Isaiah Berlin Memorial Lecture 2018: Stephen Kotkin

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The 10th Isaiah Berlin Memorial Lecture in Riga "Turning Points: Yesterday’s World, and Tomorrow’s" by Professor Stephen Kotkin, American historian, author and professor in history and international affairs at Princeton University. / December 13, 2018/
Desmitā Jesajas Berlina piemiņai veltītā lekcija “Pagrieziena punkti: vakardienas un rītdienas pasaule”
Prof. Stīvens Kotkins (Stephen Kotkin), amerikāņu vēsturnieks, vairāku grāmatu autors un Prinstonas Universitātes profesors.
2018. gada 13. decembrī
www.isaiahberlin.org

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@jeannettejordan7104
@jeannettejordan7104 Жыл бұрын
I always learn so much from Stephen Kotkin. His lectures are so on point and force a reality that we all should be aware of.
@thesparrow3902
@thesparrow3902 Жыл бұрын
AGREE.
@OziBlokeTimG
@OziBlokeTimG Жыл бұрын
Fantastic, pure genius and also a sense of humour. I love him.
@sbaumgartner9848
@sbaumgartner9848 Жыл бұрын
It's also how I feel about him. He's also very generous with his time and always polite and respectful of others.
@OziBlokeTimG
@OziBlokeTimG Жыл бұрын
@S Baumgartner Agreed, very inspirational personality.
@patriley1026
@patriley1026 2 жыл бұрын
Professor Kotkin speaks like Joe Pesci's character in "My Cousin Vinny" with his tonal sounds and diction. He is very well thought out and logical.
@davidchou1675
@davidchou1675 2 жыл бұрын
Dat's Brooklyn fer ya!
@ElaineMLove
@ElaineMLove 2 жыл бұрын
Your right !! Nailed it!!
@nonz3r0
@nonz3r0 Жыл бұрын
Exaaactly hahaha I been saying this since I listened to him for the first time years ago. What an incredible wealth of knowledge and brilliant way of delivery! It’s a privilege to have access to people like him via technology…
@bn2870
@bn2870 Жыл бұрын
He just addresses that on an episode of The Goodfellows 😂
@witoldnapiorkowski2631
@witoldnapiorkowski2631 10 ай бұрын
You are right! And not only to New Yorkers - perhaps all the more mesmerizing, homey Brooklyn-Joisey style of imparting spot-on knowledge and wisdom. Gotta be grateful for him.🙌
@commiegobbledygook3138
@commiegobbledygook3138 3 жыл бұрын
History Majors of the world, unite! Kotkin is a major prophet of world history!
@cyruscohan9453
@cyruscohan9453 5 жыл бұрын
We love professor Pesci!
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 5 жыл бұрын
Tedious ref to a pop movie is dismaying and pitiful.
@svendbosanvovski4241
@svendbosanvovski4241 4 жыл бұрын
Silly comment.
@dmonarredmonarre3076
@dmonarredmonarre3076 3 жыл бұрын
Whoa whoa whoa. You tryin to be funny? Funny how?
@erc9468
@erc9468 3 жыл бұрын
No kidding. He turned off Pesci and instead turned on the Bond Villain accent. Weird.
@Johnconno
@Johnconno 3 жыл бұрын
@@erc9468 Actors Studio.
@federicozimerman8167
@federicozimerman8167 Жыл бұрын
Great lecture, this man is the definition of intelligence and knowledge.
@lnpsych1
@lnpsych1 9 ай бұрын
always been an idiot since I remember him in the 90s in Oxford
@taehwanpeter
@taehwanpeter 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this amazing lecture. Professor Kotkin is one of the most brilliant minds of our age.
@alo1692
@alo1692 4 жыл бұрын
He is terrible. Stephen Cohen is much better.
@williameadie8550
@williameadie8550 3 жыл бұрын
@@alo1692 I think both are incredible scholars and lecturers.
@drinidracini2013
@drinidracini2013 2 жыл бұрын
Xs88s8sI
@nicks3350
@nicks3350 2 жыл бұрын
He’s my favorite lecturer by a mile.
@georgecherian6520
@georgecherian6520 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent talk on history and fascism. This is the best talk that I have heard the real things in history without blaming anyone.
@kingsugulleh
@kingsugulleh 2 жыл бұрын
micheal parenti is much better
@andrewthornber7783
@andrewthornber7783 5 жыл бұрын
I could listen to Kotkin 24/7. So interesting and thought provoking. Even when I don’t agree he is amazing to listen to.
@ned900
@ned900 5 жыл бұрын
he thinks he has a place in world, he has a sense of importance, and he is correct, he is a master storyteller.
@dandiacal
@dandiacal 5 жыл бұрын
He's also very funny. bringing a sense of humor to a field not always known for that.
@VladTokarev
@VladTokarev 5 жыл бұрын
He is an amazing speaker, intellectual and historian. He needs to be an adviser for all US Presidents.
@davidbuda
@davidbuda 5 жыл бұрын
@@VladTokarev You are so correct!
@Ynotnow9900
@Ynotnow9900 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed. So important for a historian to be listenable. No notes, just big brass balls
@botinface53
@botinface53 5 жыл бұрын
This guy feeds my mind...
@uhoh007
@uhoh007 3 жыл бұрын
This is the best Kotkin I've heard yet. What I miss is the enviromental downside of "the American Story".
@acommon1
@acommon1 3 жыл бұрын
Superb Historian!!!! Professor Stephen Kotkin shares relevant detains in such an tone, tenor, and tempo easily consumed by a Commoner as I. Thanks for sharing. I love statesmen like Prof. Kotkin that allows us to connect the dots.
@TheDavidlloydjones
@TheDavidlloydjones 3 жыл бұрын
At one point during WWII, Irving Berlin, the composer, was invited to a Cabinet meeting at 10 Downing Street. At one point, as they went around the table, PM Churchill asked "And Professor Berlin, what do you think?" at which point he gave his view -- and added that he thought they had the wrong Berlin there. :-)
@Floxflow
@Floxflow 5 жыл бұрын
This guy is brilliant
@TheJojoaruba52
@TheJojoaruba52 2 жыл бұрын
"What else would you do at Princeton with a laptop during my lecture when you are paying $70000 a year for tuition than buy clothes?" 😂😂😂
@yogi1kenobi
@yogi1kenobi 2 жыл бұрын
True
@UTubeISphere
@UTubeISphere Жыл бұрын
35:25 lol !
@chuckmartin935
@chuckmartin935 3 жыл бұрын
This dude is a skilled and awesome lecturer.
@moosehead4497
@moosehead4497 3 жыл бұрын
brilliant clear speaker, thank you stephen kotkin
@margaritaisakova1909
@margaritaisakova1909 5 жыл бұрын
a brilianr lecture by a great scholar..
@Acut3000
@Acut3000 9 ай бұрын
Always on point Mr. Kotkin. Great analysis and comparisons. Listen to the message people not the accent, he delivers it in.
@harryaarrestad583
@harryaarrestad583 Жыл бұрын
Mr . Kotkin style of delivery is mesmerizing to me , hopefully I’m not the only one .
@robbie_
@robbie_ 5 жыл бұрын
Fascinating analysis. Thank you for sharing.
@Alex88148
@Alex88148 10 ай бұрын
My favourite speaker of all
@jjforcebreaker
@jjforcebreaker 5 жыл бұрын
Great talk!
@gsilcoful
@gsilcoful 5 жыл бұрын
Great lecture.
@richardhausig9493
@richardhausig9493 3 ай бұрын
My WWI and Treaty of Versailles go to is usually Margret MacMillan but Prof Kotkin is as good a lecturer as has ever lived.
@chuckmartin935
@chuckmartin935 3 жыл бұрын
Professor kotlin- dont worry about talking a little over alotted time- people would still stay and listen.
@Renuars
@Renuars 4 жыл бұрын
Damn, had I known he was in my city... But I didnt know him back then at all.
@dimitri1946
@dimitri1946 10 ай бұрын
This guy presents history the way he and his kind choose to.
@Trinitypater
@Trinitypater 3 жыл бұрын
Omg he is brilliant!
@erpthompsonqueen9130
@erpthompsonqueen9130 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@seanmellows1348
@seanmellows1348 4 ай бұрын
Excellent, start to finish.
@mishacknthane1060
@mishacknthane1060 2 жыл бұрын
He is the greatest historian I'm greatful to have met
@jamesyanchek779
@jamesyanchek779 3 жыл бұрын
This is the "realest" Realpolitik I've ever heard. As a military force in WWII, the Soviet Russian Empire was something of a Thanksgiving turkey. It was a hollow, gutted dead bird stuffed full of British & American weapons, food & other goods. W/o this Western substantiation of Russia, it could not have survived any better then the czar's empire had.
@yogi1kenobi
@yogi1kenobi 2 жыл бұрын
Czars would not havelost its command structure a few years earlier
@user-wv9cu4ct6d
@user-wv9cu4ct6d Жыл бұрын
Soviet Russian Empire was the one that defeated Germany while US and UK were pretending they will open western front and only did it when German armies back was broken by USSR...only thing US army was superior compared to USSR was killing civilians, US ratio of killed civilains vs US soldiers was only close to the Nazi Germans...
@richardcory5024
@richardcory5024 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant.
@Athenaikos
@Athenaikos 3 жыл бұрын
Kotkin is a good story-teller with a Joe Pesci accent. Meaning, a great success.
@montagueedwards4268
@montagueedwards4268 8 ай бұрын
Clear and concise he is without peer
@maxheadrom3088
@maxheadrom3088 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! This must be awesome!
@alison6321
@alison6321 2 жыл бұрын
It's exactly time to watch this amazing lecture today this year. We are living together with Chinese meddle class who give market, threat or wisdom etc at the same time. I cannot admire Professor Kotkin too much. And yes train comes just by seconds here.
@suzettejansen9808
@suzettejansen9808 2 жыл бұрын
So you are going
@dengchengshan3527
@dengchengshan3527 2 жыл бұрын
To him China is an illusion. Bet is China is just distraction.
@vijay-1
@vijay-1 Жыл бұрын
Insightful
@Mocoso7
@Mocoso7 2 жыл бұрын
ty steven!
@oO-_-_-_-Oo
@oO-_-_-_-Oo 2 жыл бұрын
Kotkin was a great find.
@ahahaha3505
@ahahaha3505 Жыл бұрын
The Q&A at the end is very interesting.
@mikhailfranco
@mikhailfranco 2 жыл бұрын
Tremendous - a great insight in every paragraph. Kotkin is patient and nuanced in his analysis. His turning points share the dates given by others but his reasons have so much more insight from the archives all reinforced by deep understanding and eloquent explanation. It is good that Hitler was destroyed so completely and so relatively quickly (however, at great cost) but such a shame for humanity that Stalin and Mao perpetuated their cruel dystopian nightmares for so long. I would prefer that all three were quickly dispatched to the 10th circle of Hell beyond all others in the depth of their psychopathic indifference to suffering (with Pol Pot and King Leopold II following close behind into the inferno). We are faced with the fact that individuals really do affect history and we should hope for a once and future Churchill or Roosevelt to combat the totalitarian destruction of our freedoms. Be brave so that civilization does not fall. We will all be called to defend what we love. We will stand.
@peterhogberg
@peterhogberg Жыл бұрын
Att
@colaturkalures
@colaturkalures 4 жыл бұрын
Doing a kotkin marathon hbu
@inappropriatern8060
@inappropriatern8060 4 жыл бұрын
For the last month.
@beaudweiser
@beaudweiser 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@drunkenlizard2
@drunkenlizard2 2 жыл бұрын
terrific
@svendbosanvovski4241
@svendbosanvovski4241 4 жыл бұрын
This is what real scholarship is about. Getting to the truth of the matter. Professor Kotkin makes no bones about his moral perspective , but doesn't allow that to cloud his analysis of the empirical sources. It seems to me that like all great actors, he doesn't inject himself into the subject: it is not about him, but about these earth shattering events he describes with astonishing objectivity. I don't agree with some of his observations ("not in the USA's DNA to be globally engaged", for example, when it has over 1,000 bases around the globe), but that's knit-picking. The force of his exposition is extremely powerful and with the right balance of sympathy.
@crazymulgogi
@crazymulgogi 3 жыл бұрын
Actual the point where you disagree is a crucial one. (I disagree there too.) But it's true, his perspective is very enlightening indeed.
@dimitriosfromgreece4227
@dimitriosfromgreece4227 4 жыл бұрын
BRAVO LOVE YOU ❤😍❤
@rachelshengjie7847
@rachelshengjie7847 Жыл бұрын
The excellent end!
@doctorwoohoo1152
@doctorwoohoo1152 Жыл бұрын
Great to see Kotkin defend the much-maligned Neville Chamberlain, he did the best he could with what miniscule resources he had available. It's easy for the rest of us to talk. And he was right about the Cold War. Once a pact with Stalin had been struck, the Soviet occupation of Eastern Europe & the heinous tragedies that followed it were all but inevitable, despite Churchill's most desperate efforts (Operation: Unthinkable) to prevent the occupation. The Western Allies could not possibly have gotten to Austria, or Poland, or the Baltic states and the rest of Eastern Europe, before Stalin did. Hitler really did start the Cold War. Of course, the rest of the lecture is amazing too. Brilliant as usual.
@murrayaronson3753
@murrayaronson3753 3 жыл бұрын
Could Isaiah Berlin speak Latvian? What about Yiddish?
@davidanderson9664
@davidanderson9664 Жыл бұрын
Kotkin brilliant as ever. D.A. J.D. NYC
@histarchus
@histarchus Ай бұрын
Highly educational
@darrellroberson4401
@darrellroberson4401 2 жыл бұрын
PLEASE CONSULT WITH MR. GERALD HOME
@joedellaselva1251
@joedellaselva1251 2 жыл бұрын
46:24 This happened because American manufacturers wanted to make in China (low cost) and ship back to the American Market.
@richardouvrier3078
@richardouvrier3078 8 ай бұрын
Small point, apologies, I think Russia was on its back during Bismarck because it lost the Crimean War near Persia fighting the great game.
@JJAngleton
@JJAngleton 5 жыл бұрын
Brilliant lecture. Just as footnote, the progress of (west) Germany after 1945 could only occur by the support of the US. The example of a republic, not just democracy that eventually might again turn into tyranny (Ben Franklin), was important as role model and education. Freedom of press, checks and balances, all these institutions that are mandatory for a relative democracy require protection until they are enough strongly anchored in the fundament of the society. I’m even not convinced that in eastern Germany this has occurred, at least not in all layers of the society. I believe, democracy requires several generations until enough trust and confidence is established. During the initial phase this very likely requires support from outside in order to prevent the malignant forces in a society to take over the process and eventually turn it into fascism.
@AndreAndFriends
@AndreAndFriends 5 жыл бұрын
Haha. So true my friend. .... I would guess you are from the place that used to be called the West Germany? However, let's give these ddr's a break (people from there, the ruling elite is mostly bunch of criminals.) They suffered a lot. Trust me.
@JJAngleton
@JJAngleton 5 жыл бұрын
I‘m a hybrid (US/German) but I also lived in many different places including Armenia, Georgia, Ukraine... So I agree with you entirely, people there suffered a lot. But I’m afraid, the transition from communism into democracy seems much more difficult than into fascism. That’s a serious danger, especially if people loose their trust into the western liberal democracy. There are forces who want to turn back time in order to conserve their power. And nationalism seems to work well especially on places where people lost their previous (socialistic) identity. They get confused and tend to regress into an imaginative state of nationalism. In search for a lost paradise that never existed...
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 5 жыл бұрын
Germany had a long history of advanced liberal institutions and good government before Hitler and would have them on their own after Hitler with or without the US. What the US provided was loans.
@k.k.c8670
@k.k.c8670 2 жыл бұрын
Small twist. Deng Xiaoping's trip to some Asian countries with large Chinese diaspora, specifically Singapore in 1978, and seeing how they had been developing (he was suitably impressed, even stunned) that paved the way for China to become more capitalistic with the US, of course, the obvious target market.
@lejeffrey229
@lejeffrey229 Жыл бұрын
Singapore is an artificial village created by the US, so forget it
@k.k.c8670
@k.k.c8670 Жыл бұрын
@@lejeffrey229 dumbest thing I heave heard in a long time. Singapore created by the US? Lol. A village? Get a passport and travel around, dim/wit
@TheWhitehiker
@TheWhitehiker Жыл бұрын
Speed to 1.25 for easier listening--he's slowing for non-native speakers.
@eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807
@eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807 2 жыл бұрын
29:57 min ... 30:50 min ... 31:33 min ...
@tubeslorg
@tubeslorg 3 жыл бұрын
1:59: "I'm from New York, so craziness is normal." Małpa can confirm this wisdom. Also, Vedmyd is cackling in a three-years-until-the-end-of-the-West-Asian-autocracies sort of way.
@McIntyreBible
@McIntyreBible 2 жыл бұрын
2:04, Kotkin's belief of what the 4 turning points in history were.
@adamrihak
@adamrihak 3 жыл бұрын
Any idea what movie (about Berlin) is prof. Kotkin referring to?
@etucker82
@etucker82 3 жыл бұрын
Did he just call Timothy Snyder an idiot savant????
@peteristevski3681
@peteristevski3681 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that too.
@jamesmurphy2828
@jamesmurphy2828 5 жыл бұрын
Mr Kotkin could you explain did wall street create the Soviet Union or just used labor for profit
@johnsmith1474
@johnsmith1474 5 жыл бұрын
Look at the stupid vids in your collection, then you illiterate nonsense question without punctuation ... so many weird people here.
@heraldgrajdanin2581
@heraldgrajdanin2581 2 жыл бұрын
If Stalin had been born and raised in a small, impoverished, isolated country, without connections to a teetering empire, for example, Bhutan, or Crete, in the 18th century, he could cause relatively little harm to the world. However, if Stalin becomes a prophetic figure in the ages to come, humanity has worse barbarity ahead.
@beatlessteve1010
@beatlessteve1010 2 жыл бұрын
I do not think the treaty was an anomaly..as Kotkin claims that both Russia and Germany were flat on their back ...that this was they only time since Bismarcks unification..in the 1870..but this was only 50 years in the great span of time so I wouldn't consider it an anomaly...I think both sides are correct ...I think the rise of bolshevism..had more to do with the rise of Hitler.
@rachelshengjie7847
@rachelshengjie7847 Жыл бұрын
Very good point of China & America relationship
@januszmlynarcz3348
@januszmlynarcz3348 3 жыл бұрын
I love u
@AnEnemy100
@AnEnemy100 2 жыл бұрын
Universalism in one country.
@rachelshengjie7847
@rachelshengjie7847 Жыл бұрын
The time line should draw from 1972 that President Nixon visited Beijing then
@jackbov
@jackbov 2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised at hearing Kotkin endorse the European Union. He has not had to live under this cut rate version of the Soviet Union. Yet he thought well of the UK referendum. Is he commuting the error laid bare by the book “What is history” by E H Carr? I refer to the comparison of Butterfield and Rank.
@januszmlynarcz3348
@januszmlynarcz3348 3 жыл бұрын
So few men of this kind.
@p.d.stanhope7088
@p.d.stanhope7088 4 ай бұрын
As of 2023, Germany's Green Party is doing an outstanding job keeping Center Left sane.
@mattholsen7060
@mattholsen7060 11 күн бұрын
The analysis of Russian power holds up pretty well in April of 2024.
@MOZAMUSIC2011
@MOZAMUSIC2011 4 жыл бұрын
Just out of respect, and for information: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaiah_Berlin Another great man, from Latvia.
@andrewdeen1
@andrewdeen1 4 жыл бұрын
do you know what film they screened here.. was it 'prophet of freedom'?
@cjm081
@cjm081 10 ай бұрын
I'd like to hear his opinion about the US regime destroying the middle class in America today....
@eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807
@eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807 2 жыл бұрын
Is Stephen Kotkin, Stephen Kotkin, when not in public?
@eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807
@eleonoraformatoneeszczepan8807 2 жыл бұрын
Norm ... ?
@supplehons4662
@supplehons4662 3 жыл бұрын
Why would a traditional power like Russia which has never disappeared in the past disappear? That does not make much sense.
@brianfleming8561
@brianfleming8561 Жыл бұрын
A good development "the Green Party in Germany"?????
@roc7880
@roc7880 3 жыл бұрын
so far China had success in building a hybrid political system with authoritarianism, nationalism, private economy and mass education. the thing we need to remember now is that China has now more freedom for individuals and minorities (except Uighurs) than in any moment in its history. this does not mean it cannot get better, on the contrary, but the perspective is needed. a democracy with Chinese characteristics is indeed the solution for them and not a foreign mandated change. my biggest hope is a Chinese prime minister who is educated in US or UK and who comes back to do reforms
@ter2710
@ter2710 Жыл бұрын
What kind of accent Kotkin has got?
@terrymaki4928
@terrymaki4928 Күн бұрын
🎉8te
@pavlovsworld9122
@pavlovsworld9122 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Xi's China honoring Mao and not Ping today tells us the direction the regime wants to go.
@McIntyreBible
@McIntyreBible 2 жыл бұрын
20:08, the 2nd Turning point.
@henrykim9063
@henrykim9063 5 жыл бұрын
1:19:01 This fucking Joe Pesci has tears in his eyes.
@elioxman8496
@elioxman8496 3 жыл бұрын
one thing prof kotkin does not understand is that ussr or any ideologically similar state can only maintain itself from civil war by an endless militarist regime. there is no real potential for such country to strive to peace as it will become devastating, as it happened when gorbachev opened up just a bit. therefore, kotkin's term "losing peace" is inapplicable for a communist dictatorship system. "smart" communist leaders like like our beloved leader of north korea knows it very well and acts accordingly. see how strong he stands! ...overall kotkin's lectures are very interesting thanks to the abandonce of great factual material - this is the real treasure in his works not his theories .
@jackominty3633
@jackominty3633 Ай бұрын
Interesting to see that Kotkin is not a fan of Hungary having an independent idea of how it wants to conduct it's affairs, and keep its identity intact. I'm genuinely disappointed.
@pdd60absorbed12
@pdd60absorbed12 5 жыл бұрын
Kotkin Brent Satter.....!
@maritaalexandersen8298
@maritaalexandersen8298 Жыл бұрын
Oiå
@dougcane4059
@dougcane4059 2 жыл бұрын
What is the difference between Western style 'democracy' and fascism? .... I don't know either.
@TheVietnameseDevil
@TheVietnameseDevil Жыл бұрын
😎
@tbordona
@tbordona 2 жыл бұрын
The difference between comunism and fascism? ...
@Booblickoff
@Booblickoff 5 жыл бұрын
Оху е нно!
@brianfleming8561
@brianfleming8561 Жыл бұрын
I don't see how he can take present-day Russia as an example of Communism.
@gregvalentine2173
@gregvalentine2173 Жыл бұрын
I don't think it would be possible for Prof. Kotkin to talk "too long." I suspect his voice would fail before he ran out of people's focused attention.
@k.u.5798
@k.u.5798 3 жыл бұрын
Stalin low key history's Lelouch.
@rachelshengjie7847
@rachelshengjie7847 Жыл бұрын
I think Stalin maybe right about Chinese Communist:they are rather nationalist more than are communist
@yp77738yp77739
@yp77738yp77739 Жыл бұрын
We should take note of Kotkin. With Russia at war with Ukraine and the various supporting powers we are on the cusp of a great power war once again. History tells us that this is when fascism will likely raise its head again, I see the Kyiv or Warsaw regimes and it’s not so hard to see this happening, according to ample (non Russian) documentation, Kyiv was already some way down that path at the time of the invasion. It’s an unpopular conclusion but the pre invasion reports in UK and EC parliaments confirm I am correct.
@kkpenney444
@kkpenney444 10 ай бұрын
you're insane.
@Frip36
@Frip36 Жыл бұрын
Thought-provoking little man.
@kocyszemaitis2310
@kocyszemaitis2310 Жыл бұрын
Kotkin is the best, but why is he speaking broken English?
@unktheunk1428
@unktheunk1428 2 жыл бұрын
The only issue I take with this is the dismissal of the facist tendancies of trumpism. Might not have been as bad at the time of filming but you don't need to have gone all the way to be a fascist force
@Hilaire_Balrog
@Hilaire_Balrog 10 ай бұрын
Do you even understand what fascism is? Only a person ignorant of real fascism or one with TDS would equate trump with fascism.
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