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[@silverltc2729]

I really want Hagia Sophia back to being a Church.

[@villainousssb533]

I think the only way that will happen is when there is widespread conversion to Christianity in Turkey Rob.

[@SzTz100]

There is an Islamic prophecy that says it will be given back to the Orthodox Christians, and that it was taken by Muslims who were misled by the anti-Christ. It should never have been taken in the first place. Of course notwithstanding prophecies, they can just hand it back, makes no sense to use it as a mosque.

[@JordanX767]

It’s still a church. I refuse to call it otherwise. I refuse to let them erase History.

[@SoldierOfAlIah]

😂😂 pathetic Christian’s so the their stupid false accusations that has been disproven

[@almazchati4178]

How will you do that? US has not won a single war since WW2. WW2 victory is thanks to using atomic weapons. They can be deployed from space these days.

[@centurysince4312]

The guy who led an armed siege of the Masjid Al-Haram in the late 1970s believed that his brother in law was the Mahdi.

[@Hannestv4607]

*what a mistake in the Qur'an!* Allah himself testifies that he has a son and he is the son as Christians understand it! Only the Koran writer was too ignorant to know what Son of God means! Allah's word which created everything is Allah himself too! *The Word Allahs which created everything is the Son of God according to Christianity!*

[@Hannestv4607]

Son of God does not mean that God has a child in Christianity! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!* Son of God are 2 titles one referring to the Word of God = God himself and one referring to creation (humans, angels, demons)

[@n.31]

​@@Hannestv4607have you read that from a zion website😂 man if you gonna read the quran at least go read the original scripture of quran with translation as muslims do and also read from a original bible and torah. Y'all so brainwashed these days unbelieveable 😂

[@Hannestv4607]

Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, *by whom also he made the worlds;* as everyone can see the term Son of God refers to the Word of God = god himself! For through that God created the worlds! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!*

[@Hannestv4607]

John 1,1 -3 + 14 confirms the creator of all creation (the Word) became human! = YHWH! as everyone can see the term Son of God refers to the Word of God = god himself! For through that God created the worlds! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!*

[@Joe-zz2io]

The title of the video is what exactly is happening to me rn! I just can't unsee it!!!

[@One_voice369]

islam = Messianic Jewish off shoot!! I agree You are 100% correct

[@ic.xc.]

How do we reconcile all the Sahih Bukhari hadiths on the personal life of a guy called Mmhd ? Marrying multiple women, compiling a Quran, raiding caravans and dealing with the pagan quraish

[@One_voice369]

@@ic.xc. hadiths and tafseers are later additions There is no muhammad, ahlay beath, mecca or history of modern day islam in quran Later additions

[@One_voice369]

@@ic.xc. hadiths and tafseers are later additions There is no muhammad, ahlay beath, mecca or history of modern day islam in quran Simply later additions

[@marktwain8121]

​@@ic.xc.Like this guy said ,be You can easily reconcile with the fact that there was no muhamad but instead multiple jewish caliphs with the mhmd title ,and the creation of muhamad is based on this multiple muhamads .

[@EnaK.ktoridouKK]

the anti christ will be coming from sypria with jewish roots > you can see they were illerate people in language and copying a religion and molding it as a off shoot of judeoChristianity > mostly they copy the jewish language, law , religion , clothing and way of life to jewish people > like they want to ease them and falsely take their place as God chosen people with a false religion , orgins and new people ishmaelites> there are no evidense and proof arabian tribes came from > islam is not and abrahamic relogion

[@leedza]

For Ishmaelites they sure do love Davidic names.

[@n.31]

Of course the muslims and the real jews are cousins. It would likely happen to be that acient hebrew is similar to arabic. And I am not talking about the yiddish language that they speak now and was invented in the late 19th century pre establishment of state of isnotreal and is a mixture of Arabic russian and european language . The arabic language is more preserved. And the original hebrew language is gone forever. Why do they call it the language of the death ones?? Yiddish of today is an artificial language everybody can hear that😂 even some christians says I can not bear that language anymore. What do you expect if they misguiding everyone and serving the dark prince for centuries. I even feel sorry for the israelites who think they are jews but are actually not.

[@AncientHebrewNeverDied]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@HistoryNexusII]

Not Ismaelites exclusively, Muslims also lay claim spiritually to Israelites

[@dorkusmaximus3033]

Thanks!

[@IslamicOrigins]

Thank you, much appreciated!

[@dpheneghan2]

Isn't it likely that Islam may have started out as a messianic cult but the memory of this fact may have been lost very early on, and the messianic ascribed names of the caliphs over the centuries may be simply attributed to tradition, with no awareness on the part of the nominees of the import of such names.

[@mysotiras21]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@MrDaftFunk]

I blame the mongol destruction of Baghdad, I think Islam as we know it started then and there. Just a theory though.

[@mysotiras21]

@@MrDaftFunk , Islam may have become much nastier and more bellicose after the destruction of Baghdad. Impossible to know since the historical data are sparse.

[@knightforlorn6731]

We also have a messiah. He has graciously opened the invitation to everyone, jew gentile and that includes muslims and anyone else who wishes to find forgiveness of sin, salvation from death, love from a huge community. Christ Jesus bless you all.

[@karenthompson1337]

Oh my goodness Mel!!!! Brilliant 😊

[@mysotiras21]

Excellent sleuthing! The whole world needs this info and insight!

[@lydiaanello6208]

I've had jews literally tell me that Muslim are cousins now I see why.

[@physiocrat7143]

Mainly because Muslims copy some Jewish practices, and their descent from Ishmael. The rest of this theory makes no sense.

[@Mohsen-T-Far]

they are cousins but jews are not the father

[@physiocrat7143]

@@Mohsen-T-Far Orthodox Christianity is in many ways closer to OT Judaism than is Rabbinic Judaism. Ishmael would be a wild ass.

[@Mohsen-T-Far]

​@@physiocrat7143 are you talking about a religion in location of today's syria (old persia and now islamic lands) from a book with name of enjil written in aramaic (very close alphabet system as arabic) that was translated to english (artificially created language) 5 centuries ago, from a calendar that was created 5 centuries ago base on persian sun calendar ? or another nonsense political history of god knows which country of which planet. what are you even talking about !?

[@silvesan9162]

​@@Mohsen-T-Far😂😂😂😂 by your standard EVERY language is "artificial." You may want to listen to Mel's series, in sequence, so you can understand and learn.

[@leedza]

One way to look at it. Sunni Islam is a reformation thats takes away devine lineage while Shia maintains a devine line. Going back to 8th and 9th century how many known Mahdi cults existed that eventually fizzled out or got absorbed into the many Islamic Schisms still in existence today. That could give an indication of the temperature on the ground. Doing away with Mahdi movements either through religious leaders or political ones under a Quaranic Interpretation reformation would have given the Empire builders better control of ideology. The enter the Hadith and Sira to personify the Muhammad and also add some kingdom building propaganda.

[@n.31]

What are you talking about 😂 Muslims are either of two denominations: Sunni (87-90%, roughly 1.7 billion people) or Shia. Sunni means following the teachings of all prophets until Mohammed pbuh but worshipping only Allah. Shia are slightly different but we consider them as muslims too. They have taken the political ideology into the religion that they have to have a imam as their leader for their country and religion. They belief also in all the prophets. It is like the christians are devided into christians, mormons, orthodox christians, evangelic, protestants, catholics who follow the pope and church. So 90 %of the muslims do not follow the mosque or political leaders or what a imam has to say. We do not even confess our sins to him. And what is up whit the mahdi syndrome 😂 He is not our messiah/messih The messiah is going to be Isa or jesus pbuh. It is unavoidable that there will come a day that people will have no moral compass, corruption extends over its limits...it is even happening now. Even christianity says that this will happen. The muslims are being persucuted for decades now not only in palestine. Only in Afghanistan, iraq and pakistan they have killed over 1.3 million civillians and this is only a estimation. Not counted are the people who were unrecognizable due to bombing not found under the rubble, missing,....millions of muslims have died over the past 20 years let alone africa who are being slaugthered by so called militians but who are payed by you know who. Mahdi will be the leader of the army from the muslims when they are gonna be persecuted even more. It has nothing to do with an ideology or the antichrist. As we see know the whole world governments are corrupt and do not have good intentions for humanity. It is only devide and conquer. And at the end it is going to be us also the christians and the real jews against these wicked people. That is unfortunately how it will go according to the predictions of our beloved prophet. Jesus is the messiah and will be sent by God.

[@mysotiras21]

Interesting!

[@HistoryNexusII]

Sunnism doesn't discard 'divine lineage' altogether, but it conditions it with merit, so lineage alone is not enough. Also the scholars were a powerful and respected social class who would not allow the caliphs to toy with the religion.

[@mysotiras21]

@@HistoryNexusII , chances are excellent that the "scholars" were groveling servants of the caliphs, or even in cahoots with the caliphs. That is simply human nature.

[@kuntul_burung]

100% agree with the title

[@rahimbinselamat3233]

Thanks for your research, Mel!

[@SzTz100]

This was great, but why 480p.

[@hagalhagal9989]

Abdilla is a common surname in Malta. Didn't expect that to be the exact version used by the caliphs. I made a cursory search on the Internet and it seems to not exist in Arabic countries, except for maybe Turkey, which cannot be said to be an Arabic country.....

[@marksutton5540]

That thorough. Keep working

[@jillybe1873]

Islam is proud of being a prophetic continuation of judaism and Christianity, this is hardly news.

[@Louis.R]

Emir or Omar, reduced to Amr, in Hebrew is אמר - This is clearly messianic (has nobody recognised this??) *it means Logos/Word/Speech*

[@HistoryNexusII]

Emir (أمير) and Omar (عمر) comprise of different letters, they don't even share the same root. They only seem similar if you (poorly) transliterate them into english.

[@Louis.R]

@@HistoryNexusII Thank you for your comment. What I should have written was "Amr, in Hebrew is אמר ("Speech") - which in Hebrew can be Omar as well as Emir, depending on diacritics. N/less אמר as "Speech" as seems clearly messianic (ie Logos/Word). Has nobody recognised this??" and then I might have asked the question whether or not this name might also be not inappropriately rendered Emir, Umar, etc, in languages such as Arabic, but more importantly, Judeo-Arabic, Aramaic or Syro-Aramaic. Christ love you.

[@HistoryNexusII]

I understand your claim but from a morphological standpoint, Emir (أمير) meaning leader or prince, is a derivitive of the root verb Amara (أَمَرَ) 'to command'. In Hebrew it would be spelled as אמיר meaning the top of something or a pinnacle. In Arabic א is equivalent to أ. While ع, which is used in the names Omar (عمر) and Amr (عمرو), would be equivalent to the Hebrew ע‎. So it has a different semitic root than the word מר‎א.

[@ftk-forthekingdomministrie7439]

Wow. You're right. It is hard to unsee!

[@jpw4610]

With all due respect Mel, I don't really get the point of this video. Most of the big religions, certainly the Abrahamic ones, are messianic. Islam doesn't stick out in this regard. That many of the caliphs chose names with messianic connotations is interesting but was probably no more that a easy way of beefing up their reputations.

[@IslamicOrigins]

I'm interested in working out whether Islam is something new an Arab prophet in a desert religion, or something quite familiar a Messianic religion, like Christianity and Islam. That the signature is of messianism and not "prophetism" is an important part of the jigsaw. Identifying the other messianic titles - that are less obvious - is also important. The bottom line is in the 7th century: did Islam begin due to an illiterate man in a desert or was it because they were expecting a messiah: the eividence points to the latter and the tradition is so strong for that, that it has left an imprint in the caliphate right up to modern times.

[@modestmouse2889]

i concur

[@ericmatthaei9711]

If I understand the argument correctly, you are saying that Muhammad, and the many variations of the name, are a messianic title; therefore, the historical rulers who received or adopted those names were setting themselves up as messianic figures. Okay, but why should we assume that they were presenting themselves as messianic, as opposed to simply reflecting their reverence for the person they considered their greatest prophet? If the rulers' use of the name is meant to convey messianic promise and meaning, what about the ordinary people who were also using that name? Am I missing something?

[@leonidjudah]

So Mel, did you mean early Islam made by Exilarch thought that Jesus was "Messiah Ben Joseph", and the "Chain of Muhammads" were "Messiah Ben David" line until the God Judgement comes? Please correct my understanding...

[@Marcus_Tullius_Cicero]

What is the purpose of this video really? You showed us a bunch of names of various Muslim rulers and you claim they were "messianic" whatever that means. Muhammad is muslim name of course some Muslim rulers have that name. Abd al-malik and Abd Al-Aziz are just another variations of Abdullah (servent of God), Al-Aziz and Al-malik are other names of Allah not the messiah (see Quran 59:23). I really want you to make informative videos based on facts and scholarly works. These videos on the other hand are completely misleading and I think you're not really interested in the origin of Islam.

[@Marcus_Tullius_Cicero]

My comment is not meant to be taken as a personal attack against you, I just felt I needed to provide some constructive criticism which you might find helpful if you are sincerely trying to know the truth. Looking at random muslim and Jewish names to prove some similarities is not the best approach.

[@user-ml7bg6ki4y]

It is said that the prophet is the prophet of end times so according to islamic view we are in the end time for more than 1000 year And it is said that one of the oldest motto ( words) in wars was 'ya mansur o met' which means o victor (mansur) kill One last thing prophet nicknamed mohamad amin because people trusted their belongings to him but it is very similar to 3:08

[@Backstabber03]

How shia and sunnis came into being if Muhammad didn't existed?

[@urbandsouza7279]

Mashiha to shiha.? Nestorian rituals?

[@marktwain8121]

How did the protestants appeared ?they break away from the papacy religion .

[@urbandsouza7279]

@marktwain8121 yes.plus theological new definitions

[@marktwain8121]

@@urbandsouza7279 Yes,the answer is not complicated ,anyone could ask how mormonism appeared ,how jehova witnesses appeared ,how calvinism appeared ,how the baptists appeared ,etc

[@jillybe1873]

There is no question about the existence of Mohammed its on other records, they already had writing and records by then.

[@raimohoft1236]

You spelled Death Cult wrong again... 🤗

[@husseinmohammed8654]

Just wanted to say that 👆

[@RedWolf75]

Mel, you always live to throw Camel animations!

[@IslamicOrigins]

haha, yeah, that's like a running joke now. :)

[@RedWolf75]

@@IslamicOrigins I like when you had that Camel who sang to Iyas

[@rev.brianlynch22]

I don't understand the series of Messiahs. For Christians, Jesus is THE Messiah and that's the end of it, because he rose from the dead glorified, and noone else has done that. How are all these "Mohammeds" legitimate Messiahs? Why don't they accept Jesus?

[@physiocrat7143]

This video makes no sense.

[@doyouknoworjustbelieve6694]

All religions are man made. 3/4 of the stories Quran are edited copies from Biblical myths and legends, which were made up by writers of the books that formed the Bible, or copied from ancient Babylonian, Greek, Canaanite and Egyptian myths. The similarities do not support the common divine origin, because these stories contradict science and proven history through archeology and comparative parallel human history. Biblical and Quranic morality is also focused on supremacy, exclusion, land annexation in the name of the divine, enslavement of women as sex slave, acceptance of slavery and belief in superstition, non existent beings, magic and the power of prayers.. Also a childish belief in eternal heaven and hell with various degrees of bodily pleasures or sadistic torture for ever and ever and ever…

[@_BillyMandalay]

​@@doyouknoworjustbelieve6694 Your convinient personal fantasies are entirely manmade. We believe 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 we know. That's opposite of the assumption that your username implies about you.

[@fellowtraveller1071]

I believe i read that at least some of the believers who took Jerusalem expected the messiah to come down from heaven as a consequence of their conquest. When Jesus failed to come back, they needed to rationalise this. Hence, their leaders became the messiah. Can't remember where I read that.

[@physiocrat7143]

@@fellowtraveller1071 It gets worse and worse. As I understand it, current thinking with that religion is that the Messiah will come when the last Jew has been killed. Current Christian thinking about Jews appears to span a spectrum. The RCC view is that there is no need to evangelise Jews because they are already God's chosen people and that the covenant still applies. Orthodox teaching is that Orthodox Christians the authentic continuation of Temple Judaism and the Jews are invited to "The Feast" together with everyone else.

[@Gorillarevolta]

Really appreciate the video but Ali is different to Eloi Ali begins with ayn. Eloi begins with alef

[@IslamicOrigins]

Yes, did you not hear me say that people thought Jesus said Eli, when he said Eloi? The point is the Messiah is linked to Eli. And also Elijah.

[@Gorillarevolta]

The name Eli (5941) is not related to Elijah. You are right, Eli עלי is the same as Ali علي However, Eli begins with ayn and Elijah begins with alef. Eli not related to Elijah as it is in English. "my God" in Psalm 22 in Aramaic is אלהי. Elijah can be spelled אליה. Perhaps the beginning א of the second אלהי made it sound like Elijah. I think a possible connection with Jesus being exalted could be with Isaiah 52:13 and Philippians 2:9

[@corvusglaive4804]

It all makes sense now... I always asked myself, why, if the Arabs were essentially Romans themselves, would they turn on Constantinople? Simple - because the Jews instigated them to do it! They couldn't sell Judaism to them as most of them were already Christian. They couldn't discount Jesus as he was held by them to be a prophet at the very least. So the next best thing they could do was create a syncretic faith that could unite Jews and Arabs against the Roman enemy of the Jews, without forcing the Arabs to compromise their love of Jesus. The Jews appeared to do rather well under Islamic rule - now we know why!

[@RedWolf75]

Although the first Arabs to join the Iraqi Jews, were the Tayyeye and Lhakmids, who were Iraqi Arabs. After they drove the Sassanians out of Iraq, they then attacked the Roman Levant. The Roman Arabs joined them. It is very likely the Ummayads, probably even worked for the Romans in Damascus before they decided to take over the Arab state.

[@TheLinguist601]

The Arabs weren't Romans, they were auxiliary troops, for both the Byzantines, and the Persians - primarily. The Byzantines, and Persians had exhausted themselves fighting with each other. Economically, literally playing a game of last man standing. The benifits the Arabs were getting, in pay, pension, citizenship, land grands, titles and deeds for fighting were already deminished greatly, before the "Arab revolt". The major sects of Arab Christianity already undergone a scism with the Byzantine Church in the four hundreds. The loyalty of the Arabs ran just as deep as the pockets of the Byzantines. And those pockets were running dry. They would have rebelled, no matter what. They didn't require any instigation, to fight. The instigation only made sure Jerusalem, was the primary target. Otherwise they may have focused on an other city first.

[@physiocrat7143]

The massacre of Jews in 627 and their expulsion from Saudi Arabia destroys any notion of collaboration between Muslims and Jews. Muslims believe that the messianic age begins when the last Jew has disappeared.

[@doyouknoworjustbelieve6694]

All religions are man made. 3/4 of the stories Quran are edited copies from Biblical myths and legends, which were made up by writers of the books that formed the Bible, or copied from ancient Babylonian, Greek, Canaanite and Egyptian myths. The similarities do not support the common divine origin, because these stories contradict science and proven history through archeology and comparative parallel human history. Biblical and Quranic morality is also focused on supremacy, exclusion, land annexation in the name of the divine, enslavement of women as sex slave, acceptance of slavery and belief in superstition, non existent beings, magic and the power of prayers.. Also a childish belief in eternal heaven and hell with various degrees of bodily pleasures or sadistic torture for ever and ever and ever…

[@doyouknoworjustbelieve6694]

Please don’t pull history from 👉behind

[@cavalier2097]

We need the real narrative how and why this occult cult was created.

[@Ikey504]

Its a Christian heresy that metastasized into a different religion

[@marktwain8121]

It was created because it attacked christianity ,it is a satan creation .

[@leedza]

There a few more names used by Islamic monarchs "Khalid " Everlasting, Faisal - Sword/Judge (Like the Sword on the Early Islamic coins),

[@n.31]

Wrong xio everlasting is qayum and judge is Hakim in arabic. So keep on spitting lies you follower of the ac😂

[@leedza]

​​@@n.31eternal", "endless" or "immortal. I'm taking this straight off modern translations. I won't claim to be an expert at languages but that's what comes if you look for the meaning of Khalid. For Faisal. "the arbitrator or separator between good and evil [actions of people in the religious context]"

[@n.31]

​@@leedzathe problem that most people do not understand is , is that arabic has over 1 million words and english for example. 300 000 words. A second problem is that there are many websites who are xio and keep pushing these words. And unlike the yiddish invented language who only excists since late 19th centurie we do not have modern explenations or translations of arabic words. The original acient arabic is still speaken untill this day. And as arabic have over 1 million words there are many synonyms. Another word for eternal everliving is hayum. So it is not pick and choose only one word from the various meanings and synonyms.

[@leedza]

​@@n.31I get your explanation however, the same can be said that some Arabic words have Aramaic roots of which the original meaning can only be derived from Aramaic roots. As we are finding out with the so called dark passages in the Quran.

[@leedza]

@@n.31 since you understand the language better what's your translation of Faisal and Khalid

[@williambrewer]

That was not at all clear to me. I guess I'm just not getting it.

[@IslamicOrigins]

Your feedback is helpful. I will try and do a follow up video that gets back to basics to provide a context for understanding all of this.

[@williambrewer]

@@IslamicOrigins okay, thanks!

[@paulellis5101]

Hi, Mel, Great vid, VERY professional. Wondered if you might be interested in my current thinking: The Qur'an refers to Jesus several times as the 'massih', whilst endorsing the gospel account of his crucifixion, resurrection and ascension (+ refuting Talmud references to the contrary). The Q also agrees with the gospels that Jesus will return as 'a portent of the Hour' and 'a witness against the people of scripture.' Several 7-8C sources refer to the Qur'an author as the 'Mhmd' (the 'longed for one,' the title especially referencing the temple [per Song of Songs; Ezekiel), and clearly a messianic title. NB in the Q Jesus is presented prophesying Ahmad and in parallel with Mhmd. However, the Q author sees himself as a military leader that will conquer + purify Jerusalem, Allah's viceroy in the earth; v different to his depiction of Jesus. The key, it seems to me, lies in the Jewish belief in two messiahs, the pure sacrificial Messiah ben Joseph and the powerful and regal Messian ben David who will conquer Jerusalem in preparation for the MbJ's return to it in triumph. The Q author uses the title masih for the former (Jesus) whilst claiming the latter title (Mhmd) for himself. This explains why the Doctrina Iacobi describes the unnamed Saracen leader of a Saracen-Jewish alliance as preaching the imminent return of Jesus. (Obvs the Q author does not accept the traditional prophecy of the MbD lineage, since he proudly declares himself to be a descendant of Ishmael, but he was quite comfortable being creative in such matters, the Q implying that Jacob was a third son of Abraham, rather than Abraham's grandson through Isaac). I suggest that after the Q author's mission ended in personal failure, the Q author dying before the Arab conquest of Jerusalem led by his rival, Umar, the Umayyads came to adopt the longstanding Christian view that Jesus is both the sacrificial and royal messiah in one. Hence, after 630s, the term Mhmd, used earlier for the Q author and Arab warrior prophet, comes to be used instead for Jesus (on coins, the DOTR inscription, etc). Later, obvs, the Abbasids weave an elaborate but entirly invented story of Muhammad ibn Abdallah of Mecca, that confuses and conceals this complex history.

[@IslamicOrigins]

An excellent theory. I was only just thinking about the Messiah ben Joseph vs Messiah ben David earlier today, maybe it is from a comment below, but it feels providential that you mentioned it. I think the Sefer Zerubbabel might hold some of the keys to unlocking this. I'm hoping to study this tomorrow to see if it is useful.

[@paulellis5101]

@@IslamicOrigins Have you read Messiah Ben Joseph by David C Mitchell? I v much rate it as a book, and it includes translations of about ten Jewish apocalypses. I think that the Q turned to apocalypse mode after the crushing of Nehemiah ben Hushiel's temple worship restoration project, in common with all these Jewish apocalypses, but unlike them, I don't see any trace in the Q that it's author saw NbH as the MbJ.

[@IslamicOrigins]

@@paulellis5101 I haven't. I will need to look it up.

[@paulellis5101]

@@IslamicOrigins I could post you my copy if you like. Or scan it and email you a PDF (but it would take so much time, probably easier to post it). You can give it back to me next time you're in London. It's quite heavily annotated!

[@IslamicOrigins]

@@paulellis5101 I bought it yesterday.

[@coffeecup7084]

Hello Mel

[@IslamicOrigins]

Hello coffee up! 😀

[@Backstabber03]

Who was abu laheb from Qur'an 111?

[@ARRusulOneMessage]

Moses' Pharoah

[@ARRusulOneMessage]

Moses' Pharoah.

[@ARRusulOneMessage]

Moses' Pharoah..

[@DusTman761]

​@@ARRusulOneMessagehow do you know its Pharaoh?

[@ARRusulOneMessage]

@@DusTman761 40:37] the cords of the heavens, and look upon Moses' God; for I think that he is a liar.' So the evil of his deeds was decked out fair to Pharaoh, and he was barred from the way, and Pharaoh's guile came only to ruin(TABAAB). SURAH 11 verses 96 to101 Musa and pharoah story 11:101] And We wronged them not, but they wronged themselves; their gods availed them not that they called upon, apart from God, anything, when the command of thy Lord came; and they increased them not, save in destruction(TABEEB). SURAH 111 VERSE 1 [111:1] Perish (TABBATH)the hands of Abu Lahab, and perish he (TABBA) !. Root word TABAB These words represents pharoah and his people in the Quran. Four times repeated in the Quran

[@Louis.R]

Al Farouk, "separator of good and evil," from prophecy: "...the Virgin will conceive and give birth to a Son, and he will be called Emmanuel (God with us). He [the Saviour] will eat milk and honey, until such time as he'll know to *reprove the Bad and elect the Good*" - Isaiah 7:10-15 (from the 1962 Missal reading for the Feast of the Incarnation)

[@elsoil3387]

Looking at the meanings of common names seems to be a very strange way of trying to prove your point. It is more likely that Muhammad was influenced by heretical Christians who were banished by the mainstream Christian community to live on the outskirts of the Byzantine empire, which then included Arabia. (It's interesting to note that one of the very first churches was built in Saudi Arabia, look up the Jubail church). Muhammad's first wife's cousin, Waraqa ibn Nawfal was a Christian Ebionite ascetic / priest and early supporter. The Ebionites Christology is very similar to Islam and even worse for Muhammad, when Waraqah died, it seemed so too did his revelation!

[@IslamicOrigins]

But you accept Islamic narratives...

[@elsoil3387]

@@IslamicOrigins Shouldn't I? It doesn't really serve them well to admit a Christian pretty much inspired the Qur'an.

[@marktwain8121]

​@@elsoil3387There was no muhammad ,it was only a title ,all the so called muhamads were jews ,and the caliphs were also jews ,this thing was already explained in a video 4 months ago on this channel . In rest of your post i agree with your idea that heretical Christian ideeas were involved in creation of Islam ,nestorianism ,gnosticism and other types of heresies . The ideea is when the Persian empire attacked the eastern roman empire the jews,arabs and heretical christians were also involved .

[@mysotiras21]

Good points. i suspect that you have elements of the truth, just as Mel does. The actual origin of Islam is likely to have been very messy, considering the social and political upheavals in the Levant from the 5th-8th centuries.

[@Blissblizzard]

Quoting the Christian scholar in the field of Oriental studies, Irfan Shahîd, he says that there is no evidence that the Ebionites remained until the 7th century AD, much less that they had a presence in Mecca. I've watched this twas the Christians wot dunnit narrative get stitched together over my lifetime, hysterical zionist evangelicals have also turbocharged it, which really doesn't help their long term case, but, when their bloods up...

[@jaewok5G]

mohammed would've been a belieber.

[@user-wb1gs1jy5r]

bro why are you deleting my comment? c'mon, debate me, i am waiting

[@IslamicOrigins]

No time to delete your comments. It is the algorithm.

[@armintitanic6522]

it was a messianic cult then the mentioned names lost their initial importance they once had

[@norule0]

What do you expect to stone kissers

[@Hrabns]

Respectfully you just rambled by the end. The Qur’an is an Ebionite-Nazarene book. This has been acknowledged by scholars and Muslims themselves many times over. I agree with the general premise because you’re correct but again respectfully it was just rambling by the end. Isa Ibn Maryam is the Kingly Messiah according to Islamic tradition and will in the future be the Suffering Messiah as he comes back and dies. For now, as the Qur’an teaches Isa Ibn Maryam is King of the Nasara ie the Nasarenes. Muhammad saw himself as the final prophet before the coming of the Messiah. After his death, his followers had to figure out. Whys the Messiah not coming? The final verse of the Qur’an gives us the answer. 110:1 When comes (the) Help (of) Allah and the Victory, 110:2 And you see the people entering into (the) religion (of) Allah (in) multitudes. 110:3 Then glorify with (the) praises (of) your Lord and ask His forgiveness. Indeed, He is Oft-Returning. These three verses are the final verses revealed to Muhammad in order of revelation. It’s a marching order, conquer the world. Spread Islam so that the Messiah may return. Synonymous with the Great Commission in Christianity. Except one very important difference, Muhammad rejected Christianity. He believed in Jesus but not as the “son of god” or “god himself” rather as the Anointed One, the promised Messiah. To bring about the Anointed One he believed he and his followers must conquer the world. Read in context and with an open mind this is the most obvious conclusion. Before I leave and to all, please any questions I’ve been fascinated by this topic for quite some time. What’s the Injeel? I love this question. Read in context the Qur’an never! Uses the word “Christian” rather it uses Nasara. The Nasara Injeel referred to in the Qur’an is most likely a Jewish-Christian gospel mix of Gnostic and Nazarene texts. Something akin to a “sayings gospel” while Mark, Matthew, Luke and John are entirely rejected as heretical Then also let me nip 4:157 in the butt, the crucifixion was an illusion. It “happened” in a sense that people saw it but you can’t kill the Word of God. So in the same sentence it didn’t happen. Jesus in Islam is essentially a human being empowered with the spirit of God. 2000 years later, fully alive and waiting for the order to return once the true followers of God (the Believers/Muslims) conquer the world. Great video any questions please ask I have proof for all my claims.

[@yankubjabbi1883]

You forget to mention salim the first and second also memet the first and the second all are messianic titles

[@cathys465]

That all depends on your definition of the word "Messiah".

[@fiditenemini2452]

Ha-mashiach (the Messiah; melekh ha-mashiach: King Messiah) - Jesus Christ. Mashiach (the anointed one) - wide variety of individuals. He's referring to a future "Jewish king", allegedly from the Davidic line, who will be "anointed" to be king of "God's kingdom", and rule the Jewish people during their "Messianic Age", a.k.a. Anthichrist.

[@mutamirmukhzani1240]

Jesus is a transliteration of the Hebrew yehoshua which is the title of the one who would bring the exiled jews back into their promised land. Just as Joshua Ben nun did. The new testament jesus never existed as a person

[@cathys465]

@@fiditenemini2452 Islam teaches that Jesus was the Messiah. That statement does not line up with the definition you gave us here. Do you see why I said "That all depends on your definition of the word "Messiah"."?

[@ruisantos5588]

Moon god with Peado prophet..nope

[@user-zo1uj2lo8k]

I look at it as a doomsday cult

[@mrredd8439]

Lol

[@ingoschneuing1073]

METATRON of the spiritual world appears to those that have been and still today are deep rooted into Kabbala/ZOHAR/TANJA, which is the spiritual part of talmudic Judaism. Such Rabbis have been for over 3000 years and still are face to face with METATRON, who in turn is Lucifer, which Rabbis today on KZbin claim to be the true and only God, while JHWH/Jehovah/HaShem is the God of destruction... according to their teachings. 😢 METATRON throughout three millenia promised his followers a Messias and since the deletion of Jerusalem, beginning with Bar Kokhba's death in 135 AD, we had at least 50 Messias/mhdh's... the last one Menachem Mendel Schneerson who died in 1994.... unless Ariel Sharon will officially be claimed, as many in Israel do. Without the occult in Kabbala, Talmud Judaism is nothing but paper. Chabat Lubawitsch is the worldwide leading occult organisation under the leadership of the ruler of this world, the prince of this world, the fallen first created Angel Lucifer the Satan, once the lightbearer whose arrogance made him fall into spiritual darkness....

[@mysotiras21]

Sources for this, please.

[@fremiloant1186]

Duh brother Isnt christianity and judaism the same?

[@Blissblizzard]

Judaism came after the Israelites and after Christianity. It is post Temple.

[@fremiloant1186]

@@Blissblizzard yes but there is a messiah figure they await just with the christian son of man and the islamic mahdi

[@marktwain8121]

Its not the same ,the Messia awaited by the jews it already came ,but they rejected it ,the Messia the jews are waiting is the Anti-Christ . Judaism is not the same with christianity ,diferent teachings .

[@leedza]

The point is the names of their Caliphs are both Davidic and Messianic in nature. Starting from the first "Muhammad". Also the actions of the first Caliphs i.e. erecting a place of worship on the Temple Mount indicates they understood the prophecy of the 3rd Temple and beginning of the apocalypse. When the apocalypse didn't happen, they switched to creating God's Kingdom on earth which is the caliphate. The belief in the coming Messiah is common across all three religions.

[@fremiloant1186]

@@leedza i got what youre gesturing at but the prophet never claimed to be a messiah just another prophet and all the abrahamic titles he fits are because indeed they are pointing to him much like How im willing to believe that the old testament pointed to jesus

[@n.31]

Go back to the semetic languages they only spoke hebrew, witch is revived now as a mixture of european languages spanish and arabic. Wich is now yiddish that is spoken in israel. It was invented in the late 19th century...besides the original hebrew which is a dead and lost language they spoke arabic even pre islamic and you find it strange ? Do not forget arameic the language of Isau Yes because the letter j was added later on with the invention of other languages

[@mysotiras21]

Wow, it is obvious that you have NEVER studied linguistics! Better stick to subjects you know. First time I ever heard someone claim that Yiddish (an offshoot of German) is the same as modern Hebrew, a Semitic language. Or that Yiddish is the language of modern Israel. Yiddish is DYING in modern Israel. Only old people of European background still speak it. Other Israelis RIDICULE Yiddish speakers.

[@physiocrat7143]

This makes no sense in terms of what is known of the early history of Islam, in particularly the theory the the original "Mecca " was Petra, and the rites of worship of the Black Stone, taken from the worship practices of the pagan tribes who venerated the mòon god, a diabolic entity.

[@brawndothethirstmutilator9848]

If you suppose that it’s a religion that intended to politically unite the Arabs, and as such drew pieces from the popular forms of worship and amalgamated them, then it does make some sense. Jewish sects, heretical Christian sects, Sabeans, Arabian paganism.

[@lloydmeadows3471]

Mel debunked the Petra hypothesis a long time ago.

[@physiocrat7143]

@@lloydmeadows3471 Except that the earliest Mosques are oriented towards Petra and there is no archaeological evidence of early settlement at Mecca. It seems not at all improbable, if embarrassing.

[@lloydmeadows3471]

@@physiocrat7143 except they aren't oriented towards Petra - watch Mel's videos on this and the ones on Jerusalem.

[@Blissblizzard]

Every major and minor cult in the middle east follows the "fraternity" model, without exception, druze yazdis mandeans alawites assassins (ismailis) bahai... There is the "human shield" majority who follow folk beliefs but are judged under pettifogging religious law, that has been crudely mashed in. The invading armies would have had instant tribal justice with zero incarceration (in contrast shia urban religious law goes into excruciating detail much more that even sunni) Then there is a hermetically sealed off elite, who practice secret rites and beliefs and are often from closed bloodlines. (The thugees of india were externally goddess durga worshipping nominal hindus, for instance and secret annual ritual bandits) islam is tribal law, and lore, cut and shunted with hair splitting phariseeism. sufi chiefs and sabbateans are of the same accord across time and space, even many of the laity in these inverted cults have picked up opposite core beliefs, as in reincarnation (druze) for instance in spite of murderous secrecy. islam is a secret binary, and the majority of umma and elephant in the dark academics have no inkling.

[@okko7988]

LAVATORY LAVATORY LAVATORY 😂😂😂😂

[@_BillyMandalay]

piss then, be upon you.

[@doyouknoworjustbelieve6694]

All religions are man made. 3/4 of the stories Quran are edited copies from Biblical myths and legends, which were made up by writers of the books that formed the Bible, or copied from ancient Babylonian, Greek, Canaanite and Egyptian myths. The similarities do not support the common divine origin, because these stories contradict science and proven history through archeology and comparative parallel human history. Biblical and Quranic morality is also focused on supremacy, exclusion, land annexation in the name of the divine, enslavement of women as sex slave, acceptance of slavery and belief in superstition, non existent beings, magic and the power of prayers.. Also a childish belief in eternal heaven and hell with various degrees of bodily pleasures or sadistic torture for ever and ever and ever…

[@Smj1303]

The bible is made up of eye witness accounts and does not encourage that you have women as sex slaves do not think the bible and the Quran are the same that is an insult and just a total lie. The bible does not contradict science and many of the events in the bible such as the great flood line up with what scientists believe today. Don’t talk about morality when you have no moral standards as an atheist.

[@Bab-di3hr]

​@@Smj1303you need a little more to read your book deeper.

[@mysotiras21]

YAWN. Try addressing the actual TOPIC of this video, troll.

[@theunseenunknownthatcanbeheard]

Misguided.

[@0MVR_0]

'messia' just means 'anointed' or 'one that is named' 'cult' is a short form of 'culture', You may as well be describing christianity.

[@mysotiras21]

YAWN. Don't play these stupid, childish word games here, peanut. THE Messiah is a specific, DIVINE figure in the Bible, not just any anointed person. "Cult" and "culture have different etymologies. "Culture comes from the Latin word ""cultura", meaning "cultivation". "Cult" comes from the Latin "cultus", denoting "worshipped/inhabited".

[@almazchati4178]

Islam is not a messianic religion. Mohammad is the last, there is no more after that. Quran is the guide. You keep mxing up various concepts from different religions. Various people in Islamic history claimed to be "Mehdi", the guide or leader. That does not mean annointed one as Jews and Christians believe. You are just spewing garbage.

[@Ibn-bin-ilah999]

U believe in Garbage 😢😂😂😢

[@sukhvindersingh2597]

U don’t know which is garbage & truth.. and the only truth is ..the Koran is meant to be used as toilet paper.

[@brawndothethirstmutilator9848]

@almazchati4178, What does the Koran guide you to? Violence on earth and carnal debauchery in the afterlife. That’s what.

[@brawndothethirstmutilator9848]

@almazchati4178, Guides you to what? Violence in this life and then carnal debauchery in the next. That’s what.

[@almazchati4178]

@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 I explained to you why Islam is not a messianic religion. These are biblical concepts. For carnal debauchery consult the Bible. For violence and genocide consult the same.

[@shukriyusof2104]

Correction: *-Islam-* Sunnism/Shiitism/Christianity/Judaism/Buddhism is a messianic cult. _peace to the world_

[@Ibn-bin-ilah999]

Wolf in sheep

[@NetarAlt]

Aha! what in the 𝒹ℯ𝓁𝓊𝓈𝒾𝓸𝓷 you believe?

[@shukriyusof2104]

@@NetarAlt To you it is a _'delusion"_ because you have been *deluded* into believing it as such. But, do you self a favor... go read it and come back to me and tell me which part is it a delusion into which you have been deluded! _peace_

[@mysotiras21]

YAWN. Learn the meaning of the word "cult".

[@shukriyusof2104]

@@mysotiras21 Am guessing you must know it because you are in it! _peace to the world_

[@libertarian2718]

Is this video out of jealousy for Islam being the fastest growing religion in the world, especially among Christians and atheists?

[@johngurvan8279]

Many millions of muslims leave islam for atheism. Fact. Even imams are converting to Christianity.

[@AncientHebrewNeverDied]

🤦🤦🤦🤦

[@johngurvan8279]

Strange as many millions of muslims turn atheist. You need to get your facts straight.Info on youtube ort internet

[@libertarian2718]

@@johngurvan8279 Please stop embarrassing yourself.

[@johngurvan8279]

@@libertarian2718 just because you dont like the truth, why am I embarrassing myself. 25 million muslims leave every year, video on youtube. The truth

[@MrSupplementScene]

From my recollection, according to the Standard Islamic Narrative, Muhammed was first known as Al Amin, the trustworthy. Although this is pronounced differently to 'Ameen'. Muslims however use the word Ameen, to end prayers, in a similar way to Christians use 'Ah Men'. I always found it quite strange that Muslims would call their sons Muhammed and Spanish people would call their sons Jesus. It seems counter intuitive

[@mysotiras21]

Counter intuitive that "Jesus" is a given name in Spanish, since this is the earthly name of God Incarnate. To my knowledge, Spanish is the only language that does this. Not counterintuitive that "Muhammad" is so popular a name in Islam, since that is the name of Islam's mythical human founder.

[@aaronmason9332]

Just like any group then

[@user-vb7gb9ci6g]

scholars in Islam can no longer defend its falsehood...😂😂😂😂😂 I m a muslim from Malaysia and i admit that 2/3 of the Quran copied from the Bible Torah Talmud Zoroasterian and Pagans practices 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@sukhvindersingh2597]

Can you please tell all your Malay brothers and sisters how fake and phony Islam is? If you tell them in your own Malay language they’ll understand better and will start to investigate how the Muslim dominated Malay government is controlling them and keeping them from knowing the true face of Islam.

[@libertarian2718]

Liar. Your comment demonstrates the shallowness of your knowledge. Please live in your utter ignorance, and prepare to meet Allah in that state of deception.

[@user-vb7gb9ci6g]

@@libertarian2718 Read surah Al Haqqa verse 44 45 and 46 confirmed Muhammad been poisoned few years later Muhammad died a prophet of Allah being poisoned ????.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 If Muhammad really exist for sure there are many peoples saw him praying during his 23 yrs of prophethood but till today muslim throughout the world prays to their whim and fancies 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Israq Mikhraj never happened coz not even ONE surah or verse in Quran or Sahih Hadis explicitly explained how to perform the 5 daily ritual prayers 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 5 daily ritual prayers plagiarized from Zoroasterian 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Hajj was a Pagan practice 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Al Fiil never happened 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Abrahah is disbeliever attacking Kabaa house of idol at that time...the so called event happened in 568AD. Muhammad came into this world 571🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ur Allah is a confusing author 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mysotiras21]

Bravo for your honesty. Time to leave Islam, the religion of plagiarism and paganism.

[@joem1152]

Yes I can’t believe how much Zoroastrian influence is in the Quran- not sure why no one notices it more….