Is Walter Even Fun?

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@smoczy5828 Ай бұрын

Walter being turned into a mobile turret that holds F is especially bizzarre since he's the charachter who's braveness in combat is represented with no sanity loss from auras. The whole risk-reward part of his kit is a joke if they just want him to be a ranged character that doesn't get hit because he can ride around and slow everything down. Walter always felt like a mixup of random perks anyways...

@MikhailNijegorodsky Ай бұрын

To be honest, you will not get icker rounds in the non-endgame, so most of the time, he doesn't changed that much

@smoczy5828 Ай бұрын

@MikhailNijegorodsky That's really not the point I think Walter needs an entire rework. His character is just a couple unrelated perks thrown in together that don't really play into eachother. The skilltree fixes none of that while simultaenously disregarding all of his perks and focusing most of it on Walter being ranged... which as you can tell is boring bcs none of the bosses in DST were designed with ranged combat in mind.

@MikhailNijegorodsky Ай бұрын

@@smoczy5828 well, there is one boss who is designed by it, it's a Crystal Deerclops. But yeah, I get your point

@caoinhnamkhanh2795 Ай бұрын

Yea, they made the slingshot not a tool or a side debuff but just... made it shadow prison 2 and have better dps

@caoinhnamkhanh2795 Ай бұрын

@@MikhailNijegorodskynot rlly, honey rounds still exist

@mr1spamification Ай бұрын

this is the trouble with melee-based or close-range based opponents in games. They are only fun to fight using ranged weapons in massive hordes, or fun to fight with your own melee/close-range weaponry. A single melee boss against a ranged player is very unfun gameplay. The way to do fun ranged combat correctly is bullet-hell, where you are balancing both dodging ranged attacks and delivering your own rapidly enough that the fight doesn't go longer than you have the health/healing to spare. Except, DST doesn't really have bosses like this. All its enemy ranged attacks are mostly intended to be dealt with by a melee class, so introducing a legitimate ranged class to enemies all designed with melee combat in mind of course will end up very unfun. This is definitely one of Klei's bigger Ls for DST design. A much smarter move would have been to make Walter's slingshot EXCLUSIVELY a utility that can slow, stun, freeze, set ablaze, or draw aggro, but not do any actual damage, meaning his gameplay loop becomes using the right pebbles in the right situations to compliment melee combat in a unique way, not replace it outright.

@lardeeclips9520 Ай бұрын

This is so spot on, it's like I'm reading my own thoughts. The only thing I'd adjust is making the slingshot EXCLUSIVELY utility. I'd say it should be PRIMARILY utility, but if people do want to use it as a boring, but safe damage option they should still be able to.

@CatCatuna Ай бұрын

say shadow prison and society doesn't bat an eye... say walter slow stacking and everyone suddenly loses their mind...

@ShadowAraun Ай бұрын

The difference is up until post shadow weaver maxwell has to be careful with prison plus duelists lest you end dealing with 2 terror beaks and a boss. His duelists also have some bad matchups until you can infinite prison, namely nightmare werepig and dragonfly. Dragonfly is especially dangerous as if you have duelists up when she enrages you need to lock her in prison until they all die before you can safely pan flute.

@CatCatuna Ай бұрын

@@ShadowAraun the video showcases walter with shadow rift gear why would the bone helm not be brought into consideration? this video looks like lardee is putting in more inputs than if he was on a character like maxwell or wurt lol

@diehleeo1449 Ай бұрын

the difference is shadow prison greatly saves you time while doing this (the video) takes even longer than doing it traditionally and doesn't feel good or rewarding at all. It's just as brainless as spamming prisons but doesn't give you any reason to feel good about it, just sit there doing the same input for a day. It interacts with the DST enemy design in the worst way possible

@ameslarii Ай бұрын

I agree 100%

@caoinhnamkhanh2795 Ай бұрын

Ameslarii sighted

@Stresslvls99 Ай бұрын

They should've focosed on more boyscout survival exploring skills I think.

@watervssodies Ай бұрын

I feel like this is on par with saying “Is Willow even fun?” And just sitting still while you replace bernies as they die. Nobody actually fighting dragonfly would use just the slingshot. If you are able to get the thulecite and icker rounds in the first place you surely know what kiting is at that point and have the skill to fight dragonfly normally. Walter’s slingshot is a RANGED weapon. It SHOULD do less than a melee weapon, thats the drawback of being able to attack from 3 turf tiles away. Not a single boss in this game was designed to be fought with ranged weapons, they were designed around melee weapons. And even as Walter I believe thats how you should fight. Ideally Walter would have his skills evenly split between Woby, the slingshot, and boy scout perks. But people feel like the slingshot needs to be your main dps for some reason.

@su1400 Ай бұрын

I got tired while watching

@douglasmacedo9131 Ай бұрын

Me too hahaha

@MikhailNijegorodsky Ай бұрын

I would get tired of watching every solo dragonfly fight cause it takes too much time, except if she's defeated in less than a 2 mins

@caoinhnamkhanh2795 Ай бұрын

@@MikhailNijegorodsky thing is theres nothing you can do to make walter combat fun or exciting. Its so low risk

@adna6958 Ай бұрын

@MikhailNijegorodsky you dont have patience. And the reward thta walter has is that u dont need a weapon armor or healing. Just a slingshot and amo. Just like klei intented walter is the fearless and good with his slingshot

@randomchatter965 Ай бұрын

@caoinhnamkhanh2795 nah, we can, just add some activable woby skills that Walter has to constantly use to increase his dps or smth like that. For example, a bark that scare creatures and bosses and creatures that don't get scared overall take more damage like in pokemon. A dash that deals damage, a jump like toadstool phase 3. I think those things would greatly increase his fun and dps.

@mrgiggio3031 Ай бұрын

Couldnt make till the end honestly it really is hard to watch, imagine playing but then It probably has to do with the match ups I guess? Heavy HP bosses will have that effect with him cuz it extends it even more due the lack of DPS but its pretty much a stable fight once u dont mess up so it will have some players willing to do it I guess

@clovissr5464 Ай бұрын

really, perhaps the only good part about him is this slow, since while other characters can do 400+ damage in less than 1 second, even though he is the 'only character that attacks from afar' PS: remembering that this configuration is late game...

@doritos4956 Ай бұрын

Shadow prison two, electric boogaloo Though, I do suppose that it's fine-ish to bully dragonfly here since it requires ichor. But there definitely should be a limit. And idk if this crosses it (we don't talk about waxwell)

@MrBrj Ай бұрын

walmart wickerbottom

@porcinihead9102 Ай бұрын

I mean, this is what people wanted out of Walter

@silver777ever Ай бұрын

When the word "Raid Boss" make sense

@real_kel Ай бұрын

To me the slingshot works better as a utility weapon that you use in certain circumstances to make fights easier, and not as a primary damage source, like weather pain and ice staff This vid feels like its saying “is wendy even fun?” And then using abigail to beat dragonfly while wendy just sits there. Theyve given the slingshot more utility and honestly as a walter main i love it

@vondoandantin6573 Ай бұрын

In case anyone wanted to know what 'kiting' actually looks like.

@Jarmen__Kell Ай бұрын

Balanced. With the sheer amount of rare special ammo it took to kill the Dfly.

@adna6958 Ай бұрын

He is. Because his playstyle is very unique compared to many charcaters in the game. Ranged combat being effective is a very rare and having a character that can specialized in that department. makes objectively better. Having the abitity to outrange oponents is better since u dont need armor, healing or weapons since you only need amo to do anything. I think klei is doing a good job with the walter and the only issue i have is that his slingshot is still slow sometimes and i want them to make it faster but with a shorter range. To make it more easy to deal damage but at a cost of some range. Since dps is still worse than darksword dps

@Bumskull Ай бұрын

Possible future rift Dragonfly should have her breathe fire like the possessed varg and her slam attack summons lavae from all the lava pools all at one like in the dst trailer

@wox4983 Ай бұрын

i think ALL ranged weapons needs to be reworked

@PolandDoge Ай бұрын

Sentry going up

@alleriawrunner5285 Ай бұрын

Honestly, I feel this adds a completely different and unique character who seems like a bit of a mixed bag of jelly beans still unfortuately. DST has no other character who focuses on ranged weapons as the MAIN focus of the character. They are still developing and changing these characters new skill trees, and honestly this has spiked Walter gameplay by 500% anyways. Idk about anybody else but I forgot he was even a character you could pick until this update came out. I think having more options for different play styles is a very valid option, esp it being a easier alternative in a game that is known to rock your world. I think a lot of long term players will not enjoy walter, but in contrast, ok and newbies players will find it much more enjoyable to cheese some of these bosses with ranged alternatives.

@supremegamingepic Ай бұрын

NO! HES NOT!

@launisch_ Ай бұрын

he's definitely supposed to be the "support" character of the list and shouldn't be played alone but even then other "support" characters (wormwood, warly, wicker) have insane damage potential compared to this turret

@caoinhnamkhanh2795 Ай бұрын

Why they made icker rounds just shadow prison jr. is beyond me. Then to give him more than enough range to outrange all bosses too (except twins but no one likes the shield atp)

@littlesunshine270 Ай бұрын

Just did this fight on day 25 with big Woby and Explosive rounds, so no Void grip and Icky rounds. It took me a little bit more than 01 in-game day to beat her (07 stacks of round, half a Thulecite body). It was excruciating, but I knew what I was getting into when I started playing Walter. Outside of bosses, he's still very dear to me. Unfun for everyone else though. Before the beta/skill tree, I melee with Walter like everyone else, things are fine as is. But with the new changes, I want to exclusively use the Sling on bosses, I guess I didn't want to have fun. I will kill Misery Toad with melee though, no way in hell I'm DPS-ing with worse Wes damage.

@calabresaxd Ай бұрын

this is sad

@arandomguywitharandomname4187 Ай бұрын

Icky rounds should be very nerfed tbh The max slow you should be able to apply is the honey one

@MikhailNijegorodsky Ай бұрын

Icky rounds is endgame gear, of course you would be able to easily defeat early game bosses

@caoinhnamkhanh2795 Ай бұрын

@@MikhailNijegorodsky icker rounds destroy any post rift boss as well, and unlessthey start making attacks that charge enemies at you like twins, icker rounds will be shadow prison 2. Toxic combat design

@adna6958 Ай бұрын

Leave it alone. The slow rounds are fine since they compliment the character playstyle unlike others... (wes)

@caoinhnamkhanh2795 Ай бұрын

@@adna6958 they compliment playstyle that shouldnt be in the game in the first place

@adna6958 Ай бұрын

@@caoinhnamkhanh2795 a different playstyle promotes diversity. Wolfgang is boring because makes killing things too easy, walter changes all his playstyle with his slingshot. And i am fine with ranged combat in a game as long is it not annoying to fight it or use it

@paxtonl1330 Ай бұрын

I don't see the point of this video, nobody's going to get that many materials and spend that much time for a boss as simple as Dragonfly, if you have to test with this many materials it'd be better to try a more complicated boss, or without spawning things in.

@littlesunshine270 Ай бұрын

Your comment gave me psychic damage. We perform tests by spawning in items so that we don't have to grind through everything. Why would I waste potentially hours of my time, my life to do 01 test fight and then dip out? And all of the items in the video are achievable in a normal playthrough as well, 12 stacks of round = 18 thulecite frag & nightmare fuel. I can get at least 50+ frag and infinite nightmare fuel in a single ruins run. "spend that much time for a boss as simple as Dragonfly" thanks to the TESTING done, you now know it takes that long. Did you know it before this video? No. That's the point of the video. And DFly is a complicated enough boss. See how many casual players can kill her reliably.

@paxtonl1330 Ай бұрын

@@littlesunshine270 What's the point of saying this represents Walter's gameplay when it's in a scenario that you'd have no reason whatsoever to recreate this in-game, and getting aggressive when anyone disagrees?

@littlesunshine270 Ай бұрын

@@paxtonl1330 If you consider my previous comment 'aggresive', maybe you're taking it the wrong way. And who are you to determine this is a scenario "you'd have no reason whatsoever to recreate", and to deem the video pointless? Are you familiar with the term "hypothesis"? I literally just finished a DFly flight in the same circumstances, but with worse items. So yeah, there's someone who'd engage with this scenario in-game. And if my choice is not representative of the DST community, then your assumption is also, not representative.

@alleriawrunner5285 Ай бұрын

@@littlesunshine270 You sound like the kind of person I'd hate join my public lobby brother. That was being toxic, even if you had valid points backing yourself. Learn to respect opinions, stfu, or keep being your "quirky" self out of discussions where grown ups talk about a stupid video game and the balancing behind it.

@questionmark9588 Ай бұрын

you are giving people brain damage, go back to klei forum yapping about wendy

@mettatonfanboy Ай бұрын

Yes Because exploits are fun

@AeyakS Ай бұрын

See, this is why Walter shouldn't have 16 slingshot skills. The gameplay is inherently too boring and safe for Klei to be putting this much emphasis on damage dealing playstyle. He's a survivalist, an explorer, and monster enthusiast. It's great as a weapon alternative for people that can't handle some aspects of combat, but it seems much better as a sidegrade, utility. He deserves more than the ridiculously narrow focus on slingshots and he should have perks that are more "boy scout". Atlatls, pavillion tents, or perhaps a journal that gives him an advantage versus monsters that he's researched and defeated before.

@AeyakS Ай бұрын

I'd say keep the slingshot perks but condense them, give him a survivalist section for actual camping stuff, revamp Woby perks to be more helpful and instantly effective, and possibly add some things for his monster obsession that makes him unafraid in the first place like journalling or animal husbandry or etc.