Islam & Mecca are Historical FABRICATIONS!

One of the first difficulties Muslims have to contend with concerning Mecca are the sources for everything they know about their city Mecca. It all comes from the 'Standard Islamic Narratives' (also known as the Islamic Traditions).
Yet, these traditions are not from the time of Muhammad at all, nor even from the century Muhammad lived. So, they are not eye-witness accounts.
Take for instance the Sira (the biography of Muhammad's life). It was first written in 833 AD by Ibn Hisham, which lived almost 200 years after the fact. It is there that we first hear about the city of Mecca.
Another genre, the Hadith (the sayings of Muhammad) were first written by al-Bukhari in the decades prior to 870 AD, which is 270 years after the fact. It is from the Hadith that we find out about the history of Mecca reaching all the way back to Adam and Eve.
Two other genres, the Tafsir and Tarikh (the commentaries and histories of the Qur'an and Islam) were first written in the decades before 923 AD by al-Tabari, which is almost 300 years after the fact.
What this tells us is that Muslims are dependent for everything they know about Mecca from documents written 200-300 years after the fact, since nothing at all exists of this city from the century Muhammad lived (the 7th century).
What's more, the Islamic Traditions which give us everything we know concerning the early history of Islam, maintain that the origins of Islam happened in Mecca and Medina (the central part of Arabic known as the Hijaz). Yet, all of the writers of the Traditions worked in Baghdad, which is 1,120 mi. too far north.
Ibn Hisham (the author of the Sira) was from Basra, which is 1,200 miles from Mecca, but he grew up in Cairo, which is 990 miles from Mecca.
Al Bukhari (the first author of the Hadith) is from Bukhara, which is 2,600 miles from Mecca.
Al Tabari (the first to compile the Tafsir and the Tarikh) is from Tabaristan, which is 1,700 miles north of Mecca.
Can you see a pattern? All of these northern areas where the compilers of the Traditions lived are where the Abbasids originated from. Furthermore, all of the writers of the Traditions worked in the 9th and 10th centuries.
CONCLUSION: They all wrote their material hundreds of miles too far away, and hundreds of years too late, proving that they neither knew Muhammad, nor ever heard him speak, and were dependent on hundreds of years of 'oral traditions' for everything they compiled!
Due to the fact that almost everything Muslims are dependent on for their place (Mecca) are too far and too late, 21st century scholars now suggest that:
“Islam [and Mecca], as we know it, did not exist in the 7th century, but evolved over a period of 200-300 years” (Humphreys 1991:71,83-89)
“The Qur’an probably was not revealed to one man in 22 years, but likely evolved over a period of 50-100 years” (Rippin 1985:155;1990:3,25,60; Lester 99:44-45; Wansbrough 1977:160-163)
Their Conclusions: The history of Islam [and the city Mecca], at least from the time of the caliph Abd al-Malik (685-705 AD) and before, is a later fabrication (Cook 1983:65, Robinson 1996:47)
Because of these problems, the scholar's concerns are manifold. If, they contend, so much of Islam's history was created so late, and so far away, then, they ask:
-Why did it take so long to write about Mecca?
-Were the Arabs not literate, and did they not live in that area? Remember, according to Islamic history, they controlled Basra, Baghdad, Damascus, Jerusalem, Cairo by 642 AD, and then from Spain to India by 685 AD, and within that large swath of land there were certainly many sophisticated cities where people could read and write.
-So, where did the 9th c. biographers get their material from?
-Furthermore, can it be trusted if it is so late (200-300 years later), and so far away?
-Shouldn’t we, therefore, go to the period these events surrounding Mecca took place? In other words, shouldn’t we go to the 7th century, and see what we find?
Of course we should...so what then are the scholars finding? That is what these talks are all about…but note: we are only interested in the 7th - 8th centuries, not the 9th - 10th c. for this investigation on Mecca.
© Pfander Centre for Apologetics - US, 2022
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[@cwfirebird]

This is fascinating. God bless well supported history and analysis.

[@God1stProductions]

This information is mind boggling. Everything the muslims have been claiming about Christians history and Scriptures is true about them and their false prophet. Only by this 1 fact islam cant impossible be true. God bless Al Fadi and his work. I like what you do in your production and quality of your videos. May your work increase. God bless

[@lavenderflowers1075]

Very foolish person. If Jesus is a false prophet why does the Quran recognize him.

[@davemuckeye]

@@lavenderflowers1075 everything about Mohammad is in question… Satan did well with this cast of islamic pretenders… they were made envious of the Christian faith and tried to duplicate it to suit their own purposes… most blessed is Yahweh and Yeshua… 🙏🏼

[@lorenzochimelis7359]

@@lavenderflowers1075 Jesus is not false but the entire theology created around him after his departure by that pig paul is a theology that left no other choice under the Christian confine to condemn Jesus ax the greatest singular failure in human history remember you racist animal you burdened him with the title of DIVINITY a standard not only that he never met but failed at horrifically so much so that even his status as a prophet Is questionable the fool is directly responsible for antisemitism that represents the violation of the mission and mandate of messiah I repeat he is the greatest F-up inhuman history

[@davemuckeye]

@@lorenzochimelis7359 your most disrespectful manner of response plainly shows that Satan _still_ conducts his putrid deceptive practices to this very day… Yeshua urged that those with ears should hear and that those with eyes should see… I urge you to do likewise… don’t be representative of the many parables that taught us the unpreparedness of those with hardened hearts… we’ve *_all_* been warned… 🙏🏼

[@lorenzochimelis7359]

@@davemuckeye reality was a friend to Jesus lies and deception he hated Christian dogma is the greatest lie I the history of human existence had it not been that it was adopted by the European gentile the most greedy power hungry civilization in human history it would have been thrown in the garbage can of MYTH long ago it only remained because it served a purpose as another tool of colonialism . My statement stands as unassailable truth imagine Jesus as the so called jewish messiah is directly responsible for the creation and spiritual justification of ANTISEMITISM and the countries that bear him as there spiritual icon and guide are the most immoral decadent crime filled countries on earth who by there zeal to defy god not only legalized gay marriage but invented ATHEISM and NIHILISM and as a matter of there style of governance adopted the legislated creed of devaluing and marginalizing god relegating Him only for ceremonial and appearance opportunities only , indeed all I have said is the epicenter of truth what can be be more demonic than a religion that does that while reducing the majesty of god to the human form and then KILLING HIM the devil fractured his jaw laughing ... do not ever address me again in such a state of delusion when reality is no longer your enemy I will be willing to talk to you as in your present state communication is impossible

[@kentlong4276]

29 minutes of pure gold...The time went by so quick I still was waiting for more gold to drop in the video...

[@abulbasharkhan2124]

Gold or shit?

[@kentlong4276]

@@abulbasharkhan2124 If I said gold I meant GOLD!!!! Whatever you're thinking is 💩💩💩💩💩!!!!!!

[@user55lovesfr95]

@@abulbasharkhan2124 Not gold? Because you are only a mediocre.

[@shankhan-yg1tt]

@@abulbasharkhan2124 tell me you didn't learn anything about Islam without telling me you learned anything

[@arieltellis458]

Very interesting but if it were spoken in the pace and calm of Pastor Al Fadi listeners would absorb a greater amount of content. I take notes because I am seriously interested to know and understand this very interesting topic and I am deeply appreciative of your great efforts to reveal what is really underneath.

[@suekeith]

I'm watching the video two days after you and I find this information to be absolutely incredible and vital for people of all faiths to understand this about Islam. I'm needing the slides to be shown on the screen longer, while Jay is speaking about the notes recorded on them because visuals help me absorb and retain the verbal information. Perhaps their recent presentations accommodate new students of this topic. Regardless, I'm incredibly grateful for their thorough research and putting in the effort to put it out there in video form. Blessings to you.

[@DrMarceloSantos]

A very clear overview of dates and events. Thanks for putting this together!

[@tdc10]

Gold. Thank you Dr. Jay and Al-Fadi. May our triune God bless you. Have a lovely day. Kind regards

[@RandomMoves923]

If Adam and all the prophets lived in Mecca, how come so many Muslim writers came form the east? None from Mecca?

[@abdillahijalalkhan2128]

What told you that TALL TALE? Mr. JAY WALKER?

[@mhloniphenimsimanga4611]

Adam( peace be upon him)was living in India. Get your facts right.

[@eastzooadmin6416]

Why do you like to lie, where was it written in Quran that all the prophets lived there.

[@user-mc9ds8kn6s]

It's because Mecca and Medina didn't exist. No water, no food, no cities.

[@kafirlindaclark6148]

It's so GOOD to go over this again! Thanks Dr. Jay and Al Fadi❤️

[@goatmorcan1070]

Dear Christians who pretend to love Jesus, open your hearts and question all what the church is telling you. do not be a follower(sheep), think and question your belief, are we doing what Jesus used to do? Here is some facts showing why Muslims are the only Jesus followers/ lovers : 1- Muslim love Jesus more than Christians do and even they cannot mention his name without saying (God peace be upon him). Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference; 25 times by the name Isa, third-person 48 times, first-person 35 times, and the rest as titles and attributes. 2-Praying face on the ground: Jesus used to pray by putting his face on the ground.

[@kafirlindaclark6148]

@@goatmorcan1070 sorry goat, you are more full of crap than a Thanksgiving turkey. All that copy/paste and you don't even know what Yeshua said about himself. He said, "I am the way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to God except through me". He also said, "I am the Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End". Jesus said, "You must be born again to enter the Kingdom of Heaven". Have you been born again Goat? Did you know the goat is the symbol for Satan in the Bible? Jesus Yeshua commanded us to be his sheep and on Judgement day, he will separate the sheep(his followers) from the goats(Satan's followers) yet you boldly proclaim you are a follower of Satan hahahahah!

[@hajrizamidi429]

@@kafirlindaclark6148 hahaha what a load of crap are you telling us.you are here the lost one.Even your name tells us "Kafir " is the word used in islam for Unbelievers.so keep you nonsense for yourself.never ones said jesus that he is god you bad fortune tellers and when put his head on the ground praying his true God so according to you he was praying to himself.keep luying to yourself.may god guide you like he guided us through our prophets which also includes Jesus peace be upon him and Muhammad peace be upon him.Esselamu Alejkum.

[@bryanlovesjesus2204]

@@hajrizamidi429Mohammed is in hell right now Lol

[@WerewolfAsh]

@@kafirlindaclark6148 Are you Satan's mistress?

[@joycarter757]

Double thumbs up. I plan to listen many more times, with pen in hand to make notes!

[@tradenotes3658]

I can never get enough of this information, I only wish my Muslims friends would open their eyes and ears to this all.

[@OksintasObones]

Did ye open your eyes about Christianity too?

[@kpanand1155]

Thank you so much Dr. Jay and brother Al Fadi. Love your content. So much to learn. Now I feel equipped to confront my Muslim brothers and sisters.❤️❤️ Awaiting the next video.

[@divyachacko3449]

@KP Anand don't u think ur religion is man made.

[@zp1232]

This guy has been debunked so many times its not even funny anymore. Come see our Brother Mansur at speakers Corner and see how well all this holds up

[@cyranoonghaflin646]

Absolutely lies.

[@sarahq4395]

Lol

[@cyranoonghaflin646]

RUBBISH!!!!

[@SOHRABSWING]

A beautiful summary of all the episodes in one crisp piece. 👌

[@umibrahimibrahim4966]

Not true.

[@maguetteka2292]

This is by far the most constructive study ever made recently on a religion. And as a muslim, I say "Thank you"

[@alboury1005]

Knowledge is key !!! Islam will not survive the 21st century of information.

[@thelimatheou]

As a muslim, you should leave your false religion. What more proof do you need that it was constructed and not from God?

[@bramSDASCL1759]

@@nahian2004 information????

[@ephesus2312]

Hopefully you realized Islam is a man-made religion. When a religion teaches that apostasy is punishable by death then the god you are worshipping and the prophet Muhammad you believe in are both weak. This is from Satan who came to kill and destroy. The only truth you will find is Jesus. Put your trust in Him and the only thing I can do is to pray for you.

[@mysystem8961]

@@ephesus2312 Stay away from Islam, stay away from Christianity. These are two equally false man-made cults. You correctly state Islam is false as it teaches that apostasy is punishable by death- valid, I fully agree. But then as a Christian you believe slavery is good, or you reject the 10 commandments and Christianity. Secondly, you agree drowning every animal and baby on earth is valid action of a true God. The latter is as obscene as killing apostates, if not worse (apostates are killed by criminal humans, not god). Now let me guess, you will not address the points I made, instead you will hurl abuse at me just like a muslim Dawah boy at speakers corner - reason two identical cults. Stay away from Islam, stay away from Christianity.

[@rabukkayeshua2479]

I love❤ how Jay study the papers of Islam. Thank you Jay @PfanderFilm & Al Fadhi you enrich my knowledge, Jesus Christ bless you all the time🙏🎖👏🥰

[@sanjaymalwe3529]

Wonderful content brothers. God bless you🙏

[@quintontad5245]

Excellent analysis Many thanks Keep up the great work

[@jackryan7767]

Best presentation. Good summary, easy to understand and share. Good job and 🙏🏼

[@anthonydsouza7174]

THANKS GENTLEMEN FOR STRIPPING ALL THE LAYERS IN ISLAM.GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF ISLAM BY CHRISTIANS REINFORCES OUR BELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST AND HIS GOSPEL.MORE NEED TO BE LOVED AND THE COVERINGS FROM THEIR EYES REMOVED.SAUDI PRINCE MBL IS NOW BEGINNING TO REALIZE THAT HE IS SITTING ON A FABRICATED RELIGION.

[@daveanaru3038]

👍Spot on. Stripping away the layers of Islam, and its fake prophet....is what I have been doing ever since the aftermath of 9/11, when the claim was made by ex US President Bush that "Islam means peace" I'm so thankful to be non Muslim. Islam is not and will never be a religion of peace.

[@lavenderflowers1075]

@@daveanaru3038 it's a religion of pieces or rest in pieces 😂

[@kongziarusu8518]

Great to see the timeline. Good presentation.

[@GizmoFromPizmo]

I love these guys. Jay's over there running around with his hair on fire and Al Fadi sits on the opposite side all calm, cool, and collected. These guys are perfect together! 🤣

[@karmacounselor]

well said!

[@indojudo1538]

These guys Hippocrates… poor Christians desperate for any garbage to believe in… the bible has more than 50000 mistakes yet they twist and turn to fabricate nonsense garbage about the best religion on earth Islam…

[@nemesis1291]

@@indojudo1538 the shaytan of Islam(Allah) put a pdo.phile on earth as the best example for all mankind, and you believe that a god would do such a thing... Islam was spread by the sword and through colonisation, in the space of a single decade Muhammad fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction. And you believe that a god would do such a thing... You are allowed to be a liar if your life is in danger, in other words you show weakness in faith. You are allowed to be a liar to bring people together, but a lie will always be revealed, sooner or later. You are allowed to be a liar to your wife, in other words the shaytan of Islam doesn't see marriage as something holy or have love in it. Congratulations!

[@goatmorcan1070]

Dear Christians who pretend to love Jesus, open your hearts and question all what the church is telling you. do not be a follower(sheep), think and question your belief, are we doing what Jesus used to do? Here is some facts showing why Muslims are the only Jesus followers/ lovers : 1- Muslim love Jesus more than Christians do and even they cannot mention his name without saying (God peace be upon him). Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference; 25 times by the name Isa, third-person 48 times, first-person 35 times, and the rest as titles and attributes. 2-Praying face on the ground: Jesus used to pray by putting his face on the ground.

[@nemesis1291]

@@goatmorcan1070 you don't know Jesus, you know an imposter you call Isa. If you knew Jesus you'd know that we are the church, and the Gospel is Jesus, don't fall in the trap of the shaytan of Islam (Allah), he will lead you to the hellfire.

[@whoisyeshua2633]

Thank you for this study. extremely useful. I have share this on my platform

[@aaabrams1889]

HELLO!!! It's all lies...ha ha ha...are you going to share this on your platform...LIES AND DECEPTION..??? DO YOUR RESEARCH and you will find the truth...remember, thou should not give false testimony...

[@whoisyeshua2633]

@@aaabrams1889 Jesus is the Truth, find Him. He will set you free from lies and deception.

[@Tata-mt7ue]

Will Jesus approve of the way your women dress today, will Jesus approve of the way your men dress today, will Jesus approve of how segregated your churches are today?

[@whoisyeshua2633]

@@Tata-mt7ue Jesus is the judge. He will judge everything and everyone according to His Word (The Holy Bible).

[@Tata-mt7ue]

@@whoisyeshua2633if Jesus is God, so who was Abraham, Noa, Jacob, Joseph,lot,job many others, Who were they?

[@HvaljenIsus]

Every Muslim needs to see this! I hope that this material opens their eyes and leads many Muslims to Christ! Thank you my dear brothers for your work, God bless you!!

[@nwachinemere7759]

They don't need to come to Christ. All they need to do is to abandon Islam.

[@HvaljenIsus]

@@nwachinemere7759 Abandoning Islam alone does not save anyone. We need Christ. The true gospel is the good news that God saves sinners. Man is by nature sinful and separated from God with no hope of remedying that situation. But God, by His power, provided the means of man’s redemption in the death, burial and resurrection of the Savior, Jesus Christ. The word “gospel” literally means “good news.” But to truly comprehend how good this news is, we must first understand the bad news. As a result of the fall of man in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:6), every part of man-his mind, will, emotions and flesh-have been corrupted by sin. Because of man’s sinful nature, he does not and cannot seek God. He has no desire to come to God and, in fact, his mind is hostile toward God (Romans 8:7). God has declared that man’s sin dooms him to an eternity in hell, separated from God. It is in hell that man pays the penalty of sin against a holy and righteous God. This would be bad news indeed if there were no remedy. But in the gospel, God, in His mercy, has provided that remedy, a substitute for us-Jesus Christ-who came to pay the penalty for our sin by His sacrifice on the cross. This is the essence of the gospel which Paul preached to the Corinthians. In 1 Corinthians 15:2-4, he explains the three elements of the gospel-the death, burial and resurrection of Christ on our behalf. Our old nature died with Christ on the cross and was buried with Him. Then we were resurrected with Him to a new life (Romans 6:4-8). Paul tells us to “hold firmly” to this true gospel, the only one which saves. Believing in any other gospel is to believe in vain. In Romans 1:16-17, Paul also declares that the true gospel is the “power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes” by which he means that salvation is not achieved by man’s efforts, but by the grace of God through the gift of faith (Ephesians 2:8-9). Because of the gospel, through the power of God, those who believe in Christ (Romans 10:9) are not just saved from hell. We are, in fact, given a completely new nature (2 Corinthians 5:17) with a changed heart and a new desire, will, and attitude that are manifested in good works. This is the fruit the Holy Spirit produces in us by His power. Works are never the means of salvation, but they are the proof of it (Ephesians 2:10). Those who are saved by the power of God will always show the evidence of salvation by a changed life.

[@earthlycreature8772]

@@HvaljenIsus Jesus of History vs Christ of Faith: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYeyfnmghst9btk From Jesus to Christ: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gH-bd4Bng6iCic0

[@mysystem8961]

@@HvaljenIsus Stay away from Islam, stay away from Christianity. These are two equally false man-made cults. You correctly state Islam is false as it teaches that apostasy is punishable by death- valid, I fully agree. But then as a Christian you believe slavery is good, or you reject the 10 commandments and Christianity. Secondly, you agree drowning every animal and baby on earth is valid action of a true God. The latter is as obscene as killing apostates, if not worse (apostates are killed by criminal humans, not god). Now let me guess, you will not address the points I made, instead you will hurl abuse at me just like a muslim Dawah boy at speakers corner - reason two identical cults. Stay away from Islam, stay away from Christianity.

[@mysystem8961]

@@earthlycreature8772 Stay away from Islam, stay away from Christianity. These are two equally false man-made cults. You correctly state Islam is false as it teaches that apostasy is punishable by death- valid, I fully agree. But then as a Christian you believe slavery is good, or you reject the 10 commandments and Christianity. Secondly, you agree drowning every animal and baby on earth is valid action of a true God. The latter is as obscene as killing apostates, if not worse (apostates are killed by criminal humans, not god). Now let me guess, you will not address the points I made, instead you will hurl abuse at me just like a muslim Dawah boy at speakers corner - reason two identical cults. Stay away from Islam, stay away from Christianity.

[@carlose5751]

Nice maps. All well worked. My respect to Dr. Jay.

[@watchman4todayreloaded192]

Great recap and charts

[@bijur4127]

Great work for the future generations!!! An eye 👀 opener for the future generations!!!

[@goatmorcan1070]

Dear Christians who pretend to love Jesus, open your hearts and question all what the church is telling you. do not be a follower(sheep), think and question your belief, are we doing what Jesus used to do? Here is some facts showing why Muslims are the only Jesus followers/ lovers : 1- Muslim love Jesus more than Christians do and even they cannot mention his name without saying (God peace be upon him). Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference; 25 times by the name Isa, third-person 48 times, first-person 35 times, and the rest as titles and attributes. 2-Praying face on the ground: Jesus used to pray by putting his face on the ground.

[@BengaliPatriot7]

Amazing amazing presentation. I'm gonna share this to my muslim family and I pray they will be open to hear this.

[@thewatchtower8330]

And I will pray for your safety.

[@alonzoharris6730]

You think they will accept your contradicting religion because of a propaganda video of a deceptive Christian missionary. Why should they believe in your religion. There is no historical evidence for Moses and the exodus. Why do you believe this? You claim to follow the historical critical method. Why are you such hypocrits?

[@thewatchtower8330]

@@alonzoharris6730 I'm no Christian, so I don't know what you're talking about.

[@communionvision5914]

@@alonzoharris6730 Alone zone is here lol

[@BengaliPatriot7]

@@alonzoharris6730 ohh look whose here the one that never comes on the live stream. Their is evidence and u honestly think the koran has the answer. Allah aka mohammed is bipolar cant make up his mind if ur gonna be forgiven or not. Mohammed said every one is gonna go to hell regardless. Go ahead see if allah will bring happiness in the muslim country that mohammed stolen. NEVER WILL THEY BE HAPPY AS JUDGMENT IS HERE ON THE MUSLIMS UNTIL U REPENT.

[@melvynmachin7534]

Wonderfully informative

[@juerbert1]

Excellent lecture ! ✅👍

[@ex-muslimtestimonies001]

The holes are perfectly preserved 🙌

[@simonewilliams7224]

Just mind blowing! God bless guys!

[@csmoviles]

Thank you for your ministry!🙏💖🙏💖🙏

[@ghandiraj1509]

God blessing for both of you..for the enlightenment ...👍👌👍👍

[@jamalkhan3708]

Very informative. Thank you for sharing 🙏

[@christopherj.l.watson3560]

Two incredible men, God bless you

[@christopherj.l.watson3560]

Awesome work guys

[@julieramosaea8315]

Thank you, it's very interesting

[@pvdguitars2951]

No one in his sound mind today would try to defend the historical existence of the 5th century legendary King Arthur. Nor would anyone take for true the stories of Robin Hood. But isn’t this what Muslims are trying to do with Muhamed and Islam? Defending myths for which there is no historical evidence at all? The only thing we know for sure is that Muhamad is a title ( the blessed one), a title that was given to our Lord Jesus Christ. The other thing that we know is that in the 6th, 7th century there were monotheistic christian spin-offs ( judeo Nazarenes) who rejected the divinity of Jesus. It doesn’t take much creativity to figure out the rest of the story! ✝️

[@alonzoharris6730]

The consensus of scholarship all accept Mecca to be historical. I guess they are muslims too.🤣 Why are you a Christian? There is no historical evidence for Moses and the exodus. Why are Christians such hypocrits?

[@CaptainChristianZ1818]

@@alonzoharris6730 ah, here you are. There is no historical evidence whatsoever that Mecca existed in the 6th or 7th century. Jesus, however, have written evidence from the Romans and Jews and early Christians. Even Jesus's executioner, Roman Pontius Pilate, who nailed him to the cross, were recorded in history. I really feel sorry for you, going to every KZbin channel trying your best to lie and bullshit with nonsense.

[@Billy-Mandalay]

@@alonzoharris6730 Are you saying your prophet was a liar when he acknowledged the existence of Musa, genius ?

[@alonzoharris6730]

@@CaptainChristianZ1818 There is zero contemporary evidence for both Jesus and Paul. You must be a joker to claim that Josephus and Tacitus more than 50 years later are historical evidence. Both have been corrupted by your church by the way.

[@alonzoharris6730]

@@Billy-Mandalay You don't accept the Quran. Stop being a hypocrit and run to the quran. What is your historical evidence for Moses, Paul the Pagan and Jesus?

[@gentz8310]

Abbasids invented Islam, fictional character Muhammad and Mecca in 8th century. If one man like Tolkien was able to invent the Hobbit world, then several scholars/writers under Abbasid control could invent what ever you want in Baghdad " One thousand and one nights"

[@umibrahimibrahim4966]

Get to know Islam from its sources if you're interested in truth.

[@goatmorcan1070]

@Mierd Turka Mierd Dear Christians who pretend to love Jesus, open your hearts and question all what the church is telling you. do not be a follower(sheep), think and question your belief, are we doing what Jesus used to do? Here is some facts showing why Muslims are the only Jesus followers/ lovers : 1- Muslim love Jesus more than Christians do and even they cannot mention his name without saying (God peace be upon him). Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference; 25 times by the name Isa, third-person 48 times, first-person 35 times, and the rest as titles and attributes. 2-Praying face on the ground: Jesus used to pray by putting his face on the ground.

[@goatmorcan1070]

​@Mierd Turka MierdMRS you are not free even if you say it millions time, you are accountable to someone who create you and send you prophets to show you how to worship him. if you are really free, try to avoid death MRS.

[@twelvehalo2929]

Good explanation and detail...

[@junvillegas6043]

🧒👍 Thanks for that Teaching , clear very well explain.

[@aaabrams1889]

False teaching makes stupid learners.

[@Joelbop]

Nice videos :) Looking forward to more :D

[@CaptainChristianZ1818]

Amazing work. Really appreciated.

[@goatmorcan1070]

Dear Christians who pretend to love Jesus, open your hearts and question all what the church is telling you. do not be a follower(sheep), think and question your belief, are we doing what Jesus used to do? Here is some facts showing why Muslims are the only Jesus followers/ lovers : 1- Muslim love Jesus more than Christians do and even they cannot mention his name without saying (God peace be upon him). Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference; 25 times by the name Isa, third-person 48 times, first-person 35 times, and the rest as titles and attributes. 2-Praying face on the ground: Jesus used to pray by putting his face on the ground.

[@CaptainChristianZ1818]

@@goatmorcan1070 good try but you have a few issues there. 1st, Isa is not Bible's Jesus. Period 2nd Quran is false. contradictions and debunked itself. 3rd. mohammed is a false prophet proven by your own quran. islam is a man made cult ideology from the 7th century.

[@CaptainChristianZ1818]

@@goatmorcan1070 Without LIES , islam DIES.

[@goatmorcan1070]

​@@CaptainChristianZ1818it is up to you to decide who is issa son of mary in the quran. Second, read your bible and get a calculator to account for the number of contradictions and versions. Finally, if you are truthful, look at your behavior and life and give me examples showing that you follow Jesus.

[@CaptainChristianZ1818]

@@goatmorcan1070 I don’t need to. Quran can’t even get Mary correctly. Mary, mother of Jesus and Mary sister of Aaron lived thousands of years apart. I know the truth, you don’t. Just look at the life of Jesus who is sinless, and Mohammad full of sin. Yet you Muslims call mo the best example. A murderer, rapist pedophilia and slavery. I rest my case.

[@hulkai3436]

Good information.

[@mugishamr7636]

It's amazing what a wonderful message God bless you dear Brothers. Please more enlightments. Amen

[@mihaj599]

Thank you Dr. Jay and brother Al Fadi. Remember when Islam was NEVER questioned previously because they used to say, YOU MUST read it in the Qureshi dialect..When some have, they have insisted YOU MUST understand as an Arab does. When one has studied it, they insisted YOU HAVE NOT read the Islamic Traditions of the koran etc etc..EVERY excuse but the truth...Islam was mainly invented by Uthman, remember HE burnt all other versions of the koran and sayings and HE sent what HE [what was left] compiled to 5 other cities, yes - no?

[@tommyrotton9468]

the hypothesis of Islam begins not with a group but with Chinese whispers regarding what really happened and tribal camp meetings discussing what was happening over generations afterward. The process transformed from a religious image of a man called Jesus into a man called Muhammad. There is no reason to believe in the SIN at all even though there seems to be people that might fit the narrative by their Arabic names because they were not as powerful as Islamic rulers or in the right geographical location.

[@davidyoung5830]

Not one original copy in existence in Muslim Hands today! Confirmed by the two Turkish Islamic Scholars responsible for the Topkapi Manuscript in 2007 in their publication Mushaf Al Sharif.

[@mo_51_married_aisha_6]

Islam was on the fast track, but then the internet showed up and ruined everything for them. Pandora's box is open and there's no way Muslims can close it. Islam is the world's fastest shrinking cult.

[@alonzoharris6730]

@@davidyoung5830 Why are you a Christian? You have almost nothing in first 2 centuries.

[@MrDrbld]

@@mo_51_married_aisha_6 Sounds like a dog whistle to me. Watch out....

[@thorandlundeve]

the most southern levant area where we have some places' names in abrahamical and archeological accounts like edom, aqaba, timna, nabataea, petra, hegra, raqim, madyan, thamud, elath, tabuk, etc, was known as arava means desert, which is also the etymology of the name arab. if you read isaiah 21:13, the name arab is actually referred to the people of the desert who lives in transjordan area ruled by kingdom of kedar means alliance, which succeded later by the kingdom of nabataean means splitted

[@nedsaleh6099]

Very educational..👍👍👍🙏🙏

[@user-gi5wt1vq1g]

Good work

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Another excellent session. Thank you Dr. Jay and (soon to be Dr.) Al Fadi. May our Lord continue to bless and protect both of you. I pray for you health Al Fadi. Please tell you Son I said Semper Fi!

[@anadion6257]

All that you guys are been saying in the past, to me this more clear, and to Muslims scholars if they'll consider and respond to you guys counter or debunk your presentation. Thank you and God bless

[@bowlineastronomenov5507]

is there a link we can download those slides? looks like a good visual aid for educational purposes.

[@emmanuelhabibmayga7476]

Good of all of you guys

[@SquatBenchDeadlift455]

Is all of the videos and information on this channel being backed up on additional video sharing websites? Rumble, for example. This knowledge is too valuable to trust KZbin with.

[@mariongranbruheim4090]

Lying doesn’t pay. The proof is Islam.

[@goatmorcan1070]

Dear Christians who pretend to love Jesus, open your hearts and question all what the church is telling you. do not be a follower(sheep), think and question your belief, are we doing what Jesus used to do? Here is some facts showing why Muslims are the only Jesus followers/ lovers : 1- Muslim love Jesus more than Christians do and even they cannot mention his name without saying (God peace be upon him). Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference; 25 times by the name Isa, third-person 48 times, first-person 35 times, and the rest as titles and attributes. 2-Praying face on the ground: Jesus used to pray by putting his face on the ground.

[@govindindurkar3100]

Lying pays. Proof is Islam.

[@goatmorcan1070]

@@govindindurkar3100 why, give us example man. or it is just empty words and zero proof. may god guide you to true Jesus path. your life is a lie man nothing compared to Jesus life. ask you self how many time did you have sexual relation outside marriage and you will know who is lying.

[@Verge63]

Jesus was never a sex addict or a war monger, nor was he illerate. By the way would you die for Isa?😊

[@pankaja7974]

Jayji, of all your presentations this was the most clear to me. Thank you Sir👍

[@wsv1975]

great stuff

[@TheWatchmanWebsite]

This video probably has to be among the top 3 videos in the world right now debunking the Standard Islamic Narrative and confirming the reliability of the New Testament! If I was a neutral considering between the two faiths, my choice of which to believe would be pretty obvious. Slam dunk is what they call it?

[@NotLikeWhatYouThink]

Kids first you need to know al quran exist first later new testament..you know its in koine greek.Muhamad cannot read and write never met matthew what ever you dont have to be smart.Since when al quran talk about bible who contain according to john or whatever?huh?Plus are you stupid or what doesnt know children of isreal worship same god as muslim did.El/Elohim or Allah..you people worship creation thats jesus. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3-wh4ycgMaZmKc kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpipcmiLpNOkr7c kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3S4qYd8qZ2jeJI kzbin.info/www/bejne/naWuioydrrOChKs kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5-9eYdmrrine8U

[@daduzadude1547]

@@NotLikeWhatYouThink go read Surah 29:46 then come back. It very clearly states the allah is supposed to have sent the Torah AND Gospel. How on earth could the Quran have come first if the Gospel that Mo had, and confirmed, came later?

[@gonicjon]

There are plenty of videos questioning the validity of the new testament..... You know how honest and careful those romans were

[@TheWatchmanWebsite]

@@gonicjon The old testament/Tanakh Jewish Bible would be sufficient for salvation even without the apostles (from whom I can prove Muhammad copied from). Why? The Tanakh Jewish Bible speaks of the SUFFERING servant and INTERCESSOR who would bare his soul unto DEATH for the sins of many. Jesus INTERCEDES for us: In the Tanakh, Jesus is the ‘arm of the Lord’ was ‘smitten of God’, ‘crushed’, ‘wounded’, ‘led as a lamb to the slaughter’ ‘and the LORD hath made to light on him the iniquity of us all’, ‘he was cut off out of the land of the living, for the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due’ ‘Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin’ and ‘he bared his soul unto DEATH, and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and made INTERCESSION for the transgressors." Tanakh Jewish Bible Isaiah 53:12 "And He [God] saw that there was no MAN, and was ASTONISHED that there was no INTERCESSOR; therefore His own ARM brought SALVATION unto Him; and His righteousness, it sustained Him;" Tanakh Jewish Bible Isaiah 59:16 "Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes INTERCESSION for us. Romans 8:34 NKJV "The LORD hath made 'Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should SUFFER and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. Luke 24:45‭-‬47 Do you see the beautiful harmony of the Jewish scripture and the new testament?Can you see your salvation from right under your nose?

[@TheWatchmanWebsite]

@@NotLikeWhatYouThink Lol! New Testament came later than the Qur'an? Where does it say this in your Qur'an? Why was the Qur'an speaking of Christians judging by their books at the time of Muhammad if the NT came later? Do you see how illogical your "suggestion" is? Of course the NT was in Greek hence the Greek word "INJEEL" used in your Qur'an for the Gospels.

[@ramio1983]

I am a Muslim, was an Agnostic, Unitarian Christian and happily a Muslim, however i do not fear the critic and i actually enjoy the way these guys respectfully critique the religion, this is the dialogue that is fair game and i always like to scrutinize my own beliefs, why should we always feel safe and secure? Likewise i hope all my Christian friends over here do the same with their own religion and watch videos that respectfully critique their beliefs, it's good to see "the other side" and how they think- however i will not spend a second watching those that troll, make trouble and disrespect a faith and its people. Peace.

[@gilbertjones9157]

Did you catch other videos sources that show how this religion (Islam) grew from a coalition of Jewish Christians, Anti-Trinitary Christian (I don't know why they get the label Christian) minor groups and Arabs preached to from Aramaic lectionaries delivered by missionaries from the Church of the East that would form the 'Rusam' of the Quran, in Mesopotamia before taking Jerusalem from the Byzies? You did not have to shift much from being a Unitarian. I compliment you on your Reasoned position regrading 'the other side'. But I guess you too are infected by the Reasoning Malady. It seem that no mask will contain it and no experimental medical gene therapy injectable vaxxx is currently being manufactured by Big Pharma for it.

[@universalflamethrower6342]

The truth has a wat of being the truth. False truths feed your ego real truths hurt you really bad.

[@daughtersofthekingdom6779]

You were a Christian and now an Abdul?? How can one follow muhammad who broke every law that God gave Moses and rejects JESUS THE SAVIOUR THAT GAVE HIS OWN LIFE AS A RANSOME FOR MANY AND committed no sin! Doesn't it bother you that muhammad married a girl of 9?? Lusted after his sons wife and later married her and stopped muslim adoption? Doesn't it bother you what he did to umm kirfa and kinana, Doesn't it bother you that he was caught red handed with Maria the Copt etc??

[@alonzoharris6730]

@@daughtersofthekingdom6779 Do you follow the Sabbath? Do you follow the first commandment? Why did Paul change the first commandment?

[@daughtersofthekingdom6779]

@@alonzoharris6730 , why did muhammad tell you u can marry up to 4wives but he had over 4? Is muhammad God ? Muhammad married his own sons wife..that's disgusting 4 a man considered a pattern of conduct and a " prophet ". A man in his 50's defiling a baby girl who is supposed to be his great grand -daughter and this is a man considered " holy" according to your books. Paul is a million xs better than muhammad

[@mrem7196]

Subhan all Pilgrimage happens each year to macca now we know why... It is obviously so that we never lose the way to Macca ❤❤ proud to be muslim

[@beahumanbeingfirst]

Absolutely bang on observation 👏 👌 👍

[@ksimongeorge5020]

Hello, This is very important material. Please translate this into other European languages and Indian languages like Malayalam Hindi Tamil Kannada Telengu Marathi Punjabi Urdu Bengali Kashmiri etc etc and ARABIC CHINESE PERSIAN Indonesian Korean Japanese etc etc so that you can enlighten more than three and a half billion people. 👍🌹

[@suekeith]

Great work gentlemen, thank you for your ministry to the world, through Jesus Christ! Although I've now watched numerous videos, I'm still a newbie to this fascinating topic and can't write as fast as Jay can talk. I would love the slides to remain on the full screen longer when something is added to the timeline. God bless you both, may Jesus watch over and protect you. May He continue to pour out the spirit of revelation on you and save your loved ones.

[@gulampatel4194]

This is pure gold!!!

[@shushanplace]

May God bless and keep Al-Fadi and Dr. Jay and give them fruitfulness in converting many Muslim souls.

[@aaabrams1889]

What? Show me what Muslims?

[@Tata-mt7ue]

Will Jesus approve of the way your women dress today, will Jesus approve of the way your men dress today, will Jesus approve of how segregated your churches are today?

[@roshlew6994]

Thomas Alexander said, Lakhmids the vassals of Sassanids immigrated from Basra region and settled in Egypt, when the Persians captured Egypt from Byzantines in early 7th century. Hisham was born in Basra and grew up in Egypt. See the connection?

[@gilbertjones9157]

Checked the Encyclopaedia Iranica, the Lakhmids were a faction from 300+/- CE to 602 CE when the House of Lakmid was destroyed by the Sassanids (pre-Islamic Persians); No mention of a migration from Hira to Cairo (Basra to Egypt). Hisham ibn Abd al-Malik was born in Damascus in 691 CE. For Both???????????

[@roshlew6994]

@@gilbertjones9157 602AD is when the Byzantine-Sassanid war started and by 610AD the Persians had taken control of Syria, Levant and Egypt. The Lakhmids were allies and auxiliaries of Persians and moved from their homeland in southern Mesopotamia to the newly conquered territories in Egypt . It's likely Hisham was closely related to the Lakhmids. So did Ali.

[@gilbertjones9157]

@@roshlew6994 What I posted you did not address in this reply. What is your source for that information? I found nothing that supports what you are saying. I could be wrong so you are a fount of knowledge give your sources. I put mine there.

[@gilbertjones9157]

Many Muslims I have interacted with them who like to lean on [like a Syrian War Elephant] that the Quran was memorized. Ok, and the sayings? What of the History? Or any of the other 'authorized' aspects of the Standard Narrative [that has holes in it]. Ooooookay. If the Quran has been memorized and those who memorized it pass the memories on to their 'students' and so on and so on and so on.... Were these students also memorizing by oral teaching the Saying of Mohammad? History of Mohammad? the Life of Mohammad and other 'stuff'??? Or were the students just memorizing by oral teachings One of those different aspects of the Narrative? Memorize what I am giving you orally (repeat what I have recounted to you) the Quran(s) from beginning to end (or Surah [The Seven Sleepers] or [Solomon and Sheba (I like the Hupa Bird)] (no chapter or verse in oral recitation Before it is written down)) Then when it is written down in assembled order (how is that accomplished?) the Quran now has chapter and verse In perfectly preserved assembled order as it has been transmitted before in orally copied from teacher to student in the oral transmission method AND all the orally preserved sayings and history (did they keep a annual calendar or annual journal that was memorized and passed on until written down?) Then there is the Reality that all Qurans [36 recognized while 100s more were being used (was this when the Quran burnings happened?)] were passed through an oral teaching method, as were the sayings and Histories and 'how to' live like the messenger? As of 2022 - Can one person learn by the oral transmission method of one Quranic version, all the saying (or a portion codified) all the history - in proper order (or a portion codified) And the How To Live also in proper order??? Hummmmm........... Who checks the 'Chain of Custody for the Oral TransmissionS' of the students to teachers in 2022?

[@pouyashahrouei7433]

We need the presentation files. Where can we get them? Thank you!

[@nasserhameed3828]

Good work on the Standard Islamic Narrative though.

[@gramaniguna]

dear jay can you please gather all the available photographs from ancient past till date chronologically and keep a record of it for present or future use of your ministry I would very much like to see such a collection of photographs on mecca.

[@gilbertjones9157]

Photography is not more than 200 years old. There maybe some drawings from earlier, but I don't know for sure.

[@hereweare9096]

@@gilbertjones9157 This is why the maps are so important. An ancient large city would have to have been in maps.

[@yen-yen3803]

I like the phrase of Dr. Jay , the high the Islamic Narrative put Mecca 🕋, the highest it’s going to falls into destruction of debunk’ Islam without lies and sword ⚔️ nothing to be called Islam.

[@goatmorcan1070]

Dear Christians who pretend to love Jesus, open your hearts and question all what the church is telling you. do not be a follower(sheep), think and question your belief, are we doing what Jesus used to do? Here is some facts showing why Muslims are the only Jesus followers/ lovers : 1- Muslim love Jesus more than Christians do and even they cannot mention his name without saying (God peace be upon him). Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference; 25 times by the name Isa, third-person 48 times, first-person 35 times, and the rest as titles and attributes. 2-Praying face on the ground: Jesus used to pray by putting his face on the ground.

[@yen-yen3803]

@@goatmorcan1070 thank for your comment and advising Christians on what they have missed and did not understand for their love for Jesus Christ and only Muslims understood and loved Jesus more than the Christians. First of all Christians and anyone else are loved by God first before they can love Him or knowing him.(John 3:16, 1John 4:19) this itself disproved your claimed. Secondly, Christians loved Jesus Christ for what he(Jesus) has done for them on the cross for his sacrificial death on the cross which Islam and Muslims denied and reject completely. more to follow

[@goatmorcan1070]

@@yen-yen3803 are you kidding, God love Christians and what about people that lived before Jesus, God loved them? or since they did not believed in trinity and Jesus they are in hell? and why God did not decide to send his son to early people to save them? he was learning by trial and error? it only false claims from all lazy Christians, saying God send Jesus to forgive us and after what people are doing, fornication, drug, gambling, not praying , no fasting , usury, pornography,etc. this is your life full of lies and false claims.

[@sgt.grinch3299]

You should play my favorite Fleetwood Mac song. Lies. Tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies. Tell me lies.

[@debbiesequeira6963]

Dr Al Fadi and Dr Jay Smith. Thank you. very interesting information. GOD bless. Do you know our dissappointment is GODS appointment.

[@gedat5538]

Thank you for doing the homework! It is easy to steal and lie...but to catch the thief and the liar, it takes a lot of historical work and documentation homework! Just like catching a criminal!

[@goatmorcan1070]

Dear Christians who pretend to love Jesus, open your hearts and question all what the church is telling you. do not be a follower(sheep), think and question your belief, are we doing what Jesus used to do? Here is some facts showing why Muslims are the only Jesus followers/ lovers : 1- Muslim love Jesus more than Christians do and even they cannot mention his name without saying (God peace be upon him). Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference; 25 times by the name Isa, third-person 48 times, first-person 35 times, and the rest as titles and attributes. 2-Praying face on the ground: Jesus used to pray by putting his face on the ground.

[@abdillahijalalkhan2128]

A criminal rouge like Jay.

[@gedat5538]

@@abdillahijalalkhan2128 : What is your proof to call a criminal??

[@gedat5538]

@@goatmorcan1070 : Christians have checked everything critically through the centuries. They had the freedom to do it. The Muslims are the ones who have followed their prophet and teachers blindly. If they didn't they would lose their heads! That is why they are people of the 7th century!

[@goatmorcan1070]

@@gedat5538 Sure you checked everything, except knowing who wrote your bible :), funny. read history and you will find that in early time, they were Christians who believed that Jesus was a messenger of God and no mention to trinity and what happened to them, they were killed. do you home work and think a little bite. all your spiritual life is lie, just compare your life, you wife and kids to Jesus behavior. history of Christian countries : invented drugs, pornography, Gambling, pedophilia, racisms, wars, mafias, imperialism, racial genocides etc and then you think your society are a believer one :) . May god open your hearts because they are like stones.

[@joecarbone2316]

Mecca is an amusement park like Disney world, instead of Mickey, you have invisible Muhammad.

[@MrDrbld]

Hence the Mecca and Mo-town labels for top level blues entertainment and to save our soul(s).

[@aaabrams1889]

STOP THIS JEALOUSY!!!

[@MrDrbld]

@@aaabrams1889 kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZLJoIGvqLmlmKc This is absolutely adorable and Patti's singing is flawless and sweet! GOOD BOY!!!

[@MrDrbld]

Hey Joe. Hounds at the door....kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZLJoIGvqLmlmKc

[@aaabrams1889]

@@MrDrbld WHAT KIND OF TROLL ARE YOU?>

[@GjohnMarko]

Could I have this powerpoint?

[@redewaanabdullah4870]

Allah is THE BEST OF PLANNERS

[@11385djg]

Dr. Smith, what about Ibn Abas (the cousin of Moh'd)? Doesn't he have a Tafsir? If so, then Al Tabri (d. 923 AD) is not the first who did the Tafsir according to your timeline but Ibn Abas.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

Ghareeb al-quran fi shi'r al-arab by Abdullah ibn Abbas r.a.h 👈 on Lisaan.Net,seems to ring authentic origins.

[@pfanderfilms]

There are no original documents from Ibn Abas, or even from his century, so we are dependent on al Tabari in the 10th century to supposedly quote from him, but he gives us contradictory material on Ibn Abas, suggesting it is mostly contrived and then simply redacted back and attributed to him, and nothing more.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

@@pfanderfilms .Hi Dr Jay. The is no original Qur'an document and that being so does not kill the objective. NB.sorry cannot give reference,yet I have red(to read) from western written sources,that in early islamic period the was a 100yr ban,that stopped Arab liturature being translated into Farsi,yet the nan fell after 100 years.Also Tabari had a ten volume works,that was translated into Farsi lingo and then into a modern Arabic 👈 hence all Tabari works are tampered with,in my veiw.

[@asifbrettishmaelmakki9]

@@pfanderfilms .following maybe true but quoted 4yrs ago. "where did Mecca Blackstone come"(explained by Jewish man)max Denver moss" Mel did suggest that Blackstone is potentially from Moses lot .

[@springheeledjack9652]

I'm may have misunderstood, but they say Mohamed when he died went bodily to heaven, If so how can he be buried in medina?

[@hamsterbox4732]

No, he didn't bodily go into heaven as there is a hadith that his Mom's body started to stink although they were told the prove of a prophet is their bodies won't decay. But Mom's obviously did so they finally buried him a bit later than it was custom in these hot countries.

[@bavannaicker4466]

Flying horse ! Pegasus? There seems to be a bit of Greek mythology thrown into the Narrative? Does Medusa feature as well ?

[@abubakrwest1007]

I'm Muslim and very proud Muslim These Two guys try Their Outmost to try Their luck please Concentrate on Your Religion and efforts to Study Your own Religion You both should strengthen Your efforts to get closer to Your Lord thank You

[@Tata-mt7ue]

Will Jesus approve of the way your women dress today, will Jesus approve of the way your men dress today, will Jesus approve of how segregated your churches are today?

[@justinamusyoka4986]

@@Tata-mt7ue Christianity today got many flaws,almost paganised.

[@Tata-mt7ue]

@@justinamusyoka4986 the real Christians are in falestine 🇵🇸 and Syria 🇸🇾 They believe in one God Allah They know Issa is not a God They speak the same language as Issa peace and blessing be upon him They believe Issa is the messenger of God And they don’t celebrate Christmas, Easter or any of the western celebrations

[@danielvandermeulen9077]

Mecca is in a dessert. No history.

[@hans471]

I love you guys. Still I think you should have included ibn ishaq I think who is earlier than ibn Hisham. Also it is a bit cheesy to use the death dates instead of life span for the people described. One could assume that ibn Hisham wrote the biography eg in 800 not at the year of his death... (The dates are still late)

[@pfanderfilms]

In academia you always write the date of the person's death, as they are able to write, change and rewrite their pieces right up to their death, and others also add to their material post mortem. Notice I also only referred to the date of Muhammad's death as well, so the 201 years is correct. It is understood by scholars that the exact dates for anyone's material usually comes towards the end of their lives, unless specified.

[@managersamuel]

Islam is as writing 1945 World War in 2145.

[@gilbertjones9157]

Sorry Sam but your syntax in the sentence is hard to follow and your thought does not track.

[@milkshaikh1264]

God bless you both

[@goatmorcan1070]

Dear Christians who pretend to love Jesus, open your hearts and question all what the church is telling you. do not be a follower(sheep), think and question your belief, are we doing what Jesus used to do? Here is some facts showing why Muslims are the only Jesus followers/ lovers : 1- Muslim love Jesus more than Christians do and even they cannot mention his name without saying (God peace be upon him). Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference; 25 times by the name Isa, third-person 48 times, first-person 35 times, and the rest as titles and attributes. 2-Praying face on the ground: Jesus used to pray by putting his face on the ground.

[@invitationtoislam3227]

Challenge of Almighty Allah to all in the Holy Quran: "And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down [i.e., the Qur’ān] upon Our Servant [i.e., Prophet Muḥammad (ﷺ)], then produce a sūrah (chapter) the like thereof and call upon your witnesses [i.e., supporters] other than Allah, if you should be truthful. But if you are unable to do so-and you will never be able to do so-then fear the Fire (Hell) fuelled with people and stones, which is prepared for the disbelievers." (Al Quran: 2: 23-24)

[@abdumasihalarkhabil9667]

Great presentation! What about the 4 Imams in relation with sources ?

[@tarnos4153]

It would be interesting to find out who were in charge and what was happening in the period of 749 - 823 A.D. in those regions.

[@fantasia55]

Abassids

[@damiengirvan5020]

I'm a big fan of Al Fadi:) his facial expressions are the best:)

[@simonhengle8316]

Very good, but I was hoping for more debunking of Mecca itself, so i find this one fairly disappointing regarding Mecca itself. A good book is The Mecca Mystery by Peter Townsend

[@MrDrbld]

Txs. BTW, just checked - he has a website but it's down

[@simonhengle8316]

@@MrDrbld His book is readily available on Amazon etc.

[@MrDrbld]

@@simonhengle8316 Noted Txs . On to it...

[@MrDrbld]

And also I see a bit too much throat clearing in this episode. prefer to see more objective and emprical details such as geographical, contemporanoues textual proofs in more detail. Coming maybe. And no mention of Hoyland who recently put his flag out and said he doubted the existance of Mecca a s major Metropolis a la Koran el al. I think he is econimical with his position since he can access source data in many languages and must have come to this conclusion some time back. .

[@pfanderfilms]

Lots more yet to come, so stay tuned!

[@demonduels6751]

Doubters are challenged to produce a "statement" or speech similar to the Quran, and the Quran explicitly challenges to produce either one, (10:38) or ten chapters similar to itself. Another verse states that neither humans, nor the jinns could create a book like it, even if they were working together. So it should be easy for you both

[@abdillahijalalkhan2128]

😄😆😅🤣😂

[@silverltc2729]

Muslims are victims. Pray for Iblis/Satan's claws to be removed off their hearts.

[@goatmorcan1070]

Dear Christians who pretend to love Jesus, open your hearts and question all what the church is telling you. do not be a follower(sheep), think and question your belief, are we doing what Jesus used to do? Here is some facts showing why Muslims are the only Jesus followers/ lovers : 1- Muslim love Jesus more than Christians do and even they cannot mention his name without saying (God peace be upon him). Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference; 25 times by the name Isa, third-person 48 times, first-person 35 times, and the rest as titles and attributes. 2-Praying face on the ground: Jesus used to pray by putting his face on the ground.

[@anthonymbate3187]

Brother Al-fadi I would want to know the last time you went back home if you ever did?

[@davidschosser4069]

thank u for this information guys awesome work 🤣👍 dude u guys killed it i had no idea bout this hoax

[@mariongranbruheim4090]

Gleefully watching the Religion of Lies going down like a tailless kite.

[@redleaf4902]

Lazy mind. Lazy words.

[@gilbertjones9157]

@@redleaf4902 Well, we do see a lot of that in these replies.

[@TheAslauga]

This religion of lies fair quite well actually, its becoming the fastest growing religion in america n Europe.. instead nof going down, looks like its going up, how so?

[@goatmorcan1070]

Islam is the religion of Mohammed, Jesus, Abraham , Moses, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Isaac , David, Salmon, etc and all prophets. it will never die for a simple reason: God wants people to have the truth at their hand till the day of judgment and decide what to do with it. And the truth is Exodus 20:3

[@goatmorcan1070]

Quick question sister, do you think that by looking at you picture i will see Mary mother of Jesus piety and mercy and faith. just compare your look and all your doing to her.

[@theonly6359]

Oh 🤭 the first Sira was written 201 after Mohammad’s death 🤭 by no single eyes witness🤭. Thanks very much 🙏🏾 for this valuable info.

[@theonly6359]

@نعيم بن انس 8:37 has your answer

[@nabalnabil3218]

God bless...

[@jamiegrieve5875]

So when was the first ever writing about Muhammad and his life or what is in the Koran or anything?

[@preapple]

Camels are able to travel between 25 and 100 miles per day (40-160km). So time it would take to go from Medina to Hira / Baghdad would be a minimum of two whole weeks! Bukhara on the other hand would be a month or more away by camel. ISLAM IS AN ABBASID CREATION

[@pakyu7279]

Jesus is ashul

[@tommyrotton9468]

I am supposing the SIN has no written manuscripts regarding Mecca that date prior to the Abbasids including them. There certainly seems to be no 6th century or earlier Mecca in Saudi Arabia. So the SIN if fabricated might be there was never a Mecca, a first city, in any location. So what we have is the Abbasids using a myth and liking the myth of the first city and linking that to a black stone artefact because they want to make a reconciliation between myth and a physical object. Kind of strange the Jews have no myths of a first city.

[@johnnybravo6224]

In those days no Jews lived in Medina! No reason to because there is no money to be made in the middle of nowhere!!!! And FYI if they did they would have put the whole lot of your kind SIX FEET UNDER and we wouldn't have this discusion!!! 💪🏻👊🏻😤

[@fantasia55]

There were silver mines near Medina.

[@tommyrotton9468]

@@fantasia55 in which case the Romans would have invaded, took it over & put it on a map

[@fantasia55]

@@tommyrotton9468 those mines were discovered centuries after the Romans

[@el-jordanel-ataarikiglover4855]

Kia Ora'na GREETINGS and Hello from the CROWN absolutely beautiful and well said and Correct summary.

[@stephanieellison7834]

What is crazy about this is when you compare timelines in today's context. Granted, things did not change or evolve as rapidly as they do today (I think1 (?)), but still, numbers of hundreds of years are bandied about as though they are not really that long, and yet, the US is not even 250 years old yet! Never mine 300 years. So much is lost in these intervening centuries, and it is important for people to realize what can get lost in just 20 years time, for one generation to give way to the next in those days. Presentations like this drive this point home of how FUTILE it is to try to "guessimate" who said what even 10 years before if one wasn't there to hear it in the first place, and who knows if the person who heard it is even a reliable eyewitness in the first place!