Ford LGT 165 - Walk Around

[@ALLAMBERT-wu9vv]

I have one of these Ford LGT 165 tractors which I bought new back in 1980 c/w 2 stage snowblower, 42" mower deck, tiller, rear weight box, tire chains and chrome hubcaps. It's been a great tractor over the years and I still use it for snowblowing in winter and for tilling my garden in summer. It's had a few brackdowns over the years but nothing serious and I just fix it and still going strong. Never regretted this purchase.👍🛠

[@mi2tn]

Great review. Brought back some memories. Back in '78 I bought a new LGT 165 with a mower deck and rear tiller. The rear tiller was powered off the front of the engine with a pulley about where you put your idler pulley. Had a shaft on it that ran to the back on the left side which powered the tiller. I had it for 14 years. Went through 2 of them shafts for the tiller. It would bend and wear out the 2 bearings on the side. After the first time I could never get it to be dead straight. I thought it was straight but some where it wasn't as it kept wearing out the bearings and then the shaft would bend. It was my first garden tractor and did a ton of work for me. I ended up trading it in '92 but I don't remember the dash ever being broke at the hood latch. It was still in great shape except for the shaft for the tiller. I had to have something with a rear PTO that was more robust. Ended up trading it for a 425 John Deere where the PTO came right out of the trans. like most tractors are. Thanks for bring back memories.

[@mikesecondo2254]

Looks Just like the one I have....I have owned this for 24 years...still to this day awesome strong machine!!!

[@robertjordan9075]

Another awesome machine. I grew up on a sharecropper farm in 50s and 60s and have always loved tractors and cars and trucks. Love the details. Keep up the good work.😎😎😎

[@bencarpenter9107]

I am 13 and i have 4 garden tractors and I am restoring a 1966 wheel horse 856 with a Kohler K serieres 8 hp and is froze up have bought many of your parts and are amazing thanks.

[@Huntersprojects]

No way someone like me…?! That’s awesome I have a ford LGT195 and some other lawn tractors 🚜

[@zanderxymox]

I love how informational these videos are, defiantly one of the best tractor channels on KZbin! Job well done :D

[@Isavetractors]

Thank you!

[@guardian08527]

This is the family tractor that has been sitting outside in the field for the last 30 years. Nowhere near this condition but I didn't want the family tossing it because sentimental reasons. Starter motor went around 1998 and it was just left to deteriorate because we couldn't get parts for it anymore after Ford sold off their local tractor dealership and we weren't internet savy like today. Before this tractor, we had a much smaller Wheelhorse in the 70's but you couldn't do much towing or plowing with it because it wasn't heavy enough. We got the Ford here with the mower deck and that ran pretty well for 15 years. Dad replaced it with a Cub Cadet, which was a straight up Lemon as the gear shift for reverse broke within days and we made due with that until we got a John Deere front loader/mower combination in 2002. The John Deere is still running strong, the Cub Cadet, that piece of junk I broke up and sent to the town dump, pieces at a time after some scrappers took the engine, the Wheel Horse got dragged out to the curb for clean up week in the early 2000's after sitting outside for almost 20 years and turning into a solid rust lawn ornament. The blue Ford is still here.

[@ISEEORBS]

I've had this same tractor for many years. (mine is a mower) I acquired it from my deceased father. I'm about to see if I can get it running and then restore it to look like yours - color wise. I'm hoping you have a playlist to help me out lol. I just subscribed so I'm gonna check out your channel.

[@ericvoet2634]

Good job Norman,, they DON'T make them like they used to!✌

[@Isavetractors]

Thanks!

[@homesteadspirit9209]

Love my LGT165s nicest garden tractors out there honestly

[@texasinnovativeperformance6439]

I just bought one and with your help and videos i was able to get it running

[@ronaldhildebrand9316]

very cool tractors,they weren't as popular in canada but i do remember them when they were new......really enjoying the videos

[@bryancovert9821]

RE-STORMAN NORMAN , I'M A J.D. GUY LIKE MY FATHER WAS , I EVEN NAMED MY FIRST BORN J.D. . THAT BEING SAID , AS A MECHANIC , YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT FOR THE FORD TWO STAGE SNOWBLOWER !!!!! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK , BOTH ON YOUR PROJECTS AND YOUR VIDEO'S YOUNGMAN .

[@clintwill8715]

Thank you for videos .I have Jake 1650 with front end loader.Best garden tractors ever made.!!

[@ronsbeerreviewstools4361]

Thanks for posting , thats a good looking Ford Lawn Tractor.

[@cambobby2011]

Hi. I am an ''old'' subscriber here. With the help of your channel, tractors kind of became my new hobby. I just got myself a Ford LGT 165 for ''FREE''!!! Everything is on it, but the engine is ceased (at least, I think it is at first look. With all your tutorial videos, I can't wait to spend some time on it. And like you, my goal is to use it as a working tractor on my small homestead. Do you know How much these tractor (LGT 165) were sold from the dealership when new? And how much a similar tractor would sell for today when brand new in USA (or Canada where I live) ? I also bought an old Bolens 900 for $150, the engine is running very well, just need to clean the carb, and a missing connecting part for the shifter, and …. a seat! I always love these ''vintage'' tractors, and through channels like yours, now I am able to understand and work on them. I love your passion about these vinage tractors. Thank for all your videos. Keep up the good work. Good day to you all here.

[@thatswiss1385]

You are able to Talk intressting things over those little tractors! Subscribed!

[@toddmitchell2125]

I have had a LGT 125 for a few yrs. I originally bought it to clear snow since it came with a single stage snow blower. I used it for about 2 winters, but ithe blower was pretty out of balance and really shook. I recently removed the blower from the front of the tractor and it's basically headed for scrap metal. Maybe I should have not done that? We love using this tractor around the house / our campground! It runs great, all hydrostatic and fun to drive. I still have the rear tire chains and 85 lb wheel weights. I have not removed snowblower support bracket underneath yet. I'm kind of wondering if I could use the front PTO for something else someday. One issue I have is about a half a turn of play in the steering. Looks like there are issues with the gear box. My tractor looks very much like the tractor in this video.

[@DumbCarGuy]

Just put a set of 24x14x12's on the rear of my LGT165 open side with polished aluminum tractor puller wheels. Ribbed up front with polished rims. Looks great, expensive as hell but looks great.

[@jimhodge2606]

I just bought me a Ford garden tractor it's going to be a father and son project. definitely a nice tractor.

[@TedBishop1]

Norman Im surprised you dont have more subscribers your channel is worthy of it ! Keep up the good work fellow Mainer !

[@NilsKall]

I have the peerless 2600 axle on my Simplicity, It looks a lot like the 2500 axle on you tractor. It has a tube in it for checking oil level and also differential lock. I will be changing oil in it during my vacation. I will by using dextron III oil. Regards Nils from Sweden.

[@DS-lg2jb]

You are very knowledgeable at what you do

[@markcavaluzzi3920]

Great video. I purchased a 1994 LS45 Ford New Holland with a 16 hp kohler. Just had my first problem with it just lost shifting to all gears. Has a Hydrostatic transmission in it .Just happened haven't diagnosed it yet. Any tips.

[@Huntersprojects]

Did you fix it?

[@alanhardman2447]

Great video! Very informative and accurate. I agree with your assessment of the Jacobson and Ford tractors - my brother has a Ford 120 with a hydraulic lift system that operates a 12" single plow. It could easily handle a 2-bottom plow with better traction, such as ag-lug weighted tires and/or chains. Hmm - I guess I had better get to work on that... BTW - you have a great name - Norman is mine and my dad's first name. Keep up the good work!

[@TheIronDuke502]

From Mark in Kentucky. Norman, I have a Ford 17LGT hydrostatic tractor with the KT-17 Kohler engine. If my memory serves me correctly, Gilson manufactured the tractor that I have. The mounting ears near the top of the transmission housing are broken off - So there is no way to keep the transmission from moving around. Does my tractor have the same Peerless transmission as the one shown in your video. The rear cast iron axle looks identical to yours in the video. My Ford has a 48inch mower deck that used to do a fine job back when the tractor was still usable. I’m not sure if the KT-17 is a series 1 or series 2. Thanks for replying to my questions about my K-241 Kohler on my 107 Cub Cadet.

[@DarkSevariant]

Great Video, Norman..!!!

[@ronstuff6330]

I was getting ready to "like" this video, and went to go hit the like button, but I noticed you had 341 likes, and, since the engine is a K341, I didn't want to mess up the like count, and commented instead. Anyway, great video. This makes me want to go shoot a video of mine this spring. Thanks!

[@maximest-pierre6987]

So at the end you end up with 4 pulleys for the Pto? Or you did nt have one on the other side? I have a third one , on the other side Thank you for everything, great channel

[@JeremyKamutzki]

Thanks for this walk around. If you have the time, I have a quick question about that Kohler K341… I also have a close sided LGT 145, and a close sided LGT165 that I bought about 6 months ago (package deal). Something I noticed is that on the LGT145, it has that ‘teardrop’ shape air cleaner cover, but on the LGT165, it does not. It’s just a round air cleaner that covers the carb, but it still has a teardrop shape backing plate. I haven’t figured what the air tube to the right of the carburetor is (when looking at the side of the tractor). What is this air passageway, and do I need to have the teardrop shaped air cleaner, or is just the round one OK?

[@jeffreyjohnson1828]

Hi cool restoration. I have a lgt 145 that i am restoring. Can you tell me where to get the LGT decal ser an what the blue and cream paint colors are?

[@redneckmechanic7311]

I think I'm in love

[@keithsage7258]

I was given a LGT 165 by a good neighbor..There is a mower deck on the tractor, when I engage the PTO the motor stalls , it will not engage, the blades turn by hand . Have you ever had this problem? What should I look at to find the problem.

[@joelorozco3768]

Thinking about selling a Ford LGT 165 almost exactly the same condition as this one except for my seat needs some upholstrery work done to it. Got the mower attachment and snow plow with it. Any idea what it could be worth? Also, runs great and no crack on the dash..

[@bbruuse]

Norman, Great Video... Please HELP me find a snow blower for my 165

[@Isavetractors]

Where are you located? I have a pulse on one in Maine.

[@philipolah7279]

Hey Norman -- Please let me know if You still have the other LGT165 like this You used for parts on this build. I have one and looking for side covers. Thanks ! Philip.

[@Cowboy24BC]

Nice to see you posting videos more regularly now. I am a new subscriber but hope to see some more builds coming up. A little off topic I know, but do you by chance have a particular favorite brand or at least era of a brand that is your favorite? I presume you have a love for many of the brands given what you do and your website but was just curious if one particular one was dear to you for one reason or another. Thanks

[@Isavetractors]

Hey Zach, I am preparing to do more builds. With summer here, my business is super busy, and I have been using the tractors a lot to build my horse farm. So you will see more Tractor at Work Videos while the weather is nice. Next week I will be doing a video on a Root Ripper build for a Category 0 3 Point Hitch. Then in a couple of weeks, I will do a straight restoration on a 1960's Ford 120. My Favorite brand of Tractor is the Jacobsen Built Ford LGT's from the Mid 1970's. The best era for Garden Tractors are the Mid 1970's They were advanced, but still used all steel body parts. In the 1980's tractors were still made tough, but many companies started to use plastic in the dashboards. I am a young guy, so I don't mind plastic, but with a tractor those plastic dashes get beat up over time, and are harder to repair and make look nice.

[@ad356]

nice tractor. you dont see many of them, i worked on a couple ford LGT's but i cannot remember the model. i think it had a K321. any K series is a fantastic engine from the little under-rated K161 to the large K341, in reality all of the koher K series are under-rated, which all of the new stuff produced today is way over-rated. i really like kohler k series and onans but i personally would not buy an onan, they cost way too much to rebuild. that rear end is incredibly well built. you dont see that anymore. that kind of makes me wonder, what's better in your opinion? this rear end setup or the IH cub cadet? im partial to the cub cadet rear ends..... not the newer junk but the heavy duty quality farmall cub derived engine. so what's stronger? that cub rear end is tough to beat and they almost never break. i have a 1961 cub cadet original and the rear end is 55 years old, really a heavy duty setup for a 7hp rated tractor..... lol

[@Isavetractors]

Hi Andrew, thanks for your comment. I agree with you on the K Series Engines. That's why we specialize in developing parts for them. Keep them going for 100 more years! From a technical standpoint the rear end configuration on the Ford LGT series is better than on the IH Cub Cadets. They dissipate heat more efficiently, have a high and low gear range, and has a planetary style differential. However, they are a pain in the butt to remove and are lighter than the Cub Cadet Rear Ends. In a small tractor, I want as much weight as I can get in the rear, and the Cub Cadet Cast Iron Rear ends are HEAVY.

[@ad356]

IH built cub cadet sure are tanks. i own both a farmall cub and a cub cadet. they were and are still great machines. the cub cadet brand no longer has any value. mtd makes garbage and slaps the cub cadet name on junk that's not worthy of the name cub cadet. most people have no idea that name cub cadet exists because IH took their farmall cub transmission and put it into a small frame with a single cylinder engine. hence cub cadet. i own both machines so i can tell people a little about the history and how they share the same rear end. it made for a heck of a durable setup

[@Isavetractors]

There is a great hardcover book titled,Farmall Cub and Cub Cadet, by Kenneth Updike

[@ad356]

i think i actually have that book somewhere. the line had an incredible run that pretty much ended in 1980

[@jessslader1455]

I’m in Maine and have the same tractor, do you have a plow setup for this?

[@bigcharliesmodelgarage296]

Awesome. I have one I'm going to restore. Thanks for the videos. Where do you get the blue seats? I can find yellow and black.

[@Isavetractors]

For the seats I use a place called, Seat Warehouse.

[@bigcharliesmodelgarage296]

isavetractors ok thank you

[@rogerbegin3477]

I have a 125LGT with a snowblower and a 42 inch deck it runs off a belt off the front pulley with two other police under the front end to make it turn and go down to the snowblower but the 12 1/2 hp Kohler engine is welded to the frame is that normal looks like it’s factory I bought it probably 6-7 years ago

[@sjacobson1535]

Can you show back mount of snowblower to frame And idler pully I need to make one

[@dougwilson7736]

Norman great job on weight bracket. Crazy I just ordered 6 mtd from Home Depot!! Do you have a drawing of your bracket? Or could you make and sell me one?

[@roberteastcoastfun1635]

Can you lock the rear differential

[@danw1955]

Hah hah, just like mine, except newer.😉 I *almost* built a snow plow for mine back in 2009 or so, but we haven't had a significant snow storm for years here. (here being the mountains of western New Mexico). Anyway, like you were saying the hydrostatic transaxles in these are just about indestructible, as are those big 16 hp. cast iron Kohlers. The only thing I've done to mine mechanically, is replace a head gasket, fuel pump, and the ignition switch. Everything else on the tractor is pretty much bullet-proof. (besides the mower deck anyway) My 52" 3-blade deck has a bad pulley that needs replaced, but they have a 1" keyed shaft hole on a rather small 5" pulley. I have another pulley that would work if I cut the center out of the old one and weld it into the replacement pulley. I've sort of lost interest in it though since I've been pretty much disabled the last couple years.🙄

[@troydhansen4990]

I got a small ranch north of Las Vegas, NM and just bought an old MTD 995 18 hp hydro tractor the place,if your interested in selling her I'd make an offer.

[@danw1955]

@@troydhansen4990 Troy, yes, I'd be interested in selling it, plus I have a LGT 125 out back that's mostly a parts tractor that you would probably want to take with it. I have a 3 point hitch for it also. Please e-mail me at (redacted) Thanks!

[@troydhansen4990]

@@danw1955 cool. I will. Thanks

[@danw1955]

@@troydhansen4990 Haven't heard from you yet.. trouble with that mail address?? Just curious.

[@troydhansen4990]

@@danw1955exuse my absence, I've been really busy at work, and playing harder. Ill get on my email stuff. Sorry brother. Thanks. :)

[@macdee3056]

Very informative vid!! I'm looking at buying one.....it has an issue where it runs about a 1/2 hr and shuts down until it cools....any ideas about this issue?.. Thanks in advance

[@Isavetractors]

Yes, I have encountered this issue many times with myself and customers. 2 possibilities: fuel Pump not functioning properly, and it can no longer keep up with the fuel pumping, or your ignition coil is heating up causing too much resistance in the wiring and preventing a high voltage build up or your points are arcing too much due to a bad condenser causing no magnetic build up in the coil. Not a big deal to repair, so don't let it be a deal breaker for you. I normally replace the entire ignition system when I buy a tractor and start fresh. New wires, points, ignition coil, condenser and spark plug cable.

[@macdee3056]

Thanks for your input!!...We were leaning towards coils!. Thanks again

[@Huntersprojects]

I found a LGT195 for 500 bucks with a 60” deck and plow it doesn’t run been sitting for 5 years 500 bucks I think she’ll be mine shortly is that a good deal?

[@Isavetractors]

Yes great deal. We have the engine parts when you need them. I have a 195 myself, that I had to have shipped from MI. Still waiting to be restored by me.

[@tractors4us]

your the best! dont like wasting your time but i had to ask someone😀

[@Isavetractors]

My pleasure to help. You can always send me an email directly if you have more detailed questions.

[@tractors4us]

and the peerless 2500 gets oil in through the top rear cap thing?

[@ISEEORBS]

Hey Norman , so I just sent a lgt 125 close sided..... And it looks just like mine too. . Since my ID plate in the lower front left frame is missing. Wondering if you can tell me a way to identify which model I even have? Thanks Ps, I have visited your website and I do plan on ordering a few things from you. But I do need to now which mower I even have. I know it's a 16 horse, and from what I've gathered it's a K series.....

[@Isavetractors]

If your engine is a 16HP. It's a LGT165. 14HP is 145 and 12HP is 125.

[@Mark-zz9rt]

I love old garden tractors

[@doublemcustoms4852]

I am really hoping you can respond I would like to know The Color paint you used the blue and the white please.

[@Isavetractors]

This is Sail Blue and White. Rustoleum

[@doublemcustoms4852]

@@Isavetractors ok thank you so much I am restoring ford garden tracter so those colors are very helpfull

[@ISEEORBS]

What's the triangular reccesed spot on the back body between the red reflectors that's blocked off for?

[@Isavetractors]

That's a piece you cut out if you have a 3 point hitch so the top link can have clearance.

[@zacharycoslic1274]

What are your thoughts on the cub quietline series

[@znovosad555]

Where can I get decals for real side panels and front grill area? I want to repaint and decal mine. It's kind of rough looking

[@Isavetractors]

george bradish tractor company. Google them. Great people!

[@znovosad555]

isavetractors awesome thank you!

[@missionron]

What is the cut out for that is in the back, under the FORD letters? Thisnine hasnt been punched out..but mine has.

[@Isavetractors]

A 3 point hitch or a tiller lift

[@tractors4us]

thanks for reply😛so eaton pump has no dipstick,but top center fill bolt?

[@Isavetractors]

Correct. Unscrew the top oil fil/vent and unscrew middle level plug. Fill with oil until oil spills out of that middle plug. Dran plug is located on the bottom.

[@sheepapig9074]

i have a lawn boy GT 18hp and if im correct there's a ford that's exactly the same but labeled ford and a few different console control's

[@Isavetractors]

sheepapig yes there is a Ford GT18 which is the same as yours. Gilson made it. it is very different however than the LGT 165 in this video

[@sheepapig9074]

ah i see thanks for the reply

[@BroncoBillyGarage]

I got a question u may know I have the same model ford and the only way I cab start it is jumping it off the solenoid, I've changed the solenoid and key switch and it still wont crank with the key. I've checked it with a test light and I'm only getting power from the battery side and no power anywhere else, I've checked all the wires they r all connected and no breaks or anything, I'm at a loss with it idk what I gotta do but I figured put some brains together and hopefully someone can help me figure this out, thanks in advance to anyone who comments

[@Isavetractors]

Check your grounds. Good metal to metal connection especially between engine and frame since your engine sits on rubber mounts

[@BroncoBillyGarage]

@@Isavetractors ok I'll check it out thanks!!

[@BroncoBillyGarage]

@@Isavetractors checked all my grounds cleaned em all up, and I even went over my wires again still no luck, any other suggestions?

[@originalCN4]

So how quiet is it? Maybe borrow a decibel meter? Otherwise, great job!

[@Isavetractors]

What?!!!! ;)

[@originalCN4]

Maybe that is overkill, lol sorry 😉

[@Isavetractors]

Joking aside. All of the old single cylinder engine powered tractors are loud. Only way to quiet them down is with ear muffs.

[@originalCN4]

I guess with sound matting it would only increase the cost and slightly reduce the noise, if I get adventurous enough to even purchase an old subcompact tractor, I might think about it I guess

[@343photography4]

I have a 1982 ford lgt tractor but its a manuel transmission

[@SARDOG]

I want one!

[@gorgoths_ethos]

This is cool! How can I ask you a question about a tractor??

[@Isavetractors]

You can ask in the comments section here

[@tractors4us]

i have a 1979 ford lgt195.who makes the hydrostat trans? eaton or sundstrand?any help😛

[@Isavetractors]

It's an Eaton 11 Transmission Pump mated to a Peerless 2500 Rear End. I hope that helps.

[@homesteadspirit9209]

Norman i have a question. I purchased one of these bad boys and want to use it to mow. The pto clutch is toast...i for the life of me cant find a new one or even just parts. Do you have a suggestion as to wear to look?

[@Isavetractors]

I suggest to test the pto first to make sure it is indeed toast. Do this with a multimeter. Take a resistance test between the wire and the body (ground) of the clutch. You want to see a small number but not 0, OL or infinity. If it is indeed bad eBay or email me and maybe I have one.

[@homesteadspirit9209]

@@Isavetractors i have tested it yes ill email you tonight

[@homesteadspirit9209]

@@Isavetractors what is your email?

[@Isavetractors]

[e-mail]

[@raymcdaniels5310]

I need a double center pully ford LGT 100 or 120 1972

[@russgodin1578]

where can i find a snowblower for a ford 165 lgt

[@Isavetractors]

Russ Godin craigslist! just keep an eye out for them

[@russgodin1578]

ty

[@kevin9c1]

Sounds like Ford is priced like Simplicity. At least on the east coast, you get WAY more tractor if it says Simplicity instead of more common brands like JD, Cub or others. Works for me.

[@josem.2909]

Hey guys anybody know where can l get some engine mounts/ isolator mounts for a 14hp kholer engine on my 1979 wheel horse C-141 l've just bought it few weeks ago in pretty good shape except that it shakes a little at half throttle and l see the engine mounts rubbers are worn. Any help would be appreciated

[@Isavetractors]

Check out our website. We have a set. Www.isavetractors.com

[@ap3xglide962]

are the closed sided rare?

[@Isavetractors]

Ap3xglide not here in the Northeast USA. They are pretty common

[@ap3xglide962]

I live in Ontario Canada and Im about to buy a closed sided LGT 165 with a opposed twin kholer magnum 18 in it for 300$

[@Isavetractors]

Ap3xglide that's a good price. grab it! that's not the original engine but it will due!

[@ap3xglide962]

isavetractors Yep im going to jump right on the deal, im buying it from my buddy so thats why the price is so good lol

[@Isavetractors]

Ap3xglide congrats!

[@cubcadetmadness4673]

Cast iron cub cadet 3 speed rear end with the fine spline axles and good carrier is better in my opinion

[@cubcadetmadness4673]

Also on most cubs that drive shaft bolts on

[@raymcdaniels5310]

Need center double pully with the three bolt holes

[@raymcdaniels5310]

For ford LGT 100 app 1972

[@paulg444]

the best solution for that console is to use epoxy (and fiberglass on the back side).

[@jessesorrell3998]

Hi norm I am restoring a ford lgt 18hp model 9801811. Serial number L0L0445J0391 that I am starting to restore I didn’t know if u had any parts for or know where I could get any parts Thank u

[@BeingMe23]

Well I like the video.. But telling people that these Ford's are better then nearly all brands. Will raise demand and price. 🤑 So yes get these while they are cheap! BTW I remember riding on one of these as kid in the early 1980s. Yes they were quiet and powerfull!

[@DarkSevariant]

can that beautiful tractor, rototill 10 acres?

[@Isavetractors]

It could but it would take a very long time

[@kamshields7272]

i have a console with no cracks

[@keithsage1593]

I need a mower deck send a cmment if you can help

[@tractors4us]

STORMAN NORMAN!!!!

[@bryancovert9821]

larry garland his name should be RE-STORMAN NORMAN !!!!!

[@mr.cubcadet7778]

Cub cadet is so much better

[@bartjuhhh6416]

Ford lgt is expensive in the netherlands beqause the are rare

[@Isavetractors]

What is more common out your way? I see that Wheelhorse Tractors made their way across Europe.

[@bartjuhhh6416]

isavetractors mtd is more relevant I have a cub cadet 1315

[@bartjuhhh6416]

isavetractors and some murray trademarks are verry comon

[@bartjuhhh6416]

isavetractors wheel horse is very common