Is Wilt Chamberlain Overlooked in the GOAT Debate?

[@CHELTON77]

You left out all the rules that were changed to try and make Wilt less dominant that didn't stop him from dominating the NBA.

[@skap_attack]

You absolutely right.

[@bishop1]

No worries.. Chamberlain not only set a lot of records but also made big plays and had impressive stats during his career. He was responsible for changing the game of basketball. The NBA and NCAA actually changed the rules to make it harder for Wilt. Thanks to Chamberlain, the league changed five rules: Offensive Goaltending Defensive Goaltending Size of the lane/paint Free throw shooting Inbounding the Ball

[@creaghbell8179]

And the rules that were changed to help golden boy Jordan

[@skap_attack]

@@creaghbell8179 I mean hand checking didn’t get outlawed in the nba till, I believe after Jordan retired. Which made scoring much easier for this generation

[@bishop1]

@@creaghbell8179 The league changed the rules back in the day to slow wilt down, those rule changes did not help wilt at all they had to do something to slow him down because he was individually dominating the league and putting up absurd numbers, the Jordan rules implemented restrictions on defense to help players out the rules they implemented back in wilts time was to slow Wilt down you can't compare the two..

[@emanuelr.desousa6878]

If we talk only about individual status (strengh, dominance, range, reach, speed, vert, and so on), Wilt Chamberlain is the undisputed GOAT.

[@bricefleckenstein9666]

Bill Russell could outjump Wilt though - and several other centers INCLUDING Bill could argue the reach. As could a few of the taller forwards, like Kevin McHale.

[@ahankumar2936]

@@bricefleckenstein9666both wilt and russell were high jump athletes in university anyways

[@bricefleckenstein9666]

@@ahankumar2936 I'm aware of that. Bill had the 7'th highest jump in the WORLD during his Senior season at USF - which happened to tie Charles Dumas at the West Coast Relays for the winning jump. Charles later that year became the first male to clear 7' on a high jump, and won the Olympics in Australia. Which made Bill a WORLD CLASS jumper without question. Wilt tied for a win ONCE in a confrence-level college meet - not quite world-class, but quite good. Both also did track events, at a fairly high college level. Wilt appears to have been a bit faster and stronger, but Bill was the better jumper.

[@alexloeher8628]

...if you believe all the Paul Bunyan tales that came from word of mouth and no recorded stats

[@bricefleckenstein9666]

@@alexloeher8628 Both the best jump of Wilt AND the best jump of Bill are matters of record. Bill's is about 3" higher than Wilts, and both were in college at the time. Many of the OTHER stats talked about are also matters of public record - and others were witnessed by reliable witnessed, like Wilt being able to take 2-3 steps BEHIND the free throw line and dunk (Tex Winters was just the best-known and most influential witness of THAT feat, from Wilt's FRESHMAN year in college). Some were probably somewhat exaggerated, like some of Wilt's claims when he was promoting his biography.

[@fernandochapa1433]

People dismiss him by saying that it was a simpler time in terms of play. But from another perspective, he was like a modern athlete who time traveled to the 60s. There are very few players from the past who i would easily think they would dominate in the present, but wilt is on top of that list

[@samfisher2306]

Excellent and concisely stated.

[@derekwaters8683]

Imo there are no athletes in any sport today that are equal to Wilt

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

One thing that might have been worth mentioning in this video: blocks and steals were recorded as official stats a year after Wilt retired. If they had been included his entire career, Wilt and Bill Russell would easily be the top 2 in blocks. They are already top 2 in rebounds, by a sizable margin. Wilt would have more quadruple-doubles than all other players combined.

[@skap_attack]

You’re absolutely right. Definitely an oversight there. And you’re right those two would be substantially ahead of anyone else in that metric.

[@bishop1]

He still remains the only player who has recorded a quintuple-double in a game Wilt Chamberlain, on March 18th, 1968, completed the only quintuple-double in NBA history. This is odd because the league officially began recording blocks in 1973, nearly 5 years later. Our only source of information for this feat is Harvey Pollack, a statistician working for the NBA since its inaugural year. Pollack recorded that Wilt finished the game with 53 Points, 32 Rebounds, 14 Assists, 24 Blocks, And 11 Steals. Pollack is also the only source for Wilt’s 100-point game, making the famous sign Wilt held in his post-game photo.

[@skap_attack]

@@bishop1 wow! That’s great information. A quintuple double! I feel like a video in an of itself is needed on that story alone. Thanks for sharing 🙏.

[@bishop1]

@@skap_attack The first and only quintuple double game in NBA history and he recorded that impressive stat line against the Lakers when they had Jerry West and Elgin Baylor Lakers and the Celtics were the best teams during that era so he did that against one of the best teams during his era era, the man was a god on the court idk how the hell he put up those stats but that is seriously impressive to do in any era, the NBA can keep trying to erase Wilts legacy but people like me people like you know better and he should be more recognized than what he is not much people even know who he is especially the young crowd all they know is MJ and LeBron, it's a shame the NBA is trying to bury his legacy..

[@skap_attack]

@@bishop1 honestly I blame social media and the availability of quick little highlight packages. There’s so much more visibility on players these days. Couple that with the relative lack of defense in this era, and a lot of players today are being elevated to heights they don’t deserve.

[@orbiebibbee2998]

He also never fouled out. He was part of 2 different teams that were considered the best teams ever and they won Championships. led the league in assists. Greatest scorer, Greatest rebounder, Greatest shot blocker, most triple doubles ever, most quadruple doubles, increased his field goal percentage every year until his last year he shot 72 percent. Greatest pure player ever.

[@mirospajic9929]

If he played in the 80s or 90s, we would not discuss the GOAT! His era is considered weak ! But they don't know how physical game was back then! " Weak " ???

[@Baselinehangtime8]

Easily by far. Perfect comment

[@Baselinehangtime8]

@@mirospajic9929 Stop commenting on things with such a lack of knowledge on. Wilts era saw the most HoF comp at his position in the postseason than any other era. The rules forced you to be more skilled in wilts era when he started winning chips ironically. By the 80s and 90s you could backdown punish, palm the ball with your palm facing up under it and continue dribbling, sturdier basket and smaller basketball easier to make shots, best rebounding and defending big man of the 90s was a 6’7 power forward rodman etc…. So wilt would’ve destroyed the 80s and 90s far worse than he did the 60s and 70s Wilt was elbowed and hacked in the ribs and face so many times even having his mouth so swollen that you couldn’t see his teeth as they were pushed up into his gums. No flagrant fouls existed to eject anyone from doing this to him to try to stop him and a separate set of rules refs created for wilt to not call fouls committed against him like everyone else would be called on each other for to be able to have an actual game and not everyone foul out time and again on the other team. Well documented u can find proof of this on the net and KZbin so stop being lazy and settling for being a liar

[@mirospajic9929]

@@Baselinehangtime8 you didn't understand my comment!

[@Baselinehangtime8]

@@mirospajic9929 I sure didn’t. I’m the ignorant fool here lmao my bad. That’s what I get for allowing past interactions with idiots rattle me and now I look like one. Good day and awesome comment! I hold my L

[@bishop1]

Wilt Chamberlain Records: All NBA Records Owned By Wilt Chamberlain 5 Rules That Were Changed Because Of Wilt Chamberlain Most points per game in a season (50.4 in the 1961-62 season) Most points in a season (4,029 in 1961-62) Most points scored in a game (100 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962) Most points scored in a half (59 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962) Most 50-point games in a season (45 in 1961-62) Most 40-point games in a season (63 in 1961-62) Most consecutive seasons leading the NBA in points per game (7) Most career regular-season 60-point games (32) Most career regular-season 50-point games (118) Most career regular-season 40-point games (271) Most career regular-season 35-point games (381) Most consecutive 60-point games (4 from February 25-March 2, 1962) Wilt Chamberlain is the only player to ever score 60 points in back-to-back games. Most consecutive 50-point games (7 from December 16-29, 1961) Most consecutive 40-point games (14 from December 8-30, 1961 and January 11 - February 1, 1962) Most consecutive 30-point games (65 from November 4, 1961 - February 22, 1962) Most consecutive 20-point games (126 from October 19, 1961 - January 19, 1963) Most consecutive games leading all players in scoring (40 in 1961-62 season) Most consecutive games leading all teammates in scoring (116) Most points per game by a rookie (37.6 in 1959-60) Most points by a rookie (2,707 in 1959-60) Most points by a rookie in a game (58 on January 25, 1960, and February 21, 1960) Most consecutive 40-point games by a rookie (5 in late January 1960) Most points scored by a player in his first NBA game (43 on October 24, 1959, against the New York Knicks) Fewest games played to reach 15,000 points (358, achieved in 1964) Fewest games played to reach 20,000 points (499, achieved in 1966) Fewest games played to reach 25,000 points (691, achieved on February 23, 1968, against the Detroit Pistons) Fewest games played to reach 30,000 points (941, achieved on February 16, 1972, against the Phoenix Suns) Most consecutive seasons leading the league in field goals made (7 from 1959-60 through 1965-66) Most field goals made in a season (1,597 in 1961-62) Most field goals attempted in a season (3,159 in 1961-62) Most field goals made in a game (36 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962) Most field goals attempted in a game (63 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962) Most field goals Made in a Half (22 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962) Most field goals Attempted in a Half (37 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962 (2nd half) Most field goals Attempted in a Quarter (21 in the 4th quarter vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962) Most Free Throws Made in a Game (28 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962) Most seasons leading the NBA in free throw attempts (9) Most consecutive seasons leading the NBA in free throw attempts (6 from 1959-60 through 1964-65) Most free throws attempted in a season (1,363 in 1961-62) Most points by a rookie in a game (53 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 14, 1960) Wilt Chamberlain also scored 50 as a rookie against the Boston Celtics on March 22, 1960. Most field goals in a seven-game series (113 vs. the St. Louis Hawks in 1964) Most field goals in a game (24 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 14, 1960) Most field goal attempts in a game (48 vs. the Syracuse Nationals on March 22, 1962) Most field goal attempts in a three-game series (104 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1960) Most field goal attempts in a five-game series (159 vs. the Syracuse Nationals in 1962) Free throw attempts in a game (16 in 1962) Wilt Chamberlain also holds the second-most attempts in an All-Star Game with 15 in 1960. Career total rebounds (23,924) Career rebounds per game (22.9) Most seasons leading the league in rebounds (11) Most seasons with 1,000 or more rebounds (13) Rebounds per game in a season (27.2) Total Rebounds in a season (2,149 in 1960-1961) Rebounds in a game (55, Philadelphia Warriors vs. Boston Celtics, November 24, 1960) Most rebounds per game by a rookie in a season (27.0) Most rebounds by a rookie in a season (1,941) Most rebounds by a rookie in a game (45 on February 6, 1960) Most rebounds in a single postseason (444 during the 1969 Playoffs). Most rebounds in a playoff game (41 against the Boston Celtics, on April 5, 1967). Most rebounds in a half (26 against the San Francisco Warriors on April 16, 1967) (Also an NBA Finals record.). Highest rebounding average in a playoff series (32.0 in a 5-game series against the Boston Celtics in 1967). Most rebounds in a 5-game playoff series (160 against the Boston Celtics in 1967). Most rebounds in a 6-game playoff series (171 against the San Francisco Warriors in 1967). (Also an NBA Finals record for a 6-game series.). Most rebounds in a 7-game playoff series (220 against the Boston Celtics in 1965). Most rebounds by a rookie in a game (35 against the Boston Celtics on March 22, 1960) Scored a then-playoff record 53 points (still Scored a then-playoff record 53 points (still a rookie record) in the same game (a game 5 victory). Highest rebounds per game average in the NBA Finals, career (24.6) Most career rebounds in the NBA All-Star game (197). Most rebounds in an All-Star Game half (16 in 1960). Most double-doubles, all-time: 968. Highest single-season PER: 31.82 in 1963 season. Most consecutive double-doubles (227) (between 1964 and 1967 seasons) Most consecutive triple-doubles in the same postseason (4) (April 9-16, 1967) Most double-doubles in the All-Star Game (7) Most seasons leading NBA in minutes played (8) Most consecutive seasons leading NBA in minutes played (5, from 1959-60 through 1963-64) Most career minutes played per game (45.8) Most minutes played in a season (3,882 in 1961-62) Most minutes played per game for a season (48.53 in 1961-62) Wilt Chamberlain's 3,882 minutes played out of the team's possible 3,890 left an average of six seconds of rest per game. Most complete games in a season (79 out of 80 games in 1961-62) Most consecutive complete games in a season (47 in 1961-62) Highest postseason career average minutes per game: 47.24 Highest average minutes per game in a playoff series (49.33 (296/6) against the New York Knicks in 1968) Most minutes played in a three-game series (144 against the Syracuse Nationals in 1961) Most minutes played in a four-game series (195 against the Cincinnati Royals in 1965 and the Atlanta Hawks in 1970) Most minutes played in a six-game series (296 against the New York Knicks in 1968) Most minutes played in a five-game series in the NBA Finals (240 against the New York Knicks in 1973) Wilt Chamberlain never fouled out of a regular-season or playoff game in his 14 years in the NBA. His career average was only 2 fouls per game, despite having averaged 45.8 minutes per game over his career. Most consecutive seasons leading NBA in field goal percentage (5, from 1964-65 through 1968-69) Most consecutive field goals (35 from February 17-28, 1967) Most field goals in a game without a miss (18, Philadelphia 76ers vs. the Baltimore Bullets on February 24, 1967) Career free throws missed (5805) Career free throws missed per game (5.6) Free throws missed per game in a season (7.0 in 1967-68) Most free-throws missed in a single season (578 in the 1967-68 season) Most free throws missed in a playoff game in a half (12, vs. Boston Celtics, April 12, 1966)

[@dkup1584]

Man I couldn’t even read all of them…

[@bishop1]

​@@dkup1584He owns 71 records and he retired 50 years ago, to me that's goat status.

[@alexloeher8628]

And yet, of those, only 7 are from the playoffs and of those 3 of them involve just having a lot of field goal attempts, which isn't really indicative of anything but shot chucking. If you actually factor playoff performance (which you should if you're rational), Wilt by definition can't be the GOAT

[@bishop1]

@@alexloeher8628 He owns the record book, I don't give a fuck about Playoffs and championships because that's a team effort not an individual effort.

[@alexloeher8628]

@bishop1 are you illiterate? His individual playoff performances are just that: individual efforts. I feel like I'm talking to children here. It's telling that of the many records Wilt has, almost none of them are for his playoff performances and the ones that are are for FGAs and free throw misses. Go ahead and try to blame his 5 single digit scoring games in the finals on "team efforts" go ahead and blame his 44th all time playoff ppg on team effort That's the problem with you casuals, you copy and paste one Wikipedia article and think you know more than a layman. But I don't believe in participation trophies; you semi-sentients give Wilt way too much credit for stat padding in the regular season that you're oblivious to his stats when games actually mattered. Fully NPC behaviors and thought processes

[@rocksolid5260]

Wilt is so great that even Kareem who is virtually the perfect basketball player standing 7 foot 3 who can do it all, still doesn’t compare to Wilt Chamberlain in his prime It doesn’t get more unstoppable than that

[@samslick9000]

Wilt was the only player who could block the Sky Hook

[@aarondigby5054]

​@@samslick9000Wilt played for the Harlem Globetrotters in 59-60 while waiting on the NBA season to start because he dribble and pass the ball like a guard

[@everybodywantstoruletherad279]

If wilt was so great. Why did he get shut down by russel every year. Expect 2 seasons. He was just bigger than everyone

[@rocksolid5260]

@@everybodywantstoruletherad279 cuz he never got shut down by Russell ever. Lmfaoooooooo Beat him in winshares which is impact on winning, more hof comp at once, dog walked him in points, Fg percentage, rebounding, blocks, and close in assists. Only thing bill Russell got him on is steals. And he held Russell to lesser performances than Russell held him to overall in postseason and career wise. Only a casual thinks a team loss automatically means an individual shut down and ofc doesn’t keep the same energy for their fav players and say jordan got shut down when he dropped 63 or Kobe got shut down when he lost in 2012 I can’t believe it’s 2023 and U still never laid eyes on a basketball

[@rocksolid5260]

@@everybodywantstoruletherad279 a man who has 11 chips couldn’t impact winning more than a man who won 2 chips. You’d lose every game u play with that non basketball mind of yours lol

[@rickguerrero2282]

I always have said that Wilt is the GOAT. He played like he came to Earth from another planet. There will never be another Wilt........regardless of "it is a different game" line. Many folks from the modern era do not know how many records Wilt holds. They are staggering.

[@dareal1993]

Wemby

[@MarvG3000]

Wilt is the goat. He’s the best individual player and still managed to win two championships while playing in an era with the greatest dynasty in sports history the Celtics

[@davidwilliamson2341]

If you seen Wilt play and how he could run all day, a how much higher he Jumped, how strong he was your not overlooking him! If you havnt seen him you dont know,few that post have! Total freak of nature hes the Babe Ruth of BB!

[@channeljan8529]

Okay this dude averaged 47.2 minutes in the playoffs, 47.3 minutes in the finals. When you think "most valuable player ever" how can you possibly top that?

[@skap_attack]

You’re right. Especially when compared against modern era players who are playing in the 50s or 60s in terms of games and in the mid to upper 30s in terms of minutes

[@sososnagahae8169]

He also averaged 48.5 minutes for a season

[@shamonbest106]

Love this video. Rare to find objective dialogue regarding Wilt. I personally don’t think there is an actual consensus on who the goat was/is/will-ever-be. “All-Time” means before we could observe and long after we are deceased. In a team sport where the style of play is continually evolving, rules are changing and the public discourse is everywhere, prior generations will be forced to the sidelines. It’s refreshing to see the comments here. Keep going with this type of content.

[@PassFirstPost]

My take: His teams never had good fit around him, reducing his numbers in the playoffs where the other teams doubled up on defense forcing his teammates to take the shots.

[@skap_attack]

That definitely makes sense.

[@williepep-fy7qm]

Pass first Joey definitely not true, watch the film Wilt was barely hard doubled against Boston outside of 1964 when he was playing with Thurmond no other series did Boston hard double wilt more than occasionally

[@williepep-fy7qm]

Pass first Joey if you getting double teamed how everyone else in the starting lineup has more assist than you? Wilts assists dropped against Russell in the playoffs

[@williepep-fy7qm]

@@skap_attack Wilt is top 3 for me but Bill Russell pulled a rope a dope on Wilt Chamberlain similarly to Ali/Foreman In 8/8 playoff meetings Wilt's scoring went down each time, 6/8 his efficiency dropped even though his team had the better record 4/8 playoff meetings Sam took advantage of Wilties poor lateral movement and unwillingness to come out Wilt = 37.6 ppg in 1959/60 season Wilt = 30.5 ppg vs Russell in 1960 EDF (- 7.1 ppg) Wilt = 50.4 ppg in 1961/62 season Wilt = 33.6 ppg vs Russell in 1962 EDF (- 16.8 ppg) Wilt = 36.9 ppg in 1963/64 season Wilt = 29.2 ppg vs Russell in 1964 Finals (- 7.7 ppg) Wilt = 34.7 ppg in 1964/65 season Wilt = 30.1 ppg vs Russell in 1965 EDF (- 4.6 ppg) Wilt = 33.5 ppg in 1965/66 season Wilt = 28.0 ppg vs Russell in 1966 EDF (- 5.5 ppg) Wilt = 24.1 ppg in 1966/67 season Wilt = 21.6 ppg vs Russell in 1967 EDF (- 2.5 ppg the only time he beat Russell) Wilt = 24.3 ppg in 1967/68 season Wilt = 22.1 ppg vs Russell in 1968 EDF (- 2.2 ppg) Wilt = 20.5 ppg in 1968/69 season Wilt = 11.7 ppg vs Russell in 1969 Finals (- 8.8 ppg) And this is without factoring in that Wilt likely padded his stats in blowout situations, like we saw in the 1962 EDF. Russell - a genius who molded his came to fit the needs of multiple title runs Wilt - less of a helpful impact on his team's success.

[@williepep-fy7qm]

@@skap_attack Bill Russell pulled a rope a dope on Wilt Chamberlain similarly to Ali/Foreman In 8/8 playoff meetings Wilt's scoring went down each time, 6/8 his efficiency dropped even though his team had the better record 4/8 playoff meetings Sam took advantage of Wilties poor lateral movement and unwillingness to come out Wilt = 37.6 ppg in 1959/60 season Wilt = 30.5 ppg vs Russell in 1960 EDF (- 7.1 ppg) Wilt = 50.4 ppg in 1961/62 season Wilt = 33.6 ppg vs Russell in 1962 EDF (- 16.8 ppg) Wilt = 36.9 ppg in 1963/64 season Wilt = 29.2 ppg vs Russell in 1964 Finals (- 7.7 ppg) Wilt = 34.7 ppg in 1964/65 season Wilt = 30.1 ppg vs Russell in 1965 EDF (- 4.6 ppg) Wilt = 33.5 ppg in 1965/66 season Wilt = 28.0 ppg vs Russell in 1966 EDF (- 5.5 ppg) Wilt = 24.1 ppg in 1966/67 season Wilt = 21.6 ppg vs Russell in 1967 EDF (- 2.5 ppg the only time he beat Russell) Wilt = 24.3 ppg in 1967/68 season Wilt = 22.1 ppg vs Russell in 1968 EDF (- 2.2 ppg) Wilt = 20.5 ppg in 1968/69 season Wilt = 11.7 ppg vs Russell in 1969 Finals (- 8.8 ppg) And this is without factoring in that Wilt likely padded his stats in blowout situations, like we saw in the 1962 EDF. Russell - a genius who molded his came to fit the needs of multiple title runs Wilt - less of a helpful impact on his team's success.

[@craigwheeler4760]

What most people overlook about Wilt -- he decided to stop scoring after 1967. He scored 31,000 pts , most of which was in 10 years. Had he kept up his 40+PPG pace from his first 7 years in the league, he would've put up over 40,000 pts for a career. There was a study done on his 1961 season. Of adjusted for modern pace of play, and minutes per game in the 2020 NBA, Wilt Chamberlain would average 36 PPG and 17 Rebounds per game TODAY. That's nuts!

[@sososnagahae8169]

The league today has similar pace to back then actually in terms of scoring. Maybe he’d average that in the 2000s-2010s. Today he’s definitely averaging over 40

[@grosskopf2779]

Yup

[@seinfan9]

@@sososnagahae8169 The pace in the 60s was even faster than it is today. Not just in terms of possessions, they also didn't have tons of stoppages for TV breaks.

[@DrJohnnyJ]

If Wilt or Kareem were in the draft today, they would be chosen before LeBron or Jordan.

[@skap_attack]

There’s no doubt about that. Elite bigs have always historically been more valuable than perimeter oriented players. There’s been very few dynastic guards and typically they play along other great all time bigs or super teams.

[@Tartaggz]

Idk about today, but definitely in the 90s when someone needed to guard and score against Hakeem and Shaq and all those bigs. I think Lebron would be chosen first today because he's an all-around player, which works well in today's game

[@skap_attack]

@@Tartaggz I think the commentary around lebrons “all around game” is overstated. From age 26 to now, he’s had maximized talent surrounding him. Yet in 20 years total play now he’s won only 4 times. He certainly fills up the box score at an all time rate, tho Jerry west has identical career averages to Lebron. I think also while Lebron is elite and arguable the greatest ever at maximizing poor or mediocre talent, he’s also one of the worst at playing with elite, high end talent. Every great player he’s played with has gotten worse playing with him, as they have to sacrifice their games for him. All that said, I can certainly understand the case for him to be the number one pick

[@T-roc57]

80's n 90's ya, after that not sure...how would they do vs the guys today that are their size & have skills as well tho?

[@hellbent7066]

​@@Tartaggz I don't consider LeBron as having an elite all-around game because basketball has 2 sides because he's never led the league on defense. He has only led the league on offense. His defense is mediocre at best. I think David Robinson was a better all-around player because he is the only player in history (other than Jordan) who has won both the DPOTY and the Scoring Title. That means he lead the league on bith defense and on offense. That is my definition of a great all-around player.

[@roberthilson6327]

Great video, As a big fan of Wilt who believes that he was the greatest individual player of all time, I picked up a couple of facts that I didn't know. Great work!

[@skap_attack]

Thank you very much! And many thanks for watching. I appreciate it 🙏❤️

[@southwest1988]

Imagine if Wilt had a hall of fame coach and the supporting cast like the Celtics had in that time definitely have 14 championships it was the fastest highest pace era and the man averaged 48.5 minutes a game 😭 50 points 25 Rebounds is so crazy

[@bricefleckenstein9666]

Alex Hannum. Bill Sharman. Wilt had *2* Hall of Fame coaches in his career - and Alex in particular was the ONLY coach to defeat the Russell-era Celtics. Alex ALSO did that with 2 separate teams (though only once each).

[@johnwebb167]

Imagine if these Leflop, Kobe,MJ fanboys watched this video and got educated about the total dominance of WILT. But all they can do is bring up is Wilt only won 2 chips or he played in a weaker era. They fail to get educated that there was no three pt line or that the league changed some of the rules to slow down Wilt's dominance or that half of the Celtics team we're HOF's. Consider this Wilt still owns 65-70% of the NBA records and hasn't played a NBA game in 50 years. No one will ever dominate like he did. HE IS THE GOAT!!! It's not even debatable!!!

[@thamwisai1]

Never fouled out …unbelievable

[@Byronic19134]

And played all 48 mpg and one season averaged over 48 mpg because of OT’s.

[@gunshotlagoon922]

He had the most unusual career of any professional athlete that you can't really assess him the same way like you would another player. Whether he turned up or gave up his stats, you'll always find some strange new or unheard of accomplishment somewhere in there. Take the box plus/minus metric as an example. LeBron and a couple others officially share the highest plus/minus in a playoff game with +46. Although plus/minus values were recorded differently before 1974, even if you take that into account Wilt would have the record for highest plus/minus in a playoff game with +56, which did against Golden State in the last playoffs of his career. I mean holy crap.

[@skap_attack]

That is unbelievably. Plus fifty six?!

[@bishop1]

Wilt owns 72 records 68 of them are individual records, you will always hear some new fact or Absurd record because he has so many he owns the most records in the NBA and he retired 50 years ago put some respect on the mans name

[@skap_attack]

@@bishop1 I agree he’s underrated at this point. It’s only getting worse the further away from his career we get.

[@bishop1]

@@skap_attack Not for me man he is the goat some would say MJ is the goat and I wouldn't care but the goat debate should not be Jordan and lebron it should be Wilt vs MJ.. my dad is a huge basketball fan I asked him why does the NBA ignore wilt chamberlain my dad said wilt and the NBA had a big falling out which is they never advertised wilt even though he owned the 60s-70s and owns the most records in the NBA and the man retired 50 years ago but the NBA doesn't respect wilt and everything he did, MJ took the league by storm through the 80s and 90s.. it's the NBA they've been trying to make Wilt invisible even in my dad's time and he was born in 1960 he said once Wilt retired they never talked about wilt again it was all about Kareem and Russel back in that era shit they still advertise Kareem but never wilt but there falling out is why the have never advertised him the NBA is trying to make everyone forget about the forgotten goat but the ones who know what wilt did Revere him as the goat only kids talk about MJ and lebron in the goat conversations they are the NBA darlings they are the poster boys for the NBA, Wilt is my goat I don't care about championships he was a one man team until he got to the Lakers who had good players with West and Baylor.

[@skap_attack]

@@bishop1 it’s absolutely sickening how the media can just decide to erase people. And all of the casual observers just allow it to happen. At least Jordan is a worthy ambassador of the sport unlike Lebron tho.

[@jaranarm]

Unlike Michael Jordan and LeBron James, Wilt never allowed his team to get eliminated from the playoffs in a blowout loss by an opposing team until his ELEVENTH year in the league, which was in Game 7 of the 1970 Finals and that was him coming off knee surgery (and all Wilt managed to do in that series was become the only player to average 20/20/.600 in an NBA Finals, AND he was an eyelash away from doing this again in the 1972 Finals). For his first 10 years in the league every elimination game he lost was by single digits. And this is no surprise, considering Chamberlain has the greatest elimination game stat average of all time: 31.1 ppg, 25.7 rpg, .546 fg%.

[@T-roc57]

His only competition was Bill Russell & him not takin care of biz vs a backup C in game 7 eliminates him from the goat debate but still a phenomenal player.

[@kenneths.perlman1112]

That’s silly.

[@rektz2457]

Wilt is overrated af.

[@hakeemolajuwon4352]

Just like LeBron fanboys, you Wilt groupies are constantly twisting your minds into pretzels trying to make him the goat

[@oldeskoolnewsreels9927]

@@T-roc57 Wilt's playoff competition in 29 series: Kareem(2), Russell(8), Thurmond(3), Reed(3). That's 16 out of 29 vs NBA75 centers. 4 more against HOFers Bellamy, Embry and Beatty. Almost 70% of his series were against legit HOFers at his position. No one has ever had that kind of competition. Jordan played one series against an NBA75 shooting guard.

[@bishop1]

Wilt Chamberlain: 2-Time NBA Champion, 4-time MVP, 2-Time NBA Finals MVP, 7-Scoring Titles, 11-Rebound Titles, 10-Time All-NBA Honoree. Wilt Chamberlain Records: Chamberlain holds 72 NBA records, 68 by himself. Among his records are several that are considered unbreakable, such as averaging 22.9 rebounds for a career or 50.4 points per game in a season, scoring 100 points or 55 rebounds in a single game, scoring 65 or more points 15 times, 50 or more points 118 times.

[@bishop1]

@John Imegi Yep he also recorded a quintuple-double, that's better than a quadruple-double. According to several unofficial box scores of the time, Chamberlain had three quadruple-doubles in the playoffs during the 1960s, but his finest all-around game may have come at the end of the 1967-68 regular season when he reportedly recorded the only quintuple-double in NBA history. What is known for sure is that he had 53 points, 32 rebounds and 14 assists. What is rumored is that he may also have had as many as 24 blocks and 11 steals.

[@bishop1]

@shadow81in You have no idea what you are talking about, he played against Kareem, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robertson, Jerry west, and the Celtics had 7 hall of famers on that team for over a decade bill russell wasn't the only good player,. There was Sam Jones, John Havlicek, bill Russell, Bob cousy, there were players like Bob Petitt etc. You don't even know what the hell you are talking about man so don't even try.

[@bishop1]

@shadow81in you know who you sound like? That moron JJ Reddick 😂

[@bishop1]

@shadow81in You off your meds homie?

[@bishop1]

@shadow81in Empty stats? He's the all-time record leader. He owns over 70 records and his legacy will live forever you sound like a LeBron fan they the only ones who hate on other players, you don't understand the history of the game and the ones who paved the way for players today. Wilt is by far the most dominant big man to ever play and your goal is to shit on him with opinionated bs which is irrelevant and will not work with the people who actually know basketball and respect the game and the greats from the past, you are a straight up hater so everything you say is irrelevant to me homeboy

[@sososnagahae8169]

Put him in todays era with modern advancements in sports science, nutrition and training and he is breaking the league. The guy did all that while playing in Chucks ffs. Probably the greatest athletic specimen the world has ever seen in all sports. His height, his wingspan, his strength, his speed and his endurance are unreal

[@goktugblack]

I was about to write the comment "50 points PLUS 25 rebounds" but Kobe said it. Wilt is the TRUE goat and he would absolutely CRUSH todays league. Imagine 7'2" giant with - Jokic passing ability - Russell Westbrook's speed - Dwight Howard's athleticism and strength (of course an upgraded version of it) - Charles Barkley's rebounding prowess and - Shaq's lowpost presence only MUCH more ferocious. People dont realize how much of a beast Wilt was.

[@c99kfm]

The only ability you forgot to mention is: - Wilt Chamberlain's endurance and toughness ...sorry, there was nobody comparable.

[@daitoryu]

Wilt still holds over 60 NBA records and he's been dead for years. He is, by far, the GOAT.

[@KingTaylor-pl2el]

Wilt better than lebron fasho 💯💯

[@ar7pr219]

Wilt gets great coaching that uses him properly, great teammates, and then (in his old age, especially for that era), suddenly wins .718 of his games during the entire second half of his career. His teams set the record for wins twice (two *different* teams, no less). Coaches and GMs who either overtly disliked/hated and/or totally mismanaged Wilt. -Neil Johnston -Ed Gottlieb -Frank McGuire -Bob Feerick -Dolph Schayes -Butch Van Breda Kolff -Fred Schaus Coaches who understood him well, treated him well, and used him properly/to his full potential: -Alex Hannum -Bill Sharman In 14 years he only had two coaches that ever understood him, and that he could count on. That's only 6 of his 14 seasons. Here are his team’s records for 4 of those years: 1. 68-13 (set all time record for wins) 2. 62-20 3. 69-13 (set new all time record for wins, different team) 4..60-22 That's a .793 winning percentage for 4 years. On two different franchises!!!! Would a born “Loser” win nearly 72% of his games the entire second half of his career??

[@jaranarm]

Another thing that must be mentioned is that aside from the coaching situation, Wilt entered franchises that were all suffering from managerial or financial problems (had to move cities, change owners, fire coaches, couldn't trade, etc.). The Boston Celtics, on the other hand, stayed a secure organization with a stable front office and the means to replenish its roster with talent. And by the way, NONE of Boston's top players suffered from major injuries. All of them played full or near full consecutive seasons throughout their dynasty. To say Wilt wasn't one of the game's greatest winners is laughable. He led 4 teams to 60+ wins, including those two record breaking seasons of 68 and 69. By comparison, Russell's Celtics' best record was 62 wins and that year Wilt pushed his team (who had only won 40 games and only 34 the year before) all the way to a Game 7 one point loss against them while becoming the only player to average 30-30 in a postseason series. In the previous round Wilt guided that pathetic squad past Oscar's 48-win Royals who were the best team in scoring, shooting and passing that year.

[@bishop1]

Wilt didn't have good teammates until he got to the Lakers in his last 3-4 years in his career

[@jaranarm]

Let's take a look at those four Game 7s that Wilt's teams lost to the Celtics by a grand total of 9 points. In those games Wilt averaged an astonishing .623 from the field (keep in mind that Wilt is the ONLY player in NBA history to average 20/20/.600 across Game 7s). Meanwhile his teammates shot a combined .359 in them. Compare this with Russell who only shot .465 in those games yet his teammates still managed to shoot .423 collectively. Also consider that Wilt was hobbling on one leg in Game 7 in 1968 (he injured his leg starting in Game 4 of that series) and wasn't being passed the ball, while in Game 7 in 1969 his coach kept him on the bench in the entire last half of the 4th quarter as his teammates kept committing turnover after turnover. I give credit to Russell for being able to maximize the talent of those around him but let's be honest, he HAD talent to work with. Plus, Russell never had to experience playing outside the Auerbach system his whole career.

[@williepep-fy7qm]

Jaranarm In 1962 Wilt won the scoring title (50 ppg), yet he lost the Game 7 of the 1962 EDF against the Celtics and got outscored by Sam Jones 28 to 22. Where was the 100 points and 50 ppg when it actually mattered? Sam Jones also hit the game winner over Wilt as the Celtics won Game 7, 109-107. Once again, keep in mind that the 1961/62 Warriors had the absolute worst defense in the league, and it was reflected in Russell's high scoring. In the 1962 playoff series alone Bill Russell had games of 31, 31,(back to back 30/30 games and 29 pts in the series. Bill Russell never in his career averaged 19 ppg in a season, but he averaged over 20 ppg vs Wilt in both the 1960 and 1962 playoff series - in spite of the fact that Russell was a team-first player who usually did not need to score to dominate a game (à la Magic). Bill In 8 playoff meetings against Russell, Wilt's ppg decreased from his regular season every time, while Russell's increased on multiple occasions.(5 /8 series Russell’s PPG went up against Wilt )

[@jaranarm]

@@williepep-fy7qm Oh please. What Wilt managed to pull off in the 1962 playoffs was even MORE incredible than what he did during the regular season. After the 1962 regular season was over, Wilt and the Warriors had ONE DAY off before facing Syracuse, a brutal series which went down to a deciding Game 5 where Wilt set the record for most points in an elimination game (scoring 56 points along with 35 rebounds) to advance to the next round. The Celtics? They didn't need to face anyone in a previous round. They rested for TEN DAYS after the regular season. Again, Wilt got ONE DAY off before meeting Boston. The media predicted the Warriors would get swept by Boston. Why? The Warriors had a tough time getting past Syracuse. Plus, in the regular season the Warriors only won 2 out of 10 games against Russell's Celtics, which they won by only 1 point and 2 points. In one game, Wilt even dropped 62 points (the most points he ever scored against the Celtics) and they STILL lost. What chances would they have against them in the playoffs? In the 1962 EDFs the Warriors coach Frank McGuire decided to make Wilt change his game and have him play out of pivot. He played away from the basket more and you can see it in his stats. That strategy got them within one play from eliminating the best team in the league in what would have been one of the greatest upsets in NBA history. And what happened in that Game 7? Tom Gola (the Warriors' second best rebounder and passer and was missing since Game 1 because of injury) finally came back and played his best game in the postseason. Tom Meschery shot the ball more and continued his hot shooting from Game 6. With his teammates taking up more shots, Wilt was all over the place on defense. In that Game 7 he unofficially recorded an incredible 14 blocks, the most blocks ever in a Game 7. After teammate Guy Rodgers fouled out, the Warriors got down as much as 10 points but they rallied back, with Wilt scoring Philly's last 5 points with 50 seconds to go and tied the game. And all that game came down to was another one of Sam Jones's miracle shots. So imagine, in the 1962 playoffs Wilt drops arguably the greatest offensive display facing elimination in one round, then he SACRIFICES his stats to put on one of the greatest defensive performances facing elimination in the next round against the best team in the league, nearly pulling off an upset. Wilt did this getting literally zero rest throughout the entire postseason IMMEDIATELY following the regular season. PLAYOFF GOAT! It's rather silly of you to knock Wilt for scoring less in the playoffs. Wilt won 18 out of 29 postseason series, and 13 of them he won was when he scored lower than his regular season average. Why should it matter if a guy scores less as long as his team is winning? Wilt can do a lot more for teams than just score. He once averaged only 7.0 points over 45.0 minutes a game in a playoff series and he still obliterated the opposing team, the same series he recorded a box plus/minus of +56 which is insane. PLAYOFF GOAT!

[@williepep-fy7qm]

@@jaranarm his 1962 team had the worse defense in the league despite having 3 elite defenders. Wilt Gola and Attles

[@jaranarm]

@@williepep-fy7qm No, I don't think so. Gola and Attles both averaged OVER 4 fouls a game each in the 1962 playoffs, that's not "elite defense". And while Wilt averaged only 1.5 fouls in the regular season, the rest of his starting lineup were averaging around 4 apiece! They were the worst defensive team in the league for a reason. Despite Wilt averaging 50, the Warriors were only beating other teams by an average of less than 3 points a game and were giving up the most points to opponents. And yet, Wilt still carried that sorry cast of clowns (even with Gola missing 20 games) to 49 wins (matching the franchise win record at the time which happened under Wilt's rookie season, btw) and then all the way to a Game 7 two point loss against the heavily favored Celtics. Put any other player in Wilt's place on the 1962 Warriors and there's no way they're getting anywhere near as far as they did that year. Wilt shattered the record for single season PER that season as well as the next, and they were only broken just recently by Giannis and Jokic. What's amazing is that Wilt's metrics could be way way higher because of missing stats and figures that weren't recorded during his time.

[@williepep-fy7qm]

@@jaranarm YOU DONT KNOW BASKETBALL 🤣🤣🤣 Charles Barkley even said the other night no fouls shows noones playing defense

[@xtina2189]

His fadeaway bank shot doesn't get enough historical recognition as an automatic unstoppable shot.

[@leodrosia4369]

30 pts, 22.9 boards and at least 8 blocks per gm for career. 7 ft 1 280 with a 7 ft 8 wingspan plus was really fast ,strong and could jump high

[@phillipschuman4307]

Also, he played over 300 pounds in his later years. When I saw him play my Trailblazers in person one time, I was shocked at how thick he was in his upper body. He looked like a middle linebacker in his shoulders, chest and arms. In warmups, Jerry West gave him a fake and went around him. Wilt reached back with one arm, picked West up and pinned him to his hip,

[@leodrosia4369]

@@phillipschuman4307 the story's I hear about wilts strength are incredible. Even when he was skinny in early 60s he was super strong plus fast Ib

[@sionrouge1697]

Wilt is the GOAT. He's the only player people constantly ask WHAT IF. Most of the time it's what if He played today. If you have to take a player from their era and apply them to the modern that highlights his dominance. Wilt was an ATHLETE IF you give him today's trainers, diets, shoes and travel methods.....THEY WOULD HAVE TO RIP UP THE RECORDS.

[@skap_attack]

I’m not disagreeing. From an individual standpoint, and we are removing team accomplishments, there’s a very realistic and reasonable argument for Chamberlain as the GOAT.

[@sionrouge1697]

@@skap_attack I understand but like with Jordan. Take away the Gatorade, Replace the Air Jordans with Chuck Taylor's. Segregated buses,Trains, cabs and Airplanes and sub par trainers is He still Air Jordan ?

[@sionrouge1697]

@@ar7pr219 One thing people tend to ignore is environment. Jordan is not the GOAT. People Judge Wilt by his time vs our time you can't do that. We know what He was like playing under horrible social conditions. We dont know what it would be like if Jordan, James or Kobe played in places where the N word was chanted at them or if they were told they couldn't eat, live or drive where they wanted. Allen Iverson was told he couldnt dress how he wanted and that ruined his mental. So we know a player like him couldn't make it in the. 70s 60 and 50s

[@sionrouge1697]

@@ar7pr219 retired 50 years ago and STILL they talk about him like He retired 5 years ago.....THE GOAT

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

@@sionrouge1697 Thank you! So many forget about the societal differences. Russell, Chamberlain, Baylor, and Robertson all joined the NBA several years before MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech, before the Civil Rights Act became law. People wonder why Wilt didn't use his strength more, like Shaq. They forget that Black men were dismissed as strong but not smart, so Wilt emphasized that he was a skilled player. The cartoon caricatures of a Wilt playing like Shaq would have been horrible, with "King Kong" as a likely connection. Today's NBA is used to 'player empowerment', especially after 'The Decision'. People blame Wilt for his teams failing to win, and for him not getting the right teammates. But this was also before free agency, players moved around when traded. We often credit Magic and Larry for 'saving' the NBA in the 1980s. Along the same lines, we should recognize an even bigger rivalry for 'making' the NBA in the 1960s, Bill and Wilt. Magic and Bird played each other around 35 times, Russell and Chamberlain over 140 times. To go with that, we have to correct Herm Edwards ["You play to win the game!"]. Wilt had a different prime directive: put people in the seats. Basketball was a distant third on the American sports landscape behind baseball and football. Without huge TV and advertising contracts, the box office was the primary revenue stream. It was more important to entertain the fans every game than to win the last game of the season.

[@vernonleewarren280]

Great job my man. This video should have been a lot longer

[@TimSpangler-v9i]

Wilt = Best athlete = strongest athlete= just about the fastest= jumped highest= had greatest endurance. You simply cant dispute those realities

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

I seriously think Wilt Chamberlain might be the most freakish athlete in human history. To be _that_ athletic and _that_ big is unheard of.

[@TimSpangler-v9i]

@@BiggieTrismegistus You are correct

[@CT-cf6wm]

Skap always making the best NBA videos!! I had no clue Wilt played all those other sports and was that athletic. Amazing video Skap!!!!

[@MovieGuy666]

he didn't play 14 whole seasons... he missed 70 games one season.

[@skap_attack]

Correct. He “played 15” seasons. But I didn’t count the 15th season, which was 1969-70 when he only played 12 games. But he played 14 other seasons where he did play the majority of the season.

[@MovieGuy666]

@@skap_attack he only played 14 seasons in the NBA, his first season was the 1959-60 season and his last season was 1972-73.

[@skap_attack]

@@MovieGuy666 you’re right. Basketball reference did a very odd 3 line split for the 1964-65 season when he played for San Fran & Philly. I miscounted that as 2. He played in the NBA for 14 seasons, but he played only 12 games one of the 14 seasons. So he played only 13 “full seasons”. You’re right. My apologies. 🙏

[@alfredodistefanolaulhe2212]

@@skap_attack I disagree with that because that season he also played 18 playoffs games... so he actually played 14 seasons. he was injured during the RS but he played the playoffs...

[@alfredodistefanolaulhe2212]

@@skap_attack He actually played 30 games that season, only 12 RS games, but 18 playoffs games...

[@kevinblount267]

Wilton Norman Chamberlain The Big Dipper.The Greatest Of All Time.

[@SIXPACFISH]

I think the most impressive fact about Wilt, is the number of NBA Rule changes the NBA made to specifically try to slow Chamberlain's scoring down. How many times did the NBA change the Rules to slow Jordan or Bird's scoring down? NO, There Is Only One GOAT! And HIs Name Is Wilt Chamberlain! Plus Wilt played in the Jim Crow time period! Where he had to worry about Being Murdered, every time he played in the South. All his great playing and this Stress on top of everything else? GOAT!

[@skap_attack]

You make a very compelling case…

[@TiresAreForCars]

were in the easiest era to score in history with pace approaching the 60s and no one can touch his numbers still. he's obviously the best player in history, but his stats are so mind-boggling its just easier to discredit him than to accept someone like that actually existed

[@jaranarm]

There has NEVER been a player in NBA history who did anything remotely close to what Wilt Chamberlain did in their first 7 seasons. He gets drafted by the Warriors, who previously won only 32 games and were the worst shooting team in the league (and then worst overall in defense), and guides them to the East Finals 3 times in 5 years, including twice giving the franchise their best RS record at the time. After Wilt gets traded midseason to the Sixers in 65, the Warriors IMMEDIATELY fell right back to being the worst shooting team in the league. So now he enters the Sixers, a team that won only 34 games the year before, who were second worst in shooting and also in most points allowed by opponents defensively. Wilt takes that pathetic gang of clowns all the way to the East Finals only to lose a game 7 by one point. The following year he still took that sorry group of suckers back to the East Finals after giving them the best RS record for the first time ever. You can't name another player in NBA history who inherited such putrid squads and gave them that amount of team success for consecutive seasons, especially ones with piss poor shooting, bottom feeding defense, and mediocre coaching to the Conference Finals a total of 5 times in their first 7 years in the league. And despite Wilt's teammates collectively shooting laughably bad averages of .382, .380, .354, .354, .352, and .332 combined during those postseason runs, his teams only lost every elimination game by mere single digits. On top of that, Wilt is still the only player to average 30/20/.500 for a single and multiple postseasons, the only player to average 30/30 in a playoff series, and the only player to drop 50+ points multiple times in playoff games facing elimination (and won them all). Simply put, Chamberlain was just another level. His impact on team success as just one guy was LIGHTYEARS ahead of Russell, Kareem, Jordan, Shaq, LeBron, Steph or anybody else you want to throw in there.

[@jaranarm]

​@gggorkoYour copy and paste skills aren't impressing anybody. If Michael Jordan is your team's best rebounder your team ain't going NOWHERE. Did Jordan ever get close to winning anything without Phil Jackson and Tex Winter? Did he ever beat a team with more Hall of Fame talent than his own team? I bet you think the movie Space Jam was a documentary.

[@jaranarm]

@shadow81in Because of Jordan's presence? Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong, and Bill Cartwright were All-Stars when they weren't Jordan's teammate. Steve Kerr and BJ Armstrong led the league in 3P% when Jordan wasn't their teammate. Scottie Pippen and Ron Harper led the league in steals without Jordan as a teammate. Toni Kukoc was the most decorated player from Europe before joining the Bulls. And of course Dennis Rodman was already the era's rebound king. Jordan was surrounded by very specific talents in very specific areas that the Bulls front office knew to get and surround him with so he could just concentrate on scoring. It all came together perfectly: management, coaching, players, finances. Some greats like Wilt just didn't have that fortune.

[@FjskNdnd]

Chamberlain was absolutely a phenomenal floor raiser, but some of your claims are outright not true. The Warriors were a top three defense before Chamberlain arrived with pitiful offense. The year he joins, their offense barely improved *(8th to 7th)* and their shooting splits hardly did either *(8th to 6th)*. Chamberlain won them games on the virtue of his rim protection, not offense. You’re also being super ignorant regarding his help. You call the 76ers’ supporting cast a “gang of clowns” but ignore the fact that he had Hal Greer *(the arguable best SG of the era)*, Chet Walker *(a hyper-efficient shot creator)*, and Billy Cunningham *(who was the best 6th man in the league not named Hondo)*. He also didn’t drag anybody to the Eastern Finals in ‘66, they had a bye round and lost in 5 games to the Celtics despite being better rested lmao. At the end of the day, people question Wilt as a playoff performer because he was such a dropper. He went from 30/22/4 in the regular season to 22/24/4 in the playoffs. Those eight points are *HUGE*, and his offenses had to find them from other teammates because of his refusal to play assertive in big situations. He doesn’t get bonus points for averaging 30/20/.500 in post-seasons because that’s already *expected of him*. Those numbers were still a decline from his averages.

[@DP-ol5uv]

Great details and point well presented…

[@jaranarm]

For all the attention Michael Jordan gets for going 6-0 in the Finals, people need to look into them more. Don't get me wrong, he played PHENOMENALLY in his first 3 Finals (although to be fair, it was Pippen who did the better defensive job on Magic and Clyde plus even took up the challenge to actually try guarding Barkley in the post). But what about Jordan's last 3 Finals? In the games where the Bulls had the chance to close out the Finals, Jordan averaged 30.5 points on only .391 shooting. That's just plain awful. In his last 3 seasons overall, Jordan also had no business being on the all-defensive team and the only reason for that is due to a severe shortage of talent. He also had the benefit of staying with the best coach on the most loaded roster in the league. And how did Wilt do in his last 3 Finals? In the games where either team had the chance to close out the Finals, Wilt averaged 28.3 points, 25.3 rebounds, and on .671 shooting. That is just CRAZY performance-wise. And he did this as an old man coming off a career-threatening knee injury and did it all against the New York Knicks, who were the most STACKED team in the league after the Celtics dynasty ended. Wilt never caught a break. PLAYOFF GOAT! There was no rest for Wilt since there was no lack of talented centers he had to face either. After Russell retired, he STILL had to deal with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Nate Thurmond, Willis Reed, Wes Unseld, Walt Bellamy, Dave Cowens, Jerry Lucas, Bob Lanier, Elvin Hayes, etc. All of them are in the Hall of Fame, half were voted league MVPs, and almost all of them were NBA champions.

[@T-roc57]

Pippen was their best defender although MJ was very good too, but why wouldn't he guard Glyde?

[@stevelegreid]

Name a teammate of Wilt’s before he was on the Lakers. Exactly

[@Amick44]

Sure. Philly Warriors (1st team), Guy Rodgers, Paul Arizin, Tom Gola. Later Philly 76ers (2nd team) Hal Greer, Billy Cunningham, Chet Walker, Luke Jackson, Wali Jones. All but Jackson and Jones are in the Hall. He played with several great players.

[@rocksolid5260]

No one compares to wilt. There really shouldn’t be a debate. But if there’s any perfect example to show how out of touch society is with reality and logic and it’s own history these days, it’s the nba goat debate that rarely says wilt and has guys like MJ and lbj at the top. None of these guys can rebound, field goal score, or defend like chamberlain nor lead the league in assists at will like chamberlain nor impacts winning against as many hall of famers at once on both ends of the floor like him. Nobody comes close to him. Undisputed goat no brainer

[@skap_attack]

I can’t necessarily say that I disagree with any of that. I truly believe Chamberlain has a legitimate case. I wouldn’t say definitively yes or no. There’s 4 players in my opinion that have a claim to the GOAT mantle. Russell: GOAT winner. Kareem: GOAT resume. Wilt: GOAT individual peak and dominance. Jordan: the best combination of all elements listed above. Kobe is my favorite athlete of all time btw but those are the 4 I believe you can make a case for.

[@rocksolid5260]

@@skap_attack only issue I have is when people say what you say about the 4 guys as far as those specific things they supposedly have the most of. I’ll get to that in a sec but first I wanna say and I’m so glad u give so much respect to the old school. So many of today don’t. Kobe is one of my favorites too cuz I love his style of scoring. Him iceman tiny Pete elgin Jack kyrie Strickland MJ t Mac and a few others I could watch forever But yeah idk what it is these days about the narrative of those 4 guys having those specific things cuz I heard that before too but I’ll start with if MJ had the best combo of the 4 then I see no real need to call anyone else the goat cuz he has everything right? But in reality the one who has it all is wilt Chamberlain. MJ hasn’t faced nearly as many hof at once, has never even beaten hof teams in the post season ever when the ratio is against him by 2 or more hof while wilt has multiple times and is battle tested with nothing but that throughout his postseason career. MJ had the luxury of facing 0 hof before in the postseason on top of luxury of flagrant fouls, less hof bigs, less defense, refs and league showing favoritism for him while they showed it against wilt, less ball movement and slower pace to conserve energy and be more durable, allowed to travel via wrist carry and ball palm on crossovers etc… Like I said, Wilt has the best combo of all things. He has a good amount of awards even the ones that didn’t exist majority of his career, 2 rings, goat records by far, goat dominance over his position by far, goat versatility records and feats and performances even over thurmond magic and bill Russell, goat stat titles postseason and regular season combined, goat impact on winning against most hof competitors in ratio to how much hof help he had at one specific time in a series, goat rebounder, goat shot blocker, top 3 goat candidate field goal scorer, goat convo scorer, goat by far with rule changes made to stop his greatness (4) , goat postseason and regular season and finals performances overall etc… so if we really are going by everything possible it’s clearly Wilt. Anything anyone else does better than him is such a minuscule gap compared to the universal gap of things wilt is better than them at. Not to mention size speed stamina length durability jumping ability strength handle coordination to run the fastbreak, pull up jumper off dribble strides, fade n turnaround highly efficient, hook shots and standing jumpers even from deep, Playmaking outta this world all against the most hof at once any player ever faced at his position, and rules that did not allow u to bump and dislodge your opponents nor wrist carry or take extra steps in any way. As far as winning, how is that even a thing when a team wins? The best thing we can do to call a person a winner is see how they impact winning. I can understand that cuz now your actually specifically talking about the individual and who contributes most to a win which is why you’d want that player before someone else on your team. Russell with 11 chips doesn’t even have that under his belt as the goat of his own amazing era. I think you can guess who does tho lol Resume to me is the same as combo of all things so I don’t get that one And that’s all. Other than that I truly understand where you coming from and respect your perspective!

[@bricefleckenstein9666]

@@skap_attack Bird. Only player EVER to manage to place in the Top 50 on PPG, RPG, *AND* APG when he retired (still in the top 60 all time on all three). GOAT "best all-around player".

[@alexloeher8628]

Whats really indicative of being out of touch with reality and logic is spewing this idiocy and having no clue about his playoff performances, ie, the games that actually matter. If your GOAT is 44th all time in playoff ppg, has two finals series averaging less than 12 ppg, five games in the finals scoring single digits, then you just don't know basketball and you get all your information briefly skimming a Wikipedia page for "research"

[@rocksolid5260]

@@alexloeher8628 spoken like a true casual who likely gets his information from wiki as the first person to bring up such a foolish thing engaging with an adult about the reality of nba basketball Only a kid who never played the game on any real level whom has no knowledge of basketball would focus solely on ppg, and ignore that 23, 25, 12, n 4 off 52% shooting is greater playoff numbers by far than any other playoff performer career average in all of history. Only a clueless imbecile thinks you can only dominate a game with scoring in massive bunches and not with goat rebounding defense and sometimes even passing. This is the first thing coaches teach when starting out in organized ball. And that’s defense and rebounding first. Funny how u call Frazier MJ Kobe pippen Dominique Pearl Walton Barry etc… idiocy and just not knowing basketball getting their info from some imaginary wiki page 😭😭 Stick to cricket kid

[@jrr3787]

Yes. It's Wilt and no one else is even in the conversation.

[@johnjackson229]

I have had Wilt at number 2 behind Jordan for years now. Jordan was a complete, near perfect two way dominant player who could pass, just like Wilt, but Jordan had better leadership qualities and a competitive will to win. Wilt would have more titles if not for an unfair Celtics Dynasty that will never be repeated in sports again. Leagues won't allow that to happen anymore. Russell had 4 hall of famers or all stars playing with him at all times, and Wilt still beat his better team one year n 67. Also, most people don't know that Wilt had 7 different head coaches in his first 9 seasons. Hard to win with no continuity or plan of attack. Wilt was a physical freak, like a taller Lebron, but he also was tough and not a flopper.

[@leggoentertainment2947]

Jordan's leadership qualities are overrated think Pippen should get more credit there. But Jordan had a near perfect career. However there are so many other players who could be considered the goat. All did something the others didn't a shortened list: Wilt, Russel, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Mj, Kobe, Duncan, LeBron or even Steph. To name a few.

[@willshad]

Get back to me when Jordan averages 20-25 rebounds a game.

[@johnjackson229]

@@leggoentertainment2947 You're right there are so many ways to look at it, so for me I think who in an all time fantasy draft would I take to give me the best chance at multiple championships. For me it's an easy Jordan as number 1.

[@johnjackson229]

@@willshad I've changed my mind. I have Russell at number 2 now and Wilt at number 3. Russell got you 20-25 boards.

[@willshad]

@@johnjackson229 Russell didn't score much though. I think he was more like Dikembe Mutombo than an all time great

[@Defender78]

i crunched the Wilt's career point total and did a "what if". He scored 31419 points, and 6057 of them were free throws, of which he shot badly at 51%. If Wilt shot better at 66%, he would have made 7829 FTs and scored 33191 points, and he'd be at the top, AHEAD of Jordan in career PPG at 31.8 ppg. If Wilt shot his 11862 free throws at 73%, h'ed have made 8659 of them, and would have point totals at 34021, and 32.6 ppg!

[@casualcausalityy]

The Celtics were a dynasty full of HoFers with the greatest coach ever. Only twice did Wilt have quality coaching and teammates, '67 in Philly and '72 in LA. Both teams set winning records and are in the conversation for greatest teams ever. Old Wilt bodying Kareem says a lot, he was the best to ever play

[@bricefleckenstein9666]

The 76ers had the SAME players in '68 and '66 - and the SAME coach. The Lakers had the same core team from 1969 through 1973 - and the same coach for 1970 and on. Wilt had good teams A LOT MORE OF THE TIME than you claim.

[@bazanster2]

Well done. Spot on. The video clips of Chamberlin playing on the Harlem Globetrotters is pretty amazing too. One on one? Perhaps Kareem Abdul-Jabbar with his sky hook. Shaq, with his strength and big body, but Wilt was extremely quick as well as ridiculously strong. Jordan, how would he get a rebound? Let the GOAT debate continue. Everyone entitles to their opinion. Some of my favorite players, Bird, Magic, Dražen Petrović, and Pistol Pete. For rebounding Rodman. Shout out to Oscar Robinson. Lots of great players. Keep Hooping, it's great game. 🏀🙂

[@charlesbromberick4247]

Without a doubt, WILT WAS THE GOAT.

[@skap_attack]

Certainly he has a great argument for that title.

[@GlenDeaton]

Was the goat? He still is the goat

[@charlesbromberick4247]

@@GlenDeaton agreed

[@thedarksage328]

Wilt Chamberlain is specifically mentioned as holding "the most NBA records in the regular season" . Many of the most impressive and seemingly unbreakable records are attributed to Chamberlain, including: 100 points in a single game 2,149 rebounds in a single season 48.5 minutes per game average in a season 50.4 points per game average in a season 118 career 50-point games (the next closest is Michael Jordan with 31) Chamberlain holds numerous other records not specifically mentioned in the search results, such as most rebounds in a game (55) and highest career rebounding average (22.9 per game). The search results frequently mention Chamberlain's name when discussing unbreakable or impressive NBA records

[@kris9145]

Wilt has more 50 point games than Kobe, kareem, KD, steph, MJ, and lebron COMBINED, and more 60 point games than the rest in NBA HISTORY COMBINED 😂😂 wilt is the 🐐

[@liordagan9342]

And that's without 3 points.

[@alexloeher8628]

​@@liordagan9342Wilt would have made about 0 threes in his career; totally irrelevant

[@alexloeher8628]

How many 50 point games did he have in the playoffs? In the finals? That's what I thought. Wilt Stans rely 100% on his regular season stat pads and don't have any knowledge of his playoff career

[@kris9145]

@@alexloeher8628 the fact you try to rely on stats in his playoffs proves you know less about his career, wilt was statistically dominant his first several seasons on a pretty terrible warriors team that never made it very far in the playoffs, however, later in wilts career when he was in the 76ers and lakers his role on those teams was no longer to be the #1 option offensively. He also had way more playoff success on those later teams because he had a lot more help from better players, like hal Greer, chet baker, Cunningham, Jerry west, baylor and Goodrich etc. So because he had much more playpffs success later in his career when his stats were not as dominant it makes it "look" like he faltered in the playoffs compared to the regular season when in fact its because he had way more playoff games later when his role was different. Nice try tho, and to answer your question wilt recorded 4 50 point games in the playoffs which is second all time

[@alexloeher8628]

@@kris9145 lol you proved you know more about the facts because you shat on his teammates? Mind you I didn't even address his teams penchant for winning; I directly cited his poor individual numbers, especially relative to his own performances. His teammates have no bearing on that, but either way they were a lot better than you know-nothings claim, especially Paul Arizin. Fact is, however bad his teammates were were a large function of him freezing them out of the game by being a black hole on offense. His later playoff success still has nothing to do with the facts about his individual poor performances. He was directly responsible for them losing in 69, because he had single digit scoring games in a 7 game series where they only lost by single digits Nice, second all time! Half as many as Jordan though right? You would think with all the 50 point games he had in meaningless regular season games, he'd have a few more 50 point games huh? You tried, but why don't you go play while the adults are talking hm?

[@RichSantoro8438]

@jaranarm If you look even the slightest bit beyond stats and 100 point games, its obvious Bill is the better player. He's a better teammate, coach, winner, and arguably the best defensive player of all time. He won 8 titles in a row because his team's chemistry and defense was insanely consistent due to him. Wilt constantly had attitude issues shown by the fact that as the main superstar of the league, he was willingly traded twice in his prime. He was hard to build a team around and hard to win with, which factors into how good of a player you are. His stats were mind breaking due to the insane pace and lesser competition of his era.

[@drosales43]

Not gonna be a popular comment... Wilt is his Era's LeBron James! Crazy stats... completely vanished in the finals in terms of closing out! Was on super teams and produced 2 titles... that's it! Like LeBron Wilt Chamberlain was an amazingly gifted athlete and had some crazy number's... He just couldn't win Championships! I think Wilt is a top 10 Player... you can argue he is the best Center of all time perhaps(like James could be the best point forward of all time one could argue that) and he isnt the greatest of all time he just isnt! Like LeBron he is a once in a generation talent and athlete for sure... neither are the GOAT

[@skap_attack]

You’re right. That’s not a popular comment on this video thread. Though personally I agree with you lol. I have wilt and Lebron both in my second tier of top 10. Neither top 5. As you said, the parallels between the two are undeniable. Though I think wilt was even more individually statistically dominant than Lebron. Much more. Though Lebron was more durable and has played much longer

[@bishop1]

Point forward? You mean "Power Forward" right?

[@drosales43]

@@bishop1 Point forward is a nontraditional position in basketball, with a small forward-or sometimes a power forward or combo forward-adding the responsibilities of point guard to their play... Great example of this is Magic Johnson... which is who James originally compared his game to

[@bishop1]

@@drosales43 😂 learn the positions man there's never been a point forward Point Guard Shooting Guard Small Forward Power Forward Center

[@bishop1]

@@drosales43 How are you going to criticize Wilt when you don't even know the positions in basketball 😂 please look it up 🤦

[@DP-ol5uv]

Wilt was the most dominant scorer in history. The most dominant rebounder. The most dominant shot blocker, and he led the league in assists.

[@jaranarm]

Michael and LeBron are great, but Chamberlain is far and away the greatest postseason performer of all time and let no one convince you otherwise.

[@skap_attack]

I think he gets a bad wrap from an era standpoint because Russell was so much better in the postseason. But by and far, his teams were also much better. Ultimately tho when you have all time great players with 5, 6, 11 rings, I understand that Wilt is going to get some negative pushback for the 2-4 record. Still, in my opinion he’s rated too low and there’s been some great points added here and context to why chamberlain had the finals record he had.

[@williepep-fy7qm]

Jaranarm DELUSION! Bill Russell pulled a rope a dope on Wilt Chamberlain similarly to Ali/Foreman In 8/8 playoff meetings Wilt's scoring went down each time, 6/8 his efficiency dropped even though his team had the better record 4/8 playoff meetings Sam took advantage of Wilties poor lateral movement and unwillingness to come out Wilt = 37.6 ppg in 1959/60 season Wilt = 30.5 ppg vs Russell in 1960 EDF (- 7.1 ppg) Wilt = 50.4 ppg in 1961/62 season Wilt = 33.6 ppg vs Russell in 1962 EDF (- 16.8 ppg) Wilt = 36.9 ppg in 1963/64 season Wilt = 29.2 ppg vs Russell in 1964 Finals (- 7.7 ppg) Wilt = 34.7 ppg in 1964/65 season Wilt = 30.1 ppg vs Russell in 1965 EDF (- 4.6 ppg) Wilt = 33.5 ppg in 1965/66 season Wilt = 28.0 ppg vs Russell in 1966 EDF (- 5.5 ppg) Wilt = 24.1 ppg in 1966/67 season Wilt = 21.6 ppg vs Russell in 1967 EDF (- 2.5 ppg the only time he beat Russell) Wilt = 24.3 ppg in 1967/68 season Wilt = 22.1 ppg vs Russell in 1968 EDF (- 2.2 ppg) Wilt = 20.5 ppg in 1968/69 season Wilt = 11.7 ppg vs Russell in 1969 Finals (- 8.8 ppg) And this is without factoring in that Wilt likely padded his stats in blowout situations, like we saw in the 1962 EDF. Russell - a genius who molded his came to fit the needs of multiple title runs Wilt - less of a helpful impact on his team's success.

[@ar7pr219]

@@williepep-fy7qm This coming from a guy who copy-paste lies. LMFAO

[@ar7pr219]

@@williepep-fy7qm About the Ali/Foreman. This is the answer. Ali was ahead on all scorecards at the time of the KO. Must also not forget, Foreman had fought 39 times, of which only 2 times past the 8th round. 95% of his fights were decided before that, and 100% of his big/title fights. He wasn't used to going the distance with a guy like Ali. ​ So how does Foreman win in a rematch? With a reasonably early KO, it's the only way. ​ Then there's Ali, famous for being one of the most elusive, quick and hard to hit heavyweights of all time, combined with having a diamond chin. He's never been KO'd. In fact he's hardly ever been dazed. Every knockdown he's suffered, he got back on his feet after 1 second on the canvas. This guy isn't going to get KO'd. ​ Ali was beatable, Norton looked like his kryptonite, and his best of three against Frazier was famously competitive and could've gone the other way. But I don't see a relatively slow guy like Foreman KO Ali at that age, and I don't see Foreman ever outpointing Ali in the 15 round fights of those days. ​ That having been said, the conditions in the stadium were insane. 30c/86f and 90% humidity. Ali's tactics played into it, Foreman's didn't. I think Foreman would've fared better in a rematch. It’s interesting George said every other fight he had he went in with fear and nervousness that he could lose and he hated it and he wanted to finally have a fight where he felt confident and not afraid. Then when he fought Ali he said he finally had that assurance, he wasn’t nervous for once, and it ended up being his first loss. He was in the ring and like, “this is great, I am not nervous at all, this feels great, this is what I have always wanted,” he then lost his first fight. Before his loss to Ali, Foreman was actually 40 and 0 as a Heavyweight. Wow. He was talking to Daniel Cormier about this after Daniel had said that he still gets super nervous and anxious before a fight and wanted to have just one fight where he was confident. Foreman basically was saying it was his downfall and he thinks it was why he lost, he was too confident. Interesting if there was a rematch would he win and cause a trilogy. Who knows. Here is the video of their talk. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bn3YgmB3nsSbb7c.

[@jaranarm]

@@skap_attack What's interesting here is that of the 6 times Wilt went to the Finals his team wasn't even favored to win 3 of them. He should've won in 1969 but of course it's almost universally accepted that bad coaching decisions throughout that Finals cost the Lakers that title. Yes, Wilt won "only" 2 but what people miss is that those 2 championship squads were greater than ANY of Russell's 11, and a case could be made that they were both arguably greater than any of Jordan's 6 also. In fact, Wilt is the only all-time great who can have a serious argument as having 2 of the top 5 greatest winning teams of all time. The 68-win Sixers and 69-win Lakers remain franchise records to this day. Wilt is also the only player who can say he defeated two GOAT candidates (Russell, then Jabbar) on his way to winning his rings.

[@andrewcarroll7641]

Wilt Chamberlain is the finest physical specimen in the History of Athletic Competition. From Year Zero until Year Forever. Full Stop. The GOATEST of GOATS. My Man may even have been a half breed and by that I mean like Hercules; 1/2 Man, 1/2 God.

[@judahmourneth3211]

Failed to win enough and his post season numbers fell drastically

[@skap_attack]

Totally agree. He’s not in my personal top 5. I have him somewhere in second tier (7-9). Because I value winning. But for those of who do not value winning, he’s gotta be higher. I see far too many people with Lebron at 1 or 2 that don’t have wilt in their top 10. It’s nonsensical

[@MovieGuy666]

He won as much as Hakeem... I hope Hakeem isn't in your top 10. 2 in 14 years is better than 2 in 18 years. Wilts Rebounds, steals, assists and Blocks didn't go down in the playoffs. Wilt only averaged 2 points less than Kareem in the playoffs and and just 3 points less than Hakeem. Wilt averaged twice as many rebounds as Hakeem and Kareem. Wilt also didn't have the 3 point line... Kareem did.

[@skap_attack]

@@MovieGuy666 Kareem wasn’t a three point shooter and neither was Wilt. Also pace of play was outrageously high in wilts era. It was still high in the 80s tho so not necessarily a massive knock for wilt. I DO have Hakeem in my top 10. But he is below Wilt. My top 4 will likely never change. It’s Jordan, Kareem, Russell, Kobe. I then fluctuate frequently with the 5 spot. I’m going to say it’s still magic currently tho Lebron is (unfortunately lol) knocking at that door. Next wave would be Lebron, Wilt and Duncan. I then have Bird and Hakeem to round out my personal 10. To me, though, while I wouldn’t make the case, I can understand Wilt’s case for the GOAT. That’s why I made the video.

[@ar7pr219]

​@@skap_attack Wilt was a 7’1 olympic level hurdler who could also out-bench Arnold Shwarzenager. His movements were as fluid as Giannis except he was bigger, faster and stronger. Idk if there’s ever going to be another human as cartoonish as Wilt Chamberlain Those Celtics teams had 8 hall of famers on them. Bill Russell won championships in 11 out of 13 years of his playing career; the only times his Celtics were ever stopped was by Wilt Chamberlain. Even Russell himself commented that Wilt could do a better job in his [Russell's] role than Russell could do in Wilt's. "Wilt is playing better than I used to -- passing off, coming out to set up screens, picking up guys outside, and sacrificing himself for team play."-- Bill Russell 1972 Great Moments in Pro Basketball, (by Sam Goldaper) p.24 Wilt Chamberlain forces Kareem Abdul-Jabbar into 13 turnovers and blocks 4 of his shots in a 112-105 Lakers win. (Nov 23, 1971) twitter.com/WiltStats/status/1641785537945300994 Wilt Chamberlain records 13 blocks against the Boston Celtics with Bill Russell in attendance. • 3 PTS • 31 REB • 10 AST • 13 BLK (Wilt claims 14) (Nov 15, 1971) twitter.com/WiltStats/status/1641556707783643137 The fact that Wilt went into Russell's role late into his career at age 35 and 36 while coming off a serious knee injury that he had suffered in 1970 and that he basically doubled Russell's career shooting percentage as he averaged over 65 and 70 percent from the floor in the last seasons of his career. Is incredible. This is why you can't tell me if you swap Russell and Wilt. That the Celtics still don't win a boatload of titles throughout the 1960s. Again...if you swapped the rosters between the two it would have been Wilt holding all those rings as the great John Wooden said. Once Wilt become a playmaker in 1967 he led the 76ers to a 68 and 13 record and a dominant title. And then in 1968 he once again led them to 62 wins while leading the NBA in APG. And for the record when they faced the Celtics in the 1968 ECF they were riddled with injuries which is what stopped them from repeating as champions. Pollack ticked off some of the cases, which read like a medical diary: -Wilt Chamberlain (partial tear of the calf muscle in his right leg, a strain in his right thigh and an injured right toe): -Wally Jones (injured knee cartilage): -Luke Jackson (pulled hamstring muscle): -Hal Greer (bursitus in his right knee): -And, Billy Cunningham (broken right wrist). If Wilt was making that big of an impact on his team's winning while you say that he was trying not to improve the team with his playmaking Then he is clearly even more of a goat lol. As in the first 30 games of the 1967-1968 season 19.0 ppg and 7.0 apg on 49 TS% 21-9 record (57 wins pace), 117.1 ppg, 49 TS%, 44.9 FG% Last 50 games: 27.4 ppg and 9.5 apg on 59 TS% 41-11 (65 wins pace), 125.4 ppg, 51.9 TS%, 48.4 FG% When Wilt begain racking up more APG the 76ers went on a rampage and the Sixers played at 100.9 ORtg (+4.3 r ORtg)

[@ar7pr219]

​@@skap_attack WILT PLAYED AGAINST THE LARGEST DENSITY OF HOF CENTERS AS WELL AS PF Here's a little insight on the competition that wilt played against TOP 6 CENTERS OF THE 1960s: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZ6UXp2wpdeSnrc There's a laughable idea that there were 6 ft 4 centers in wilts era.It is COMPLETELY untrue. PLAYERS THAT HE FACED THAT WAS 6'10 OR TALLER FROM 1960-1973(players measured during this era were measured barefoot) C-Bill Russell: 6’10” HOF (143 games played in 9 seasons) C-Kareem Abdul Jabbar: 7'2" HOF(27 games played in 4 seasons) C-Willis Reed: 6,10” HOF(72 games played in 8 seasons) C-Walt Bellamy: 6'11" HOF(100 games played in 11 seasons) C-Artis Gilmore: 7'2" HOF C-Bob Lanier: 6'11" HOF(17 games played in 3 seasons) C-Nate Thurmond: 6'11" HOF(47 games played in 4 seasons) C-Bob McAdoo: 6’10” HOF (5 games played in 1 season) (Wes Unseld is also a HOF center but he is 6’9) (26 times in 5 seasons) (Dave Cowens is also a HOF Center/Forward but he is 6”9)(17 games played in 3 seasons) (Connie Hawkins is also a HOF Forward/ center but he is 6”9)(31 games played in 4 seasons) (please note there are more HOF PF who guarded and were guarded by wilt chamberlain but the majority of them are 6’8 to 6’9) NOTE: SINCE THERE WERE LESS TEAMS BACK THEN, THE SCHEDULE WAS MORE DENSE. HE WOULD GO UP AGAINST PLAYERS LIKE BILL RUSSEL, WALT BELLAMY EVERY OTHER HOF PLAYER DURING THAT TIME.... AS HIGH AS TO 13 TIMES A SEASON...THERE WERE ALMOST NO FILLER GAMES WHERE WILT COULD STAT PAD...THE HOF TALENT BACK THEN ARE ,IMO, JUST AS ATHLETIC, JUST AS SMART, JUST AS SKILLED(relative to what the rules allowed them to do) AS MODERN DAY HOFers ALL STARS AND OTHERS: Dennis Awtrey: 6'11" Tom Boerwinkle: 7'0" Nate Bowmen: 6'11" Mel Counts: 7'0" Walter Dukes: 7'0" Jim Eakins: 6'11" Ray Felix: 6'11" Hank Finkel: 7'0" Swede Halbrook: 7'3" Reggie Harding: 7'0" Jim McDaniels: 6'11" Otto Moore: 6'11" Dave Newmark: 7'0" Rich Niemann: 7'0" Billy Paultz: 6'11" Craig Raymond: 6'11" Elmore Smith: 7'0" Chuck Share: 6'11" Ronald Taylor: 7'1" Walt Wesley: 6'11" TOM PAYNE 7'2 " GREG FILLMORE 7'1 CRAIG SPITZER 7'0 LARUE MARTIN 6'11 VIC BARTOLOME 7'0 GEORGE JOHNSON 6'11 WILLIAM SMITH 7'0 Notice how many 7ft players there were for a league with only 9 teams. This is because players had to be rotated out to match Wilt's 46 mpg career average both offensively and defensively. Teams would sometimes try to overload on the defensive end with multiple 6’10” players double or even triple team Wilt ilt. Almost every team throughout Wilt Chamberlain's career had some version of this method. My thoughts on some of the questions raised about wilts era The athleticism: I think today, players have a lot more knowledge on how to take care of their bodies and prepare them for the court. However I do believe that the claim of the better athlete is a bit exaggerated. We aren't talking about thousands of years of human evolution lol, we're talking about 60 years of basketball(since the days of bill). kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKukfpuhqrRse68 The Lack of efficiency: During the 1960s to mid 70s MORE DEFENSIVE LEEWAY -They could handcheck with 2 hands. -Big men like Wilt and Russell could camp in the paint. -Goaltending violations were called differently(they were called more strictly in the postseason) -There was less spacing because there was no 3 point line, making everyone a lot closer to each other. They were a lot closer because the closest shot was the most valuable shot(you still had high quality perimeter shooters) During his era there was also less offensive leeway -There was no gathering step. -You had to keep you hand on top of the ball limiting the amount of creativity you could have with dribbling( there were still high quality ball handlers…somehow) kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnW1gmN8js12Zrc Offensive fouls were a lot easier to get kzbin.info/www/bejne/qF67hYOMd7R2gtk -There was less spacing -There was no 3 point line With Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell blocking a combined 20 + shots per game, jerry west(there was 32 game stint where he averaged around 8 steals and 1 block per game) and sam jones allowed to treat you any type of way around the perimeter…efficiency is bound to decrease. This defense-favoring era is a recipe for a fast paced and fastbreak oriented league. Teams could still score in half court sets, but open looks were generated easier off of fast breaks. Wilt athleticism(on film): kzbin.info/www/bejne/naWQlqymq9Znj6c Wilt chamberlain's defense: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3uqdKyJmdufhtE Wilt chamberlain's league leading passing skill: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2GogZWif6iWg5o Wilt dunking prowess: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXjPnYaJmN6clck Wilt Chamberlain shots from 3 point range: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmGsdGuErNCXZ9k Wilt chamberlain spot up: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mny7iJeve5Jgnqc Wilt chamberlain shooting range: kzbin.info/www/bejne/boCcfpqEm8h6gKM He was the inventor of a lot of the moves we see today The post fade, post spin, drop step, up and under, scoop shot etc… Wilt's moves were not “pretty” but they were effective. Wilt would get open with a plethora of head, body and pass fakes. Faking a pass left then spinning around right. Faking a pass right then hitting a turn around jumper. Faking a behind the back pass, then turning around and dunking on you Wilt chamberlain post moves: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmavmoWEf7J7eZo wilt vs Kareem kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmO4ZX2Jp9WCbZo

[@dledge2689]

20,000 is Wilt’s most impressive stat

[@LegendaryBadass]

The discussion should be between Wilt and MJ. That’s it.

[@martychavis4859]

No one man can be the GOAT in a sport that is a team sport with players playing at different positions.

[@Garkimyer]

They changed a bunch of rules to stop chamberlains greatness, he held himself back and played below his limits a fair amount of the time (said by a teammate and then coach of chamberlain), and still has records so high that people make excuses for why nobody else comes close, even other people playing in his time period. The amount of disrespect i see towards the best individual player ever (undebatable in my opinion) is insane. All you get when you mention him in goat debates is, ‘he was playing against plumbers’ or ‘ he only has two rings’. This guy was a once in a millennium athlete.

[@c99kfm]

If Chamberlain had truly gone all-out, could he really have averaged 48.5 minutes per game? I'm with you and his teammate/coach, we rarely if ever got to see Chamberlain without self-applied limitations. Possibly when he got his 55 rebounds, and possibly, albeit lessened by age and injuries, when he was blocking consecutive Skyhooks.

[@treyspencer3101]

Wilt Chamberlain was a freak of nature. Usually the taller someone is, the more likely they will have trouble carrying their large from. Also in terms of strength, usually longer legs and longer arms make it more difficult to produce as much strength relative to body size, as someone with a shorter frame. However in Wilt's case it's like he got all of the benefits of his size without any of the drawbacks. Bench pressing and deadlifting that much weight at his size is incredible. Wilt Chamberlain is the kind of person that could simply decide he wanted to do something, and he could just do it. I actually think this is probably one of the biggest strikes AGAINST Wilt Chamberlain, for as easy as it was for him to do whatever he wanted, for whatever reason that never converted into NBA Championships. He lost what, 8 out of 9 times he came against Bill Russell in the playoffs? I actually think in Wilt's case, he was too good for his own good. If you think about guys like MJ and Kobe and the amount if work the had to do, to become the greatest... I don't think Wilt Chamberlain ever had to push himself that hard to be great at something.

[@brekedekdang39]

There are many greats in basketball history... Wilt clearly is one of the top athletes. But one part of basketball is team play, and another part is the mental aspect. Bill Russell was a winner because he was a great team player who didn't care about stats. Jordan was a winner because he knew how to get into the mind of his opponent, as well as his teammates... Whether you like him or not or agree with his methods, the fact is he won championships.

[@beaconwarriorsaintsr.921]

I think Wilt said it best, "in their prime, how much money would you be willing to bet?"

[@wobblertv8083]

Brilliant in 67 he changed his game for the team his assist stats were awesome .Then he changed his game in 72 and became a out and out defender rebounder again awesome ....also his outlet passes instigated the lakers fast break .So scorer facilitator defender .

[@pjtheory]

The FACTS are that Wilt holds the highest T.P.A. or Total Production Average in BOTH the regular AND post-season. The T.P.A. is a combination of points, rebounds, and assists. Chamberlain has a playoff T.P.A. of 51.2 which makes him the only NBA player to have a playoff T.P.A. of 50 or more. He played in 52 playoff games when he was a dominant scorer (e.g., led the league in scoring in his first 7 seasons) and 108 playoff games as a dominant defender and passer. The one constant was his rebounding as he actually averaged more rebounds a game in the post-season than in the regular season. In his first 7 seasons in the league, Wilt led his team to the playoffs in 6 of those 7 seasons. In 6 post-season appearances, Chamberlain averaged 32.8 points, 26.6 rebounds, and he shot .505 from the field in a league that shot .426 in that time span. No player in NBA history had a playoff series averaging 32 points and 26 rebounds, yet Wilt averaged that over the course of 6 post-seasons. In his 8th season in the league, Chamberlain captured his first NBA title and he arguably had the greatest playoff run in NBA history. In the 1967 NBA playoffs, Wilt averaged 21.7 points, 29.1 rebounds, 9.0 assists, and averaged an unofficial 9.2 blocked shots. It's important to note that in the 1965 East Finals, Wilt recorded the ONLY 30-30 (e.g., 30.1 points, 31.4 rebounds) in NBA playoff history. Chamberlain accomplished this against Bill Russell and the heavily favored Celtics. Wilt scored the last 6 points of Game 7 to put the 76ers within 1 point with only seconds left in the game and Russell then hit a basket support wire on an inbounds pass, but Havlicek then stole an inbounds pass and the rest is history. This is just one of many examples of Wilt coming up big when it mattered most. If the award existed in 1967, Chamberlain would have been the Finals MVP and he was awarded as the MVP of the 1972 NBA Finals.

[@robson1012]

Compare minutes played by MJ (41010) and Wilt (47859) - Michael needed less time to score more points than Wilt. 6849 minutes is about 140 games more.

[@wmden1]

Yes, he is overlooked by many, but not by me, or most who actually saw him play. So many try to diminish his accomplishments and records to further the cause of their choices, it's kind of pitiful.

[@paulmarc-aurele5508]

I have coined a different term GOTE Greatest Of There Era. Wilt was the greatest of his time from his athleticism but Bill Russel always came up in the conversation as to who would you want to build a team around.

[@Spartan_AG_999]

Yes he is!!! Wilt was a freak of nature!!!!

[@phillipcummings3518]

Wilt didn't even win in college where he should have dominated even more. I just went back and looked at the game. The Jayhawks were favored by 3 and still lost to the Tar heels 54-53. The legend states that Wilt was so down about losing the game that he never returned to campus. It was his worst game in the tourney so North Carolina effectively shut him down.

[@phillipdozier8781]

He Won at the Bank$

[@westonmeyer3110]

They held the ball once they got the lead

[@mobetter25]

​@@westonmeyer3110Exactly no shot clock.

[@Xenon-h9z]

He benched around 500. 600 was an exaggeration by Wilt, and his vert was ~40-42". Still an insane amount of weight, especially given he wasn't faking his genes with steroids, HGH, etc.

[@kdnladner93]

Most of my life I’ve had MJ and Kobe ranked as 1 and 2 but a few years ago I begin educating myself on the older generations of game and now I have Wilt as my second.

[@skirk248]

Something worth noting for the MVPs those were player voted at the time

[@sydboski]

Yes. He is overlooked in today's discussions. That is called recency bias. Yes he is the G.O.A.T.

[@artsabound7627]

his pickup game with college players against 4 of the starting 5 Lakers with Magic , Green , Worthy ect. and the fact that he shut them out completely (43 years old) . Combined with his stats , nobody is even close.

[@j.p.bumstead1174]

He was already a name at Overbrook H.S. in Philly when I was in school there. His nickname was "The Dipper."

[@fxranger326]

Could you imagine how much his contract would be by today's standard?

[@brianmolstad1255]

If the point of basketball is winning the only choice is Bill Russell. Bob Cousey and Red Auerbach thought that if Wilt were the Celtic*s center those years they would have won only 1 or 2 championships. Russell*s game was subtle but highly effective.

[@ralphgreenwood2469]

Sorry,can't take any Red Auerbach comments seriously or Cousey for that matter if he said that.That doesn't even make sense.There is nothing that Russell could do that Wilt coundnt do better.Russell won more because he had the better teams.When Wilt had the better team in 67 they beat the brakes off the Celtics and Bill Russell.5 games to one.Were beating the Celtics 3-1 in 68 until Billy Cunningham got hurt.Then it was back to Russell winning again because he had the better team.Wilt outplayed Russell and Russell's teammates outplayed Wilts teammates and won.Auerbach also said Bird was better than Russell.I guess winning championships only counts when it's about Wilt.Bird only won 3 championships.Russell won 11 but according to Red Bird was better.Cant take Red seriously.Bird only won 3 rings to Wilts 2 and Bird had an entire team of Hall of Famers.Wilt has the greatest stats of anybody that ever played in the NBA.Until somebody puts up better numbers Wilt is the goat.If u want your favorite player to be the goat let him put up better numbers than Wilt.No excuses.

[@georgebreidenthal725]

​@@ralphgreenwood2469Stats don't matter; winning does.

[@Johnadams20760]

and to think, wilt stopped taking shot attempts after those first 7 years and had no 3 point line to inflate his numbers

[@Thorcat001]

My top 3 are MJ, Kareem and wilt. I think those three can be interchangeable.

[@oldeskoolnewsreels9927]

Depends on what you rank higher, but this is absolutely true. And if you don't have all 3 of these guys in your Top 4, you really don't know basketball .

[@kurtadams3021]

The LEGENDARY Iconic Mr Wilton Norman Chamberlain 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@acewilliams7917]

I always say that Wilt Chamberlain is the Goat.

[@richkunkiewicz9070]

Wilt is in a class by himself. Both back then or now. GOAT!

[@TheGreatWesternTrendkill]

but but but pace but but but possessions!!!11. ok so why was nobody else doing it like Wilt back then?

[@jamessansone3455]

Bill Russell said it ain't even close, wilt is the goat 🐐

[@syncmonism]

Having the best player is never enough to win on its own. Wilt turned every team he played on into a contender, and he has EXCEPTIONAL playoff stats, and that's without even considering all the shots he blocked which usually didn't get recorded. Where his value is underestimated most, is his defensive capabilities.

[@RevolutionWillnotBTalevi-sw5vh]

Sir, do this again, or make a part 2. Not enough was said at all to cover the ridiculousness of Wilt "100" Chamberlain.

[@terzinho10]

He was dominant, but didn't play in a dominant league like today's. The quantity of scoring was amazing but the quality wasn't that great since most of the buckets were 2 feet from the rim.

[@skap_attack]

That’s a fair point.

[@phillipdozier8781]

@@skap_attack Who is playing center today could stop him? the league is soft as toilet paper not many Bigs just a lot of jump shooting Tall's.

[@skap_attack]

@@phillipdozier8781 no one today at 4 or 5 is stopping him. It’s not close.

[@chrismacgillivary9497]

The league had to grow and Wilt was the man to do it. I am not as high on him as many but he was an all-time great no doubt but was also the most ahead of his time athlete during the sports infancy. I believe in his 50ppg season he averaged over 36FGA’s per game and not to mention the minutes played. Even as KAJ you could see the efficiency of the league improve as dunking became more normalized etc. He played in the true era of big man’s game but so much had to also be bought in by the team for him to do what he did. Not my GOAT center or player but amazing specimen!!

[@klicknkreate7077]

What, Wilt IS the GOAT!

[@barrywright3670]

Wilt force rules changes those rules still there today plus his 1st 8 years was 39.6 ppg unreal

[@johnbachman8908]

Wilt is far and away the GOAT in my opinion. Champions rely on teammates so it’s hard to use that when determining GOAT status. If anyone looking at film of Wilt doesn’t think he’d dominate in today’s game they’re not paying attention.

[@blt3120]

Some argue that he played a long time ago and that discounts all the records but so did Babe Ruth and he's the greatest baseball player ever!

[@anselmaule865]

Well this is Superman status that's why the have to leave him out of goat debate 😅

[@kenneths.perlman1112]

Not by me. It’s MJ , Wilt and Kareem in a class of their own. Then there is another group. Russell, Magic, Bird, LeBron. Then another group that’s bigger. Hakeem. Shaq, etc etc etc etc.

[@DesroQc]

I love learning about the greats that I didn't get to watch live ! Another good video, Skap !

[@smoothALOE]

As an individual, athletic specimen, Wilt is unmatched. However, he wasn’t a great team player. He cared more about his own stats than he did about winning.

[@kevinvest9693]

There is no argument for bron to be the goat. If you go by stats its Wilt, if you go by winning its jordan or Bill Russell, and if you go by longevity its Kareem. Bron isnt even top 5 but he compares himself to MJ so much they put him at 2nd without earning it.

[@chaoscarnage9581]

Babe Ruth was the Hercules Icon of Baseball. Wilt Chamberlain was the Hercules Icon of Basketball. Before Michael Jordan and television took over, in eras before the 80s, it was about the heart and soul of Basketball, when players were hungry and they bit scratched, and clawed to earn everything they got. You don't see that anymore.

[@anselmaule865]

They have to do that for he is in a league by himself, they're in his shadow, he did so much for baseball.

[@richardkatz8713]

Wilt has always been the GOAT

[@tynickerson7980]

Ok wilt was great but can we stop with the 700lb deadlift and 500lb bench lol dude literally just said that shit once with no proof. This ain't no ronni Coleman this wilt the stilt