He just never saw what real war was like: Gaza, Ukraine, Dresden, Hiroshima, etc.

[@helpumuch6887]

@@Novusoddoesn’t take away from his statement. We all agree shooting someone is violence but we don’t count board rooms picking who lives and who dies as violence. We don’t consider the treatment of the homeless by police or cities as violence even tho it makes their lives nearly impossible. We don’t consider price gouging as violence even tho it bankrupts citizens. Violence needs a new definition cuz what UHC is doing isn’t just business, it’s violence

[@deadalpeca8099]

1. It is spelt 'Gandhi' 2. He expressed racist beliefs in his youth but later went on to retract those and even fight for the freedom of people in some African countries 3. It is absurd to say he never saw what real war was like. He lived through both WW1 and WW2. Plenty of other wars took place in his lifetime as well. Please educate yourselves.

[@waxon2]

@@deadalpeca8099 Thanks for the spelling correction; that one's on me. Good info, good corrections and good comment :)

[@Gaby-nx8ln]

"For one, Luigi Mangione can get it." LMAOOO

[@mikeredd8833]

I rewound and showed that to my wife. She said yup 😅

[@Whynotyertl]

Perioddd

[@pineapplewhatever5906]

What is "it"? Is there something he understands that we don't?

[@businesscat25]

Sex. the joke is sex.

[@omotayosatuyi252]

disagree with that comment, I don't really care if the person is good looking they committed a crime and must go to jail

[@leopardsun]

Short answer: it's not the solution, but it can sure as hell be the catalyst towards one.

[@joex24b]

well put.

[@_t_f_]

Yeah I think that's a fair way to put it. There is a reason vigilantism is outlawed. Don't get me wrong, I won't lose a single moment of my life grieving the CEO. I love the memes, but truly it is a dangerous game if we don't access nuance in these situations & understand the root of our actions- what is truly, at the core "right" and "wrong" (and why).

[@joex24b]

@@_t_f_ Good comment. I think we're seeing an overwhelming outpouring of anger and frustration. For too long, this has been intangible. We all know what it's like to be mistreated and finally we have a focal point to direct our rage. I am perfectly fine with it. Hopefully it's a beginning to something better but in the meantime we have to bear the brunt of being chastised by politicians and business leaders over our rage. What other choice did they give us?

[@spOOkytimes]

When a system is run by bad faith bullies who do as they please because they rely on the good faith of others, it's just a matter of time before that good faith is worn to nothing.

[@grumpysourdough]

it is a solution.

[@etep878]

I'm routinely horrified that people in this country celebrate the death of one its most helpless and in need like Jordan Neely.

[@NestSinister]

He was threatening the lives of people and had a pulse when the police were on the scene after Daniel Penny released him.

[@timbirdie8180]

​@@NestSinisteryeah having a pulse is common in people who get shot at 20 times...not the take u think it is

[@kiflelk]

Thanks!

[@capsjukebox]

Under late stage capitalism it will become more and more apparent to regular people who matters and who doesn’t under this Justice system.

[@jasonjones2810]

yep. We are just workers, we do not matter beyond the products we produce.

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

Daily reminder that "late stage" happens when socialist ideology infects soyciety.

[@veilenj]

​​​@@jasonjones2810then when we refuse to produce they will use violence to make us then chastise us for defending ourselves.

[@UndertakerU2ber]

lol @ “late stage capitalism” People have been proclaiming that the U.S. was in “late stage capitalism” for over a century and nothing has changed. Also, what you’re seeing isn’t a problem caused by capitalism, but one that’s caused by overt bias when it comes to enforcing the law. There’s a good chance that they’re only looking out for their Democrat buddies rather than someone who’s wealthy, as I can’t see them caring this much if it was Elon Musk who was bumped off. If anything, the problems you see would only get worse under a socialist or communist system as power gets consolidated into the hands of the few to oppress the masses.

[@veilenj]

@UndertakerU2ber 🤪 👢

[@triofan9]

People like Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh defend Kyle Rittenhouse and Daniel Penny and Derek Chauvin but people defending Luigi is a step too far for them . Okay 😂

[@Nos2113]

​@@Sneakerhead13-sy5hz Yes, yes, and no

[@JohnathenSweeney]

Yes but they also realize they're rich elites and if it's open season for rich elites like themselves then...

[@AlerieHightower]

@@Sneakerhead13-sy5hz Rittenhouse went looking for trouble and found it. If he'd minded his own damn business, no one would have died.

[@john2g1]

​@@Sneakerhead13-sy5hz how long exactly did Penny maintain the choke hold? He's a post 9/11 veteran like myself, and the rear naked choke is something that we're all intimately familiar with. Penny was as much a defender as Chauvin.

[@ninacarmen8433]

@@Sneakerhead13-sy5hzthat’s the narrative you like to tell yourself

[@Faminetheblack]

OK, tiny thought experiment. A 2008 study puts UNH at 26000 claims denied. This has most definitely gone up. But for simplicity sake we'll say they rejected 26000 claims this year. If even 1 percent of those claims (260 people) died due to their claim being denied (this is also most likely MUCH higher) that would put our dearly departed CEO at BARE minimum somewhat responsible for the unnecessary suffering and death of over 200 people. Keep in mind, his claim denial rate increased exponentially to about 30 percent and it's not 2008 so they most likely had claims in the 10's of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands. He is not "somewhat" responsible. He's highest on the pyramid, and should be treated as such. He's responsible for deaths of innocent people. He played stupid games, and won a stupid prize. I don't feel bad, I had a drink when I heard. May the worms enjoy their meal.

[@JH22533]

"May the worms enjoy their meal" goes so fuckin hard. Mind if I steal that phrase?😂

[@Gabriel49718]

@@Faminetheblack I mean, we rightly blame political leaders when they don’t actually kill people (I’m looking at you, Bibi). If they are the leaders, they are responsible.

[@Faminetheblack]

@@JH22533 Go to town

[@rabbit251]

Luigi - DSAF

[@xindaxoxou7431]

The worms might get indigestion but they are brave little soldiers and will continue to feast.

[@jamesmerkel1932]

What happened to Jordan Neely was appalling. Being abandoned by his father at 8, having mental health problems not addressed by the system or BLM when they were known. His mother was murdered when he was 14. After his assault of an elderly woman he was given the opportunity via rehab, a place to stay, free food, and as long as he completed the program his assault charge was going to be reduced. He walked out after 13 days, and a warrant was out for his arrest. NOBODY in his family or life did anything for him, and they allowed him to delve further into a horrible situation. Now, AFTER his death, his father, family and BLM are screaming for money and violence. They didn't step in before, they didn't care before. They only see the opportunity in his death to grift and play the race card. It really is a tragedy that noone in his life cared about him until they could use him. It's criminal, and it's even worse when the sentiment is touted by privileged grifters trying to ride that gravy train made of his blood online. If you all actually cared, you'd be volunteering and donating to shelters. Not trying to collect a paycheck and clout from his death. If the people screaming the loudest had actually DONE something for people in his situation, he never would have been there in the first place. If the politicians these people voted for in these large cities actually did anything of value, they'd have actual, working programs in place. Instead you have multi-million dollar money laundering schemes like Newsom put into place in california. So get off your soap box and actually do something of value, go participate in a solution, go volunteer to help these people. Go involve yourself in action, and stop expecting everyone else to foot the work to fix the problems you grift off of.

[@xindaxoxou7431]

The subway strangler needs to lose very last cent by getting sued. Too bad none of the boot licking DAs will bring up the charge that was dropped so a new trial can begin anew against the strangler.

[@jamesmerkel1932]

@xindaxoxou7431 You've apparently missed all the pertinent information. The Neely's FATHER, FAMILY and EVERYONE ELSE trying to milk his death for profit after they ignored his life deserve to be imprisoned for abuse, neglect, and his death. You're blaming the wrong person for this entire situation.

[@timbirdie8180]

Blm is a movement no one cares for the organization ..I wasnt even ten when he was abandoned ..what could I have done stupid

[@timbirdie8180]

​@@jamesmerkel1932ur not wrong that we need. Real solutions that involve spending many I expected u to say change the culture when n reality it's not culture it's not having a home. And yeah gavien newson help the homeless pledge is a money laundering shceme cuz it's Cheap to build cheap homes for free to people. That said the guy killed him if he knew what he was doing...and he was a soldier

[@Melia-26]

I feel bad for you americans. Your politicians don‘t act in your interest. The justice system apparently is also failing. Now you feel satisfied and celebrate a murderer, because he was the only one who did something about the injustice (not really, this wont change anything). What a pitiable society, but I wish you the best.

[@FaeQueenCory]

You realize it's because of the colonizers from Europe who are responsible for all of this injustice? Maybe shouldn't be on such a fragile high horse.

[@Melia-26]

@@FaeQueenCory Didn‘t know there are still european colonizers in your government lol

[@Kisai_Yuki]

You have to ask, why it's even legal for a healthcare insurance company to make a profit. They should be putting ALL that money into providing health care, and the CEO should be making the same salary as the doctors.

[@ankhpom9296]

What UHC is doing is a scam.

[@charlieavelino1954]

Again all insurance are a scam, you pay your bills, but when time you need to then wait😮 sorry denied

[@IceBlueLugia]

Because these are private companies and are protected by the government. Health insurance CEOs making doctor salaries is only really possible in a country where private insurance is a niche alternative rather than the only option

[@dustin4544]

Simple one word answer: Yes Us poors are so sick of this shit

[@DarranSMITH-q6b]

Thats what the 2nd amendment is for according to MAGA lunatics. Take them at their word.

[@crashnova7601]

We are sick and tired of being sick and tired - Fannie Lou Hamer

[@ohiasdxfcghbljokasdjhnfvaw4ehr]

why cant there just be a political party called poor people

[@HalfwayJac]

Yes.

[@hallucinoJEN1978]

@@ohiasdxfcghbljokasdjhnfvaw4ehr There is such a party...it's the Green party which advocates for the working class, but the 2 powers don't want workers to gain power, because it goes against their interest with big money being donated to the 2 parties to keep the system running as is. Voting for both the Republican and Democratic party is voting for the Establishment. When will people wake up?

[@Kimmaline]

I used to run a significant portion of a large homeless assistance org in the SF Bay Area. I have always been pretty leftist, even before I was exposed to the writings and ideas that now form my political stance and have underpinned my career, I remember being *horrified* by things that the people around me cheered (Guiliani's tanks spring lightly to mind, I think I was in middle school at the time?) But I cannot even remotely express the way in which working face to face with hundreds of unhoused people in the beginning of my 20s set the stage for an entire career in social justice, and utterly reshaped how I saw the role of systemic injustice on people on the street, and later in pretty much every issue. First, let me say that I agree with Leeja entirely about feeling unsafe and how much it sucks. I am now disabled, I have a C3-5 incomplete spinal cord injury and am wheelchair dependent outside of my house. I am also a recent survivor of long-term domestic abuse, something not at all rare in the disability and chronic illness community. The fact that crime has always been correlated with poverty does not mean I want to give up my safety and freedom to move through the world without fear of assault--something I already have high anxiety about because of my marriage. With that said, I wish I could take the Ben Shaboingo's of the world and put them through a week at my old job. While some people passed through or only showed up occasionally, there was a core group who visited our free dining room every day, and I got to know some of them and their stories really well. So many Americans have this narrative around "the homeless" as though they are a monolith and not only is it inaccurate, it's reductive. I had MULTIPLE clients who had an assessed intellectual age of 10yrs old or less--but without family to help them navigate the system, they ended up sleeping under overpasses. Also, how do you apply for benefits without an address? What if you can't read? (Unrelated to that job, I had friends who graduated Oakland High who couldn't read this very comment.) How do you apply for a job when you haven't had a real shower in months? I saw multiple people with raging cancers which were going untreated because they couldn't get care. I had one woman who had trouble getting work due to a facial disfigurement her husband had left her with. This is the very definition of injustice, particularly in a nation as wealthy as the U.S. These are humans, man--and I think that is ultimately the most difficult barrier to leap in truly changing things. So many Americans see those in need as a nebulous idea, not *people*. But they are people, and none of them thought they would end up where they did any more than anyone reading this does right now. They all have childhood memories and favorite popsicles and tell funny jokes....and not one single one of them was where they were out of laziness. Being unhoused is beyond brutal--no one would CHOOSE it over a job and an apartment with a cat waiting for them when they get home. Part of me feels like if more people had the experience I did of truly getting to see the situation out there, we could affect more systemic change--but let's be real. If the ruling class had any empathy to begin with, it wouldn't have taken me 4½yrs and almost losing my life to get out of my marriage when it got really bad, right? Anyway, I'll roll off the comments soapbox (thanks for having a ramp!)....the dehumanization of people in need is something that sits permanently in a very tender spot in my heart. I had clients 20yrs ago that I still think of all the time; I wonder if they are alive or not, if they suffered, if they knew that they mattered to me....the powerlessness in the face of such a huge issue was genuinely difficult on my mental health. I won't stop doing everything I can--even if that is just annoyingly hopping on every comments soapbox I can and pointing out that each and every one of these people were loved and valued by someone, and deserved far far better than we ever gave them.

[@jlorde8838]

I don't know anyone that sees the homeless has less human.

[@DanielCarrillo-qh9li]

Keep on commenting and saying what you are saying it matters

[@leobigelow7021]

I know that world, and most people who run homeless assistance programs are political hustlers and horrible grifters.

[@jlorde8838]

@DanielCarrillo-qh9li the race crap against white people is nuts, what people do these freaks know that think like that?

[@manuelwatts1864]

Thankyou so very much for sharing what you have spoken of. Your words have given peace and serenity to a heart much filled with anger, pain and ashes ... 🥀

[@omarelchapparito23]

Just so yall know, ben shapiro was celebrating the subway guy getting away with murder, but was clutching his pearls over people’s reactions of the murder of the ceo

[@Shakes_Bear]

I am a homeless trans woman of minneapolis. finally indoors and out of my car. Things are rough. My friends were attacked at the light rail, we held a rally. A friend was m*rdered at the light rail. Our vigil was threatened to a point of cancellation, we fought to prohibit the "trans/gay panic" defense. The state is investigating a human rights abuse I suffered an hour outside the city. I love minneapolis, no place I'd rather be. I just wish this standard of safety didn't feel genuinely better than so much. Thanks for mentioning us.

[@thelemon5069]

Good luck out there sibling

[@violetstarsign]

I am reminded of a quote, from a particular movie, about a popular and well-known vigilante hero, who is feared and scorned by the city he serves. Something about him being the hero we deserve, but not the hero we need. We need a nonviolent solution. But society has collectively rendered all nonviolent means of action impossible or ineffective, and so we *deserve* vigilante justice, because it is the only option left.

[@rorykincannon1166]

Exactly. The elites have removed all social, political and economic means of change. What do they think is going to happen now?

[@Xershade]

What Penny did was fine, right up until the threat was subdued and he kept doing it anyways. Self defense is doing the absolute minimum to subdue or escape a threat, it's not carte blanche to kill someone who was a threat. All Penny had to do was stop once Neely was no longer a threat, as the people around him told him to do. How the jury didn't think this was murder is beyond my comprehension. Self defense stopped as soon as Neely stopped. Also we could get into all the other things that could have been doing to keep him restrained after taking him down besides using a choke hold, but that's a whole other can of worms.

[@TheRatsintheWalls]

​@@sumfatdude4824 You have no idea how or how often the person you're replying to voted.

[@TheRatsintheWalls]

@@sumfatdude4824 Do you think randomly lashing out against specific yous in a context that makes those yous likely left wing, with a generalized you that probably doesn't apply is helping? I'm sure it feels cathartic, though.

[@Jessewren1968]

Indeed, good luck to anyone who wants to go up against a company that had over $20 billion in profits last year. People who cannot get justice through the courts will use other means.

[@davea6314]

We Americans should already have universal healthcare like they do in Denmark. That's why I volunteered on the Bernie for President campaign in the primaries.

[@ronrolfsen3977]

Not just Denmark. US is the only industrialized country who does not have it. Even many developing countries have it...hell even North Korea apparently has a decent universal healthcare system.

[@davea6314]

​@@ronrolfsen3977I already knew that. I was just using Denmark as an example to abbreviate my comment.

[@thesenate1844]

The DNC railroaded him hard, and have shown they would rather invite Dick Cheney into their ranks than move left on this.

[@Sayid-al-Furat]

@@ronrolfsen3977 Doubt they have a decent one for their forced laborers.

[@tony_5156]

@@thesenate1844good ol left aye? Showing us they have OUR best interests. Funny right?

[@sirhenrymorgan1187]

Daniel Penny's a Marine, specifically trained to know when a blood choke goes on long enough to kill somebody. He knew exactly what he was doing and deliberately chose not to stop. That's murder in my book, and he shouldn't have been acquitted. That case and the CEO case are two complete different things. One was the murder of the mentally ill, the other was the assassination of a CEO who caused more deaths than that mental guy could've ever hoped to across his entire life. Not the same. Edit: to those of you defending Penny, please note that several bystanders pleaded with Penny to stop, one of them even outright calling out "you're gonna kill him now!" The video shows Penny keeping Neely in the chokehold a full minute after the latter had already gone limp. Police confirm that Neely's pulse was faint when they got to the scene, and Neely was soon after pronounced dead-on-arrival at the hospital. The medical examiner confirms that Neely died due to the pressure exerted on his neck by Penny, a trained Marine who understood precisely what he was doing. Penny killed that man, and he shouldn't have been acquitted.

[@NestSinister]

Jordan Neely was still alive after he choked him.

[@twistedyogert]

Mr. Penny did murder Mr. Neely. I won't deny that. Chokeholds are also legally considered lethal force. Does threatening people constitute the use of lethal force?

[@Nos2113]

@@sirhenrymorgan1187 If you watch the video, he actually does release the choke almost immediately after Neely loses consciousness. I don't know why it's being reported that Penny held a blood choke for 6 minutes when Neely was clearly conscious in the video for most of the duration of the hold and right after Neely loses consciousness Penny releases the choke.

[@tony_5156]

Daniel petty did nothing wrong. Everyone is crying simply because the crazy guy who threatened to murder a random lady was black, it’s always because he’s of a certain race. Every time. Double standards.

[@tony_5156]

White liberal logic, a black man can never never do wrong. Especially when he is a clear danger to the public.

[@dlam2864]

The extent which someone can practice self-defense is such a strange phrase if someone’s threatening me, I can defend myself.

[@xindaxoxou7431]

You mean the strangler. He threatened no one and attacked no one yet the strangler murderer mr Neely.

[@shieh.4743]

In a country with no justice, then yes. This is what justice looks like.

[@MrJwhdz1]

The way I cackled when out of nowhere you said, "Luigi Mangione can get it," with your full chest!!

[@MrERLoner]

Leeja aint too bad to look at either

[@kaijuslayer3334]

@@MrERLonerehhhhhh, for their respective gender. I think Luigi is for in lack of a better term, on a higher “tier” then her. At least in my eyes😭

[@ho-hyongyoo3251]

If you enact violence on weak and innocent that is not justice. That is tantrum. If you enact violence on the powerful now we are talking

[@leobigelow7021]

And who decides which is which, now that we've dispensed with things like courts? Oh, right. You.

[@somkeshav4143]

@@leobigelow7021because our courts surely keep the powerful in check and prosecute them in a court of law, right? RIGHT?

[@GullibleTarget]

​@@somkeshav4143omg....so you just shoot people?

[@comyuse9103]

@@leobigelow7021 you understand courts are just people, yeah? institutions aren't real, grow up.

[@mjc0961]

@leobigelow7021 Perhaps if we hadn't watch the courts fail us all year, we wouldn't have felt the need to discard them. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@triofan9]

The right celebrates Daniel Penny but gets upset when people defend Luigi 😂

[@Sayid-al-Furat]

Luigi is a right-winger lol.

[@DarranSMITH-q6b]

They are hypocrites. BOTH parties are on the right. There is no left in the two main parties.

[@TheRatsintheWalls]

​@@Sayid-al-Furat And?

[@Sneakerhead13-sy5hz]

I wonder why people with common sense celebrate a veteran who protected people around him from a deranged and threatening individual but get upset when leftists defend a murderer of an entrepreneur and a father of two🤔

[@Sayid-al-Furat]

@@TheRatsintheWalls The right isn't doing what this person accuses them of because not only is the right also celebrating, but Luigi was a part of the right.

[@GoobiBean]

Don't show empathy to those without it, because they count on abusing that kindness

[@DevonWhyte-oh5dr]

Do people realize the way we got our rights was by fighting?

[@robertdavidtingstrom118]

God forbid you fix the underlying problem, the healthcare system. Better security for millionaires and billionaires is the answer?! America is doomed.

[@froggodoggo79]

Yes. Those who make peaceful change impossible make violent revolution inevitable.

[@The-future-is-in-the-past]

And the counter-revolution even stronger. It is great that we can have this battle, is it not?

[@xindaxoxou7431]

@@The-future-is-in-the-past more of the good guys than the bad guys like corporations.

[@bobbyblue766]

When Republicans are taking bribes from the insurance companies to stop health care reform, and you see your friends dying, way in debt, or ill because of insurance rejection, what are you supposed to do? Write a firm but cordial letter?

[@HasnaaAlaa]

I wish it was only republicans, Dems take the same bribes, there's no "pushing corrupt politicians to the left" we have to replace them with candidates that campaign on Medicare for all

[@ckyung1312]

Unfortunately, we really only have one party system because democrats are also taking money from these parasites. It’s disturbing and disgusting.

[@comyuse9103]

no, that is _much_ too disruptive for liberals! we need to very politely express only the mildest of disappointment on an unpopular social media platform with less than 100 viewers.

[@chriszhang1660]

Both parties take bribes from those companies

[@adamlowe8822]

The irony

[@Windthroughcedars]

I have been told that I have an over developed sense of empathy. I cannot watch stories about true crime because I always feel sorry for the victim. No matter what happened. The victim was a human who loved and was loved. But feel for not just the victim but their families, for the murders family, and often for murder if they aren’t a complete sadist. However, I have to admit that the United healthcare CEO was the first time that I heard about a crime and my initial gut reaction was “that makes sense”. I feel bad about that. But not that bad.

[@Bitcoin1y]

Market capitalization of UnitedHealth (UNH) Market cap: $474.64 Billion USD As of December 2024 UnitedHealth has a market cap of $474.64 Billion USD. This makes UnitedHealth the world's 21th most valuable company by market cap according to our data. The market capitalization, commonly called market cap, is the total market value of a publicly traded company's outstanding shares and is commonly used to measure how much a company is worth.

[@Thought_Criminal_666]

George Orwell, Animal Farm. "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal."

[@tonidimitrova6078]

Vigilante justice might not be the solution but at least poor Luigi stirred the pot and opened the discussion on a practice everyone pretended didn't exist

[@elseby]

Who caused more pain, suffering, and death: Jordan Neely or CEO Brian Thompson?

[@virginia3937]

Good luck America. I hope you get universal health care as a result of this.

[@tiffanywatson8316]

We won't, smh.

[@donaldrichie3203]

PA governor Josh Shapiro says, "Violence can never be used to address political differences." His state was home of the Continental Congress (based in Philadelphia) which used violence to address political differences with the British from 1775-1783. This led to the creation of our country, the United States of America.

[@malcolmbliss777]

Yep. Idiots telling us what idiots are, whilst claiming to be elites.

[@Eu-mj6im]

I’d love to see you make a video on white poverty, rural poverty, and the broken way the gov calculates OPM which artificially reports a smaller share of poverty in this country. It would be interesting to dictate these findings in the scope of building class solidarity over racial or political division. Love your videos, as always!

[@Eu-mj6im]

For anyone interested in self-educating, the following books are a helpful start: White Trash by Nancy Isenberg Bone of the Bone by Sarah Smarsh White Poverty by William J. Barber

[@Sonichero151]

When Justice fails, it is Vengeance that shall prevail.

[@Colorcrayons]

"To defend: this is the pact. But when life loses its meaning and is taken for naught, then the pact is to avenge!" ~ Some Weird Movie I have Never Seen

[@mystreteacher]

None of our elected officials really address the problems associated with a for-profit health care system. Thoughts and prayers.

[@lazarus8018]

The least of which being that the US Healthcare system is cartoonishly evil. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGPWdatmjsR8Y80si=hHONydzD1Xiwkyeh

[@KarenHawes]

The US has never made big changes for Americans, via Congressional hearings. Big changes nearly always began, with the loss of life.

[@bobbyblue766]

we could have voted Harris in, who had a plan to create universal health care, but nooooooo...

[@somkeshav4143]

@@bobbyblue766no she didn’t have a plan for universal healthcare, what are you talking about? She wanted to keep Bidens policies and we already know what he was like for the last 4 years

[@iaminevitable_]

@@bobbyblue766 Both political parties do nothing!

[@ErutaniaRose]

Jordan deserved better. He needed help, and while the others felt unsafe, that is not a reason to physically do such an act. Anyone who has worked in mental wards and actually understands it, knows during a meltdown any physical restriction has to be very specific and cautious, without lethal threat. And there are other methods to try before resorting to it. This strikes me as very similar to cops in schools killing autistic kids (especially if black) because they had a meltdown or broke a rule and were pinned down for it instead of given ANY support on calming down with known and proven methods of mental health support.

[@tetsubo57]

It's legal to defend yourself from an act of violence. It's legal to defend another person from an act of violence. One hundred and eighty-four people die each day in the US from lack of healthcare. Those are acts of violence. Insurance companies deny people *with* healthcare coverage every day, some of which lead to suffering and death. Those are acts of violence. Maybe we should remind insurance companies about this.

[@elizabethhosaka1069]

I don’t think some people remember what it was like before the ACA. I recall one woman’s story in the late 90s where she was denied cervical cancer treatment because of the “preexisting condition” of a prior yeast infection. That’s what we’re up against

[@teletubbyfan8209]

no fr my vote was on whether or not i would live or die cuz i need that aca

[@ランダムロボット]

When justice is broken, you make your own.

[@DarkBirgon]

The legal system no longer serves we the people. What choice do we really have but to take matters into our own hands?

[@befayedocrimes4751]

Precisely. They've opened Pandora's box by publicly electing a felon. We are out of roads and they are simply counting on us to no longer walk.

[@ankhpom9296]

@darkbirgon: Violence and revolution are the result when the oppressed has reached its breaking point.

[@kgmotte2363]

Billionaire CEOs are the Royalty of the Modern age... The French came up with a very elegant solution to their Royalty Problem... (In fact, Billionaires have more Wealth and power compared to the people below them relative to how much power actual Literal Kings had)

[@Moonyuwu]

This video was very well done and comprehensive and I agree with you for the most part, however I do have a problem with what you said about Josh Shapiro signing “literal bombs to kill people in cold blood in an attempt to resolve policy differences and express an ideological viewpoint” (15:27) I would like to point out that the bombs in question were sent to Ukraine, which is actively fighting a defensive war against Russia after Russia illegally invaded its sovereign territory. Ukraine is using those bombs to defend itself from its attacker, not to “kill people in cold blood” as you suggested. Maybe you didn’t know that the bombs were being sent to Ukraine and perhaps thought they might be being sent to Israel instead, at which point I would completely understand. It’s an easy mistake to make. I’m not trying to accuse you of anything or come off as aggressive, I just wanted to point it out. I enjoyed the video and found it pretty enlightening. This comment will probably be buried lmao

[@sz7646]

To answer the question in the title: sometimes, but it doesn't have to be. The establishment refused to help the vulnerable and stop the evil insurance company. They should see it coming. Daniel Penny isn't a hero. There is no justice chocking a homeless guy in crisis to death even in the given context

[@Xershade]

Yeah see self defense was a defense, right up until the person he was choking out stopped being a threat. You can't defend yourself from a non-existent threat. That's what the jury clearly didn't comprehend. What he initially did he might have had a justification for, what he did after the threat was subdued and people were telling him to stop is not. Meh, always the OJ route for the family.

[@WhiteRaven696]

Yes. We should absolutely start taking vigilante justice into our own hands. I mean, just look at where the government has led us. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@tylerharris4392]

exactly

[@Sayid-al-Furat]

No, we shouldn't. It will do nothing. Revolutions destroy systems, not vigilante justice.

[@asailorandhisdogslyknight5391]

Corrected Justice,

[@ryanstatt9910]

​@@sumfatdude4824since our government is about to abandon everyone but the super rich white males, maybe think about what you say BEFORE you post it

[@TheEighthWonder91]

@@sumfatdude4824 we want a government, op just mean that this KIND of government is dog water booty noodle soup. we need a better government but until then we def need vigilante justice 💯🗣‼

[@Duskets]

Probably not but our system has made it abundantly clear that voting alone isn’t going to cut it.

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

Voting gets us Trump. Peaceful Protest gets us maced and arrested. Political activism gets us put on a list.

[@ThereBeDargons]

The Penny case really just hinges on whether or not he went beyond the bounds self defense/defense of others in how long he restrained Neely. Race has nothing to do with the case itself beyond what prosecutors, defense, the judge, and the jury bring to the courtroom.

[@FaeQueenCory]

100% correct. This is why he got off and why he's been lionized as a symbol of ⬜ supremacy. They view is victim as inherently inferior and acceptable to murder. Because of both their skin colors.

[@martinrhoads6168]

Mangione, should be pardoned. Presidents pardon criminal friends and relatives all the time. Equal justice for all I say!

[@steveholmes11]

The July 6th Cop Killers got their pardons.

[@myfriendscallmekat]

what freaks me out is that neely hadn’t even touched anyone. scary man aside, he was murdered for threats. seeing people call penny a hero is extremely disturbing. and people told him to let go!!!!!!!!

[@Nos2113]

@@myfriendscallmekat Who told him to let go? I didn't hear anyone in the video say any such thing. Most of the bystanders seemed to think Penny was in the right.

[@anubizz3]

"three unprovoked assaults on women in the subway" yeah you must love having that, and btw the other person that restrain neely is Black. you not angry with them?

[@Nobody-kp5nc]

So we all gotta wait for the crazy drug addict to hurt someone before we can act? Do you volunteer to be the person being hurt first or you want someone else to take that place for you?

[@somkeshav4143]

@@Nos2113they didn’t mind he was being restrained, but I highly doubt they wanted him dead

[@somkeshav4143]

@@Nobody-kp5ncI think you can restrain someone without killing them yet Perry took it too far and murdered someone and he gets acquitted, that doesn’t make any sense Also Neely had a mental episode, it’s not something he could have controlled even if he wanted to, he was mentally ill and needed help, not death. Edit: You can kill someone in “self-defense” unless they attacked you first, just saying.

[@octobrainopus7575]

Damn. Leeja COOKING on this one, so well spoken, bravo!

[@Nos2113]

@@octobrainopus7575 A little off with the details surrounding the Penny case, though

[@TheEighthWonder91]

REALLLL

[@ThereBeDargons]

Yeah, she's following the racial narrative a bit too tightly. While race certainly played a role, as it often does, it doesn't strike me as significant to the proceedings as the media and the public would have you believe. Daniel Penny killed someone, albeit perhaps not intentionally, so he should probably have caught a charge like so many before him. It's really quite easy to turn a simple fight into a manslaughter charge.

[@Eternal_Placidity]

Deny. Defend. Depose.

[@arthurgabantmacquart7231]

Let me get this said quick: punching up Is A-OK Punching down is a no-no

[@Goatcha_M]

When I learned a certain chokehold in Karate one of the warnings they taught us was how it turns lethal 20-40 seconds after the subject loses consciousness, and they lose consciousness fast. You're not supposed to hold on for 6 minutes.

[@morghana3775]

A mass murderer was unalived... 🤷

[@FishareFriendsNotFood972]

Vigilante justice is never a solution to a broken system, merely a symptom. It's the canary in the mine.

[@DelightfulStars-mq8dx]

Justice doesn't apply to millionaire s.when no option s are left this is what happens

[@MrMelmott]

Lynching was common in the US right upto and including 1960s .

[@DarkPesco]

Apparently you stopped paying attention during your hippie years. Lynching is common still TODAY!

[@based-p2b]

"Is Vigilante Justice The Answer To America's Problems?" Yes. What the CEO did should not be tolerated and should be dealt with in the cruelest ways imaginable.

[@jefferylongbrake7278]

Free Luigi!!!

[@sovereignman7107]

Doubt any UHC users going to petition for their hero 🤦

[@Idolikethis]

This is exactly where it's at. This manufactured fear of the houselss, hungry and starving

[@LisaFenton-h7f]

As an activist and independent journalist, I've been supportive of homeless people for almost 30 years. Something has shifted though in recent years: as a low-income 60-something year old woman, I've been THREATENED many times when I didn't immediatly give money! One homeless man SPIT IN MY FACE when I said "It's the end of the month. I'm sorry." Another struck my head & then shoved me to the ground. In ALL these incidents the violence (or threat of it by YELLING at me) included me being called "An OLD WH*TE BI*CH" I still care about homeless people...but, there are REAL reasons that people can be AFRAID of them.

[@halohybrid5496]

The lesson I personal feel is that as long as you don’t mess with greedy corporations and pray on those that don’t have a voice & platform you should be fine. If you want to attack big corporations, the majority has to take action and not the one sent in as a sacrifice for the responsibility.

[@comyuse9103]

yes. its not the _only_ answer, but it works perfectly fine when the more educated part of the populace engages in it. especially since it is built into the constitution.

[@vexywexypoo]

Governments and businesses need to be reminded that they serve us, not the other way around.

[@heatherryan9820]

The most ironic part is that about half-way through this video, popped up an ad for the FBI where someone said, "and at the end of the day, we really are just everyday people". I just though that was hilarious.

[@befayedocrimes4751]

Everyday people who casually dropped all of Trump's indictments into a shredder. Everyday people make mistakes after all! Everyday people accidentally elect massive threats to national security and their own populace.

[@MusicFromNowhere]

Decades of nothing but government-created rackets and *NO* action has resulted in anger on both sides. Finally, something that gives unity. We need single-payer health care, period. NO more private insurance, period.

[@bobbyblue766]

one side is mad because they want to take over the country, the other is mad because the other side wants to destroy democracy. Pay attention.

[@TheSlickmicks]

UHC should be an acronym for Universal Healthcare.

[@bryantaylor9115]

Very interesting that Penny was acquited of the negligence charge. Thanks for the video!

[@MrChainsawAardvark]

I don't want violence to be the answer, but what is the point of making a reasonable argument with those who do not listen to reason? It is blindingly obvious that dead people do not pay insurance premiums, do not book follow-up appointments, and do not buy additional drugs. Keeping your customers alive tends to be a prerequisite for repeat business. So when investors won't invest and instead take a money now approach - even if it sacrifices their ability to continue to profit and kills people, there is a line crossed. Even by their own logic of profit over people, they are not making sense. There is also a big difference between protesting a singular business or a government. A government can't get up and relocate and no law they pass matters if there is no one to carry it out. Large corporations are far more flexible in that regard.

[@WhiteRaven696]

12:15 not ever prepper is right-leaning. I’m as far left as you can get, and I’ve been stockpiling supplies since COVID.

[@Nos2113]

@@WhiteRaven696 Same. Can't provide for others if I can't provide for myself.

[@Colorcrayons]

As a leftist myself who has a background in such stuff too, I agree. But let's not mince words here. You know damn well, as I do, that the trope fits right leaning looney bins in a stereotypical way that even they dont even try to fight.

[@B1gLupu]

Stockpiling some key supplies is just common sense informed by recent experiences. The cost of having few gallons of water and few weeks canned food is pretty low. When you go beyond supplies with generators and survival gear, then one can be accurately called a prepper.

[@Rugg-qk4pl]

Prepping is also more than stockpiling food and gas. It can be a thing that brings communities together, nobody survives alone

[@WhiteRaven696]

@ Only reason I don’t have any of that is because I’m broke as shit. Otherwise I’d have a rainwater collector, solar panels and all the other self-sustaining, live off the grid stuff. Still not a conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

[@CrystalArtest]

Related note: we should work to strengthen and expand unions. If I remember correctly, unions were a lot more violent in how they protected the worker’s rights. Destroying the boss’s car. Directly comforting the boss. We’re are more working class and poor people in America than the rich. We literally outnumber them and should keep reminding them of that

[@Cowface]

This was my initial thought, vigilante justice is perfectly compatible with fascism

[@altosack]

It is if it’s condoned when done by some groups but not others.

[@cl8804]

jew love to see it

[@arthurg.calixto3338]

@@cl8804 H3 Podcast, Destiny.....

[@kurtmill9080]

Justice delayed is justice denied. Time for class solidarity, not fearful complacency or infighting. Class. Solidarity.

[@studuerson2548]

Vigilante justice enters when justice departs. It is the lowest tier of public justice. The outcome of the vigilante is never the question.

[@leobigelow7021]

You have no idea what justice even is.

[@DimnobiEleh]

What happened to innocent until proven guilty? I think this whole thing is intriguing, but everyone on twitter is really jumping the gun on Luigi's case.

[@wintermyst0]

Interesting even those proven guilty are not punished. They are elected president. Unless, they are not the rich class

[@artypyrec4186]

"Is vigilante justice the answer" feels like it, mos of the time. "Eat the rich" but all media says "its yucky".

[@JJ-qo7th]

Probably not, but I don't blame anyone for trying it in the current environment. It's the same as with rioting: It's the rhyme of the unheard.

[@pamh2703]

Let us not forget Kyle Rittenhouse who crossed state lines with a weapon and was dropped off by him mom for his mission of a night of vigilantism. MAGA elevated him to Rock Star status, raising millions to pay his defense fees (and probably leave him wealthy), showcasing him at multiple events where he strutted onstage with light shows and celebratory music, and then promised him a congressional internship. I don’t know if he got that position out of the spotlight but his momentary fame surely messed with an already twisted mind. That level of public folk hero worship was hideous but completely normalized.

[@NestSinister]

He wasn't dropped by his mom and didn't cross state lines with his gun.

[@LazGato]

Simple answer YES. History proves that again and again. You know who likes to say that violence isn't the answer? The people on top, how convenient 🤔