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[@dudedude31415]

17:25 David joins 25:00 Sam (he/him) - atheist wants to talk about reductio ad absurdum 34:00 Pip (they/ them) atheists talk to much about specifics and scepticism 59:44 Joshua (he/ him) - theist wants to talk about delivery of formal arguments, specifically wants a formal argument for atheism to be true 1:11:45 omega weapon (he/ him) atheist wants to falsify a specifically described abrahamic god 1:21:50 Anthony (he/ him) theist has personal experiences and claims it's supernatural 1:41:10 Ike (he/ him) atheist wants to talk about existential despair after leaving his religion 1:57:00 Lewis (he/ him) atheist wants to talk about people that don't have the tools to question religion 2:14:30 Bill (he/ him) atheist is convinced everyone is actually an atheist 2:22:00 super chats Have a nice day

[@slickvic2020]

Thank you for the timestamps. I like the simplicity of the descriptions too.

[@neothepenguin1257]

Thanks dude!

[@BobsyJo]

Great work, as always! Thx!

[@johnnehrich9601]

thanks

[@FentonMulley-cz8pv]

Bless you

[@medalion1390]

I love the fact that Joshua started off by saying he was hoping for a good-faith conversation and then immediately started being insulting and snarky when it was his turn to speak.

[@MikeHoran-th2ud]

Joshua was quite a jerk. He wanted to be a rules lawyer, but brough no skills.

[@pandorabryn]

Zen Matt was an absolute joy… hope he hosts again soon!

[@benkrapf]

I want Matt to solo good cop/bad cop and really confuse the callers.

[@botarakutabi1199]

@@benkrapfI think he joked about doing that once, where there was Matt, and Matt, and he was talking to himself as host and co-host. It would make for a funny gimmick episode, Good Cop/Bad Cop Matt. Maybe would be good for a fundraiser goal.

[@broadcastbard]

Joshua has the worst fake Michigan/Canadian accent I've heard in a while. Kudos to Matt for not feeding the troll.

[@chris999999999999]

That's what I noticed too. I'm from Michigan and right away I thought "Is he doing a fake Yooper accent?"

[@godzillaeyes]

I thought maybe he was trying to mimic Shannon Q lol

[@wyattnolte]

What are you talking aboot?

[@ThePixel1983]

He immediately sounded like a troll, trying to sound like something and failing.

[@SecularFelinist]

Sounded like some kind of filter. Is that a thing now?

[@moonytheloony6516]

Joshua could be a character on SNL with that manufactured accent. Or Joshua could be that third MacKenzie brother from SCTV, or a stereotyped character on The Family Guy. Either way he still brought nothing to this show, but he may bring laughs as a comedian, so Joshua has got that going for him. Well done Joshua, ya earned this week's Golden Propeller Beanie Award for unparalleled stupidity in the line of duty.

[@CalebSecure]

THE LINE of duty 😆

[@dylanpatterson7149]

Hey now, he knows what he’s talking ABOOT! 😂😉

[@IONAPINKMOXIE]

He's blatantly fake but why? Is he an atheist who doesn't like the show and want to attempt to embarrass Matt? Or is he a theist attempting to test out a persona? I don't get it.

[@moonytheloony6516]

@@IONAPINKMOXIE I've read your question and I have an answer... The Cybermen are using Joshua's mind as a way to transmit a signal to theirs forces who are gathering near Ganymede (one of Jupiter's large moons) for yet another attempt invade earth by way of diabolical mind control. The Cybermen's tomfoolery will not work because I discovered their dance portal, hidden behind the science library just west of Dorestshire right next to Baron Yorkingdale's avant-garde carriage house. By reversing the polarity of the neutron flow I've managed to confuse the Cyber Leader Organized Defense (known as CLOD) which will confuse them into grande uncertainty, in which they will be unsure of which planet to invade with a general nod toward Neptune therein, as it were. Once the Cyber Controller starts ordering pizzas with extra mushrooms and onions, the entire squadron will collapse like a bunch of canned broccoli! The entire thing is quite brilliant when ya really take a look at the glass menagerie constructed by the Blue Axolotls of Greater Lichtenstein. Now you got it... Tally Ho!

[@w0rmblood323]

The Family Guy lol

[@az8theist977]

The BEST thing about Biden's message about debates is when he said to Doturd "I hear you're free on Wednesdays" Brilliant LOL!

[@russellward4624]

Hes clearly a troll the way he talks with that weird accent.

[@stuboyd1194]

I watched the Joshua call first. That's gotta be the calmest response I've ever seen from Matt. I could not have replied to Joshua's bullshit the same as Matt.

[@zen-sean]

Joshua is insufferable.

[@FighterDoken]

He did more damage to his own position than help, tbh.

[@ryandean5941]

When they start off talking as fast as he did using the debate bro jargon he was using, that's already a red flag. He wasn't having a conversation nor was he looking for one.

[@Derek_Watts]

I wouldn't be surprised if he's that "triune christian god" fart sniffer, calling back with a half-baked accent. He has exactly the same attitude and conversational pattern.

[@Eyrie007]

What are you talking aboot, he was completely real and definitely not a troll.

[@Locust13]

Joshua comes out of the gate nervously tossing off a dozen insults per second and then when Matt calmly suggests that it's becoming increasingly difficult to take him seriously he starts whining "ad hom"

[@TiKallisti]

... and therefore completely in accordance with what I have come to expect from a theist.

[@Scottyjscizzle]

Honestly probably wasn’t even a theist, whole thing came off like a “lulz gottem” troll. From the fake accent to the amount of fake smart language they used.

[@AleisterCrowleyMagus]

@@Scottyjscizzle yes it was absolutely painful. He seemed to be at that young age at which he thinks that affecting accents, trying to blurb out stupid criticisms (“ramble”), and blathering on about nothing is somehow funny and/or impressive. That was just painful.

[@rabadoodledeathcat]

Joshua is Jared who has prank called so many times under different names and with a voice changer 💀

[@niblick616]

Joshua's refusal to answer any simple questions of fact demonstrates a disinclination to engage in any serious way.

[@Apostate_Alexei]

The people who complain about Matt being combative are missing the point of all of this. All he's trying to do is teach people how to use their critical thinking faculties. This is evidenced by the way he was calmly trying to explain it after Anthony's call.

[@haactgaming9687]

Great Zen mode show Matt and to everyone behind the scenes as well!

[@MasterOfDarkness42069]

Joshua saying "CAWNVERSATION", "GAWD", and "DAWDGE". lmao dude is channeling Jordan Peterson

[@Heathen.Deity.]

He’s also the dimwitted type of sloppy thinker who enables Peterson to have the fame he does.

[@Illawong]

I like the new Matt, keeping his Zen and giving good explanations. (Really a return to the old Matt).

[@WooliteMammoth]

Joshua's "right" and the way he drones on and on clues him away. He's Ronnie from a few weeks ago without the gravel voice this time.

[@polycera8570]

2:26 - Matt Intro 17:25 - David Fitzgerald joins but tech issues force his departure shortly after. 24:57 - Sam (he/him) Georgia - Atheist - Wants to talk about Reductio ad Absurdum. 33:52 - Pip (they/them) UK - Question about whether Atheist activists focus too much on specifics. 59:44 - Joshua (he/him) Michigan - Theist - Troll. 1:11:45 - Omega Weapon (he/him) - New York - Has a syllogism that could possibly falsify the Abrahamic God. 1:21:52 - Anthony (none given) - New York - Theist - Believes in God but wants Matt to explain why he doesn't. 1:41:09 - Ike (he/him) - North Carolina - Atheist - Wants to talk about existential despair upon realising there's no afterlife and his religion lied to him. 1:56:58 - Lewis (he/him) - MN - Former theist wants to talk about religion. 2:14:30 - Bill (he/him) - Texas - Atheist - Has a theory that everyone is actually an atheist. 2:21:56 - Superchats.

[@CalebSecure]

Joshua might be the caller thats made me go 'WTF?!?!' more than any ive ever heard

[@Mr_Porter]

I will never understand why callers like Joshua think coming in with a super smug persona will work in their favor when debating Matt. They must be familiar with his debating style, yet they somehow believe his reaction will be different from what they've seen. It makes no sense to me.

[@Blazingbiskit]

They're Soundbite Reactionaries, coincidentally the name of my new prog rock band.

[@beecat4183]

That Joshua dork, jeezus don't give him oxygen.

[@PlayzieBum]

@@Blazingbiskitcringe joke

[@kentonbaird1723]

All of their many perceived internet victories on reddit leave them unprepared for actual real-world conversation.

[@BlarglemanTheSkeptic2]

​@@Blazingbiskit ooooh, sounds edgy! 🤣

[@SudroCypherious]

Thanks again for having me on! Omega Weapon here

[@Eyrie007]

I think to really the boil down all of this is I don't understand how anyone could understand the being they describe as a God. The omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, being that exists outside of a realm that we can't investigate and somehow also interacts with us. If that being were to reveal itself any of us, the correct assessment would be, this thing is lying, I'm experiencing psychosis, or it could be an alien with sufficient technology. The idea that people can tell me that they know what this thing is are definitely lying to themselves, there's no way you could possibly know that, that's why they default to "faith".

[@rboland2173]

Random atheist commenter here: I have a question(s) that might be up your alley since you mentioned "outside spacetime" in your call. I hear a lot of talk from both theists and atheists about god being (or not being) outside of space & time/spacetime. My questions are thus: where in the Bible does it specifically state that God had to be outside of time & space to create the universe? Is this idea just implied/assumed by the Bible authors? By universe I mean whatever concept of "universe" was understood by the authors. Did the authors even have any idea of what "spacetime" was? Did the authors - especially of the Old Testament - even make a distinction between physical "reality" and the supernatural in the manner that most rational people do today? Was their worldview much more restrictive than it is today? So many theists today posit that the creator of the universe MUST BE * "outside of time & space" AKA not subject to the physical limitations of our universe as we know them. But is this a modern take on it? * It amuses me & confuses me how so many preachers, apologists and Christians in general seem to know all of God's specific capabilities/operating parameters, reasoning, motivations, agenda, etcetera! 🤣"God has no choice but to send sinners to eternal torture!" Really now? Where in the Bible does it say that God's hands are tied on this issue? God seems to change his mind about things and even express regret for bad decisions. So we all have "free will" EXCEPT GOD who must think, function, and behave according to what his followers dictate? When did God die and make the Christians boss? 🤣

[@easymoneysniper9013]

Omg bro said you're RAMBLING yaaaaassssssss this level of pettiness is what I NEED 😂😂

[@questianna]

Immediately, I thought Joshua was a prank call because of his fake voice, snarky attitude, and Red Bull vibe.

[@nietzschescodes]

I think he tried to make an impression of Jordan Peterson.

[@IONAPINKMOXIE]

Same

[@Locust13]

Maybe that goof Ronnie. At least he changed his voice between calls, unlike "MrBritish/John"

[@AmberAmber]

Red Bull Vibe is gonna be my next pet's name😂❤❤❤❤❤

[@questianna]

@@AmberAmber Kitten?

[@rickbenjamin6134]

Dunning and Kruger would be very interested in meeting Joshua as he meets all their criteria for inclusion

[@Elena_7839]

For me, learning that there might not be an afterlife actually helped me realize that all I have is right now and I should live my life how I want and simply cherish the moments I have with those I love. Not having a guarantee of an afterlife can suck, but its also liberating in that you're able to cherish life a little more, at least it is for me.

[@jacketrussell]

Keep up the Zen, Matt. The show is much more watchable when you're calm and measured. The way you handled Joshua was a masterclass.

[@easymoneysniper9013]

Omg Joshua. You sweet sweet fool 😂😂

[@fasillimerick7394]

I've been to Canada a few times, and "Joshua" had one of the worst fake Canadian accents I've heard. I think it was an homage to an actual Canadian caller who was a Darth Dawkins acolyte who would keep saying "right" during his calls.

[@RoozleDoozle-9210]

I happen to be in Florida all week due to family matters but there’s no way my mom would let me go to that event… oh well

[@LogicAndReason2025]

When deciding if a joke is PC or not, maybe if people just thought: "Am I being a jerk" before telling it, it would go a long way.

[@mythicalducky]

A joke doesn't even need to be pc it just shouldn't tear others down

[@boblangford5514]

Joshua, unless your goal was to completely humiliate yourself, you failed miserably.

[@Locust13]

Matt is probably best known for explaining logic in a way that easily digestible to anyone, so for Anthony to call in and say Matt is a hero of his and then proceed to commit half a dozen named logical fallacies was kind of hilarious. But also kind of sad, hearing a grown man say things like "well do you have another explanation" or "I don't understand what it could be so it must be this" ...this is basic logic 101, kindergarten level logic, I mean, he literally said "I look at the trees" critical thinking should be taught in schools, identifying logical fallacies should be taught in schools.

[@senthordika]

Epistemology and source methodology need to be classes in schools and should be counted as fundamentals like Maths and English

[@boblangford5514]

I was lucky enough to have an English teacher teach about logical fallacies when I was in high school. We did a whole unit on it when covering persuasive writing. It is really sad that so many people do not get a better education.

[@SudroCypherious]

He's definitely helped me with understanding and utilizing logic and sound epistemology

[@rboland2173]

I would suggest to Anthony - and to all the believers in the supernatural - to simply make a physical list every time he experiences something "unexplained" or unusual. Write down any & all possible explanations you or others who may have also witnessed it can think of. If you want to list "God did it!" or some other supernatural reason, go ahead. But then start exploring & examining all the different possible explanations. You may end up with "God did it" after eliminating all the other choices, but I would venture to say that you won't if you are doing an honest & thorough investigation. Just my 2 cents!

[@nietzschescodes]

Great and interesting rant at the end of the show. Love it.

[@jmcarp0]

The rant at the end was amazing. It might not have been long enough, but i think you did sum it up super well.

[@medalion1390]

I think Anthony's entire argument can be summed up with "Putting the cart before the horse".

[@rboland2173]

At around 1:25:14 Matt asks Anthony how he knew that the weird light he saw was supernatural. A fair question, but my question to Anthony would be "how do you know that the supernatural light you saw was from God and not from a demon or other supernatural entity - or even a DIFFERENT god than the one you believe in?" Sidenote - Anthony said (paraphrasing) look at the trees. 😮‍💨 WHY are "trees" the default choice of evidence for a god when observing the outdoor world around us? If anything, trees prove evolution via there being so many very closely genetically related but still separate species of oak trees (for example)!

[@MarxistMomentum]

Honestly, I think that callers, or at least the ones that seem unhinged, should be muted when a host is talking.

[@cameronmcgehee]

They already do this quite often.

[@nietzschescodes]

I thought that show was called The Muted Experience.

[@boblangford5514]

Absolutely callers should be muted when the hosts ate talking. All the background noise - heavy breathing, clipping, crying kids, barking dogs, blustery wind, etc etc is so annoying.

[@easymoneysniper9013]

Nooo then they'd never get told to shut the fck up and that's like 3 quarters of the reason I watch 😂😂

[@botarakutabi1199]

@@nietzschescodesAfter Matt left it seems like the ACA forgot how the mute button works. One of the many reasons I prefer The Line, they mute callers when their input/background audio isn't helpful.

[@soulbeatzmajor]

I don’t always have time to read but I almost always have time to listen. Are the book in audio format?

[@richardb7495]

For IKE depending on where in NC you are there are freethinker groups: Triangle Free thought Society is one group ive found based in the middle of the state. Hope you see this and it helps!! ❤

[@carlao7157]

We don't talk like that in Michigan 😂

[@biff2k2]

Watch “it’s always sunny in Philadelphia” where Mac and Dennis debate evolution. It’s very apt to the first call.

[@Imfreehowaboutu]

Recently I heard a theist reference that episode as an argument for theism. It was almost as funny as the episode itself.

[@mikebell4649]

As people get older seeing balls of light are common! U can also see flashes as the vitreous pulls away from the retina!

[@an9l1c1sm6]

I am 99% certain Joshua is a troll using a pre-prompted chatGPT script. Also, he might be using voice changer in other calls to sound more obnoxious - Same cadence as that other guy calling in a while back.

[@MasterOfDarkness42069]

Definitely the same guy. It's always the same fast-talking nonsense where he's trying way too hard to sound intelligent, but rather comes off as unintelligible as he is smug.

[@boblangford5514]

Also, whenever a host asks him a question, Joshua says something like, “Ok, well, I guess you aren’t smart enough to understand my position,” and then just simply repeats himself. This is actually evidence that Joshua doesn’t understand his own arguments. If you cannot explain your argument more than one way by using your own words, but instead are only able to read from a script, you don’t actually understand the argument.

[@simonl1135]

@Anthony, since you're asking "the people who listen", then my first thought would be that you were hallucinating (for whatever reason, drugs, heat stroke, alcohol, bad food, brain "short circuited") and the second that you're simply remembering wrong. This happens to humans all the time. Many, many times I was completely certain that I remembered something perfectly (from stuff that I've experienced like movies watched to events I participated in) only to find out from pictures or recordings that I was completely wrong on anything from small to significant details. In fact on many of those occasions a friend of mine who was a part of that same past experience would argue with me that my memories are wrong and that his memories are correct and then the pictures or records would show that NEITHER one of us was remembering it correctly. In fact on a funny side note, my wife who would know me (obviously) very well and that particular friends also quite well and for long would often later tell me that sometimes she would witness the two of us talk about past events and _while talking_ add details to those memories that we were fabricating on the go and at the same time _confirm_ this new fabricated version of the past event by basically building up a new version and affirming it to ourselves in a feedback loop. She would then point to me the stuff we would make up and somehow she was always right and the "memories" that me and Chris had "shared", despite being vivid and stuff we would both absolutely agree on, would turn out wrong. This is just how human memory works. It's not really a memory of the actual event(s), it's - in short - a memory of a memory of a memory.

[@mikedtw]

Well said, friend. I would have asked Anthony if he was on LSD or mushrooms; and has he ever had a brain scan for tumors/cancer. And I'd pay money to have his police officer son come on and tell us about this supposedly shared sighting of a fireball in the bedroom - when logic would dictate a call to 911 IMHO

[@hayuseen6683]

Out of curiosity when you remember an event where you had an emotional state, do you have the same emotional state as your point of view in the memory? Does remembering one time you were angry make you angry again, etc?

[@rboland2173]

HA! Good point about a memory being a memory of a memory and not the actual event. Sometimes when watching a movie I think "WAIT! That's not how that line goes. Am I watching some director's cut or something?" 🤨There is a great study about memory accuracy concerning September 11 WTC. People start recounting what happened to them personally and as time goes on (weeks, months, years) the accuracy of their memory nosedives accordingly. Anyway, back to the supernatural, concerning seeing "ghosts" when somebody close to you passes away. It's very common for people to interpret unexplained things as being the ghost/spirit of a very recently deceased loved one, but these experiences fade in frequency over time. I think it's because our brains are so temporarily "scrambled" because of the tremendous emotional upheaval from the tragic event. We aren't thinking rationally for obvious reasons. And often a group of people (family members perhaps) will claim that they saw/experienced the same ghostly event because ALL of their brains are in a state of overwhelming confusion. Yet a year or so later if you ask these same people about any specific details about anything - even mundane/routine things not related to the passing of their loved one - they will often say "those first few weeks were a blur! I was on mental autopilot the whole time. All the days kind of blended together." So considering these very common aspects of highly charged human emotions and degrading memory of any event under the BEST conditions let alone the WORST - can we honestly believe that the stories of Jesus - written decades after his crucifixion - are even close to being true & accurate? Sorry Christians - the human propensity for telling ourselves & others stories that change despite our best efforts to keep them straight - combined with our emotions running haywire - puts the odds for the Bible being true at "slim to none" by my reasoning. Forget all the alleged "miracles" Jesus performed - the only miracle would be human brains that - for one brief period in all of human history - had perfectly functioning memories.

[@human_hope]

Didn't know Michigan was in Canada!

[@giladpachter4546]

The best show closure of all times ❤❤❤

[@alteredendeavor]

This is the best Matt. Measured, articulate, and patient. Keep it up!

[@kellythompson3865]

Trump won't show. He's going to Barrons graduation.

[@David34981]

Or Eric's birthday party, it happens to be on a Wednesday.

[@user-bf1lr9te2t]

Joshua's argument: "I'm a dick therefore my god claim is true!"

[@RoozleDoozle-9210]

No way Joshua was real. His accent wasn’t real. He blatantly disses Matt a bunch in his call. He’s just there to try and be rude and get whatever clips he wants from it.

[@WynnterGreen]

Anthony, bless your kindergarten logic and your little cotton sox.

[@Rage867]

Well at least Joshua is happy to be so unintelligent

[@badatheist9948]

one of my favorite people in the atheist community. i have every one of his auduiobooks

[@panthervoodoo]

Matt, Jedi-calm trait unlocked. Man, my admiration for your dedication and growth as a human being is great.

[@Amalekites]

I had a fight with my partner a few days ago. And because of that I later saw Santa Claus having a dance-off with Star-Lord..

[@user-zt5gp3br8y]

Moderately, religious people can be a potential ticking bomb. When i was religious, i used to feel guilty for not being a good muslim and would go through periods of being very pious and trying to follow every rule. I think what saved me was the fact that I am a woman. I got tired of being told i was less intelligent than men. The fact that I loved reading set me on the path of finding out the truth for myself. Now i am an ex muslim who is unfortunately in the closet for obvious reasons.

[@aicram62]

Meidas Touch has been doing a great job of explainng the laws that are in play.

[@falsenarrativecults6235]

Joshua is the worse type of person to represent the theist’s position over the internet. Every theist who is serious about their position should find out who that troll is and take away his internet access!

[@jonnowds]

Joshua is trying to put on a character to see what will break Matt’s zen. Period.

[@brucemadge8147]

Joshua is Canadian Catholic using a voice changer or putting on a stupid accent...listen carefully.

[@MichielvanderMeulen]

Pip, I think religious people's beliefs are constructed to support their god belief, not the other way around. In that light questioning their beliefs will be less effective than questioning the foundation for their god.

[@ThatGuy-ot1gt]

Anthony should check the air quality in his home. Maybe it's carbon monoxide. lol

[@macdougdoug]

1:57:00 Lewis (he/ him) - I agree with the caller, in the sense that rationality (rather than belief) is not available in most cultures. The idea that concepts at odds with the concepts of my kinship culture can actually be considered is not habitual in most parts of the world. Humanism (rather than Tribalism), Logic (rather than belief) are things that only arose a few hundred years ago in Northern Europe (ie. the Renaissance)

[@Vondoodle]

Anthony said trees 🌴 😭

[@Amalekites]

I've seen those too. They're so cool. 🤭

[@Vondoodle]

@@Amalekites hurrah for trees

[@Amalekites]

@@Vondoodle Indeed! 🤘

[@dannolte5384]

I really hope Joshua doesn't turn into another Mr Delicious

[@nietzschescodes]

I think Matt used to love Ricky Gervais, today probably not so much anymore…

[@caseyjackson6672]

I think Joshua is Canadian Catholic, the mannerisms in how they talk are the same and it sounds like he is using a voice changer.

[@brucemadge8147]

I thought that too

[@l.b.curlew7929]

Im convinced half the callers now are just trolls

[@paulrichards6894]

Is joshua related to SIRI

[@erinclark5681]

Are we suuurrrrre Joshua wasn't the return of Canadian Catholic? Or is there another troll from more recent history that I just can't put my finger on? EDIT: I take it back, voice is too deep. It must be someone else from recent calls. Also, for Anthony: I don't know about his first "fireball" descriptions, but the last "sparkling firecracker" description sounds kinda close to aura migraines I've had.

[@thrumbo1603]

On the topic of black creators: Jovan Bradley is a fantastic content creator who regularly does debates on politics and lgbt issues. Would love to see him either hosting a show or guesting.

[@Stevesautopartsify]

It's painful when Matt desperately tries to lead a caller by the hand with logic and the caller just doesn't have the epistemology to comprehend. I'm talking to you Anthony!!

[@simonl1135]

Also, Lewis never said that some people are so stupid that they are religious/need religion, he literally said that some people are not only conditioned from a very early age to be religious, but also are denied education and therefore reasoning tools to break out of it. This is what is still happening in many countries (not just African, but European and American too) and on a much larger scale that many people realize. Where I live I have churches all over the town in 20-25 minute walking distance from each other and in the space between them on average 1 out of every 2 billboards is "praising the Lord", call to "praise the Christ, for he is risen", advice that "prayer is the tool of the humble" or some such or scream out some propaganda bullshit like "studies show that only X percentage of Christian marriages in which both spouses pray daily and pray together end in divorces!"

[@CalebSecure]

Ike I'm here in NC too bud. Was a southern Baptist. I feel your pain. Reply & we can get together.

[@DadeMurphy666]

1:39:01

[@QuaranteQuatre44]

Genetically Modified Skeptick does a lot of KZbin regarding deconstructing, adapting, dealing with the exit from faith and religious communities, I'm mostly addressing Ike, but best wishes to all

[@geodad4782]

Along the lines of the conversation with Omega Weapon, wouldn’t a perfect being look like the description of the Deistic god? Just push the button and don’t interact? That would make any perfect being indistinguishable from a being that doesn’t exist. Thoughts?

[@SudroCypherious]

Omega Weapon here. It all depends on the definition/usage of "perfection" imo. I've debated theists who describe the Abrahamic god in that way and define perfection as maximized in every conceivable way. That logically would entail it's completely self sustaining and self content. Following that reasoning such a being would have no needs or desires. Including the need or desire to create anything in the first place, much less require "glorification" from it's creations. Lest in be *not* maximized in those areas.

[@AleisterCrowleyMagus]

It is honestly scary to me like folks like Anthony decide that “golden sparks” somehow prove the existence of the Abrahamic god. How very very little they expect as *proof* from a being that supposedly created the UNIVERSE ffs - this god does nothing else for them yet they hug the random golden sparks notion (“I saw some golden sparks in my room”) as *proof* of a massively powerful deity that otherwise does nothing for them…sigh.

[@cullenarthur8879]

I saw Bill Burr shut down Bill Maher on a Humanist Report video. It was fucking hilarious! I haven't watched Bill Maher in years. He's basically just a anti Trump Republican at this point. He became really bitter as he grew older. He's never been funny in my opinion.

[@SudroCypherious]

He used to be years ago, but his shift to being a conservative, "anti woke" republican baffles me.

[@cullenarthur8879]

​@@SudroCypheriousI used to watch him years ago, mostly because of his guests, but I never thought he was a good comedian. His jokes were lame, and told in a kind of outdated Johnny Carson or Jay Leno style. I remember when he would tell a bad, unfunny joke, his audience wouldn't laugh, and he would blame his audience for being too up tight to get it. Only shitty comedians blame the audience for their bad joke. He also seemed like a slimy jerk to me. After he leaned hard into the "anti woke" stuff and started complaining about trans people all the time, he became insufferable and I turned him off.

[@rickwilliams7431]

*Faith: **_Making the leap_** ;* Caller Anthony: Standing firmly on a foundation of "I don't know", Anthony can conclusively confirm that his experience was not natural, but was in fact super natural. Based upon his complete knowledge of the natural world, of course.

[@technomancermagus8357]

Anthony claims this keeps happening to him, why wouldn't he take pictures of it and video it?

[@nullverba856]

*Q.* - _Is Matt too mean?_ *A.* - Not *too* mean. And meanness that is eventually commensurate to the level of dishonesty and evasiveness displayed by one's interlocutor seems entirely appropriate and uncontroversial to me.

[@Deutsch-um6rt]

Dillahoundy is just a dog that needs to be unleashed every now and then for those fierce theists that won’t listen. Those who we should pay attention to are usually patient and the true face of humanism

[@nullverba856]

Hah! The "Joshua (he/him) in MI" Character is one of the most accurate parodies of excruciatingly condescending apologetics I've seen in quite a long time. If you'd drank a shot of your favorite booze every time he offered up a gratuitous snort of derision ... you'd have been sloshed in no time flat.

[@archedigm]

How impressive is Lewis? 👏

[@AmberAmber]

Jimmy Carr is super silly funny!! ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

[@rboland2173]

Is it just me or does David Fitzgerald resemble Conan O'Brien's sidekick Andy Richter? 🤔

[@oliverthompson9922]

1:43:00 I never really noticed that about Gen V, but I remember thinking exactly the same thing when I watched that Dr who spin off , torchwood. Because it was supposed to be for adults, instead of saying , "get to the Tardis" they would say "get to the fucking Tardis" I found it totally cringe and, ironically, made it seem even more childish than Dr Who.

[@simonkoster]

Anthony can't explain his experience, therefore he has an explanation.

[@Leard293]

Joshua seems like some sort of Minnesotan/Canadian chat bot troll. Do people actually have that accent? I can't believe somebody can sound like such a meme without putting on that accent.

[@melodygarrison7531]

If you see something in this world then it’s not other worldly

[@averycoleman2422]

Joshua is Canadian catholic.

[@thefub101]

Where's the video Anthony ?

[@kentonbaird1723]

This. The guy claims that not only are these events happening often, but that other people have seen them... and yet, he is NOT famous. I expect he would be, if he could present evidence of constant supernatural happening.

[@jamiegallier2106]

Yeah, Anthony! Bring it on 🤡

[@MMAGUY13]

I’m Anthony . I’m the one that called on the video. I said this happened for a two or three year period. They weren’t even camera cell phones back then or I would’ve tried to video it and the times I prayed. I always have my video camera now now in case, the Lord ever starts doing things like that again. But I do have something tangible. I was praying once my wife comes in the room to get something. She’s walking out she stops and she looks at me. She sees. I’m covered with gold. That was a phenomenon that was happening to people and that church. They would pray and gold would appear on them, so we get tweezers we start taking the gold flakes off my forehead and my face and then I brought them down to a place and got tested and it was actual gold all over me pure gold and the man said it was really the finest gold he’s ever seen and I still have that to this day. I have it in a napkin

[@kentonbaird1723]

@@MMAGUY13 Funny how people always have a convenient excuse for why they can't provide proof of their alien abductions, their boardroom meetings with the Devil, or the Methane leak masquerading as will-o-wisps in your room. Here's the deal, Anthony: If your little Palestinian regional blood-god DOES exist, and DID make you and your hillbilly kin see some funky blue orbs..... Then he screwed with you. He showed you pointless nothing magic tricks that did nothing to benefit your life or the lives of those around you, - certainly not the lives of anyone in need - and then he left you with an anecdote, a story with no substance, that proves nothing to anybody that cannot be legitimized in any way and proves not a damned thing. If this was a sign from that very, very recent middle eastern deity, the patron of lumpy white people, then he's making you look like a fool.

[@Julian0101]

​@@MMAGUY13 How convenient your god only does things to people who cannot demonstrate it was from him and at times when no one cannot record the events to check if It even happened later. Just story about your wife is just another example of that.

[@flowingafterglow629]

Re: Joshua How can I show that "atheism is true" for atheism being "belief that no gods exist" Step 1: Define god. I can't talk about a belief "YYY doesn't exist" without knowing exactly what is meant by YYY. From a definition of YYY, I can hypothesize expected evidence and observations that would result for the existence of YYY. It would need to be falsifiable, and not something non-discriminatory like "God is the creator of the universe. Therefore, the universe is evidence for God." And continue on from there. If there is no version of god that is hiding and ultimately can't be tested, I don't care.

[@diannanagelvoortsaltz469]

Hey it was a great deal of effort to put those words together…..

[@Julian0101]

My favorite answer to that question is: "Sure, atheism means to not believe in a god, the evidence is that i dont believe in a god, therefore atheism remains true.... What? that is not what you mean? Then define your terms."

[@sh91899]

Why not take a photo of the ball of light?

[@keithshayler1972]

Incel vibes from Joshua

[@birdieerdie2349]

I dare you to listen to Joshua at 1.75x speed😁

[@mthokozisilanga4497]

This caller from the Southern Africa, where I was born raised and worked there, is not telling the whole truth. My mom became an atheist when she was 69yrs old and now she is 82. We have Humanists, Atheist Republic members in South Africa. We have a lot of uneducated people who are not religious, though a minority, but the conversations are held. Yes it is difficult but really it is not only education or exposure that keeps people believing, the majority of educated and well off South Africans are religious. All I can say is that there are more challenges when it comes to religion, but to say adults would not change their mind, my mother did without much education.

[@rueh69]

I don't know if Joshua was trying to play a character of someone who sniffs their own farts or not. If he was he nailed though.

[@bodricpriest8816]

Was Joshua a troll or trying for a clip to post or what?

[@Leith_Crowther]

Yes.

[@batsy75]

Best trans joke by Jimmy Carr : "Trans people are not what they used to be"

[@Leith_Crowther]

Still false and potentially offensive, like most things Jimmy Carr says, but also the thrust of the punchline isn’t that it insults trans people but the wordplay over it. I see that as a redeeming quality to Jimmy Carr jokes over other comedians whose punchline is that their selected marginalized group is whiny, privileged, a stereotype, or deserving what they get.

[@theunholinesswithin70]

My question for Anthony is why he wants the supernatural to exist.

[@robertsreflektioner6208]

Regarding Tarik Alsafi's syllogism in the superchats. Many christians will say that the babies killed by the flood were sinful and not innocent (due to the idea about original sin due to the Fall of Adam & Eve, the sins of the father being passed to the offspring etc) so that it was in fact a morally good thing for god to kill them. And if that is their position (horrible as it is), they reject your premises and your syllogism won't hold up, so then it becomes a whole other discussion.

[@truthfreesusall]

Matt's Comedian on religion Probably Dave Allen 🙃