Is Wolves-Knicks Trade Working? Concern After Embiid Return? | The Hoop Collective

[@walterzarate4674]

Me and Bontemps share a birthday, I might change mine to November 16th

[@TBurr030]

😂😂😂😂

[@ZenWaves7]

LOL!!

[@GG_Beno]

omfg 😂😂😂

[@pool5863]

loool

[@marianojimenezcamus9169]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BONTEMPS!! from mexico

[@BabylonGateLA]

Gracias little amiguito 💪🏼💪🏼

[@garrettkerkhof7934]

Happy birthday Bontemps! Can’t wait for you guys to go live again. Hoop collective forever

[@Teamplayer24]

Can’t decide if Bontemps looks more like a soccer hooligan or low-level member of the Irish mob in this episode

[@Kikibrat2]

IDK why this actually made me laugh out loud but you are so right. I see it now. 😭

[@mikekelly4542]

Bontemps will make excuses for Embiid but say Mitchell Robinsons injuries are unsolvable? Weird

[@aczeos]

When Robinson is healthy, he plays well, but he's not averaging 30+ a game. I get what you're saying, but I don't think this is the direction you should go.

[@Colt-bd2mv]

Are you seriously comparing Embiid and Robinson?

[@mikekelly4542]

@aczeos when it comes to injuries they have the same issues. Big men who can’t stay on the floor. Has nothing to do with how good they are and all to do with Bontemps’ flawed logic.

[@aczeos]

@mikekelly4542 At your job, people are probably treated differently based on the quality of their work. That's why Joel gets a pass. Whether it's right or wrong is debateable, but it happens every day.

[@Colt-bd2mv]

@ Robinson’s issues are a lot worse than Embiid’s. They’re both bad but Robinson is closer to Rob Williams than Embiid when it comes to injuries.

[@jackm5290]

Knicks fan. Im thrilled KAT has been unbelievable

[@HelmerFud4]

You heard all those horrific defensive stats and you're thrilled about that?

[@GdnationNY]

​@HelmerFud4 he has been fine defensively. He's better both offensively and defensively than randle.

[@pimpnamedslickback7780]

@@GdnationNYno he hasn’t 😂😂

[@luisdavidseverino-qk5sy]

Bontemps tv personality is based on being negative 95% of the time and having a compliment to someone or something 5% of the time, to balance things out. Not only that, he is passionately negative which makes a bigger impact, nothing is good enough for this guy

[@BabylonGateLA]

He always compliments Boston like the little homer he is!

[@MauriceJones-Funnyyy]

Facts

[@Iamrxch3]

Did Bontemps just say that MItch Robinson won't solve a defensive problem? He's literally one of the best defensvie bigs in the league. Also Precious is a rebounding monster, but sure you blame KAT for the defensive struggles

[@HelmerFud4]

His reason why he said that is because Robinson is always hurt. As a team, you can't always be waiting for a guy to comeback from injury. It gets to a point where you just need a healthy guy to eat up some minutes, even if he's a worse defender

[@dustinsirois4788]

Ya to what @helmer said if you are relying on someone that missed half the games every yr to fix your problems and be your solution…. You don’t have a solution. You watched this with the clippers the last 6 yrs.

[@pimpnamedslickback7780]

One of the best defensive bigs in the league? 😂. No he isn’t. He’s a good defender but his rebounds are really what he’s known for. And it’s not like he’s going to play 35 mins a night either. He’s not durable enough.

[@pimpnamedslickback7780]

@@dustinsirois4788yep. And Knicks fans keep acting like Robinson is even in the stratosphere of someone like Rudy gobert. That’s what they need to get to a true contender level defense. 20 mins of Mitch Rob isn’t going to give you that

[@lukevorbach9534]

Happy Birthday, T-Bon from Brisbane Australia. Love the show, guys!!

[@bengabriels6219]

Happy birthday Tim Bontemps. Thought you were older because of your years of experience. Many happy returns.

[@bloodofdepanta]

Filtering out the Celtics game Knicks are top 5 in offense top 15 defensive efficiency, specifically 3rd and 13th through 10 games. This is the formula the nuggets used and won a championship. The knicks will be fine.

[@wileyschmitt]

No they won't, they have a center who cannot defend the paint, and they have no depth at all, one injury to one of their starters and they're screwed.

[@edrym4269]

Yeah 2yrs ago and against the heats which mean they are in trouble..

[@pimpnamedslickback7780]

Filter out the pacers game and they’re bottom 10 defensively 😂

[@wileyschmitt]

Yeah what's with this silly 'filtering out' nonsense?? Can't be doing that.

[@jameswilliams4751]

It’s still early come Dec NY will look a lot different.

[@jackm5290]

If Joel scored more he would have looked good. Excellent analysis here

[@mambaASI]

this trade is looking worse for minny than knicks tbh. Knicks only struggling cuz of mikal playing average defense and he's basically been a net negative for the team so far.

[@bloodofdepanta]

Filtering out the Celtics game Knicks are top 5 in offense top 15 defense efficiency, specifically 3rd and 13th.

[@mambaASI]

@@bloodofdepanta Yea that's true. But 13 in defense isn't good enough imo. They gotta be top 10. And letting the bulls score 124 in regulation is pretty terrible. But not worse than losing to portland back to back lol. But yea mikal needs to step it up defensively otherwise not beating celtics or cavs in playoffs...

[@sportsguru3786]

I don’t think it’s the trade because if you don’t make the trade , 6’9 Julius Randle is your center . I think it’s more defensive chemistry vs towns

[@sLyOnE_NYc]

The Knicks just need time, last year the defense wasn't good until we traded RJ and Quick, that was in like December.

[@Pacmaneman]

@sportsguru3786 it's that were missing 2 bigs. We miss precious and Mitch rn and the trade wouldn't change that at all. We're also 1-5 in the clutch. Mainly because of defense in the paint. Towns is bad but it's being exaggerated his impact. Its a team missing bigs with only 1 carrying on offense most nights. They'll be fine and JB/mikal will only start to shoot better.

[@andrewschick6391]

Happy Bday Bontemps. I’m 42 and old enough to remember you writing columns for the Washington Post and my Wizards. Have a good one! 🎉🎂

[@user-bmw528]

Why doesn’t he ever mention Julius’ defensive stats? That’s the comparison

[@xavierjohnson4496]

Listen windy. This is the crew we watch. All that Romona or Marcus Spears or one of the nerds from wherever we cool on that. Give us this chemistry y'all have and we'll always watch.

[@Rodrickwashington-mf5dk]

The worse thing to happen to Mikal was going to Brooklyn where he was a #1 option. He hasn’t guarded the same or played offense in the flow the same since

[@pimpnamedslickback7780]

He wasn’t the number 1 option. Cam Thomas was. But bridges defense has always been overrated. He’s only good at defense when he was the 4th offensive option

[@IceManLikeGervin]

Minnesota made a mistake. They were a big team with three point shooting that opened up the driving lanes for Ant. Now they are rather smallish with Randle at PF and Ant's driving lanes are now clogged.

[@mambaASI]

yup. It seems like minny knew this would happen, but they didn't care because their plan was to turn ant into a high volume 3pt shooter. Ant is jacking up shots more than driving to the rim

[@Shortballa11]

There move was for now and the future.

[@IceManLikeGervin]

@@Shortballa11 It was a dumb money saving move... in my mind. Minny's championship window just closed.

[@vancearmstrong4542]

@@IceManLikeGervinnot even close. They need a point guard, that’s it. All they have to do is make another trade.

[@Shortballa11]

@@IceManLikeGervin we will see. I dont think the gap between KAT and Randle is that large. Remember the Wolves struggled when they first got Gobert. Its about working on chemistry

[@Pacmaneman]

Knicks only issue is defense and Randle at the 5 would've been 10 times worse. They just havent been closing out close games but will be fine.

[@jontayjohnson2547]

KAT is allowing over 90% shooting at the rim fym “10x worse”😂😂 that’s just not true

[@mush4640]

Just say you dont watch KAT play bro

[@Pacmaneman]

@jontayjohnson2547 that stat is also a terrible stat. Tim Botemps is a click bait bit**. Randle is a TERRIBLE defender. I actually eatch the games. Kat is not allowing 90% at the rim that's just cap.

[@dannypeixoto8435]

It’s exaggerated but not a bad point. The problem, and why i kind of agree, is that Julius was great as a point scorer and rebounder. KAT has to play more defense since he’s bigger and is playing C, that’s the bottom line. I think Hartenstein and DiVincenzo are the real difference. Pace and intensity took a huge hit without them

[@stupididiot6993]

@@jontayjohnson2547 that stat has been debunked. KAT has ~10 blocks in the restricted area so that’s literally impossible

[@kanal-o1i]

Bontemps, happy birthday from Estonia! :)

[@scottipippen6554]

I have a really crazy idea for Joel: if you can`t blow by (!) people anymore, because you don`t trust your knee..why not finally play like a true center? Your are one, if not the biggest and strongest center in the league. Nobody in the league can stop you playing in the post with the back to the basket!! Even Wemby would struggle, if you play him hard with your body, making you enough space with your body to put the ball in the basket without getting blocked. It`s not rocked sience. You are 7" feet and build like a truck. Who in the world can stop you in the post? Nobody! At best, you draw doulbe teams and can pass out to some wide open guy shooting a three or cutting to the basket. Nobody wants you shooting mid-range jumpers anyway. Work under the basket with your body, so you don`t even have to jump or move around much. Porblem solved.

[@songsbytomcom]

Happy bday Bontemps. Keep bringing it.

[@user-bmw528]

Bontemps said Embiid looked fine 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂……..😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BabylonGateLA]

He’s such a homer for Philly and Boston! Guy is basically Walmart Bill Simmons 😂😂😂

[@jgates9786]

​@@BabylonGateLA Now he's a homer for Boston. Y'all really will turn him into anything at this point

[@BabylonGateLA]

@@jgates9786 He’s a Bostonian! You know these Bostonians are the biggest homers in the NBA! Have you ever heard him say anything bad about the Celtics like ever?!

[@jgates9786]

@@BabylonGateLA Week after week there's Boston fans in these comments talking about how he never gives the C's any credit. My point is that he's a fan of X team every time he says something positive, and a hater for the negative, and it changes depending on who you ask

[@Mdolla94]

Like, what?!

[@kraw3026]

Happy Bday Bontemps

[@killadan0724]

Happy birthday Bontemps🎉🎉

[@djmaye2893]

Happy Birthday Bontemps, the BIG 40!!!!

[@ilekomplikacji]

happy bday to Timmy and I wish you less interruptions next year on the pod :)

[@rashaudreece383]

Happy Birthday Bonny Temps

[@Habituellementtjr]

Wishing you a happy birthday Mr. Bontemps! 🎉

[@XhunterWolfX]

the USWB another year sulky another year molding! HBD bontemps

[@Miles_305]

The Blazers are last in offense. No one is worse than them. It's fascinating because of how well Tyler has played compared to Ayton. They really screwed up the Dame trade.

[@NoFrenemiesAllowed]

Happy Big 40 Bontemps!

[@TimothyFitzgerald-s8w]

Happy birthday Tim-Timmmay!

[@user-qb4ex8mh5h]

Happy BDay Bontemps.

[@azadmadhu9994]

Another great episode. Best basketball pod out there. Happy birthday bontemps🎉

[@edselmercado3409]

Happy Birthday, Bontemps!

[@Adrunis]

Happy birthday Mr 40!

[@Gweeds13]

MJ is the player with the highest peak but Lebron is the GOAT. Has almost every record imaginable, 4 time champ. 10 straight to the finals (on sketchy teams that shouldn’t have been there were it not for him), longevity like no one has ever seen. His career is never going to be replicated.

[@bryanaalberg1134]

I am hopeful that the reason Clingan isn’t getting more playing time is only because he is conditioning to get there without passing out. I have noticed the dude huffing and puffing at the 20 min mark. Hopefully he will be able to condition to play starter mins. Dude is a beast!!

[@xavierjohnson4496]

Happy birthday bontemps!!

[@samuelweiner5382]

Donte is a better defensive player Bridges

[@Keyboard-Cowboy]

KAT looks extremely happy to be in NY Don't remember him smiling much last year

[@Kraze3o3]

Embiid in the thumbnail and judging by his recent performance Im expecting a spicy Bontemps. Happy b-day Bontemps Im sure he's getting lots of love i the comments lol. Love the pod, you guys are great. Windy you're the man.

[@SpencerDGoose]

Happy bday Bontemps!!! You rock

[@fodetoure1576]

1984 babies are a spectrum from Lebron to BONTEMPS. I was born 3-23-84. Happy 40th

[@destinywaitMW]

Here after Lukas great D episodes :D

[@kudamutee2203]

Luka D cone on defense Doncic 😂😂

[@94mikless]

Happy birthday Tim!

[@NedKelly-c7j]

Happy birthday angry dude, enjoy being an older angrier dude and if you're reading this howdy pardnuh

[@hpshovecraft]

Happy Birthday Bontemps!

[@chaught]

Happy birthday Bontemps I love you

[@johnw9907]

Happy Birthday Bontemps!!

[@Bubba169169169]

Need Clyde to drop a Cussin and fussin next time Thibs gets a tech😂

[@jean-mariepincemin8710]

While we are evaluating past trades, what about the Utah Jazz trading Gobert and Mitchell to rebuild? Do you think Gobert or Mitchell have any regrets? Have the trades worked for the Jazz?

[@pimpnamedslickback7780]

Danny ainge is dumb that’s why

[@macleinelacerda9]

Happy birthday 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 Bontemps

[@spooky32504]

Happy Birthday!!

[@rodaxel7165]

Happy Birthday Tim Bontemps!🎉🥳

[@sidra_games4551]

You got Mikal Bridges, Josh Hart, and OG Anunoby. You should be able to have a functional defense even with a subpar defensive center.

[@daveplaice1374]

Happy Birthday Timmy Good Times🎉

[@doublej7293]

Happy birthday Bontemps

[@cooldoctor174]

Happy bday !!! 🎉😂😂

[@leeghedi420]

Amazing nba podcast for non casuals the league is still amazing and fun

[@silverbackpauly4814]

I have the same birthday! About to head out to a off road park to celebrate! Happy birthday to us!

[@Meechii23]

These guys are great lol

[@Diablo11.11]

Happy Birthday Timmy!

[@dustinsirois4788]

So many ppl complain about bontemps and his interrupting and talking over people. I will say this about him…..I find it hilarious that when windy or anyone tries to interject and interrupt him he be like oh oh oh hold on now let me finish just wait. While at the same time just interrupting them and talking over them at will lol

[@805j3rklop3z]

Happy bday 🎉

[@NoFrenemiesAllowed]

Embid having to deal with Towns and Mitchell is must watch TV for me.

[@aximus11]

Happy birthday bontemps

[@FaceYoung-ji2jz]

Tell Tim I whis I could come 👏

[@Maxx-w9b]

Sometimes you hear of a trade being good for both teams, never bad for both 😅

[@brewer921]

Bontemps means good times.

[@masonbrik86]

How about a podcast about how hard this game is to play in this era.

[@ChrisUnbias1of1]

Mitchell robinson plays just as much as Embiid.......why u killing robinson and praising Embiid. Foh Bontempts

[@pimpnamedslickback7780]

Robinson averaged 43 games a yr over the last 5 seasons while embiied averages 56. What are you talking about?

[@ChrisUnbias1of1]

@pimpnamedslickback7780 just what I said. 43 and much different from 56....so yeah they played about the same amount of games.

[@Pacopacito18]

Except embiid has an mvp. Mitchell is a role player. You're right not even a comparison

[@ChrisUnbias1of1]

@@Pacopacito18 MVP ain't got nothing to do with him not playing games. Stick to the topic by boi

[@Pacopacito18]

@@ChrisUnbias1of1 like i said when embiid plays he produces. Mitchell's productions isnt even close. You can say they both play 43 games but lets see them stats in those 43 games "boi"

[@jcmiisbeast5288]

HBD Tim

[@strawcake6359]

Please Windy watch the games instead of creating weird narratives... Curry wasn't playing 35 minutes because GSW wanted to beat Mavs badly; he was averaging low minutes because the starters didn't have to play 4th quarter for blow out games early in the season, then he got hurt which he only played 3 quarters for that game as well. The game he was back from injury he had minutes restriction, now his minutes are back to normal minutes except Cavs game which they gave up after 3rd quarter. In a normal competitive game he will always play 34-35, the games this season just went in a weird direction + his injury this season which resulted in his low minutes. Stop looking at stats and watch the games. If anything, Curry played extra during Celtics game because they wanted to win badly, which was actually unusual for Kerr.

[@KCM316]

Told Minnesota this trade will be a mistake for there team I know it’s early but so far it’s not playing out well

[@GdnationNY]

Kat is not a high volume 3 point shooter.

[@thehoboman]

"That's a helluva word if I'm using it correctly" 🤣

[@MrCopperCutters]

Pistons??? At some point, can this amazing podcast crew take a break from NY and LA? Anything about the Pistons...Please?

[@citizenx3801]

As good as Clingan is, there’s no way Portland will reduce Ayton’s value by playing him less. Portland will try to trade him by the Feb deadline.

[@itsGranj]

THAT QUOTE WAS FROM YOUR STORY BONTEMPS 😂

[@Christopher._M]

I want to know why people ever thought bridges was a DPOY level perimeter player. He went Brooklyn and they got worse on defense. He goes to the knicks ans they can't defend. It's not like he has been surrounded by bad defenders in either organization

[@16skate6]

@@Christopher._M is booker still living rent free lil bro lmao

[@RMH-cm5nt]

HBBD Bontemps! I know the comments give you a hard time, but the Cs fans like you sometimes.

[@slow_Jo]

Dallas and Minnesota are both struggling to find their mojo right now. It's still early so I'll give them more time, maybe until the new years. Minnesota's first year with Rudy was rocky as well with KAT injured most of the year.

[@doejan8549]

rudy and kat was rocky in the first year because dlo is at times bad at playmaking thus he was traded in season. but that year that gobert was traded to minnesota, kat utilized him better than any pg and coach in the timberwolves that even ant is vocal with his struggle with gobert pick and roll early in the seaon so next year they had to trade for conley. kat initiated clutch lob passes and good two man games, imagine or remember that, that gobert is giving screens to towns thats center to center pick and roll, and sometimes pick and pop with kat as the screener. unfortunately kat got injured early that season that his record that year dropped from 25pts 50/40/88 to 20pts 49/36/87 in only 29 games of the season played.

[@MerpTime]

The wolves and Knicks trade are an example, on paper it might make sense.. but you dont always have instant chemistry that makes it work. ANT and KAT had chemistry, DDV had chemistry with his villanova boys. And thats why they both worked last year. I still feel to give it some time, its only 10 regular season games into a new roster for both teams, if they struggle with this by February, then we can deem is a bad trade.

[@bloodofdepanta]

Filtering out the Celtics game Knicks are top 5 in offense top 15 defense, specifically 3rd and 13th. Knicks are good team already just need to elevate to great and that will come with reps

[@Shortballa11]

@@bloodofdepanta Knicks need to be top 10, bordering top 5 on defense with Anunoby, Mikal, and Hart in the starting lineup and Thibs as the coach. That was their identity.

[@Araq4eva]

Bontemps is the same age as LeBron...who would've thunk it? 😅

[@mk-vi5qw]

You have one point wrong: KAT NEVER was a high volume 3pt shooter with the Wolves High procentage: yes, high volumne: not at all. And that was one of the main reasons, the Wolves had such a bad and static offense the last 2 years. Love KAT, though. He really is a team guy.

[@341Michael]

Bontemps is hilarious

[@okkomp]

Was hanging out for some comment on dyson Daniels... By the way, when is Zach Lowe coming on next?

[@dskwared2u610]

Maybe Mr. bobble head won't read it but someone can relay the happy B-Day to Bontemps from somewhere in the middle. Forty's not so bad!

[@jonealp]

With Randle at 5, when healthy would have been worse, and higher risk of injury, he hurt his shoulder banging with Adebayo, he wouldn't survive that action night to night against other centers

[@mikejr.3812]

Am I crazy or did Bontemps just say Bridges' shot is the reason his defense is bad?

[@kazeke754]

Happy Birthday Bontemps! Good news is the IQ will go up every year!

[@DrivingandDelivering]

Let’s not forget these guys had Philly as the biggest off season winner and Nuggets as biggest off season loser.

[@omega3711]

Happy birthday Bontemps 🥳

[@johngoodman21]

You live with any and every Josh Hart shot

[@dreja131]

Lol windy 25:57 lmao 🤣🤣

[@willmcdonald371]

Happy birthday Bontemps. McMahon be nice to Tim

[@dustinsirois4788]

I think the knicks will be solid if they ever get Mitchell Robinson back. I never liked thr kat trade to me this teams at its best running everything thru Brunson and having lock down wings in bridges and og with Robinson shot blocking. They needed a 2 that can guard but also be dynamic offensively not a turnstile that is kat especially with the salary he takes. I get it from the wolves...they were not gonna be able to pay everyone so got rid of what they could get value for.

[@CaseyLynn-i7u]

Jacking up more 3s doesn't mean you are going to score more. More 3s mean more misses. More 3s mean less fouls being drawn. Everyone who thinks you need to jack up 50+ 3s a night to score is insane. Shooting 3s is just easier to do. It's lazy offense that really don't score that many more total points. But the 3 is better? No the 3s is easier to shoot. But it doesn't make it better. The skill of shooting the 3 is about as untalented as you can get. Players coming up now don't have a clue of getting their own shot because they are all just standing at the 3-point line waiting to miss 65% of him. The NBA is becoming skill less in overall offensive talent.