Islam or Atheism which is more Rational? South Africa | University of Johannesburg

[@humzanafees9348]

Me and my wife used to be Hindus and we were hardcore Hindutva nationalists who hated Muslims. In 2019 we converted to Islam and changed our names alhamdullah ❤😊

[@affon384]

I am happy for both of you, and may Allah bless you both.

[@SaddamHussain-we9ec]

which city are you from? what made you convert to islam? how it all started?

[@jona7200]

MashaAllah

[@hannawurst6064]

Son of God does not mean that God has a child in Christianity! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!* Son of God are 2 titles one referring to the Word of God and one referring to creation (humans, angels, demons)

[@Eldariur]

​@@hannawurst6064Listen, what is so hard about believing in a SINGLE and UNIQUE God ?

[@WAYOFLIFESQ]

Mashallah barakallah Love how you’re defending Islam on the greatest of stages!!! May Allah preserve you!!

[@ryojs4286]

Ayo brother. More events like this should be done in America as well

[@TS-zd2ud]

Son of God does not mean that God has a child in Christianity! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!* Son of God are 2 titles one referring to the Word of God and one referring to creation (humans, angels, demons)

[@TS-zd2ud]

Hebr 1,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, *by whom also he made the worlds;* as everyone can see the term Son of God refers to the Word of God = god himself! For through that God created the worlds! *what a mistake in the Qur'an!*

[@LeefIslam]

​@@TS-zd2udYou dont make any sense? Jesus is jesus and God is God? Every prophet who was sent came with the words of God? They where not literally the word of God? Jesus was set by God, Jezus prayed to God, Jezus had a God, Jesus talked with/to God? So NO God had a NOT a son or children and NO God is not a man or a baby who is bron. And lets get back to the point you have christians that say that God HAS literally a Son so the Quran speaks to al the sects of christanty also that some call Mary the mother of God..

[@immortalxsoul]

greatest of stages!!!? not greatest of course that's for sure.

[@GoldenGully]

Bringing Speakers Corner indoors 💪

[@sammu]

Fancy seeing you here!

[@Ahmed-qc1xs]

Salam, surprising seeing you comment here haha

[@vesicle121]

speakers corner kulfi

[@GhulamMustafa-pn2xi]

We need ketchup kulfi.

[@GeraltOfRivia69]

Please do one thing and stray away from using music in your videos. Just an advice

[@nousfx]

on aug 18th 2023 i accepted islam into my heart. best decision of my life

[@worldmadebyphysics8622]

Did you like the concept of virgins and wine in jannah brozzerrr?

[@nathanolson3135]

I Founding the true Islam I decided to quit Islam .

[@RamosayReturns1]

Masha'Allah. Welcome to the truth abd tge path if all prophers, including prophet Jesus (AS). May Allah carve your path and keep you steadfast on his path, Insha'Allah.

[@sonnyblc7287]

Good luck, now you can never leave because leaving is punishable by DEATH !

[@ShaytanDharm]

Mashallah

[@zainmehar2229]

After watching this debate, I decided to become a more practicing Muslim.😊 Islam is the ultimate Reality.

[@moslemabdooullah7901]

Al Hamdou lilleh Keep going bro

[@bigboywasim]

Alhumdulillah

[@AliAbuH]

Alhamdullilah but my bro, this video was uploaded 5 hours before you made that comment lollll. Take away two hours to watch it. So you became a better Muslim in those 3 hours ? Lolll may Allah preserve you my brother, just abit of banter

[@kuraikenshi2349]

Ha!! Keep going but dont try to leave. They'll kill ya.

[@jjohn408]

Hijab you show poor manners. Remember the learned used to learn manners before they learned knowledge. A lot of knowledge is ruined by poor manners. Whereas a small amount of knowledge is beautified by good manners

[@ahmadullahrajib2244]

i was a Hindu...reverted to Islam in. 2014..Alhamdulillah

[@memesaab]

SubhanAllah, may Allah SWT put barakah in your life and those muslims around you

[@ronakram6690]

Mashallah

[@RationalBeliver]

bro how about muslim in india ? do you from india brother?

[@ahmadullahrajib2244]

@@RationalBeliver No,I am from Bangladesh

[@memesaab]

@@RationalBeliver i’m an indian muslim, people have become very sensitive here. even criticizing the government is like disrespecting their God 💀 may Allah forgive us but for a long time they are not going to come back to their sense

[@Lagosawee]

I was hindu but I accepted Islam. My mother forced me to leave before my brother and father found out and she thought I converted to marry a Muslim. She though I would have somewhere to go but was on the streets for 6months. But my faith was strong 💪 and I’m off the streets.

[@nahinisrat1182]

May Allah grant you abundant reward in this world and next. Ameen

[@lukasbauer2850]

​@@nahinisrat1182amen

[@enddaoccupation]

I have never been through what been through . I'm born muslim . Your story reminds me of how islam started . You are a role model, and Allah favours you to me .

[@ronakram6690]

Mashallah

[@MohmmadSamii]

​@@enddaoccupation May be you are talking about that companion of Prophet Mohammad ﷺ . Who was greatly spoilt by his mother but when he accepted Islam his mother removed him from home. Subhanallah, he had everything from his family and mother but he saw that his family is wrong for being pagan and he has shown truth in Islam and Prophet Mohammad ﷺ and understood Oneness of The God Allah .

[@Riqq44]

As someone who is slowly “converting” from a atheist to a Muslim this was a must watch.

[@dogmaticagnostic7716]

Converting to a death cult? Are you crazy?

[@ddrum757]

Do you believe in talking Ants?

[@mahi3216]

​@@ddrum757the one who made you talk can make even rocks talk, what's possible shouldn't be limited by what we are used to..

[@aalim9720]

​@@ddrum757 do you believe in alternative realities/ the multiverses 🙄

[@stingaokley1867]

​@@ddrum757atheist believe in multiverse..so talking ant is not impossible for atheist too

[@asad8767]

Everybody's gangsta until Muhammad hijab start using new English words

[@Hanan.T.K]

🤣🤣

[@mohamedshaafi9581]

🤣

[@jona7200]

😂😂😂

[@OIX1453]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheRayanKhan]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@mshaz452]

I couldn't stop smiling while Muhammad Hijab was speaking, and the youth in the background were softly smiling. They knew that Islam is the truth. May Allah increase our eman and give us Muslims the pride that we had once upon a time. 🤲

[@ummahmed3354]

ameen yaa rabb...

[@ibrahimahm3d]

Ameen Ya Rabb Al Alamiin

[@jamieguthrie1760]

Only other Muslims turned up to listen, thats why there are only smiles. No one else really cared enough to even turn up!

[@EmpteeBluffs]

⁠@@jamieguthrie1760there were many claps for athiestic points. Sure more of the islamic ones. But there were quite a few athiests there too.

[@ShafiqFaizal]

​@@jamieguthrie1760nobody will ever clap for you when you're this proud

[@sebastianyaqub95victor]

Watching this from Cape Town. I embraced Islam 2 months ago. ALLAHU AKBAR!!!

[@ysfsuleman]

Alhamdulillah, lekker my bru, CT got a wonderful muslim community. May Allah keep you steadfast.

[@sufyaanaltalib6217]

I am In Cape Town too. I would love to grab a coffee

[@harharharharharharharharha240]

Mashallah ❤

[@ronakram6690]

Mashallah

[@hyderabadiurdu]

Are you related to former proteas wicketkeeper Mark Boucher?

[@Amin_2k]

Mohammed hijab has helped me actually be proud of my religion and to start practicing it 6-7 years ago. May Allah reward you immensly.

[@منوبيالفلسطي]

who doesn't practice islam is not a muslim...so Alhamdulillah , Allah has guided you

[@smiletojannah]

Fantastic discussion but appalling hosts.

[@MrRebel247]

Have to side with ur mates eyy As a Muslim, hamzah and especially hijab behaved poorly. Hijab, one can understand. But Hamza wasn’t he going on about trying to have more fruitful, meaningful conversations? Cause this was not it

[@ryojs4286]

@@MrRebel247 Have to side with your m8s ayyyyy Atheists were an absolute joke except for that short haired white guy he was interested in being honest The Indians and the joke of long haired guy were there to be dishonest and antagonistic as if he has the moral superiority. That's gross and disingenuous but what can you expect from atheist cultists, they worship everything other than Allah SWT

[@mohammedvawda3928]

Terrible hosts. And Oppenheimer didn't manage to say another word after he got schooled. What did he expect after intentionally coming up with wild nonsense?

[@MmM-iz5by]

@@MrRebel247its called GHEERA They defended our deen against the lies and the bias

[@Friendly11]

@@MrRebel247 if you had seen the other videos of Muhammad Hijab then you might not be saying this. People are different in most aspects also in the way or tone of speaking. Watch other videos of Muhammad Hijab. May ALLAH guide us all.

[@AyKuTRyu]

An Atheist asked Ahmed Deedat: How would you feel if you died and discovered that the Hereafter was a lie? Ahmed Deedat replied: Not worse than when you die and discover that the Hereafter is the TRUTH. Islam will win with or without you, but without Islam you will get lost and lose.

[@muhammadkhurramiqbal]

I would reply that the question is erroneous. That question can only be raised under the ideology of islam i.e there is space for thought process/a paradigm where one can think and regret/celeberate his death. Under athiesm, there is nothing after death..... how can one think after death under arhiesm..... he is finished..... gone.....!

[@AyKuTRyu]

@@muhammadkhurramiqbal Nice Bro, but just think about it which is more rational?

[@muhammadkhurramiqbal]

@@AyKuTRyu definitely having the belief in hereafter and keeping the safe side. Deedat sb is has said the right thing

[@AyKuTRyu]

@@muhammadkhurramiqbal Excellent! I like your attitude bro😉

[@SillySlidingSloth]

Brother there are multiple religions that indicates god is none of them

[@waseemreyaz3252]

" I got 20 seconds ,so I'm gonna recite the Quran". And recites surah Ikhlas Just amazing Love you Muhammad Hijab❤❤❤

[@MohmmadSamii]

Alhamdulillah

[@ILoveLuhaidan]

I am very disappointed with how he acted seeing as how respectful the opponents were. They aren’t career islamophobes for him to justify this behavior

[@waseemreyaz3252]

@@ILoveLuhaidan brother, if you watch his other videos, you will understand the nature of this man . He is love

[@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable]

@@ILoveLuhaidan Pdf file atheists force homosexuality on kids in order to condition them for dingy dingy with pdf file atheists from a very early age.

[@knowledge-n-Wisdom]

​@@ILoveLuhaidanyou are right buddy But M.hijab speaks like that It seems harsh But I'm from afghanistan I totally get it

[@AbabilHudHud]

Why does all religion challenges Islam? I don't see any hindu vs Buddhist, hindu vs singh,... Hindu vs atheists... Because Islam is sensibly true...

[@razagamerofficial1859]

Hinduism is bullshit they can't define what God is Christianity is irrational like concept of trinity and only Judaism and Islam left behind jews are in power economically but they do not usually debate on this topic only Islam left with true. Understanding of God and his book

[@JOUJOU.m3]

True

[@Sumaira-Khan]

Its the fastest growing religion more and more are drawn to it. Alhamdulillah

[@yousufhossain9768]

because hindu themselve dont belive their religion . there 10-15 types of hindus . and they worship anyone they find good or successful . but all of them have one thing in common they hate muslim and do the opposite of muslim

[@AS-gr5hi]

You can view it as they want to continue following their desires and lack self accountability. They know if they accept Islam, the truth, then they have to let go of their desires, which a lot do not want to do.

[@AS-bm5xv]

A bit disappointed honestly. I am an engineer/computer scientist, and have been practicing Islam for nearly 10 years now. I am not philosophically trained, nor religiously trained, and my knowledge is primarily from KZbin lectures and/or books. Despite that, I could find so many problematic and inconsistent statements with the atheists' positions. I expected more, I wanted to be challenged. Indeed, if we build walls of intellectualism upon foundations of truth, these walls would be unshakably and firmly grounded on all fronts. And walls of intellectualism built upon falsehood will always end in collapse. Alhamdulillah for Islam.

[@ummerfarooq5383]

The challenge is knowing that the opposition to the truth always have the same mechanical behaviour. It is just like reciting quran getting to the ayah of satan telling his feelings, or hearing about the wrong doers, then come the next week or the next month or the next year (depending upon how much time it takes to complete reading the quran) and hearing the same phrase of satan telling us his feelings or hearing about the wrong doers. So much so it becomes like periods of the moon or heavenly bodies. The deniers arguments being so predictable.

[@dadush4]

Scientist of engineering in chemicals of materials here. Same. What we saw here was a respectful display from atheists, which is uncommon from past debates like with krauss, aron ra or wood, and that is why atheists struggle. It s because when the atheist doesnt play semantics or attack with ad homs, his position becomes painfully obviously as an emotional dogmatist..

[@lovelylittlemuur]

Here to say that I am sorry you thought that atheism was suppose to be a challenge. There is no challenge to Islam. Only a challenge to muslims. Holdfast and Alhadmullilah!

[@TheRockeyAllen]

@@lovelylittlemuur indeed, Alhamdulillah!

[@MrBanana2000]

@@ummerfarooq5383That’s very well put. For those who are sure in their faith, the deniers arguments are like wails that come routinely like periodic chore.

[@abdulwahhabhodhaifa4049]

I am Muslim and today I rectified my Iman

[@abdulwahhabhodhaifa4049]

@@obaid1333 changed my name today

[@hnlr7385]

alhamdoulilah much love brother

[@asomawlood286]

Only allah knows about what is in the hearts. So only congratulations brother We pray to allah that he give you more knowledge and wisdom and taqwa too. Inshallah

[@dali8587]

@obaid1333 are you saying he was/is Buddhist?

[@obaid1333]

That sounds much better. Very proud of you my dear. Now you do deserve the 300+ 👍 😅.

[@asadullahsaaid3794]

*Timestamps:* 00:00 - Introduction 02:49 - Background of the Panelists 07:01 - Format of the Discussion 08:20 - Other Panelists 09:06 - Opening Statement by Eron 24:19 - Opening Statement by Mohammed Hijab: (Arguments for the existence of God) 30:06 - Arguments for God being only One 32:13 - Proof of Prophethood of Muhammad ﷺ 37:22 - Response to Eron's arguments 38:58 - Mohammed Hijab recites the Qur'an 39:34 - Opening Statement by Mark 58:27 - Opening Statement by Hamza Tzortzis 59:09 - Islamic response to the Problem of Evil 1:00:13 - Islamic Response to the Euthyphro dilemma 1:01:39 - The Qur'anic argument of prior cognitive information 1:16:25 - Ethics & Naturalism 1:19:12 - Objective Truth of Morality: Islam vs Liberalism/Atheism 1:30:08 - Eron's contentions & Hijab's response 1:34:10 - Discussion on Infinities 1:36:25 - Eron's argument against God's omniscience 1:38:00 - Debunking Eron's argument 1:40:53 - Discussion on Beliefs/Mind of God 1:43:37 - God vs Infinity 1:47:36 - Claim of grounding Objective Ethics in Suffering 1:49:55 - Refutation of the Suffering claim 1:50:50 - Eron's response about Suffering 1:51:36 - Scrutinizing Eron's response 1:55:00 - Hamza's review of the discussion so far 1:57:22 - The Problem of Evil & its Islamic response 2:00:54 - Argument of Contradiction of God creating evil 2:03:18 - Refutation of the Argument 2:06:54 - Closing

[@0929YY]

Please continue

[@NoneTheAneh]

Thank you for your hard work

[@catinho9705]

bump

[@bilbobaggins4703]

bro watched on 2x speed

[@crazychicken8290]

jazakullauhu khayrun

[@samuelwilliams6171]

Ex Christian and Muslim Alhamdulillah 😇💫☪️

[@JOUJOU.m3]

MachaAllah ❤🎉

[@jesusislord3003]

Anybody that knows Christianity, but most importantly Jesus Christ can never leave Him for Islamic paganism.

[@samuelwilliams6171]

@@jesusislord3003 Hindu Trinity Brahma Vishnu and Shiva Christian Trinity Father Son Holy Spirit ISLAM -ALLAH☝️ STOP WORSHIPPING TRINITY THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD ALLAH 💓

[@samuelwilliams6171]

@@MamaNewGuinea Muslim 😇

[@samuelwilliams6171]

@@MamaNewGuinea Because he created me 💓🤲😇

[@davicci2218]

Mashallah brother. 4 years now since i converted to Islam, alhamdullilah! Thank you for everything you do Mr.Hijab. I love watching your videos!

[@askyella]

What a fool you are!

[@salahuddeenayyubi313]

Masha Allah,bro. welcome to the family

[@AbdulAli786o]

@@salahuddeenayyubi313 Brother, I know you mean well, but welcome isn't the correct word.

[@salahuddeenayyubi313]

@@AbdulAli786o why?

[@AbdulAli786o]

@@salahuddeenayyubi313 He's been a revert for 4 years, I'm sure he's well acquainted with Islam. So welcome wouldn't be correct, but rather Ma Sha Allah

[@patel786]

As a South African I'm quite disappointed with the extremely poor organisation of this discussion. How could they not book the room for longer than the expected time the debate was intended to run for? Additionally there were several disturbances and the chair kept talking at length instead of timekeeping.

[@abuhaadiyah9403]

Bro I was so confused as to why he was talking for so long.

[@RessanLaw]

absolutely. They fly these gentlemen over from wherever country in the world and literally only have 2 hours for a debate between 4 intellectuals? What a joke and disappointment.

[@191010ak]

Exactly there were abig let down, 3 hours minimum

[@YP_1]

@@RessanLawit’s not even 2 hours it’s been majority interrupting and the guy with the long hair on the panel barely even talked

[@chilipepper44]

Yea and him going "uhhh" for 2 seconds before every sentence was so annoying and time wasting.

[@Alexander.Romance]

Alhamdellah I'm a Muslim. I love this deen everyday more and more.

[@x22972]

I accepted Islam yesterday. Proud to be Muslim. ❤ 😊

[@YourBoyDany]

Ayyeee Congratulations!! Welcome to Islam😊😊

[@wincentfritz]

Allahu akbar welcome my may Allah make you strong in the religion and make you happy with your fantastic choice❤

[@Moneylaughs40]

ALHAMDULILAH

[@Moneylaughs40]

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[@aymengasmi5156]

ALHAMDULILAH Congratulations

[@WabeeneyeIT-Department]

We often take it for granted, but us born muslims are blessed.

[@ashraffcool]

I swear to God ever since I realised the reality of life I always constantly remind me that we are so blessed to be Muslims. I know for sure one super good man in my lineage would have converted from Hinduism to Muslim in South India ---- Imagine the blessings this soul must be getting.... May Allah raise this person who brought us to the right path.... I believe we would have converted anywhere between 400-500 years back.... Alhamdullillah Islam is the right thing to have anywhere we live.

[@abayomrunkojemusa9086]

Alhamdulillah, i envy you. I was born in a Christian family and i wish i accepted Islam earlier even though we are all born muslims.

[@F_Dot_]

I was thinking about that today at Jumm'ah Salah

[@F_Dot_]

​@@abayomrunkojemusa9086don't think of it like that as guidance came to you and you accepted and thus having all your previous sins forgiven Masha'Allah. I often wonder if I wasn't born Muslim and someone gave me Da'wah, would I accept? May Allah keep you and us steadfast upon this religion and may He also guide your family to the Deen like He has with you. Ameen

[@mohammeddin6012]

for real, alhamdulillah

[@J-FLaw]

M Hijab my childhood friend. So proud of your brother. He was an intellectual guy and took over our politics class with his smartness, Mashallah

[@thethankfulservant9808]

Alhamdulillah

[@Makvideos123]

Really 😍🥰😍😍 Proud to have friend like hijab bhaiya ( elder brother) I am from India 17 yrs old going to be 18 yrs old

[@dadush4]

Was he always like that :D?

[@user-op8fg3ny3j]

@@dadush4 you got to practice when you're young

[@hobdns5933]

تو كون هو؟

[@TdRepresent]

55:59 The two GUYS behind Hijab are smiling with joy, they are like me in a hurry to listen to the response of the Hijab and Hamza duo

[@assabr8773]

That Oppenheimer got shut down hard 😂 Tried his best to attack Islam instead of responding to the arguments, utter failure.

[@jona7200]

He failed hard

[@Laedi93]

He didnt recover anymore

[@ZebecZT]

@crusader7356you’re very delusional. these people are nothing compared to hijab. he’s highly educated on the topics he discusses, cant be say about his opponents. jp one was not a debate but a discussion.

[@TheRayanKhan]

​@crusader7356 Don't be desperate boy. You typing comment saying he lost all debates doesn't make it true objectively. Come out of your delusional and watch his debate with open and rational mind but of course, what can we expect from people who cannot even rationally think that it is impossible for something to come out of nothing. He won all the debates but only an openminded person can see that not a sheep like you follows the rules and customs of the West. If you are told that a man can become a woman and vice versa, a boy can identify himself a dog or any other thing, eating meeting is wrong, homosexuality is right, you just believe it blindly without even thinking with your own mind. If a person doesn't want to see the truth, you can't force him to see it.

[@mitsimitsii]

@crusader7356 ah yes the audience, who most of them clapped in applause and belief towards what mohammad hijab was saying, was on the opposing side, who had 2 people applause at one point, 2.

[@j0kez708]

The one thing I really love about Hijab is his constant return to the Quran. He is a gem, mashallah.

[@Thawhid]

I love how he also clarifies that they strawman and or lie on their sources of Islam like in regards to that slavery topic

[@Thawhid]

Menstruation topic*

[@syedbaqir2687]

Alhamdulilah to be shia muslim as Prophet advised sahabas at ghadeer and hadith of Saqalain that Quran goes hand in hand with ahlul bayt. In order to understand Quran we need ahlul bayt. Unfortunately many hypocrits hidden as sahabas tried to stopped them with their cruelty and brutality.

[@BrownxBoy]

@@syedbaqir2687 🤡

[@MuhammadIbraheem727]

@@syedbaqir2687Do not argue and fighting with each other. We are muslims. Any differences between us, just come back to Quran, sunnah and Hadith of Prophet Muhammad. Period.

[@ummuhajar558]

I’ve been a Muslim for 20 years Alhamdullilah

[@ronakram6690]

Mashallah

[@poisonousbadge126]

Love these vids! I am an athiest south african and i encourage more debates!

[@specter1019]

Do not confuse a Muslim’s need to be humble with their right to fight back when required. Our Prophet (SAW) was the kindest and most humble human to ever exist, but he also went to war to protect the ummah. Both can exist at the same time. Well done brother Hijab! ❤

[@jodolski]

Hijab was unnecessarily boisterous and interruptive in this one. He needed to talk far less.

[@specter1019]

@@jodolski if you’re focusing on that rather than the content of what he said and the arguments he put across that the atheists didn’t even have a proper answer for, then you’re looking at this the wrong way and maybe not mature enough to see the bigger picture

[@jodolski]

@@specter1019 I’m not dismissing the merits of the Muslim arguments. They were solid. The atheists didn’t have a chance to respond. Debates like these don’t deserve to be confined to 2 hour sessions to be honest. It would’ve been better to focus on a single question / subject area and expand on that for hours instead of asking 4 or 6 different questions that acted as offshoots to a pretty general question.

[@specter1019]

@@jodolski i agree with you on that completely.

[@D_A-G]

@@jodolskiunderstand that people have different personalities and he doesn’t have to fit your pacific style and personality just because you feel uncomfortable with some heat in a normal yet critical discussion. Bro, stop talking like women, when they have no ground to respond on, they attack the way a person speaks, it’s a very known tactic among lawyers. It is said, if you don’t have an argument, play the man! Hijab was appropriate considering the context, enough with this passive approach that you grow up with because you are afraid to be accused of being aggressive and extremist nonsense.

[@youssefmo]

Hijab didn't go into this with "conversation" energy 😂 He came in with speakers corner energy 😂

[@tajiklad]

indeed))))

[@snakejuce]

🤣🤣

[@jona7200]

😂😂

[@007Saad007]

Fr

[@ibrahimahm3d]

😂

[@naimahmed3720]

Respect to Hijab for not letting their attempts at silencing him stop him. These athiests need to speak with their chest and argue the points, instead of crying about being scared and “uncomfortable” about Hijab’s tone of voice lol. They should expect different personalities and styles of debating. And also, the panellist moderators were absolutely unprofessional and rude. What a joke.

[@Samia_19]

Agreed

[@mohammedvawda3928]

Absolutely spot on

[@kamranabbasi6757]

But this wasn't a debate, it was supposed to be a discussion...

[@masrr3678]

​@@kamranabbasi6757yes but regardless some people have a more assertive and authoritative personality, this is how Hijab is and always has been, if you are a grown up you should have no issue accepting this rather than being intimidated by it

[@peaceful_warrior7627]

Does he always have to be theatrical and dramatic with warrior pose?

[@hasanulakib]

AI generated timestamps: 00:13 🎙 Event intro on religious dialogue. 01:25 🌍 Fostering communal belief discussions in Africa. 02:09 🔍 Deep importance of religious questions. 03:19 📚 Panelists' introductions in philosophy and theology. 07:04 📊 Discussion format outlined. 23:50 🕊 Logical argument from evil presented. 26:21 🔄 Contradictions in "limitless becoming limited." 27:00 💡 Naturalism as explanation for equality. 27:38 📜 Necessity of an independent, eternal being. 28:27 🔄 Contingent things indicating a necessary being. 32:38 💼 Prophet Muhammad's accurate predictions. 41:12 💬 Secular ethics rooted in suffering alleviation. 43:32 🤝 Kant's Categorical Imperative for morality. 46:03 🔄 Rawls' "veil of ignorance" for moral principles. 49:49 ❌ Apostasy, enforcement of belief. 50:17 ⚖ Apostasy punishment, Rushdie's fatwa. 52:08 🔴 Charlie Hebdo, depictions of Muhammad. 52:36 📚 Rules on depictions mostly apply to believers. 53:04 🔥 Quranic penalties and secular morality conflict. 54:01 ✋ Disproportionate punishments in Quran. 55:00 👥 Quranic penalties differ from secular views. 56:16 🌈 Sharia law's stance on homosexuality. 01:15:27 🧪 Debating moral perspectives. 01:18:08 🌍 Ontologies in moral philosophy. 01:20:13 🤔 Assumption of universal moral philosophies. 01:24:18 💬 Objective morality debates. 01:31:26 🗣 Need for respectful discourse. 01:36:10 🧐 Problem of God's omniscience and infinity. 01:36:51 🤔 God's knowledge and infinity conflict. 01:37:19 🌌 Qualitative vs. quantitative infinity. 01:40:21 💡 Attributes and infinite limitations. 01:45:07 🤝 Objectivity of ethics, grounded in suffering. 01:58:07 🤖 Argument on evil's existence and substantiation. 01:58:22 🛡 Good's degrees and argument's relevance. 01:58:58 💼 Divine wisdom and evil's absence. 01:59:28 💬 Deflection countered, evil and wisdom discussed. 02:00:11 📚 Accounts of good, wisdom, and evil.

[@abdelrahmaneslam]

thank you broski!!

[@Bbla-oz7qd]

Which ai? Is it bard ?

[@oxide7880]

Which ai was used brother?

[@Albania_Football]

​@@Ashraf65750 he used opus clip

[@hastalavista567]

Logical argument from evil?? Presented?

[@Fitin10nation]

I was introduced to Islam 24 years ago and while I may not practice Islam whole-heartedly, I believe that the Qur’an is the true authentic message from God.

[@anmzn.]

brother, if you believe that it is the authentic message, shouldn’t the fear lead you to attempt to be a practicing muslim. wish all the best on you bro

[@quranteacher2310]

Have you said your shahada? Even if your not practicing, you can still be Muslim

[@ebuhkary]

Take it one day at a time, each day you're a different muslim and judge what you do on that day and seek forgiveness for what has passed and yet to come. Allah is the most merciful.

[@Thawhid]

Aslong as what the other comments have said. Take your Shahada. Now you don't have to be a "full time" Muslim. Just refrain from major sin and within time you would naturally adjust, Allah never said to go from 0 to 100, that's one reason he's the most Merciful. Now don't take it the wrong way, it dosent mean you can play the game May God's mercy be upon you. Alhamdullillah

[@Thawhid]

Along*

[@rezasheikhameed2605]

I'm from SA and I'm ashamed at how this discussion was handled by the guy in blue! Why should we be submissive when they make false claims. I have the greatest of respect for both M. Hijab and Tzortis. May Allah bless you and keep you steadfast on this path. Allahu Akbr

[@lokidedbeat1878]

wow the chair was so unprofessional and unorganised, could get even set a time for q/a. also the beeping noise so they had fix that issue and waste time. then they started to blame the 4 people because they did not get time for q/a. its not they fault its chair for not organising it properly

[@historian3290]

@@lokidedbeat1878 Imagine trying to blame the panelist’s when they couldn’t get the debate in order. What a bunch of clowns. SA I’m disappointed. If I was MH or Hamza I would decline any further invitations from them.

[@Ruwayda-7et]

UJ embarrassed us properly Infront of academic giants

[@Ruwayda-7et]

And what was up with the chairman and his erm erm erm and fancy hands? Also the uncle next to him coming out at the last moment to throw his toys out of the cot😂 As a former UJ student, this was totally embarrassing. Not mentioning the weak atheist arguments. Come on you're going up against 2 giants, is this the best UJ could put forward? Mohammed and Hamza are true legends. Alhamdulillah ALLAH PAK bless you for all the work you do and the many whome you inspire.

[@ericdumont610]

​@lokidedbeat1878 the chair was great , if it was not it will give these to muslims free range for spewing their hatred towards these two guys.

[@Student.of.Knowledge]

I think MH got heated because the atheists kept missing the points of the questions the muslims were putting forward and then the atheists make a sly comment about some Islamic legal concept they deem as wrong. 1. They fail to answer questions. 2. They make false comments about Islam. 3. They tell MH to calm down when he raises his voice. This discussion was an awkward mess especially with the weird hosts' interjections and passive aggressiveness.

[@naimahmed3720]

They also came into the discussion of morality with the belief that their view is correct, which infuriated Hijab since he was asking why they thought that. Notice how they didn’t respond to why they think their morality should be the only way for everyone.

[@mujahidhasan118]

1. presentation/introduction panel peoples were very unprofessional shuttering and lacking and interrupt in very important moment 2x. 2. mark oppenheimer start to gives examples from the Quran about morality Which they don't know what they are talking about, they don't even study the Classic Arabic so they don't know classic Arabic. all of this things the mark has been mentioned or talk about from the Quran about morality those things has been dealt with so many time and answered, some claims he made are not from the Quran, some of them are just blunt lies that has been made up by islamophobs long long time ago. it just shows his (mark) lack of research about this topic before came into panel. 3. after that Muhammad Hijab got angry. he never should get angry or triggered by this people also I want to say to Mark that he never should talk about those things he doesn't know/researched completely or fully about those topic. 4. I also believe Hamza also get trigger or angry after mark speech. and later Hamza and Hijab made little bit of fun or bully the Atheist panel. which I don't support also I don't support mark it just shows his lack of research about this topic before came into panel. 5. this discussion was not about morality it was about the existence of god true or false. 6. my discussion rating over all 7.5/10

[@imfermion206]

the question remained unanswered

[@ArtworksofWilliamMustafa]

The point MH was making was simple and they knew they were stuck. As an atheist you have no basis of morality, so when you choose to make an assessment on it, you have to at least show were your basis is. MH was saying..since you won't make it clear, your statement seems to be based off a system that is infallible and morally proven to cause more damage in the lifespan of it's activity. Where as we (Muslims) have had a guide on moral truths from creation, and then reaffirmed through our final prophet. How dare he then pass judgement from a vacuum or even a currpt system while then hiding your hands saying he wasn't there to tell where his actual source of morality stemmed from

[@ibrahimahm3d]

True

[@abyrahman6610]

The title should be: Hamza and Hijab Vs Atheists and the panel! 😂😂😂

[@yetisplash4808]

This is not only exciting but it’s truly monumental. A first of its kind. Thank you MH and HT. Hopefully, there are many more debates like this from now on. Takbeer!!!

[@AshfaQ9556]

اللہ اکبر

[@quranchannel4622]

ALLAH AKBAR

[@zakirnaikahmaddeedat3651]

Allaahu Akbar

[@genji5312]

Allahu Akbar

[@Prayformetobeagoodmuslim]

Who won this vid too long for me to watch?

[@kaiteross6596]

I love M Hijab , I love the fact he doesn’t let anyone intimidate him , they tried it . Well done brother

[@hafsaahmed849]

Our brothers in Islam Alhamdulillah diffending our Faith.

[@faf52]

As a South African academic I'm embarrassed.. As a Muslim this strengthened my faith in Allah and islam

[@talentfinder575]

Academic 🤣😂🤣

[@vroumens]

small things amuses small minds@@talentfinder575

[@HH_1988]

​@@talentfinder575Yes, academic is a word. You can look it up in the dictionary if you don't know its meaning.

[@faf52]

@@HH_1988 I didn't bother responding to that but thank you..

[@Thawhid]

​@talentfinder575 don't you know what academic means? Is the word itself funny sounding to you ?

[@Malikejder-wg7rb]

In fact, most people do not believe in religion to avoid responsibility. Because they are afraid of not living the life they want. Why should they believe in a religion that prohibits alcohol, pork, gambling, premarital sex, eating interest, commands giving alms to the poor, and commands prayer 5 times a day?

[@chtadow13]

I am a Muslim (Bengali Canadian) and I once was steering towards atheism in my early 20s during my Bachelors'. Today, I am a proud Muslim and Brother Hijab and Brother Tzortzis are strongly responsible for rectifying my Aqeedah (creed). Thank you brothers! Fine work as always!

[@jjohn408]

Hijab you show poor manners. Remember the learned used to learn manners before they learned knowledge. A lot of knowledge is ruined by poor manners. Whereas a small amount of knowledge is beautified by good manners

[@chtadow13]

@@jjohn408 Why shouldn't he be enraged being treated like a child when he is clearly more qualified than all of the panel. Just because he has an 'assertive' voice (he himself mentioned after being disrupted many times throughout), what gives white men the right to shut him up? This is how Africans discuss, the voice is loud. Be 'inclusive'. Why do we always have to conform to white men standards of discussion?

[@chtadow13]

@@jjohn408 Sometimes, righteous anger (indignance) is a virtue. This was one of those times. Speak out for your rights to speak. He did it in a well-mannered tone given the rudeness of the panel/speakers.

[@chtadow13]

@@jjohn408 also, these two white men as usual attacked Islamic sharia law calling it barbaric essentially and also misrepresenting it. Typical white savior/white man's burden mentality. They committed the most racist and heinous and genocidal crimes the past few centuries and they wanna lecture us?! Get outta here!

[@MilitantAntiAtheism]

@@chtadow13 Yes drag queen story hours is forcing homosexuality upon kids, which is conditioning them into a belief that having dingy dingy with adult pdf file atheists is normal. This is why atheists and muslims agree so much on so many thing, because mupedohammad was pdf file too *sunan abi dawud 2121* *_Remember:_*_ The international apostacy day for muslims is on 22nd of August_

[@incognito2.030]

I got sucked into the new age atheist religion. The fact that I couldn't prove God empirically, stumped me as a kid and made Islam seem like a blind faith religion to my young and impressionable mind. They told me that religion was a tool of mass control and indoctrination with no evidence. I blindly followed their religion of naturalism over our religion of truth. However, when dared to actually picked up the Quran, that we can prove has never been changed. I saw all the proof that a logical and rational mind needed to accept the truth. May Allah shower you all with his mercy, knowledge, and guidance. If I can't meet you all in this life, then inshAllah we'll continue this discussion in the afterlife. Please keep my family and I in your Dua and ask Allah to bring us closer to him. -Alex

[@afzalhossain1429]

Are u reverte brother?

[@Free-Palestine]

@@afzalhossain1429 He was born in a Muslim family. Was influenced by naturalistic, atheistic beliefs. Then returned to Islam, once he seriously looked into it.

[@MohmmadSamii]

Mashallah; ......... ... Ameen,

[@Hitchens-k9s]

@@Free-Palestine7 out of 10 new Muslim converts leave Islam within 1 year according to the survey made by PEW research centre

[@nutlakali2193]

My Allah almighty keep you and your family firm upon the deen, and bless you and your family with al firdows insha Allah 🤲

[@matheen8574]

The university host guys were very disruptive. I don't understand why they acted as if they had authority over the debaters arguments

[@truth8085]

The host in the middle started presenting his own point of view and took 5 mints what he thinks but couldn't conclude 🤣🤣🤣

[@Bless-cs9ct]

Because they are anti muslim hindus

[@peekabu897]

@@truth80855 minutes until hijab interrupted him. God knows how long he would have gone on for. He was clout chasing of hijabs name and tried to include himself in the debate.

[@AhmadTamimi257]

Unapologetically Muslim 💪☝️❤ Proud to be Muslim... Alhamdulillah !!!

[@Badri31333]

اَلحَمْدُلِله

[@AhmadTamimi257]

@@jrgenstorm6536 I smell something burning .... Oh it's your heart !!

[@SheikhZedoo]

​@@jrgenstorm6536Why do you care ? Haha, don't you believe in gay love an peace Hahaha

[@yjkader]

💯💪 ☝️✊🌹

[@mohammedgamal1715]

​@AhmadTamimi257 Not just his heart is burning brother, it is his ass as well

[@IsmailSarkaya-ll4ts]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🎙️ Introduction to the Discussion 09:15 🤔 Defining Rationality and Overview 11:08 🕊️ Arguments for Atheism 16:59 🤨 Arguments for Atheism (continued) 24:05 🧐 Conclusion of Arguments for Atheism 24:22 🤖 Beginning of the discussion on the existence of God. 29:07 🛡️ Discussing the uniqueness of one God. 32:23 💼 Introducing evidence for the truth of Islam. 39:47 ⚖️ Shifting to the discussion of morality and secular ethics. 48:12 📜 Comparing secular ethics to religious morality. 49:49 🕌 Addressing the issue of apostasy in Sharia law. 50:03 📜 Discussion on Controversial Religious Views 58:23 🧐 Arguments for God's Existence and Responses to Atheism 01:02:07 🤯 Argument from Cognitive Information 01:11:59 🤖 Grounding Morality in Transcendent Agent 01:13:49 🧐 Critique of Atheism's Philosophical Underpinnings 01:16:00 📚 Open Discussion on Morality and Worldviews 01:24:04 🤯 Challenges to Secular Ethics and Ethical Relativism 01:27:14 🔎 Assessing the Universality of Moral Frameworks 01:31:26 🤝 Panel Discussion Introduction 01:35:12 🧐 Examining the Notion of Actual Infinities 01:38:00 🧠 Philosophical Grounding for Objective Morality 01:51:29 🧠 The discussion addresses the instrumental value of suffering and the distinction between psychological and ethical aspects of pain. 01:52:11 🧐 Examining the concept of "objective" and its relevance to grounding moral values in naturalism. 01:53:06 🤔 Discussing the compatibility of naturalism with the concept of divine attributes and non-physical features. 01:54:17 🗣 Addressing interruptions and disagreements within the discussion, emphasizing the importance of respect and civility. 01:55:03 🙏 Reflecting on the intention and atmosphere of the conversation, discussing the role of academics, and addressing the perception of bias. 01:57:11 🧐 Analyzing the philosophical arguments related to the existence of evil and divine wisdom. 01:58:58 🤯 Exploring theological perspectives on the existence of evil and divine wisdom, considering privation and Divine Command theory. 02:00:26 🤯 Expanding on the philosophical arguments related to God's attributes, goodness, and the absence of good. 02:03:14 📚 Reflecting on the ongoing philosophical discussion, referencing Islamic scholars' perspectives on the absence of good. Made with HARPA AI

[@IsmailSarkaya-ll4ts]

- [00:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 🎙 Introduction to the Discussion - The event is framed as a conversation, not a debate. - Emphasis on fostering open dialogue and seeking truth. - Acknowledgment of the importance of religious questions in human history and conflict. - [09:15](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 🤔 Defining Rationality and Overview - Distinguishing between epistemic and pragmatic rationality. - Focusing on epistemic rationality in the context of atheism vs. theism. - Introduction to key terms: God, atheism, theism, naturalism, and supernaturalism. - [11:08](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 🕊 Arguments for Atheism - Arguments against the existence of God being philosophically persuasive. - Highlighting the absence of compelling evidence for God's existence. - Introduction of the deductive argument from absence of evidence. - [16:59](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 🤨 Arguments for Atheism (continued) - Presenting a family of arguments against theism, including logical incoherence and poor explanatory power. - Focusing on the logical argument from evil by J.L Schellenberg. - [24:05](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 🧐 Conclusion of Arguments for Atheism - Recap of key arguments against theism. - Invitation for further discussion and exploration of presented arguments.

[@IsmailSarkaya-ll4ts]

- [24:22](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8Um22s) 🤖 Beginning of the discussion on the existence of God. - Exploring explanations for the universe's existence, including the concept of a necessary being. - Differentiating between finite chains of dependence and infinite chains, highlighting the absurdity of an infinite chain of dependencies. - Arguing for the existence of a necessary being to make sense of dependent things. - [29:07](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8Um7s) 🛡 Discussing the uniqueness of one God. - Explaining why there can only be one necessary being. - Touching on Quranic arguments and verses that support the idea of one God. - Emphasizing the idea of an overarching, singular will as a foundation for the universe's stability and regularity. - [32:23](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8Um23s) 💼 Introducing evidence for the truth of Islam. - Presenting the prophetic predictions made by the Prophet Muhammad, including geopolitical events and societal changes. - Highlighting the accuracy and unambiguous nature of these predictions as evidence for Islam's validity. - [39:47](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8Um47s) ⚖ Shifting to the discussion of morality and secular ethics. - Defining the criteria for a good moral theory, including coherence, consistency, and universality. - Presenting two secular approaches to morality: one grounded in the avoidance of suffering and the other based on rationality and universal laws. - [48:12](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8Um12s) 📜 Comparing secular ethics to religious morality. - Explaining the adaptability and inclusivity of secular ethics compared to religious moral codes. - Discussing the potential challenges of adhering to immutable religious texts in a changing world. - [49:49](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8Um49s) 🕌 Addressing the issue of apostasy in Sharia law. - Mentioning the concept of apostasy in Islam and the expectation for Muslims to remain within the faith. - Referring to real-world examples of individuals accused of apostasy. Please note that this summary covers the main themes and timestamps you provided, and it focuses on the requested format.

[@IsmailSarkaya-ll4ts]

- [50:03](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 📜 Discussion on Controversial Religious Views - Discussion about controversial religious views. - Ayatollah Khomeini's fatwa against Salman Rushdie. - Debate on the morality of punishing apostates. - Controversy surrounding depictions of the Prophet Muhammad. - Examination of Quranic verses related to non-believers and their punishments. - [58:23](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 🧐 Arguments for God's Existence and Responses to Atheism - Presentation of an argument challenging naturalism. - Refutation of the problem of evil argument. - Discussion on the arbitrariness of God's commands. - Introduction of the "quranic argument of Prior cognitive information." - Examination of the necessity of prior cognitive information for human judgment and thoughts. - [01:02:07](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 🤯 Argument from Cognitive Information - Presentation of an argument for the existence of God based on cognitive information. - Explanation of why human beings require prior cognitive information for judgments. - Examination of potential sources of prior cognitive information and their inadequacies. - Discussion on the limitations of naturalistic explanations. - Conclusion that a non-natural agent best explains prior cognitive information.

[@IsmailSarkaya-ll4ts]

- [01:11:59](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 🤖 Grounding Morality in Transcendent Agent - Morality must be grounded in a non-natural Transcendent agent. - The agent should be living, willing, transcendent, and omniscient to explain morality. - Atheism fails to provide a rational basis for morality. - [01:13:49](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 🧐 Critique of Atheism's Philosophical Underpinnings - Atheism as a form of philosophical naturalism, scientism, and post-modernism. - Atheism struggles to explain the foundation of rationality, truth, and morality. - It lacks an objective basis for morality and cognition. - [01:16:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 📚 Open Discussion on Morality and Worldviews - Discussion on various worldviews and their moral foundations. - Critique of secular ethical frameworks. - The importance of recognizing different ontologies and cosmologies in ethical discussions. - [01:24:04](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 🤯 Challenges to Secular Ethics and Ethical Relativism - The debate shifts to the challenges of secular ethics and ethical relativism. - Questions regarding the objectivity of ethics and moral grounding. - Discussion on the implications of different moral frameworks. - [01:27:14](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 🔎 Assessing the Universality of Moral Frameworks - A focus on the universality of moral frameworks and their origins. - The role of cultural and historical context in shaping moral philosophies. - Exploring the concept of rights within different ethical systems.

[@IsmailSarkaya-ll4ts]

- [01:31:26](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 🤝 Panel Discussion Introduction - Panel discussions commence with a focus on assertive speech, structural issues, and disagreement handling. - [01:35:12](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 🧐 Examining the Notion of Actual Infinities - Debate about the existence of actual infinities in different contexts. - Differentiating between qualitative and quantitative infinities. - Discussing the applicability of actual infinities to God's attributes. - [01:38:00](kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6GvpZ2rhcxgd8U) 🧠 Philosophical Grounding for Objective Morality - Exploring the philosophical basis for objective morality. - Linking suffering, axiological values, and moral reasons. - Discussing the concept of rights in relation to vital interests and suffering. Please note that the timestamps provided link to the specific sections of the video for reference.

[@haraka8123]

I respect the confidence of the brothers. They know they are in the right and they aren't afraid to make it crystal clear that they're not here to be lectured with no evidence.

[@syedbaqir2687]

Alhamdulilah to be shia muslim as Prophet advised sahabas at ghadeer and hadith of Saqalain that Quran goes hand in hand with ahlul bayt. In order to understand Quran we need ahlul bayt. Unfortunately many hypocrits hidden as sahabas tried to stopped them with their cruelty and brutality.

[@haraka8123]

@@syedbaqir2687 Quran says to follow muhajireen and Ansar. Who are the muhajireen? You cannot find Shi'ism in the quran. But you can find the way of ahl al sunna wal jamaa

[@fomfom8430]

@@syedbaqir2687 No. In order to understand Qur'an you need Arabic.

[@Hitchens-k9s]

@@fomfom843090% of non Arab Muslims themselves don’t understand Arabic…haha

[@MuhammadVilchez]

Now I’ve seen it all… moderators interrupting a debate to then interject their own views and opinions instead of letting the panelists argue their points🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Mid_copper23]

Right? I was like what the hell . Why is he interfering and interjecting and saying “I think” 😅what a weird way to moderate

[@mitefum6310]

Its literally a discussion and not a debate. I think the moderator mentioned that at the start itself.

[@MuhammadVilchez]

@@mitefum6310 Yes, a discussion between the panelists, not between the panelists and the moderators.

[@ahmedhassendhooma7281]

Really strange behavior from the moderators. Especially the Muslim brother who accused them of having egos

[@uktgujhgvukhyjbj3619]

i think they was frustrated that they organised a debate agaisnt the muslim brothers and did bring the best of the best and still the brothers handled that very easly, they made a trap that didnt work at all 😂

[@randomimmigrant348]

As a South African, I am totally and embarrassed at the way this event was organized. 1. The chair couldn't even string one sentence together without saying ermm and uhmm. Total lack of preparation from his side. 2. The chair had zero enthusiasm and acted like he was forced to be there. 3. The Indian uncle at the end showed very poor character under the guise of humanity. Not allowing the guests to continue because the security guards want to lock up is either poor planning/logistics or total disregard and disrespect for the esteemed guests flown in from very far. What is the use of flying in world-renowned guests and panelists if you are going to totally unprepared and showing such poor attitude? If it was your first time hosting such events, should have asked for advice from people who are capable of handling such events.

[@benng8730]

this need to be emphasized. That is what i have observed all this while. Tbh i need we need another moderator to conduct this debate.

[@HajiCrazy]

Yeah, agreed, very bad organized

[@alwayskeepscrolling]

I become muslim and I started reading Bhagvat Gita and now I am a hard-core muslim.

[@MrAas41]

You had me for a second there

[@Footy5sPOV]

the gita is actually disgusting to read

[@harryd8010]

I was atheist. Saw many Christian and Muslim debates and I am now A HARDCORE ATHEIST 😂

[@wastedk2994]

​@@harryd8010you're well hard aren't you 🤡🤡

[@myinstgiscarbenuim1693]

​@@harryd8010harry we all saw your irrational and ad ridicule comments, nothing not expected buddy

[@YTTamago]

Man I like hijabs approach we don't need anymore apologetic approaches to defend what's right

[@YTTamago]

Also the panel people are literally babies

[@AJ-xi1xf]

Spot on this is exactly why they can't handle him. The Western intellectuals have been acting arrogantly and unchallenged for far too long things are about to change.

[@michaelmike8216]

Christian are wiping Muslim all through out

[@matsaja9649]

Berani kerana benar,takut kerana salah

[@ghosting1632]

Wow, the chair and board were so patronising in their approach ! Just as the debate was improving they cut off Tzortzis and Hijab

[@Namqula]

Bunch of clowns.

[@ridwanmaruf1374]

Muhammad Hijab is very talented! Subhanallah, Alhamdulillah, Allah has blessed him with a remarkably retentive memory. I've watched many of his debates, and most of the time, he speaks without referring to a paper or any device. What a blessing to the ummah! I have a question, MH. How do you remember so much accurately while speaking quickly and articulately?

[@My.digital.diary.]

The moderators were quite unfair but Muhammad hijab still came on top !!! Well done!!!!!

[@mohammadshahanshahakbar874]

Wallahi such academic discussion creates an awe among non-Muslims or nonbelievers and elevates Islam and its intellectual discourse and love for the deen. We need more such initiatives.

[@jona7200]

The panel guys said “uh ehm eh” 50% of the time. Thanks to Hijab for shutting him down.

[@ORAESF90]

Yall don't get Hijab 😅 he cares about you that much to get that passionate or hype in today's terms.. much love and appreciation for a such a rich conversation.

[@samholly1172]

Moderators should absolutely be embarrassed of themselves. I have watched 1000 of debates and never once did I see a moderator do this. Good job by Hamza and Hijab they still managed to win with an extremely unfair moderators trying to tilt the edge to the opposition.

[@abuhuraira1]

They're unqualified in every aspect possible.. No good philosophy, no good moderation, not even making adequate time for a debate. Who organises a debate where after exactly 2 hours everybody is kicked out of the room?! Also the chair guy is so slow, he says like 1 word per minute.

[@cinder1667]

@@abuhuraira1I think, I think, I think, I think that, I think 😂😂😂

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

@@abuhuraira1 That's what happens when you do a debate in a colonialist country. That's right, south Africa still belongs to the European satans. Why are they still running the show in Africa? Where is the Africans?!! Why aren't those white elitists deported back to Europe where they belong?!!

[@syedbaqir2687]

Alhamdulilah to be shia muslim as Prophet advised sahabas at ghadeer and hadith of Saqalain that Quran goes hand in hand with ahlul bayt. In order to understand Quran we need ahlul bayt. Unfortunately many hypocrits hidden as sahabas tried to stopped them with their cruelty and brutality..

[@ryxe1211]

@@syedbaqir2687 how much istikharah have you done to ask Allah SWT about if shia or sunnah wal jamaah is the truth?

[@winkfish]

Alhamdulillah for the blessing of islam. The amount of people reverting is heartwarming ❤

[@mohammedvawda3928]

Dont waste another moment then. Declare your faith and step into the best of your life

[@moslemabdooullah7901]

Islam is the ultimate truth, God is verily truth, nothing else can explain our existence

[@DawahDigital]

If it’s the calling you feel, then accept you must.

[@mubasshirmohiuddin3295]

Inshaallah soon May Allah bless you and give hidayat

[@MEZameerKhan]

brother get started.... towards the ultimate truth..... never miss the chance thanks

[@OneCash]

Brother Mohammed... I literally paused and got angry at how they tried to "calm you down", as if you're being irrational. Then you defended yourself better than I ever could and I applauded. JazakAllah for your strong stance, Muslims should watch and learn. Don't let them get away when they have no answers!

[@nprpps]

Same i was so frustrated these “ chair men “ are the most annoying creatures on earth

[@MuhammadAhmedMuddie]

I was especially pissed off at the aged bald guy... Both are the Worse chair persons ever!

[@kuraikenshi2349]

He needs to have manners. Sorry you take offense to that.

[@zaeemtahir3132]

@@kuraikenshi2349 So you saying he need to change his personality for what reason and what manners ?

[@mujahidhasan118]

1. presentation/introduction panel peoples were very unprofessional shuttering and lacking and interrupt in very important moment 2x. 2. mark oppenheimer start to gives examples from the Quran about morality Which they don't know what they are talking about, they don't even study the Classic Arabic so they don't know classic Arabic. all of this things the mark has been mentioned or talk about from the Quran about morality those things has been dealt with so many time and answered, some claims he made are not from the Quran, some of them are just blunt lies that has been made up by islamophobs long long time ago. it just shows his (mark) lack of research about this topic before came into panel. 3. after that Muhammad Hijab got angry. he never should get angry or triggered by this people also I want to say to Mark that he never should talk about those things he doesn't know/researched completely or fully about those topic. 4. I also believe Hamza also get trigger or angry after mark speech. and later Hamza and Hijab made little bit of fun or bully the Atheist panel. which I don't support also I don't support mark it just shows his lack of research about this topic before came into panel. 5. this discussion was not about morality it was about the existence of god true or false. 6. my discussion rating over all 7.5/10 it was mess

[@maira.akhtar]

May Allah preserve you, proud of Muhammad Hijab Masha Allah :D

[@Lalo-Salamanca.]

The point we should all learn from Hijab is : Never let anyone intimidate you no matter what or where ‼️

[@syedbaqir2687]

Alhamdulilah to be shia muslim as Prophet advised sahabas at ghadeer and hadith of Saqalain that Quran goes hand in hand with ahlul bayt. In order to understand Quran we need ahlul bayt. Unfortunately many hypocrits hidden as sahabas tried to stopped them with their cruelty and brutality.

[@ayanahmed2346]

Please my brother, do not backbite about the sahabas when you were not called to do it. @@syedbaqir2687

[@wangeomatic]

@@syedbaqir2687 liar, Allah made al-Quran to be understand for everyone. lying p o s

[@Mohamed_lemin_alyaqoubi]

​@@syedbaqir2687no room for shia stuff.

[@syedbaqir2687]

@@Mohamed_lemin_alyaqoubi Why are you scared. You people always used to say dont debate with shias LMAO HAHAHA because everything will break down. Do you want to talk? I *CHALLANGE* you bring me ONE hadith about abu bakr caliphate. There is *NONE* . I have several for Imam Ali (AS)

[@ademvoinov2906]

We were robbed of a great conversation because the panel wanted to babysit, and the athiests couldn't handle the emotions. This is disappointing!

[@firstnamesurname1299]

The rationalists merely wanted the cultists to act like adults, cultists always get angry and emotional. Weirs.

[@rogdarorfod]

Inferiority complex

[@evillogic6805]

learn how to type atheists before you can even speak i.d.i.o.t

[@mohamudahmed6554]

Hamza was being appropriate all the time while making his case, Hijab should have definitely calmed down and argued in a better manner while being firm. Having better manners than the Kuffar is definitely a must. With that being said, it doesn't change the validity of the arguments at all which is pretty obvious.

[@celestialsatheist1535]

Great. Now watch me DESTROY Islam the Quran is the word of Allah isn't it ? meaning the Quran is the word of Allah isn't it ? meaning the Quran is the words of the creator of the universe an all powerful being. So that means the Quran can't have any errors if it does it can't be the word of the creator. Even the Quran acknowledges this (quran:4:82) . Even if the Quran has one error one single error someone can easily discard it as a false religion. That was the premise And here's the error We created the heavens and the earth and all between them in Six Days, nor did any sense of weariness touch Us Quran 50:38 The Qur'an presents the prevailing Middle-Eastern myth that the Earth and heavens were formed in six days. This is in sharp contrast with the findings of modern cosmology which show the Earth to have formed some 9 billion years after the beginning of the universe and still developing. Now an average response to this would be utilising the vague Nature of the Qur'an and state that ' here day simply means uncertain time period not 24 Hours days ' . Well this response can be refused easily by the hadith literature. Here is a sahih hadith Abu Haraira reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) took hold of my hands and said: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and He caused the animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam (peace be upon him) after 'Asr on Friday;the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, i. e. between afternoon and night. Sahih Muslim 39:6707 This sahih Muslim hadith is a death knell for anyone who is trying to interpret the days of creation as uncertain time periods . And there are dozens of such hadiths !. Including sound traditions by al tabari that records Muhammad himself and his companion interpreting the days as literally days. But I think one should suffice. So since the Qur'an contains a gross and unacceptable scientific error our premise leads us to the conclusion that Islam is false. Do you see people it's that easy. Now come on pack it up and find something else to do with your life !.

[@XDATU]

I am a Muslim and today I'm also a muslim ☪️😊

[@FahadAli-ic5oc]

😂

[@mubiltelefunskytelefon]

Alhamdulilah

[@kadysangare8843]

Alhadulillah 😂😂

[@asimhd1990]

😃

[@awakenedservant]

Lmao Alhamdullilah aki 😂😅❤

[@Profile_2222]

This is actually better than a Champions League final

[@Saddamkhan-qp8gz]

WHEN IT COMES TO ARGUE AS A UNMATCHED ORATOR, No ONE COULD BEAT Sheikh MUHAMMAD HIJAB 😍

[@ryojs4286]

Hes not a sheikh as far as Ik In sha Allah he will be Dont give titles others dont have

[@kuraikenshi2349]

He's an arrogant @$$hole. You dont debate these people, you ignore them

[@iamyourbrook4281]

*What is meant by heaven and hell?* Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allah have mercy on him) said: As a matter of fact, Paradise is not a word that refers only to trees, fruits, food, drink, hoor al-‘een, rivers and palaces.👉 *Most people are mistaken when they think that Paradise is limited to that, for Paradise is a name for the abode of perfect and absolute bliss, and one of the greatest joys of Paradise will be the pleasure of gazing upon the noble Countenance of Allah and hearing His words, and the delight of being close to Him and attaining His pleasure. There can be no comparison between the physical pleasures in Paradise - such as food, drink, clothing and images - and that pleasure.Attaining the least divine pleasure is greater than Paradise and all that it contains,* as Allah, may He be exalted, says 👉 (interpretation of the meaning): *“But the good pleasure of Allah is greater still” [at-Tawbah 9:72].* In other words, no matter the extent to which Allah is pleased with His slave, even if it is small, *it is still greater than Paradise.* In the *saheeh hadith* about seeing Allah, it says: *“… and Allah will not give them anything that is dearer to them than gazing upon His Countenance.”* According to another hadith: “When He, may He be glorified, manifests Himself to them and they see His Countenance with their own eyes, *they will forget all the bliss that they had been enjoying,* and will become oblivious to that joy and will pay no attention to it.” Undoubtedly, this is how it is, And the matter is much greater than one could think or imagine, especially when the lovers there find themselves with the one whom they love, for a person will be with the one whom he loves. What bliss, delight, joy or triumph could come close to the joy, pleasure and tranquillity of being with Allah? Is there anything superior to the pleasure and joy of being close to the Beloved, for there is nothing greater than Him, or more perfect, or more beautiful, and nothing could give greater comfort and happiness? This - by Allah - is the type of knowledge that the lovers are striving hard to attain, and is the banner around which all those who have knowledge of Allah rally. It is the most important thing in Paradise, through which Paradise becomes a place of joy, and the life of Paradise is based on that. So how can it be said that one should not worship Allah for the sake of attaining Paradise or for fear of Hell? 👉 *Similarly, Hell* - may Allah protect us from it - is a place where its dwellers will suffer a great deal when they are partitioned away from Allah and suffer disgrace, divine wrath and anger, and being far away from Him. That will be worse than the flames of fire in their bodies and souls. In fact, the flames of this fire in their hearts is what led to the flames burning their bodies, for those flames spread everywhere in their bodies from their hearts. The aspiration of the Prophets and Messengers, the siddeeqs (the strong and true in faith), the martyrs and the righteous is Paradise, and what they seek to flee from is Hell. And Allah is the source of strength, and in Him we put our trust. There is no power and no strength except with Allah; Allah is sufficient for us, and He is the best disposer of affairs. {Madaarij as-Saalikeen (2/80, 81)}

[@Saddamkhan-qp8gz]

@@ryojs4286 a sheikh is one who has considerable academic status that he has 😍

[@eafesaf6934]

​@@Saddamkhan-qp8gz can someone confirm what this guy has said as truth?

[@assabr8773]

I cannot stop learning with these two marvelous brothers ☺️ Mohammed, flamboyant, witty and eloquent as usual. My special credits go to Hamza, his presentation was OUTSTANDING! His book "The Divine Reality" should be read by all and be presented to all mosques and islamic centers.

[@vision4075]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKK9anZmbsSNgqs

[@Harris19941]

he did bring a somewhat new argument which i didnt come across in his book so i m curious to learn more about that

[@hassan230688]

Hijab was smirking at the start and then got angry. 😂 He can never do wrong in my eyes. He is such a credit to the ummah. Allah Hu Akbar.

[@shahid8545]

Never

[@PanjsheriiGak]

im watching for his reactions lool >.

[@thewesternworld9695]

Wrong or good is basically on people's feelings nothing else

[@Hitchens-k9s]

@@thewesternworld9695wrong or right depends upon harm or happiness…and it is decided by human beings and not any imaginary god…

[@thewesternworld9695]

@@Hitchens-k9s feelings dictate everything people's lives nothing but harmful or good behaviour don't exist in humanity lifetime

[@VivianCoetzer]

Wow y'all were in south Africa, love from south Africa, proudly muslim 🌱 insha'Allah moving to Albania soon

[@theislamicfirewall7473]

The moderators were way too biased in this debate .. Props to Hamaz and Muhammad Hijab for not letting them push them around

[@Theo-fc7et]

I hold three degrees, including a doctorate. I anticipated that a panel moderated by philosophy educators might be tumultuous, as many in this field are deeply passionate about their own ideas, which can lead to conflicts of ego. The individual on the left (atheist) who made remarks about Muslims seemed to be seeking an emotional response, either from the audience or fellow panelists. I’ve observed Hijab’s previous debates, and his passion has always been evident; expecting otherwise is naive. Moreover, the moderator's laughing reaction to a panelist speaking in Arabic was notably unprofessional, reinforcing Hamzah's earlier concerns about the event. I also sense that the moderators might have felt they could outperform the panelists, which could explain the event’s inception off-camera and its conclusion. In the future, it would be wise to engage unbiased event coordinators. Also, I'm puzzled as to why the elderly Indian gentleman criticized the panelist for time allocation, especially when it's primarily the moderators' responsibility to oversee time management. This doesn't appear very professional. I’m not sure what the moderators thought they were there for.

[@RidwanAlQudbi]

Wise and learned person

[@techwanderer7127]

The panelists wanted more attention.

[@Sum3a_ish]

Honestly. IMO this could have been so much better

[@hamza_ME_]

True

[@nizalnm]

although i technically agree that the moderator is within his rights to allow time extension for the panelists to discuss among themselves even into time allocated for public Q&A, in spirit i think it is still more wise and gentlemanly for them to respect the time, because the public doesn't have as much luxury to pose their own questions to the panelists due to logistical limitations - this might be the only opportunity for them to do so, whereas the panelists are more likely able to continue their high level discussions among themselves during their own private free time after the session.

[@George-o6u9m]

I’m not a theist but I can’t help bring up the hypocrisy of Mark Oppenheimers proposals. First of all, at 44:48 he brings up Immanuel Kants categorical imperative, and he asks us to imagine a world where everyone lied to trick people into giving them money. From the chaos that would ensue from everyone in the world lying to trick people into giving them money, we can deduct that the individual act of lying to trick someone into giving you money is wrong, or immoral. Fine, suppose we agree with this tool, but notice the hypocrisy when he proceeds to discuss utilitarian frameworks and the harm principle. At 56:32 Mark mentions the idea that since homosexual actions don’t create suffering, nor do they violate anyone’s rights, they shouldn’t be forbidden. What happened to the application of Kant’s categorical imperative? What chaos would ensue if everyone was homosexual? This is especially problematic since atheists primarily argue that the continuation of the human species is 1. Why we are here through the process of evolution, and 2. The primary purpose of human life. If an action threatens the continuation of the human species, how can one not consider this the ultimate suffering? This is again highlighting the hypocrisy in the proposals made and the inability to specify what is and isn’t suffering

[@griefwnl7641]

Good point, thanks for identifying that.

[@lilyusi]

Fantastic comment

[@easyonlineseller]

They are pretty contradictory of their own agenda

[@Patri_ck_Clips]

One could argue that insemination would ensure the continuation of the human species. In other words: The progress of our time, our technological development has made it possible for us to abstain from procreation through coition.

[@Cyrax-rn1iy]

Great catch

[@guletizmail8349]

Alhamdulilah I'm muslim ☪️ ❤️

[@MarcusN-kp1jn]

Nobody cares.

[@Servent_of_Allah_Uz]

​@@MarcusN-kp1jn then why are you here lol😂

[@historian3290]

Wow. What was wrong with the “moderators”.. Absolutely abysmal. Blaming the panelist’s because they couldn’t get the debate in order (Which was their job) 😂 What a bunch of numpties. Some of the SA people seemed too passive as well. If I were MH or Hamza I would think twice before visiting SA again. The Atheist was making claims and when countered by MH started playing the victim. He didn’t swear, he didn’t use violence. He was only speaking passionately. You don’t have to be a robot during a discussion. It actually made the conversation more interesting. Keep it up Muhammad. 👍

[@anwarsalie9687]

My brother, I agree with you, but why paint all South Africans with the same brush in saying that MH & HT must think twice of come to SA again. Have you ever been to my country to make a statement like this? Don't be stupid, or do you also think that lions and buffalo's walk in the streets here.

[@DJsaima]

Spot on 👍🏿

[@ahyaan2552]

@zeenijtlol

[@luciusc.k5173]

This was disastrous! Kudos to MH and HT for being firm with them. This is what the Ummah needs, unapologetic and stern. May Allah (swt) bless and preserve both brothers!

[@pessimistkai5569]

yes

[@abunusaybah1058]

Not really, it was supposed to be a discussion not a slanging match.. It was like speakers corner style of debating. This is meant as a constructive criticism, so that we learn and rectify, but if we keep saying "well done" "well done" for something that was not well done then we are causing our brothers to be 'lead down the garden path'.

[@luciusc.k5173]

@@abunusaybah1058 I think both MH and HT handled themselves well giving the situation. Maybe you're conflating confidence and passion with "slanging match". A debate is a debate, whether you think it's speakers corner style or not (subjective). Everyone has their style, and they knew that going in. Perhaps you want them to be more apologetic? Why should they? Both gentlemen did not present any good argument and where dismissive in answering questions. On the other hand MH and HT gave them educative answers to their questions. Not to mention the behaviour and interruption from the hosts/panel and the sheer entitlement they had, just distasteful.

[@drive-2786]

@@luciusc.k5173 he wants to bend over , an us hold his hand while the chair clapping

[@aaishahlombard8881]

Except for the fundamental issue that it was not a debate but a panel discussion as the invite clearly stated. Since it was a discussion the panel followed the format of one which explains the inclusion of the moderator and other Scholars

[@ramindurrani1295]

The hosts were unprofessional and influent in their language taking more time than giving their points. Moreover, I felt like MH and HT were not only being attacked by two atheists but the moderator and organisers too while they were trying to spread their point across the room. May Allah reward you brothers

[@shoaibakhtar6088]

Hijab reminded me of Sarah Maidah 54 O believers! Whoever among you abandons their faith, Allah will replace them with others who love Him and are loved by Him. They will be humble with the believers but firm towards the disbelievers, struggling in the Way of Allah; fearing no blame from anyone. This is the favour of Allah. He grants it to whoever He wills. And Allah is All-Bountiful, All-Knowing.

[@joiko1]

Wow, as a South African, very disappointed with the conduct of the host panel. We should not treat guests with that level of disrespect. Apologies Hamza & Hijab. Durban & Cape Town will definitely show you more class!

[@drdhakan87]

Kick those idiots out Wasted so much time

[@ArseneLupin786]

Yeah I was surprised that these South Africans conducted like that. Usually the SA folks are the opposite

[@drdhakan87]

@@ArseneLupin786 they've forgotten their past a little too soon

[@nak.lanang]

@@ArseneLupin786 are SA very leftist??

[@ArabianMemelord]

Yeah unfortunately the moderators made the debate almost unwatchable.

[@jagoman85]

"The Divine Reality" is a great book by Hamza. Covers Atheism very well indeed. Learnt a lot!

[@Harris19941]

is there much difference between the first version and the revised edition? because i only have the initial version now

[@afzalhossain1429]

Indians need this book in hindi

[@Badri31333]

Ive been getting them from Amazon and distributing it amongst colleagues. Perfect way to introduce them to Islam

[@DD-ln5no]

Honestly, I enjoyed this debate. I thought it was very weak of the atheists to try to tell you that you were being aggressive. The same could be said about the long haired atheist who said "you're still interrupting me" to Hamza when Hamza was saying "please, please" when trying to give him the floor to speak. Furthermore, the chair people were clearly biased. They only interrupted one side every single time. Hijab and Hamza were outstanding. MA shaa Allah

[@bobbyd6040]

Emasculated men always resort to passive aggressive gestures. That's why the long hair man sat quiet after hijab told him off

[@muhammadkhurramiqbal]

​@@bobbyd6040difficult english

[@bobbyd6040]

@@muhammadkhurramiqbal white men are niswan. "Don't be too aggressive 😢"

[@DrWoofOfficial]

@@bobbyd6040not funny and I’m not white

[@bobbyd6040]

@@DrWoofOfficial who's talking to you?

[@mrhussain386]

The ‘chair’ cant even say a sentence without stuttering HARD lmao

[@floki5182]

Lmao Brother Hijab was frustrated and fully annoyed at the end 😂 the irony is these athiests were complaining about how brother hijab and Hamza were interrupting them but they kept on doing the same thing throughout when both the brothers stopped interrupting. Moreover, the chair and the questioners were also interrupting brother hijab and Hamza again and again. This was a rather mismanaged and frustrating discussion or debate tbh.

[@mujahidhasan118]

1. presentation/introduction panel peoples were very unprofessional shuttering and lacking and interrupt in very important moment 2x. 2. mark oppenheimer start to gives examples from the Quran about morality Which they don't know what they are talking about, they don't even study the Classic Arabic so they don't know classic Arabic. all of this things the mark has been mentioned or talk about from the Quran about morality those things has been dealt with so many time and answered, some claims he made are not from the Quran, some of them are just blunt lies that has been made up by islamophobs long long time ago. it just shows his (mark) lack of research about this topic before came into panel. 3. after that Muhammad Hijab got angry. he never should get angry or triggered by this people also I want to say to Mark that he never should talk about those things he doesn't know/researched completely or fully about those topic. 4. I also believe Hamza also get trigger or angry after mark speech. and later Hamza and Hijab made little bit of fun or bully the Atheist panel. which I don't support also I don't support mark it just shows his lack of research about this topic before came into panel. 5. this discussion was not about morality it was about the existence of god true or false. 6. my discussion rating over all 7.5/10 and your completely right it was a mess

[@snakejuce]

That moderator was mad annoying

[@Azhar2612]

​@@inclinedtheta810india

[@nasiruyusuf8782]

Mujahid it's important that you be aggressive sometimes

[@khairiaris]

​@@inclinedtheta810 global call centre Scam Capital.. I DIA!

[@aho2390]

I was born Muslim and now I am a Muslim Alhamdulillah :)

[@mohammedkhan1038]

Say "I was a Muslim by chance, now I am a Muslim by choice.

[@michaelmike8216]

@@mohammedkhan1038 ....why follow Mohammed...he was poisoned like dog and died in pain..and his false god did not help him

[@Cheximus]

No one is born Muslim. Your parents force-fed you their fairy-tale beliefs.

[@Hitchens-k9s]

@@mohammedkhan10387 out of 10 new converts leave Islam within the first year as per PEW research centre

[@ارحم-علی]

I understand English, but the vocabulary used in this video compelled me to open a dictionary on the other side of the screen. Love you Hijab brother May Allah give you more strength Ameen.

[@محمودعلي-ط6د9ق]

I do have the same issue, but what do u do if u can’t spell the word u just heard?

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

@@محمودعلي-ط6د9ق You will. If you want to, you would learn to. I think it is absolutely embarrassing for us Christians to not know our text in the original languages of our books, as Muslims do the Quran

[@محمودعلي-ط6د9ق]

@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy what?!!!

[@EasternRomeOrthodoxy]

@@محمودعلي-ط6د9ق Can u read? Obviously not lol🤦‍♂️

[@EC__MohammadArshad]

​@@EasternRomeOrthodoxybro you have used wrong grammer 😅

[@ayesha3303]

The so called "academic" in Blue doesn't even know what is in the hearts of the 4 debaters yet he came to such a conclusion 😮

[@mianatwood]

Love how the Muslims have put the atheists on the back foot so the atheists have to use the emotional card 😂🫢

[@ashrafsh3467]

Fantastic

[@VandalIO]

And emotions are just electron whizzing around in their atheistic naturalistic paradigm …

[@Hitchens-k9s]

@@VandalIOtrue,do you like the emotions shown by Sweden, Norway,Denmark or Poland,they too are emotional people

[@yamisukehiro2696]

The way you’re speaking is hurting my feelings :( Hamza; with all due respect, that’s irrelevant 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@VandalIO]

@@Hitchens-k9s 😂

[@chaotixsniper]

Hijab and Hamza debating these two atheists is like Messi and Ronaldo playing football against two kids . Brother Hijab and Brother Hamza are way more experienced and competent academically and intellectually in this topic.😅

[@MmM-iz5by]

Well summed up ! And the panel of “academics” were amateurish and their lack of experience was very noticeable amongst academic giants and debaters like hamza and hijab - they lacked authority The moderator was annoying and wasted valuable time with his ummimg “ Oppenheimer was literally speechless The other guy was a waffler true to his profession MashaAllah- brothers from UK you made us proud AllahuAkbar

[@JoosySmooyay]

My favourite part of this entire discussion was the grown man letting the room know how “uncomfortable” he felt when someone spoke passionately. I can’t watch a white man play the victim card, especially a white man in South Africa 🤣🤣

[@TmanRock9]

It sounds like you might be a racist. perhaps that’s something you can work on?

[@zak87]

I know, so embarrassed for him

[@Akhimed]

They have no masculinity, they just like for themselves to attack Islam, then expect us to baby talk him

[@ahmedyusuf3396]

That was a debate tactic, to make him look "barbaric and uncivilized". Dirty tricks

[@Hitchens-k9s]

Bhai why do Muslims feel uncomfortable when Europeans show their passion

[@mtmurray2330]

I always imagined what it was like to sit amongst the philosophers and just listen, I honestly felt like I watched the modern version, just annoying that the chairs had to keep interrupting, this conversation should be untimed .

[@----f]

Yeah, it was disastrous. Should've been a discussion with no timed segments

[@mme6847]

I actually enjoyed your 'shouting'. It wasn't bothering at all. You just speak that way, it's the passion that shows. It didn't come from a disrespectfull place. I fell asleep of the boring speaking tone untill you woke me up totally getting me interested in the talkshow again. You have a passion and a talent and you're using it for the sake of Allah. May Allah increase you in knowledge and wisdom.

[@nayastah1439]

White colonialists have done FAR worse!

[@Luffy.]

exactly. The way Hijab talks makes u want to listen. Its probably exactly what he wants. For us to listen. Plus, it just also shows his passion for Islam.

[@mme6847]

@@Luffy. Exactly. And he was asking very good and simple questions to the opposite party during that part. The fact the atheist started crawling into the victim position and requested a reset to change subject just shows how weak they were feeling about their own point of view. It's typically western style. As soon as you start feeling the heat, just act as a victim and try to distract and discourse the viewers to prevent the fall you're facing. Mohammed hijab left their silence to be echoed in everyones mind.

[@Hitchens-k9s]

@@mme6847bhai western people have sophisticated values,you are a desert cultured people who are used to bullying and talking loudly…this is not sophistication bhai…

[@williamtoetoe2794]

When was the last time you ate cow dung and shit on the railway?

[@dr_captain5093]

I love the way Mohammed Hijab handled these disgusting unqualified hosts.

[@umarr6221]

They were unqualified and a bit slow but no need to insult my bro

[@ahmadqazi2648]

​@crusader7356Interrupting and injecting when they were on the ropes...

[@icelolly4277]

You have more qualifications than them do you?

[@ahmadqazi2648]

@crusader7356 I'm speaking about the hosts only. The hosts seemed to be Muslims but injecting at a crucial point is a sleazy tactic... Also, Hijab was loud but not irrational. He made a point and the opponents kept misrepresenting them... He simply asked about their "OBJECTIVE" moral arguments to be proven on the basis of philosophy but they kept ignoring the question... In a debate you have to press them if they keep constantly doing it. When they were pressed about it, the hosts helped them out... Imagine you are debating someone that 1+1 is 2 and the opponent starts talking about giraffes long necks when they realise they are losing the debate and the host interrupts you when you press your point that 1+1 is 2...

[@ahmadqazi2648]

@crusader7356 Nope. They misrepresented the arguments in the first place which they even acknowledged... I would like to give the atheist the benefit of doubt that maybe they did not truly understand the philosophical question about objective morality... To their credit they tried to answer it later near the end that we learn morality via suffering to which Hijab replied that not all suffering is bad... Regardless, the point is that atheists can never believe in an objective morality because then philosophically they have to accept that there is a GOD... Atheists can only believe in Subjective Morality to which Hijab can easily say that if according to atheists, morality is subjective then Muslims are also right to have their own morality based on a book... This is a big loophole in atheism that they cannot prove objective morality without accepting the existence of a higher necessary being (GOD) no matter how hard they try.... That's the whole point

[@obaid1333]

I did enjoy the debate, But The organisers are being absolutely ridiculous. May Allah swt bless my brother M Hijab and brother Hamza. Much love from Australia.

[@elmiaffasse4166]

I know each and everytime when the brothers had them against the ropes they were helping them

[@zafariqbal-il7uo]

What i perceive is that the problem of evil couldn't be answered satisfactorily.

[@aneesseedat6332]

In South Africa our academics have this sense of superiority. They are academics for titles and praises. They have done a disservice to the the debate. Well done Mohammed Hijab and Hamza.

[@syedbaqir2687]

Alhamdulilah to be shia muslim as Prophet advised sahabas at ghadeer and hadith of Saqalain that Quran goes hand in hand with ahlul bayt. In order to understand Quran we need ahlul bayt. Unfortunately many hypocrits hidden as sahabas tried to stopped them with their cruelty and brutality.

[@fomfom8430]

@@syedbaqir2687 No. In order to understand Qur'an you need Arabic.

[@aneesseedat6332]

@@syedbaqir2687 I don't see how your comment is relevant to what I said. Please remove your shia comment.

[@syedbaqir2687]

@@aneesseedat6332 Shameful that people like you call yourself follower of Prophet while have no tolerance when someone brings name of Hazrat Imam Ali (AS) first imam

[@naathnaath6377]

​@@syedbaqir2687 I've never seen a Shia debating a Christian Jew Athiest. WHY...

[@HG19858]

Hijab's disdain for atheism is so clearly manifest on his face and his reactions... and I LOVE it!!

[@iwillsmeshurboyAL]

These university organisers had a chip on their shoulders for some reason and it was really annoying. I have rarely seen a debate where the chair keeps interrupting so frequently. But I am really proud of brother Hamza and Muhammad for standing up to the bullying - there's lessons to be learned here in standing up for yourself.

[@amuthi1]

Maybe Hijab should nott resort to his big-ape-behaviour?

[@anathimatandela1195]

Lol true, its the need to appeal to authority

[@aktayakhkobek4778]

I loved how Hamza at the end just mopped the floor with them XD

[@othmanbajunaid9762]

@@Edward-bm7vw u sure u watched the same video? This is Mohammed hijab Islam vs atheism. r u talking about this video?

[@Edward-bm7vw]

@@othmanbajunaid9762 Yes and Hijab tried to waffle and boast and committed so many ridiculous fallacies. He even tried to bring race into the debate. What a pathetic tool

[@taharehmanofficial]

The organizers were either stupid or ignorant. First of all, the chair or moderator was not fit for his job. Secondly, once you said it’s not a debate but rather a discussion, it shouldn’t have been time bound. It was extremely weird and disrespectful for the panelists or guests to have so many distractions throughout the session by the hosts themselves.

[@----f]

Facts, it was disastrous

[@cap7724]

The host's inclusion in debate was by far the biggest negative, led to disorder and hurt egos. On the argumentation, atheists were unimpressive and did not convey a single compelling argument against Islam. It became apparent very quickly that they were constantly on the back foot and underestimated the Islamic position. mA well done to HT and MH for your efforts in articulating the Islamic view so eloquently and with knowledge. MH did the right thing, not lending validity to any of the nonsense oldschool arguments brought by one opposition.

[@eggstravagent3801]

I was kind of confused, maybe because the vocabulary used was so vast. But I suppose both sides did well.

[@eggstravagent3801]

@teaspoon7 lol yeah, the only issue is that MH and HZ kept on interuppting the atheists, they really could only barely get their points across. I wish instead they would have brought on, Dr. Ali Ataie, who in my opinion and knowledge is one of the best educated muslims teachers on such stuff.

[@hamizali7780]

@@eggstravagent3801imo the Atheist that was making stuff up about burning people alive didn’t present a good argument. I did however think the novel (to me) syllogism by the second Atheist was good - but it didn’t hold weight since the premise assumed needed evil as a real and distinct epistemological ‘thing’. So MH shot it down quickly - which he could’ve spent more time elucidating in his open but I’m glad they at least did circle back and close the loop in the very end and even referenced some reading medieval material that apparently deals with it. Hopefully in a future debate there’s some Atheist representation w/ a more diverse academic background that includes Islamic philosophical works on these topics. As of now, it really seems that only the Muslim academics in these debates have extensive knowledge of both traditional Islamic material and our Western / German philosophical tradition.

[@saeedabdullah9300]

@@hamizali7780 Most of the western academia are stuck in post enlightenment era when it comes to these topics. They simply shoot down the ontological argument and present the problem of evil and Voila, I have defeated all religions! They literally believe we Muslims especially only have Moral theory and argument to prove Allah! Bro this the least important argument used by Muslim Theologians such as Ghazali, Razi, Ibn Sina etc. The whole moral argument is simply unnecessary and emotional and only comes forth from people from Christian backgrounds…. Give me a definition of Evil first then we can discuss. You will eventually prove that evil = harm which is sometimes necessary and beneficial for oneself or others which means zilch.

[@dadush4]

​@@eggstravagent3801the atheist to the right brought up some amazing arguments that muslims have already clarified but are unknown to most people. I dont blame him for bringing up those topics, it s really well thought of him and quite honest and only someone who studied theological islam can know that stuff. He gave MH and HT a good opportunity to exhibit the key foundations of islamic intelligence. You can only show how great islam is by the greatness of the enemies. The other atheist to the left that went quiet realized he made a mistake going into an a priori liberal mindset thinking people would automatically agree with him. It s quite arrogant to do so and I think it s best he stopped talking, though it s a shame because he has a lot to say still.