Isaiah: Where God Takes Credit For Evil! | Secular Bible Study (Episode 23)

[@MindShift-Brandon]

What a book this one is! Thanks for watching.

[@mortgagenow]

Absolutely love this series. Thank you

[@MindShift-Brandon]

@mortgagenow love to hear that. Thanks for being here for it!

[@integrationalpolytheism]

Oh my gods, Isaiah in half a hour? Amazing that you took this on, even, but as usual, great work, very interesting. My usual interest in this book is the jewish understanding so a considered ex/christian perspective is a refreshing change of perspective.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Appreciate that! Yes its an intense and complicated book for sure.

[@Bill..N]

In my humble opinion, there are currently no examples on social media of such compellingly accurate dissections of the bibles vague and hollow proclamations.. I never engage in flattering ANYONE, and I will say that in this arena (perhaps more), you have a super talent.. Thanks for your exceptional work, friend...

[@klarmy8824]

Being a mom myself, the mental image of dashing babies against rocks is so horrific that I just cannot, will not worship a god who supports that. Thanks Brandon for another in depth look at the holy book.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Agree! Thank you

[@karenmiller6088]

You're so right about this point. I have just recently deconverted and when I really thought about the words I was reading rather than just brushing over the things are seriously disturbing, it made me sick to my stomach to think that I even gave one ounce of esteem to such a monster.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@karenmiller6088 same

[@enumaelish6751]

Most people (not all) on the planet have better morals than the Abrahamic god. --------------------------------------------------------- *This website is designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible. For far too long, priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called God of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children.* I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along. *It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said Thou shall not kill.* For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses (Joshua 6). In Judges 21 He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! *Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody!* In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 & Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). ***This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person.*** ***Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it’s OK.*** If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself. *Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven:* For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it (Matthew 19:12). *I don’t know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.* The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice. *And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear:* It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid (Luke 16:17). There are many more quotes on this topic at my Do Not Ignore the Old Testament web page. *If you follow the links on this site you will learn about all the nasty things in the Bible that are usually not talked about by priests and preachers.* www.evilbible.com/ Watch *"Context!!!!!!"* by NonStampCollector (A good video for believers who try to rationalise Biblical atrocities and immorality by saying "Out of context".) ------------------------------------------------------------------ In addition, look up the below articles. *"10 Biblical Atrocities That Go Overlooked (Part 1) - Real Bible Stories"* (Written by a former minister) *"10 Biblical Atrocities That Go Overlooked (Part Two) - Real Bible Stories"* (Written by a former minister) *"The 10 Worst Old Testament Verses by Dan Barker - Freedom From Religion Foundation"* (Written by a former preacher) *"Top 20 Evil Bible Stories - Religion - Nigeria"* *"God is the Source of Morality. (Not.) | atheologica"* *"Is God Necessary for Morality? | atheologica"* *"What Would Jesus Do? - Evil Bible .com"* *"Why Jesus? Nontract (August 1999) - Freedom From Religion Foundation"* *"Morals Don't Come From God: For This I Know Because the Bible Tells Me So"* - Dr Steven DiMattei. *"Secular Societies Fare Better Than Religious Societies | Psychology Today"*

[@liepa7768]

Christian friend just told me that most of the Isaiah is about mercy and only a small part about killings. Which God had to do because they were all sinners. 😮 The same friend justifies genocide in gaza. Same as whole pentacostel church. I said to them that it's a hypocritical christianity and they stopped talking to me. And still claim that god of old testament is a loving god. He doesn't want people to sin and has to teach them a lesson

[@timothymulholland7905]

The genius of the Biblical compilers was to keep the text ambiguous enough so that it can mean all things to everyone. A hundred years down the road, it will still be relevant and fought over.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Yes. The vague has allowed for so much!

[@sierrapenner4805]

@@MindShift-Brandonit’s perfectly symbolic in its writing. Not vague at all but very specific on the hero’s journey from god to devil to rebirth and full realization of the logos, lucifer, Christ or superman as Nietzsche uses. This journey may happen once per chapter or book or character in the bible. Characters names may change to symbolize the change from death to life but I can attest that the bible for some reason, is written almost perfectly. Spiritually deciphered that is.

[@dorianlogan449]

Evil geniuses

[@CBraximus]

@@sierrapenner4805 too many flaws to be even near perfectly. For example, Jesus lying about his return in matthew

[@GarthDomokos]

the bible makes one thing clear at the end of Judges "there was no king (no authority) and everyone did what they saw fit (read and interpret scripture to suit their own narrative)

[@DannyS177]

I left Christianity when I realized that I had a better moral standard than the god of the Bible. That wasn't easy to do but I couldn't compromise and remaining a Christian would have been compromising for me.

[@Bossman21D]

Why did you come to Christ to start with then?

[@liepa7768]

Think where you got that morality from

[@DannyS177]

@@Bossman21D Because my parents are Christians and they made sure that I never knew anything about the "evil" world and that all I knew was the "truth" of the Bible, and that started the day I was born and my parents are still trying to do that everyday to this day.

[@DannyS177]

@@liepa7768 Well I didn't get it from a genocidal maniac who is totally cool with slavery and believes that all of his "children" deserve to be tortured for all of eternity.

[@Bossman21D]

@DannyS177 I don’t know how old you are now, but my guess is either still quite young or still very naive. The world is absolutely evil, but then again, you can’t judge evil as an atheist because you can’t explain objectively how you map your moral compass. Why do anything moral if there isn’t a God? Surely that isn’t the right thing to do, if there isn’t anything more than this earth and there is no objective truth, then this is just a free for all, it isn’t illogical to do whatever will benefit you and only you.

[@uncleanunicorn4571]

You should Sell a t shirt which reads, " More moral than god", On the back, In small print, List all of the baby dashing verses.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Oh man so many good ideas for that kinda of thing

[@Kattlarv]

As always, we kinda always get back to the "believers just want to sin". It takes nothing for evil to do evil. But it takes a cult to make good do evil.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

Which is ironic because they say you aren't a believer because you just want to sin. Rather, the believers are worse sinners.

[@Kattlarv]

@@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr It's the truth. As: They have a built in failsafe. I dunno... can you think of ANY other situation you have where it's "X is illegal... UNLESS: You join our crew...", and I dunno... does ANY of those happen to have a large amount of "Oh, it's JUST a few bad apples!". And WOW! Look at that! The way to get out of trouble ISN'T to make amends! ALL You have to do is go "Sorry daddy..." and ALL is forgiven! How CONVINENT! ... But if ANYONE not part of the club does it: They are VERY bad people.

[@DavidRichardson153]

Really, Isaiah feels like it could be the conversation between Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, and Yoda in Revenge of the Sith, all the way down to Yoda commenting how the prophecy could have been misread.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha!

[@scottjohnson2658]

It shouldn't be a problem for Christians that God created evil. Evil isn't condimed so much as sin. Sin is just a crime against God, so if God commands an evil act, it's sin NOT to do it and vice-versa. Thanks for your great work. I've enjoyed all your content.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you!

[@pansepot1490]

The problem started when god was endowed with omni benevolence. Retconning a character always leaves plot holes in the story.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

100%

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

@@pansepot1490 No plot holes when you redefine what good and evil is. Evil is just not what God wants, and good is whatever he wants.

[@danielblair4413]

@@pansepot1490 says: *The problem started when god was endowed with omni benevolence. Retconning a character always leaves plot holes in the story.* Where in the bible does it even state that God is omnibenevolent? Show me the chapter and verse...you won't be able to find one. I stopped believing that God was 100% good when he revealed to me that he wasn't when I questioned his behavior in the Old Testament because I knew that a being that was 100% good would not be able to do those things. God revealed to me that he is 100% righteous and such a thing makes it possible for God to use evil in right ways. God created evil and when God created it, he intended it to be used the right way not the wrong way.

[@Warrior-re5fn]

I shared this with a Christian friend of mine and asked him to tell me what he thinks. His response was I tend to stay away from secular ungodly teachings. He said he would rather learn from a Christian godly point of view only. Sad to how closed minded people are and trust only teachings from just anyone who claims they know. 🥺 Again another awesome teaching brother.👍🏼

[@TonyLambregts]

All to believe a comforting lie rather than an uncomfortable reality.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you! Man so sad to hear. Thats the power of the religious indoctrination at work right there.

[@lizhoward9754]

“Secular ungodly” teachings? Why not just come out and admit he is in a cult? Only cult members would see outsiders as evil

[@CommonSense_Skeptic]

I play cornhole every Sunday evening with all Christians. A couple of them are pastors, and a couple are different pastors' kids. and others. and one of the pastors' brought up Noah's Ark and the flood and asked me if I wanted to join the Bible study that he leads.. so I told him That I became basically an atheist couple years ago, after about 2000 hours of deep study trying to get closer to god and after the shock wore off I told him I just don't find the Bible reliable. and pointed to the flood he was just talking about and asked him how could the fifth and sixth sixth dynasties of pharaohs in Egypt have existed how could Sargon the great and the Akkadian Empire have existed (and several other things) if everyone died in the flood and there were only a handful of people left in the 2300s bc then I realized he had no idea on a date that Christians put on the flood, he just thinks it happened a long long time ago before any history that we have. so I told him there's tons of scholars and historians on KZbin even where you can learn about all the ancient peoples because in the last 200 years we've gained a wealth of knowledge about their flood myths, creation myths, their gods and their cultures and that's when he said the exact same thing well I'm gonna trust the Bible way before I'm gonna trust a scholar. lol Sorry for that long-winded post for that punchline, but we can't do anything if they refuse to look outside their Bible for real factual information

[@TonyLambregts]

@Common_SenseSkeptic I can't help thinking what a bizarre kind of reality that some people have created for themselves. This isn't the only time I have run across this type of behavior, either. Why would people think that what they don't already believe is not worth a look at least. The thing that really gets me is that I run across these people on the Internet. Instant access to enormous amounts of information at their fingertips and seemingly not a thought given on how we aquired that information or to even look. Absolutely astounding.

[@stevenpike7857]

Ah, the inherent problems with believing an invisible being in the sky exists. Who get's to have the authority to speak for it or on its behalf? Christians point to the Bible, but then who gets to interpret what is literal and what isn't? Who gets to explain the many contradictions? I had someone say that I just need to pray and the Holy Spirit will reveal the answers, I said, "If that's true then why is there so much disagreement regarding the scriptures and so many sects?

[@TH3F4LC0Nx]

I don't really think prophecy and free will are compatible. If something *has* to happen, then that means at least some people down the line will be unable not to make certain choices. Isaiah really is one of the wildest books in the Bible. Like you say, so freaking much can be taken from it, and so many people disagree over what it all means.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Agreed!

[@JenQ_1]

This was a great video. Not too long ago I had a few family members talking about how the end times were upon us because of the war in Israel. They started talking about prophecy, blah blah blah, and I thought to myself, "Aren't there other prophecies in Isaiah that didn't happen?" That part wasn't what bothered me though. What rubbed me the wrong way was how they seemed almost excited about it. The way they were talking, it was like they were in on a secret that no one else knows about, the anticipation fully on their face. My immediate thought was "If you truly think Jesus is about to come back and many people are going to die and go to hell, shouldn't you be in the streets and across the world imploring people to believe??" Of course they're not. And who the hell would be so excited by the idea of potentially millions dying and being separated from their god for eternity? Do they want to be proved right so bad? Like a "we told you so" moment? And ALL of this is based on the way they interpret that specific book. My mom actually dragged me into this conversation knowing that I don't believe any of it. It was hard to keep a straight face, mouth shut, and thoughts to myself.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I can so relate! Its sick watching their anticipation of obliteration of the only home we all actually have.

[@JenQ_1]

@@MindShift-Brandon it really is.

[@sundayoliver3147]

@@MindShift-Brandon But kind of a natural result of declaring, "earth bad, heaven good" -- the material is supposed to be this "vale of tears", the ethereal is always wonderful. I fell for that one for a lot of my life. Science these days shows us that the material is made of the same stuff as the ethereal, it's just denser and in a a lot of shapes. And there isn't a value judgment on whether denser is better or worse, it just is.

[@Betttty]

We were doing the widosm literature that i completely forgot about the main story of the bible. people always tell me you cant look at the bible logically its a spiritual thing but its literally just a story .... Once again thanks Brandon

[@MindShift-Brandon]

So true. Thank you for being here!

[@Betttty]

@@MindShift-Brandon till relevations ✊🏿

[@DavidRichardson153]

I think it was Guy P. Harrison who put it thusly: a book having had many copies sold does not necessarily mean that those copies have been read. I am probably not remembering it correctly, but he does say something along the lines in at least one of his books. If you want, I recommend _50 Simple Questions for Every Christian._

[@scienceexplains302]

It’s many stories, some of them awkwardly combined from previous versions.

[@Betttty]

@@DavidRichardson153 and it's been translated many times as well you're spot on and people don't read this whole book like Brandon said all Christians love quoting books like proverbs or psalms but you will never catch those same Christians reading numbers

[@ChillAssTurtle]

I create evil - the invisible guy with an infinite torture gun

[@DavidRichardson153]

"I believe you." - Batfleck

[@ChillAssTurtle]

@@DavidRichardson153 Trust me bro And then they did Lol

[@duanethompson8770]

Thanks again for your illuminating message about this book. Years ago I came to the conclusion that I couldn’t take the Bible literally.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks, Duane!

[@DrakeTimbershaft]

I always described reading the book of Isaiah to my friends as a "collision course with wackiness," to borrow a common TV phrase. Thank you once again, Brandon, for your detailed analysis of the books of the Bible. Mostly, thank you for pointing out that prophecy and poetry, like drinking and driving, don't mix.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha. For sure. Thank you!

[@jboyd0104]

Yep and then Ezekiel makes Isaiah look sane. Ezekiel was melodramatic, disturbed, and clearly suffering from PTSD.

[@DrakeTimbershaft]

@@jboyd0104 *Buckles seatbelt, places mouth guard on teeth, ironically places a St. Christopher figure on the dashboard, prepares for Ezekiel.*

[@broski365]

The book of Isaiah only makes sense when Christians quote a small passage of the scripture while ignoring the rest, and just continue talking as if it is double-checked and 100 percent true

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Lol yup!

[@MrCanis4]

One of the most brilliant dessections of a religion I have ever heard.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Too kind, my friend. But thank you!

[@MrCanis4]

You use explanation instead of laughing, humiliating or ridiculing. For the first time in hundreds of years, religion is being questioned. Many of these people do not understand that, feel threatened or cheated. They are afraid, insecure and sometimes even aggressive in defending their faith. Very understandable. I like your approach.

[@stevegeorge6880]

I'm just hoping when we get to Lamentations that you will include the classic clip where Conan the barbarian explains what is best in life.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Lol!

[@martin2289]

One nice thing about being an atheist is not having to try and make sense of an incondite pile of rubbish from the Iron Age.

[@jonathanfarquhar]

I'd love you to go through all the prophesies of the Bible and dive deep. Like 2 hour long video deep. I'm learning so much from your great series.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you and thats a great idea!

[@johntiggleman4686]

I'll second that! Maybe two one hour videos...not sure if I could sit for two hours. I can't listening to James Tabor videos; he's not as vibrant a speaker as you. Oh, he's pretty good, he just puts me to sleep.

[@Volleyball_Chess_and_Geoguessr]

It's crazy that I used to be a Christian, like just a few months ago.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

So much to process still, i know.

[@MalekMagicianPR]

Thank you so much! And before believers say, "Oh you don't understand those prophecies are allegorical. False, they are not allegories nor parables." A Parable from Greek parabolē, a “setting beside" suggests a juxtaposition that compares and contrasts this story with that idea. Allegory from Greek allos and agoreuein, an “other-speaking” suggests a more expanded use of deceptive and oblique language. So, yeah, that doesn't work either.

[@Benjiah14]

Even if the views aren't as good on this series, I am glad you're making it. Also stoked for the God: An Anatomy series! Just bought it so I can follow along.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Very encouraging to hear. Thanks so much!

[@26beegee]

As always, a great analysis. I especially appreciate that you stress the prophecies were for a specific people in a specific time. The idea they were for events thousands of years in the future renders them meaningless to the audience of that time. So why bother? If god is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow he could be speaking to his people now but, he apparently isn’t in any clear, concise, agreed upon way. Thank you for you commitment to truth.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks so much, Beegee!

[@Scuzzbopper.]

Have you seen the (short-lived) TV series "Kings" from 2009? It's an alternate-reality, modern day retelling of the story of King David. It died a quick death, but it had a lot going for it (Ian McShane as the King Saul character) and was pretty good as I recall. The modern era/alternate reality setting shifts it a bit, but it's in the direction of a "Game of Thrones" style take on the Old Testament. It didn't fail because it was bad, it was just an idea that there was no good audience for, or the audience it was for never found it. [edited slightly due to not trusting my memory]

[@MindShift-Brandon]

That sounds awesome. No I havent ever seen it. Ill look it up.

[@endymionselene165]

I remember watching, but I couldn't remember the name. Sucks it had only a single episode.

[@Scuzzbopper.]

@@endymionselene165 You may have missed a few. It had 13 episodes. I think it got pulled out of the schedule after just a couple, but they aired some or most of them later on, like over the summer or somesuch. Unless you meant a single season, in which case, agreed. Would have loved for it to have had a longer run.

[@trythelight8319]

Dante from Devil May Cry: “What the hell is this?” I just really really wonder what it’d be like to share this video with one of my siblings and have them explain away what you’ve summarized best you could. Because if they can and do put together something together, it still wouldn’t explain how this god is a good god. But that’s unfortunately not a conversation I’m ready to have.

[@Azho64]

I love this book and use it often esp when dealing with jebus being the messiah with xtians and it fails big time as most of us realize.My Grandma was Jewish and died when I was 3 month old and took many years to go and find out what she believed and how Judaism and xtianity compared and I wish I would of done it as a believer it would of either turned me atheist faster or became a Jew. These specific criteria are as follows: 1) He must be Jewish. (Deuteronomy 17:15, Numbers 24:17) 2) He must be a member of the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10) and a direct male descendent of both King David (I Chronicles 17:11, Psalm 89:29-38, Jeremiah 33:17, II Samuel 7:12-16) and King Solomon. (I Chronicles 22:10, II Chronicles 7:18) 3) He must gather the Jewish people from exile and return them to Israel. (Isaiah 27:12-13, Isaiah 11:12) 4) He must rebuild the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem. (Micah 4:1) 5) He must bring world peace. (Isaiah 2:4, Isaiah 11:6, Micah 4:3) 6) He must influence the entire world to acknowledge and serve one G-d. (Isaiah 11:9, Isaiah 40:5, Zephaniah 3:9) All of these criteria for the Messiah are best stated in the book of Ezekiel chapter 37:24-28: "And My servant David will be a king over them, and they will all have one shepherd, and they will walk in My ordinances, and keep My statutes, and observe them, and they shall live on the land that I gave to Jacob My servant...and I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant and I will set my sanctuary in their midst forever and My dwelling place shall be with them, and I will be their G-d and they will be My people. And the nations will know that I am the Lord who sanctifies Israel, when My sanctuary is in their midst forever." If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, he cannot be the Messiah.” Love your take on this book thanks again Brandon!!!!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you! So appreciate all these extra references!

[@printawayspvr8490]

Deconverting is actually a longer process than converting. Because once a young child is convinced that he is no good, it takes years to get over those thoughts.

[@sundayoliver3147]

You said a mouthful there. I think it might be a lifetime process; the good news is, life gets easier as you go through it.

[@adamrspears1981]

How come GOD put the angels in Heaven, but we have to have Faith just to have a chance at getting to Heaven?

[@seraphonica]

26:50 this is an okay place to go, but I find the following more effective; "you're saying your god can't create a place free of evil? wow, so you don't believe in Heaven? tell me about that"

[@smidlee7747]

If I understand him correctly from his recent video he is against God for allowing man have free will and allowing evil in the world. He also is against God because He will not allow evil to enter into heaven.

[@sundayoliver3147]

@@smidlee7747 That would be your point of view, I don't get that at all. Especially since Brandon doesn't believe in heaven.

[@Bill..N]

If you appreciate this mans work as I do, then there are many ways that you can support the channel.. Listen to the commercials once and awhile, or just let them play while grabbing a drink.. "Like" other comments and add your own EXPANDED sentiments to the comment section..Peace friends..

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Hey that’s so kind! Thanks, Bill. Thats very generous of you to say.

[@eljefe8149]

I'm a believer but i still find your videos really interesting.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks for that

[@andreatheherbalist]

Yes, me too. I've seen too many miracles and had too many experiences that I cant explain away with pure logic not to believe. But I love seeing all the horrible flaws in the Bible and how it makes clear why we have so many cults and violence. Men reflect the God they serve. I tell people the Bible is a mirror. If you are loving you will only see the love. If you want to kill, rob people of their land and demand blind obedience, you will see that in the scripture. You will see who you are. Christians need more critical thinking. A true God can handle it!

[@sundayoliver3147]

@@andreatheherbalist I've seen miracles, too. I know that there are dimensions beyond what can be parsed by the intellect. But that doesn't equate to "the god of the bible is true and real". I once read a comment by someone who said that the planet and cosmos just seem way too huge to stuff into a human-made religion. That's pretty much where I am. There's mystery and magic we can have access to: it seems to me a lot of religion goes to cut off the direct contact, and make some authority be the one who connects us to the beautiful magic. And that's where a lot of things go awry.

[@rincasarff5200]

I promise you any ex-Christian atheist has stuck around to learn more about this book that has been used to abuse them covertly and overtly. I’ll enjoy the deep dives you may someday do into these books that make the Bible too.

[@ZeusAssassin]

I'm one of them!

[@kevinstclair7692]

According to the story God made no excuse for creating evil, but Christians would seek for every possible or impossible reason and purpose to justify their God's actions.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Right! Take this god at his own word. The excuse making is insane

[@unclescar5616]

I know you couldn't have possibly added everything, and that a discussion on the origin of the devil as a concept would make a great topic on it own. But I would have loved if you had mentioned Isaiah 14 and it's mistranslation and interpretation that have have lead to Christians using it as an origin story for Satan and his fall. I particularly hate this interpretation because I love the name Lucifer but I can't even hope to use it because of its negative association to the Christian devil.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I wish i would have too. Adding it now to a list for an standalone episode. Thank you.

[@Chuck-se5hh]

Thank you for powerfully and accurately continuing to point out the abuses and tyrannies and oppressions of the God of the Bible against those he considers to be his people. As Tim Mills says it is a necessary and pivotal step for one to get to the point of being able to hold and pronounce judgement against God for the various faults and inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Appreciate that very much!

[@OublietteTight]

01:10 "... many of you are going to feel completely different, and that is fine!" That sentiment is love! Thank you Brandon! ❤

[@ernestschroeder9762]

Another great breakdown

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you!

[@TonyLambregts]

Thanks again for all your dedication to reality.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks, Tony!

[@velkyn1]

Isaiah has more than few problems for christians. we get the whole god created evil thing, and then we have the suposed prophecy abotu the jewish messian in chap 53 that their jesus fails.

[@jashinsdisciple8512]

This book feels like what happens when an ideology based on "fortunate" coincidence comes to an end because the fortune ran out

[@tigerlilly8365]

That was amazing! I'll be listening to this again, and again and again!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Glad to hear it. Thank you!

[@leo35577]

I'm only on episode 7, I need to catch up!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks for watching them all! Appreciate you being part of this series.

[@DataRae-AIEngineer]

I have always found it interesting that 2:6 talks about magic and bad things from the east in the book that is supposed to be prophecy about Jesus, the kid who was visited by wise men from the east. I have this marked up in my bible from when I was a believer, even, and no apologetics had ever explained that away. I can only imagine that these "wise men" if they existed were zoroastrians, buddhists, or hindus... nobody else lived east of there. And it's interesting to see zoroastrianism and hinduism kind of influence early christianity. BTW concerning your comment about the controversy about Mary being a virgin. She had to, otherwise Jesus wouldn't have been able to compete with the Hindu god of compassion and love, Krishna. Seems like Christians kind of just copied the east, doesn't it?

[@sundayoliver3147]

Really interesting thoughts, hadn't run across that before. Thank you for posting them for us to consider.

[@jerdal6825]

Another excellent product from Brandon!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you very much!

[@josephcollins6033]

Bravo, Brandon. Crazy, isn't it? So much ancient BS; modern people should never have even considered such silliness. And, I continue to be ashamed.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Truly. Just ancient nonsense that we make our whole life now.

[@karenmiller6088]

YaY... looking forward to this one!❤

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Hope you like it!

[@chadmccoy8032]

Isaiah 53:5 was my fav verse.

[@Lunarstar1323]

With the logic of the Bible, it would be 100% biblical to say that god used Hitler to punish the Jews for not obeying him, and then turned around later and used America to save the Jews as they had repented and begged for mercy.

[@imaniashley1138]

I agree Brandon, when I was youn and reading the OT, I felt like watching a movie where you can't get attached to any characters because in the next verse god deems it fit for them to die. Like GOT, I would watch an OT version of GOT, if would be epic.

[@franciswalsh8416]

Your in-depth knowledge of the Bible is astounding! I am so glad you continue to expose the hidden messages of the Bible to the light of day. Thanks agin!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks, Francis!

[@dmsdad6866]

28:25 is powerful. Thank you for your work

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Appreciate that!

[@omarcarpentiero]

Am i the only one who noticed that EVERY video's duration is so oddly...precise...?

[@johntiggleman4686]

It may say, for example 32:00, but watching the progression of the play line, it would actually be 31:59. KZbin might round up to the next second.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Hey guys! KZbin does round up and yes i purposely end each video at :59. Theres absolutely no point to it lol and ive gotten many comments from people who are bugged by it. But It brings me a tinge of joy and my OCD lots of pleasure.

[@DickGallo-dk7wi]

Christian ads. The Irony. 😂

[@Betttty]

Religion does corrupt morality look at whats happening in Israel today 💔

[@stevenhogenson4880]

So appreciate the depth of your biblical and historical knowledge when you thoroughly debunk the indoctrination material used by believers.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks, Steven!

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Thanks for this one. Isaiah is a massive book.

[@lucas.warhero]

I read a Peter Wehner column in the New York Times this morning. It was about Christmas and all the warm fuzzies that Christians get from Jesus and Yahweh. In the past I would have probably not thought too much about it, but after spending all this time watching your secular bible studies I had a more critical take. Christians like Wehner really do ignore all the bad parts of the Bible.

[@Gowalkabout]

This video was super-helpful. I've had trouble with Isaiah for a long time.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Glad to hear it!

[@iluvtacos1231]

I think it was Mike Winger who did a short where we basically was like "if someone tells me God told them to do something, I'm going to have questions". And I was like, what's the line that needs to be crossed from "no, this guy is wrong when God told him to kill that person" to "yes, these people were right when God told them to kill those people". Didn't get a satisfactory answer.

[@mikebartling7920]

Thanks!

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks so much, Mike!

[@nezz0r]

I would add some Anti-Gentile verses. I mean you did a video about it but since you are in the book of Isaiah I think repeating it is a good thing. Afterall Isaiah has some juicy ones in there: So let's add them here and start with two against Egypt specifically. Isaiah 19:1-4 "1The oracle concerning Egypt. Behold, Yahweh is riding on a swift cloud and is about to come to Egypt; The idols of Egypt will shake at His presence, And the heart of the Egyptians will melt within them. 2“So I will incite Egyptians against Egyptians; And they will each fight against his brother and each against his neighbor, City against city and kingdom against kingdom. 3“Then the spirit of the Egyptians will be emptied to destruction within them; And I will confuse their counsel, So that they will seek idols and ghosts of the dead And to mediums and spiritists. 4“Moreover, I will deliver the Egyptians into the hand of a cruel master, And a strong king will rule over them,” declares the Lord, Yahweh of hosts." Take notice that he will divide Egyptians against each other and confuses their counsel. Just for fun we might say: He does that today by dividing as into "left wing" and "right wing". I think such a process would be called Divide and Conquer. You may as well say it is used as a part of Subversion. Here is another one for Egypt specifically: Isaiah 45:14 "14Thus says Yahweh, “The fruit of the labor of Egypt and the profit of Ethiopia And the Sabeans, men of stature, Will come over to you and will be yours; They will walk behind you; they will come over in chains And will bow down to you; They will make supplication to you: ‘Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God.’ ”" Take notice how he is promising enslavement for them and gives them the fruits of their labors. --- Next let's go a little bit more general: Isaiah 49:23 "23“Kings will be your guardians, And their princesses your nurses. They will bow down to you with their faces to the earth And lick the dust of your feet; And you will know that I am Yahweh; Those who hope in Me will not be put to shame." Here the kings of the Gentiles will lick the dust of their feet. And if the kings are more or less enslave and lick the dust of their feet then what do you think would that mean for the common people? Isaiah 60:10-12 "10“Foreigners will build up your walls, And their kings will minister to you; For in My wrath I struck you, And in My favor I have had compassion on you. 11“Your gates will be open continually; They will not be closed day or night, So that men may bring to you the wealth of the nations, With their kings led in procession. 12“For the nation and the kingdom which will not serve you will perish, And the nations will surely be laid waste." Here the Gentiles will become their labor and especially take notice at (12). What happens to the nations which will not serve? It will perish. That means you only have two choices. Become their slave or die. Peace is not an option. Take your time and think about this for a while. Isaiah 60:16 "You will also suck the milk of nations And suck the breast of kings; Then you will know that I, Yahweh, am your Savior And your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob." Here again the mentioning of sucking the milk of nations which is more or less their labor and their works. Isaiah 61:5-6 "5Strangers will stand and pasture your flocks, And foreigners will be your farmers and your vinedressers. 6But you will be called the priests of Yahweh; You will be spoken of as ministers of our God. You will eat the wealth of nations, And in their glories you will boast." Here we go again. The people of the nations becoming their labor slaves. They eat the wealth of them and BOAST or revel in THEIR glory. --- Seriously it is disgusting. If he wants his chosenites not to labor and is claimed to be the Creator of all of existence then why not creating food out of nothing or something like that. You know kind of like "The Wishing-Table".

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks for adding in

[@sundayoliver3147]

Well, you've just given a fine example of where European Christians got their justification for colonizing other peoples' countries. I knew the Divine Right/mandate existed, but didn't know specific places to quote about it. I appreciate your giving me them.

[@nezz0r]

@@sundayoliver3147 And now consider as well that the origin of this religion is not european but middle eastern because this is quoted from the OT which is more or less the Tanakh and by that the bible of the Jews.

[@kenhoover1639]

That was a lot of information to cover! You helped me understand that most Bible prophesy is for the time that it was written, not for some future time is hundreds, or even thousands of years in the future. Thanks Brandon!

[@jboyd0104]

Excellent, Brandon, as always. A few personal observations and additional thoughts (I know your time was limited for the video): --Isaiah 52 regarding the uncircumcised never entering Jerusalem again is not only literally false, but doctrinally, it's completely contradicted by almost the entirety of Paul's ministry to the Gentiles and his doctrinal dispute with Peter, which did away with the practice of circumcision among Christians. --'Isaiah' was definitely talking about Cyrus, but that was deutero-Isaiah, which as you know was added later. It was less a prophecy than an exposition, written in prophetic terms, of what the author was witnessing transpire in the world in real-time. --Not sure if you mentioned it and I missed it, but Isaiah also explicitly identifies the suffering servant as the people of Israel in Isaiah 49. The servant songs have never been considered messianic prophecies by Jews (I don't think). --An interesting fact that's also worth mentioning, since we're coming up to the Christmas holiday, is that the English translation of 'he will be called wonderful counselor, mighty God' is better translated into English as something like 'wonderful counselor is the mighty El'. It was a regnal title for Hezekiah, much like 'Nebuchadrezzar' meant 'Nabu will protect his servant' and Nabonidus meant 'Nabu will be exalted' or something along those lines. --I love that the OT spins a fanciful story about God saving Jerusalem from Sennacharib while the annals of Sennacharib indicate that Hezekiah had to pay him an extensive bribe to go away. That's one of my favorite artifacts from the Assyrian period.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Love all the extra context! Thanks so much for taking the time.

[@lougarcia8420]

Great stuff Brandon. Can you explore the perspectives of why Jesus would pray to himself?

[@ucanliv4ever]

Jesus prayed to his father, Jehovah

[@Badficwriter]

@@ucanliv4ever But he was his own father, according to Christianity 🤪

[@sundayoliver3147]

@@Badficwriter Or, to be fair, according to some versions of Christianity. Or to some versions of Christianity sometimes, and sometimes not (the church I grew up in was like that: it was vague).

[@danielpaulson8838]

For what it’s worth, despite the different sound, it’s framed on the common monomyth template sequence. Different analogous terms.

[@kakdibombom]

Thank you for giving me stuff to listen to while at work and driving.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure. Thanks for listening!

[@Strutingeagle]

It would seem that a person would want to have informed consent before placing a faith commitment to a collection of literature and allowing it to control their behavior. For example, tithing, praying, going to church, and preaching to others their version of truth. The sacrifice of informed consent in favor of psychological needs shows the frailty of the human mind.

[@SouthernMenace]

Excellent presentation and insights, as usual. Those videos are a great resource.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you much!

[@alanhyland5697]

Isaiah is one of the most-loved OT books, because Jesus misquoted it.

[@rokkitserjun]

From an ear it wasn't lost on - Thanks for another great video.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Ha. Love that. Thanks for making it so far!

[@Badficwriter]

I think it would be helpful to contrast the writings in Isaiah to prophecy use elsewhere, like in Delphi. Or the phrases used in Egyptian doom literature. (Might be more relevant to Revelations) The phrase "dashing childrens heads on rocks" cropped up like a refrain in the Egyptian doom story I read. It felt like that was what mentally ill people liked to write in those days.

[@sundayoliver3147]

Kind of an early version of eugenics. Which, unfortunately, we still have with us today.

[@user-sz6uy3ie3g]

I would LOVE to see you do a video or series of videos on Isaiah 53! I don't care if the series is 20 one-hour videos! (lol) Please do it! 👍

[@jdnlaw1974]

Great episode as always. You would enjoy Dan McClellan.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you!

[@jdnlaw1974]

@@MindShift-Brandon kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5vbZnh-jddpfsksi=j-uyDUVc4YfPUxGw

[@TerryCrosslin]

Thanks Brandon for another great video that helps alot of people deconstruct! 👍

[@vladimirgrbic8325]

"Dear God, how have you been then? I'm not fine, F pretending All of this death you're sending Best throw some free heart mending Invite you in my heart, then When done, my sins forgiven? This God of mine relaxes World dies, I still pay taxes..."😅

[@jackwhite8238]

Hell yea bro, this is the one I have been waiting on. The two books in the Bible that have always stood out to me was Isaiah and the book of revelation, and I suppose the gospel so I guess that three. It was when I read Isaiah trying to connect the prophecy to Jesus ( as a Christian) that the whole thing fell flat on its face for me for the very reasons you stated in this video. The book of revelation used to hold so much power for me but after I deconverted all I could see was a person that ate some really good mushrooms. I don’t know if you already have but I would love to see a break down of revelation. But give us a heads up if you do, I want to eat some really good mushrooms before I watch it.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Lol! Thank you so much. And no i havent covered it yet but we are just doing these in order so youve got some time to forage.

[@sundayoliver3147]

I'd vote for LSD as the inspirer of Revelations, or LSD's historic precursor, ergot (a kind of mold that grew on grain, with similar chemical content to LSD). Really good mushrooms have a plant spirit that leads you into a sense of connectedness and beauty-- not what I recall of Revelations! LSD just kind of leaves you hanging, you're on your own to form the experience. So, if you've got a lot of fear and anxiety, that's where you'll go.

[@lesliemccann628]

I’ve been waiting for this one! Another great video

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thanks so much!

[@clintonmcnair9085]

thank you for your intelligent break down of the bible

[@MindShift-Brandon]

My pleasure m! Thanks so much for watching

[@Ploskkky]

The Christian god is the ultimate creepy, malicious narcissist. He just has to take credit for everything, and demands to be praised for it all the time.

[@martin2289]

No wonder evangelicals are drawn to Trump. Perhaps they see those same characteristics reflected in their Dear Leader.

[@Ploskkky]

@@martin2289 I agree. The evil is just as obvious in Trump as it is in the bible god, but evangelicals are not equipped to recognize it. They have learned to see that type of evil as good. They were indoctrinated from birth to repeat how incredibly good their narcissistic monster god is. Compared to the depraved and twisted evil of that god, Trump is like a saint to them.

[@kaceesnow]

Brandon, in Isaiah God said he creates evil, not created evil. In other words, he is responsible if something bad happens, he allowed it. He isn't necessarily claiming to have CREATED (Past tense) evil, he said CREATES (as in continous)

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I will have to look into it further then. Technically the tense is present. I create evil. That to me, makes it sound like all evil, past and future. And as it follows the, “i form the light and create dark” it seems to be claiming all parts of everything.

[@TonyLambregts]

@@MindShift-Brandon God: I am the universe.I am everything. Man: No. You are what we say you are.

[@Solom0n2]

Will you ever interview Biblical scholars on here one day?

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I hope to for sure

[@aprilbryant8641]

I always look forward to SBS! Thanks so much

[@MindShift-Brandon]

So kind! Glad to have you here.

[@CommonSense_Skeptic]

Excellent analysis throughout this video. Very well done and I completely agree with you. you've did a better overview of Isaiah than I've heard anyone do. And you hit all the key points that need to be pointed out

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you!!

[@paulfromcanada5267]

Should go one on one with a trained apologist. That way your propositions can be exposed to rebuttal. 😇

[@willievanstraaten1069]

Extraordinary work you are doing. I am gradually working through your videos.

[@alohaohana901]

Brandon, before I even watch this video, I will tell you that the book of Isaiah at about chapter 10 ish is where I would always get bogged down and discouraged. About the only thing I could understand about this book was that God was displeased with Israel.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Hope this episode helps then! It’s a very different book.

[@michaelhenry1763]

Excellent video! Great work navigating through such dense and diverse material. What I find interesting is how the conservative Christian translation bias rears its ugly head in Isaiah . As you pointed out almah means young woman, but the only English translations translating almah accurately are the JPS and and NRSV( UE). The ESV, NIV, NASB, etc. translate it inaccurately on purpose to keep Matthew from being “ wrong”. Additionally, only JPS and the NRSV translate Lilith accurately in Isaiah 34:14, with the more conservative translations choosing to omit the word entirely.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Thank you so much and yes the deceitfulness of this supposedly honest and perfect religion really starts to show.

[@michaelhenry1763]

@@MindShift-Brandon absolutely , they are trying to strip as much of mythology out of it as they can.

[@gamertag7676]

Appreciate you keeping an open mind about Christianity I'm kinda stuck believing cause my mother is a Jesus nut I still love her though

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Lol well thank you, but i wouldnt say i am keeping an open mind about it. Of course if new info was oresented i would consider it, and Im open to if a god exists but im quite certain yahweh is not that god. My mother was also, but that shouldnt dictate what you believe.

[@michaelsbeverly]

Just imagine all the kids with loving, caring mothers who are Muslim, Hindu, Mormon, or some other variety of Christianity (like a snake handling cult). My mom was a pastor, well respected, hard working, loving, kind, but still wrong. Loved her up until the end, she was a good person, and when I became an atheist, she loved me the same, right up to her death. We didn't agree, but we respected each others right to be wrong.

[@jonjohnson445]

21:50 It seems that it would be a god, or God's son with us, but instead it is in fact God with us.

[@jhljhl6964]

Who said "I shall cast terror in the hearts of non-believers"? And on his deathbed said "I have conquered through terror"? Whose ideology states that the end times shall come after the Jews have all been slaughtered?

[@modern362]

Hi MindShify, I recently subscribed yo your channel because i deconstructed a few months ago, and your videos have helped me alot. Have you thought about making a video about whats going on in Isreal and Palastine and why people are saying it was written by god or when war breaks out God will come.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I have one video that covers some parts but not all. Just search MindShift Israel Hamas. And thanks for being here!

[@halleyluther9462]

I actually thought i was a bad christian and i was being punished because i knew that if god asked me to sacrifice my child i I wouldn't do it. I thought for a while thats why i wasnt given children. Was perfectly in line with what i was taught... Man its fucking disturbing to think back on all of that....

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I have had those exact thoughts. Crazy

[@hamobu]

Primitive and barbaric people invented a primitive and barbaric God.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Indeed

[@sundayoliver3147]

I'm guessing that since a lot of us are still in thrall to that god, we also qualify for primitive and barbaric.

[@devin5312]

It’s crazy that people get their morality from a 2,000 year old ancient book but can’t use simple critical thinking skills 💀

[@istvansipos9940]

even crazier: people DON'T get their morality from a 2 000 year old, ancient book. they never even try to stone a first responder on any holy day, for example. They just rant about the b00k, and cherry pick some parts of it.

[@dannbon13]

Isaiah 45-7 coupled with my brothers suicide is what killed my belief. If god is claimed to never lie then claiming he created evil, I must take that at face value. If then that's to assume to be correct then then everything bad and evil that happened from the beginning to the end of time can be laid at the feet of god as his fault and free will is truly an illusion.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

I am so very sorry to hear that.

[@dannbon13]

@@MindShift-Brandon He was a young child 4-5 years old, he was in my care being babysat for my parents, I was only 14 at the time and he got hurt, fractured his skull. He was never right since then, I never forgave myself for it. He got caught up in drinking and drugs and killed himself with a gun, over a girl. During those years I prayed to god for help for him. At that time the pastor said unfortunately your brother is burning in hell for all eternity for the evil he committed, suicides go to hell. My brother wasn't evil, he had a brain injury. He got mixed up in substances and fell in love with a girl that didn't love him back. Why would god punish him like this. I started looking up the definitions of evil in the biblical sense and came across 45-7. It made no sense to me. How could a loving god be behind the creation of evil? All logic and common sense I had in that belief screamed for me to run from it. My prayers weren't answered, not because of my belief, but because there wasn't anyone on the other side to receive them. I forget where I heard it, it may have been one of your video's. Christians say atheists are really people that are just angry with god and reject him. I'm angry because I wasted my time praying where I could have been attending to my brothers needs and helped him more. Maybe he would still be alive. Apologies for ranting on off subject. ty for listening.

[@MindShift-Brandon]

@dannbon7727 thats such an impossible situation for a 14 year ild to bear and group up with. Rant accepted.

[@hybrocule5437]

Amos 3:6 [6]Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

[@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic]

I'm running out of snarky comments after so many videos Brandon. How many different ways can you say, 'Hahahahaha'?

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Lol no doubt! But i never get tired of saying thanks for watching!

[@ifeobasa5459]

I really can't wait till you get to rip the NT a new one. Much defenses of it are shrouded behind the fact the NT is somehow better because he was "more merciful" (as though that hides any of his atrocities). I was literally arguing with my mom the other day and she literally kept saying this rhetoric over and over (tbf I brought it upon myself for not researching it well enough to throw in her face but still dumb).

[@MindShift-Brandon]

Yes the NT is horrendous in its own unique way

[@sundayoliver3147]

I'm in the same situation, so far all I come up with is the hate-filled rants of Paul (which revolted me even as a child who thought I was supposed to accept all this as holy), and the fear-inducing hallucinatory rant of Revelations. Darkmatter 2525 goes into some of this and gave me helpful insights. Looking forward to having more info.