Islam's Greatest Debates: Al-Ghazali & Ibn Taymiyyah Face Off

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@naveedpasha2502 Ай бұрын

Seeing Islam through the eyes of philosophy❎ Seeing Philosophy through the eyes of Islam✅

@marzgaming7176 Ай бұрын

💯 establish your iman first, then get philosophical

@Kirk-d7v Ай бұрын

@@marzgaming7176 We need an established imam or a scholar to debate on the *God Logic* podcasts

@Solopernuer1 Ай бұрын

you dont mix islam with philosophy , islamis divine guidance , Allah perfected the deen

@Solopernuer1 Ай бұрын

you dont mix islam with philosophy , islamis divine guidance , Allah perfected the deen

@HistoryBasis 29 күн бұрын

TBH before going to philosophy, people need to be sound on the religion

@galibahmed1818 27 күн бұрын

Ibn Taymiyyah, "Yes, the Quran commands rememberence. But this should be done prescribed by the Prophet (PBUH), not through rituals that were introduced later" End of debate!

@Electroripper1 27 күн бұрын

But then imama Gazzali did clarify that he doesn't also vouch for the extremist and extremism in sufism which are out from the Shariah, rather he was making stance for what is within Shariah.

@sissitOoO 21 күн бұрын

He makes a good point but this phrase can be interpreted in so many ways that's why islam is not an intellectual prison and allows different interpretations And that's why so many people in the world practice it even tho they're completely different

@sissitOoO 21 күн бұрын

Also Ibn taymiyah contradicted himself he did "tajsim" by saying that God exist in space and have a shape Wich AbduAllah Ibn Abbas ra clarified it was not the case so Ibn taymiyah introduced a concept that was not prescripted by the Allah, the prophet not his compagnons

@Abdulhaqq7148 16 күн бұрын

Do you think imam ghazali dont know that?? This debate happen to discuss about this matter, of course..

@wiilwaalarawelo5795 12 күн бұрын

Only knuckle Heads say End of Debate in other words our way and no other way. When confronted by Knuckle Heads the best policy is to just leave them gracefully and pray for them

@M0E.O_O Ай бұрын

This is one of the best things an AI can be used for , It shows two Scholars wanting the best for Islam but have different thoughts on how to do so, I wished if our Scholars nowadays can respectfully debate with the intention of finding the truth without being closed minded. Great Work Brother ❤

@YahyaMohammed14 Ай бұрын

This shouldn't be a thing the scholars are dead

@Ahki.Asadullah Ай бұрын

Lol it's the sunni salafi athari scholars on truth and a scholar of bidah aka a sufi who would be in hellfire

@Kirk-d7v 29 күн бұрын

@@YahyaMohammed14 Dead? Why? Not the *God Logic* podcasts debates again?

@Kirk-d7v 29 күн бұрын

@@M0E.O_O Would it resolve Sunni vs Shia debating a disagreement?

@mohtashimshomu7404 Ай бұрын

Well Ghazzali (ra) and Ibn Taymiyyah(ra) both had good command over English ❤

@nitian1 Ай бұрын

but a little poor in translation it seems. 😂

@mohdrizwan1719 14 күн бұрын

@@nitian1you mean ibn taymiya?😅

@acecream1411 Ай бұрын

Two brilliant minds I lean more towards Al Ghazali‘s standpoint but can’t deny that Ibn taymiyya has some valid points which we see nowadays with all these different sects deviating from ahlus sunnah wal jamaah

@alhassanmudasiru4066 Ай бұрын

Ibn taimiyya is not judging people who are indiscipline and or innovative but seeking to criticize the mulhid sufis for directly and indirectly promiting them to the detriment and or division of islam into sects. WalLaahi listening to this debate makes me feel sufis are out there to both directly and indirectly defend and promote indiscipline, innovative acts and beliefs, and madness. If people knew who mulhid sufis are, they would have preached to them to stay away from their no-shari'a habit and heed the rebuke in Qur'aan 6:153 and 6:159. If you know the aforementioned verses and how they were interpreted and applied by the Prophet (S.A.W.), the majority of the companions, and the majority of the greatest scholars of Quruwn Al Mufaddala, you would drive any mulhid sufi away who comes to you to market his innovation.

@abdulrahmanabdulkadri4825 Ай бұрын

It would be great with more quotations from Quran and Sunnah and their individual books

@theghost7537 Ай бұрын

Brother, this video comtains a lot of good infos, don't ruin it by adding music. May Allah guide us all

@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص Ай бұрын

bn Taymiyyah's books are considered references by Muslim scholars in criticizing Christianity, Shiism, Sufism, Greek philosophy, etc. Ibn Taymiyyah was a sea of knowledge and the books he wrote constitute a very large library

@j.r.r.tolkien8724 Ай бұрын

Ar-Razi did much more than that. The amount of knowledge that Ar-Razi has produced drowns that of Ibn Taymiyyah. Same thing goes with An-Nawawi whose books are being taught to every student of knowledge to this day regardelss of creed.

@dcanebreezy5784 Ай бұрын

@@j.r.r.tolkien8724 Smelling asharite pagan plato philosophy

@cano5063 Ай бұрын

@@dcanebreezy5784 you ignorant fool to equate ashari methodology with platonian philosophy and shirk. Insulting many of our great scholars that even you pseudo salafis hold in great esteem. You have no knowledge what so ever. Go study history a bit instead reading pseudo salafi forums and copy pasting the lies that are spread there.

@skythepro1236 Ай бұрын

ironic how the ashari scholars were the ones fighting against philosophers. e.g imam ghzalis books against philosophers and mutazilites @dcanebreezy5784

@thetruth2493 Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@gardenvillas2704 23 күн бұрын

Excellent Approach🤲🏻 MaashaaAllah☝🏻 The nuances of circumstances they lived, create “the crutches” in the approach of each Maulana, but in essence they complement each-other along the indefinite Time🤔

@AshKhan-v1y Ай бұрын

UNIQUE & INVALUABLE! Thank you ❤

@mdtwfq 27 күн бұрын

Ibn Taymiyyah allrounder, may Allah grant him highest level of jannah

@altamashbaibars9477 21 күн бұрын

He was the mujadid

@dilawarjoemman5543 19 күн бұрын

you must be a wahabi.

@mdtwfq 19 күн бұрын

@@dilawarjoemman5543 Yes I'm, ex-hanafi maturidi 💣

@AbdallaAmeri 18 күн бұрын

@@dilawarjoemman5543 You do know that wahabi is basically used as a slander right? There is no real islamic sect called wahabi, nor do wahabis exist. It's all in your head.

@hatcher921 Ай бұрын

This video is showcasing an reductionist take of their views. Ibn taymiyyah was against using kalam or logic as a first principle to derive Aqidah or creed. He himself used to kalam and formal logic to refute his opponents, and his main critique of the kalamists is the fact that they use logic to derive their views on creed when the only thing to derive Creed should be the Quran and sunnah. He himself critiqued logic but considered it a tool like any other. But never to derive creed.

@akserayi Ай бұрын

True.

@M7ner08 Ай бұрын

Yes he is oversimplifying it

@Innominate74949 Ай бұрын

Except he literally did what he was against. Creation ex materia is not found within either of the two yet he held its view. Same with temporality of hellfire and perpetual creation.

@M7ner08 Ай бұрын

@@Innominate74949 temporality of hellfire is lie about him.

@Innominate74949 Ай бұрын

@@M7ner08 it isnt. Ibn Qayyim has said it about him and this was in his latter life.

@ahxd951 Ай бұрын

Wild that you called Imam Ghazali rh. just a philosopher

@cano5063 Ай бұрын

@@ahxd951 the ignorance of the internet.

@ahxd951 Ай бұрын

@@cano5063 indeed, may Allah protect us all

@cano5063 Ай бұрын

@@ahxd951 just on the side brother your profile pic is very.. let’s say unfitting. From so many possibilities it is surely not the only picture left. Don’t be offended I wish you the best.

@ahxd951 Ай бұрын

@@cano5063 I agree 😂, this was my signature from over more than 7 years ago. I usually dont comment often so I didn't mind but you are right, I will change it, Jazak Allahu Khayran ❤️

@ReachByteBurst Ай бұрын

@@ahxd951bro changed nothing 😭🙏

@arsalanshaikh3763 Ай бұрын

Very informative I really learn a ton from these beautiful discussions, thanks a lot.

@3amopr638 Ай бұрын

Barakallaho feek for this video

@hajrospio8091 27 күн бұрын

Ibn Taymiyya was truly a gigant of his time and many lies are spread about him. He fought on more sides in the way od da'wah and even on the battlefield

@latusalihyasalim4872 Ай бұрын

Al ghazali changed his mind on some issues before he died, just like Abu hassan Al-ash’Ari. that says a lot.

@abdulbasithsg Ай бұрын

Al Ghazali changed his views on philosophical matters well before his death. Then he wrote Ihya. This is mentioned in his autobiography. Al Ashari left Mutazila, formed Sunni theology school of Ashariyya and destroyed deviant schools. Whereas Ibn Taymiyyah deviated in matters of Aqida and sought forgiveness before his death (according to his student Al Dhahabi).

@latusalihyasalim4872 Ай бұрын

@@abdulbasithsg what are you talking about? Al-Ahari changed his views two times, after he left the mutazili group and after he met ibn Kulkab he also changed his views that he adopted from him, which is also the case with Aljuwayni, and some say A-Rrazi too. they might not let go of everything they used to adopt but looking at the things the say about kalam later on is very crucial. this is what happens to those who follow their minds and ignore the clear textual resources from kitab and sunnah. by the way don’t mention ibn taymiyyah, he’s a soldier of Allah who destroyed this entire sick ideology of kalam.

@TheGEOPOLITICIANGUY Ай бұрын

@@latusalihyasalim4872hes right in many ways

@shoebkhann307 Ай бұрын

@@latusalihyasalim4872😂😂ibn taymmiyah was devient ! Now cope

@latusalihyasalim4872 Ай бұрын

@@shoebkhann307 👋

@tahsinaaron5563 24 күн бұрын

A conversation that took place in other form of time… Beautifully performed by logic and anti logic. Both’s date of departure create attachment of another form of “Blackout” btw However, all together of ‘em is “splendid” and Strongly informative from a revolutionary perspective. Requesting Dr. Zakir Nayek or this generation’s best one’s to acknowledge this one please.

@fahd-khan 6 күн бұрын

Both are great scholars ... Allah have mercy on them.

@AlMujadidiaSydney Ай бұрын

The power of AI now going to assist more towards in the disunity of the Ummah.

@crazykindor6439 25 күн бұрын

I don't think so. Presenting those paradoxes can either be a call to reflection, inner medidation and deepening of iman and understanding or be a call to make war of ideas. The good believers will take the first path, while the astrayed ones will take the second. It is not due to the AI debates, but due to the lack of iman of the bad believers. That's why we must establish prayer and be constintently asking Allah 15 times a day: "Ihdinas-Siraatal-Mistaqeen". Salaam Alaikum ya habibi.

@MohamedShou Ай бұрын

I will never DISRESPECT any of the great Ulama in Islamic history especially Al Ghazali and Ibn Taymiyyah. These two had amazing minds and they delved into philosophy, even Ibn Taymiyyah loved going into philosophy from the Greeks and other Muslim philosopher works. Unlike certain followers of the Najdi Dawah sect of today and the last century that think Ibn Taymiyyah had a pre MIAW mentality, Ibn Taymiyyah got nothing to do with the Najdi sect sorry 🤷🏾‍♂️

@amirulrusli2953 Ай бұрын

Ibn Taimiyah delved into philosophy to defeat the philosophers, not to adopt philosophy as his belief

@sksajjad7847 Ай бұрын

But many of the aqeedahs are picked from ibn taimiyah by the najdis, though najdis also introduced a lot after taimiyah and they are a complete heretic.

@syedahmadmuhajiralhaddad6091 Ай бұрын

@@amirulrusli2953 no different than Alghazali then.

@amirulrusli2953 Ай бұрын

@@syedahmadmuhajiralhaddad6091 no disrespect to al ghazali as he is a big scholar in Islam, but the Ashairah aqidah itself is an islamisized greek philosophy

@alancient8463 Ай бұрын

@@amirulrusli2953 Asharis literally uses philosophy to defend Islam from those criticizing it, when ibn Taymiyyah does it you're happy when we do it you get upset wtf is that hypocracy?and just so you know it's not limited to just greek philosophy.

@asemyamak3984 Ай бұрын

Thanks man big video

@Juice715 Ай бұрын

Very interesting video, could you do an athari vs ashari one?

@cineshop2529 20 күн бұрын

Very informative video and at the end Clearly imam taymiyah wins the debate

@Thrawnio Ай бұрын

Excellent channel

@huzaifah4016 23 күн бұрын

I love this my brother

@AbrarManzoor Ай бұрын

Great video and well researched.

@yassersharif Ай бұрын

It was all done with ai. They just copy and pasted some text from both scholars and let ai do the rest

@AbrarManzoor Ай бұрын

@@yassersharif i know it but it also requires hardwork

@Muwahid999 Ай бұрын

@@yassersharif You're making it look so easy , as if Ai was programmed by another Ai with no human hardwork.

@TobinFrost Ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing

@bazeeg 5 күн бұрын

AI-Ghazali's approach is more practical and rational than Ibn-e-Taimiyyah's approach, which is conservative and rigid. Al-Ghazali here is addressing the real-world problems of man, he is addressing the grey area which is our reality. No perfect black and white exist in this world that's why the door of repentance (Taubah) is open till one's last breath. Ibn-e-Taymiyyah, however, is asking for an absolute black-or-white approach, an ideal way as one can say, which is impossible in the real world. This debate was fantastic. Keep it up.

@shayumrahim7882 2 күн бұрын

The Quran was revealed to a Jahilee world full of grey areas, and the Prophet SAW embodied the Quran with his actions. It would be sacrilegious to think that the Quran and Sunnah in their pure form are inadequate to deal with the “realities” of this world.

@shihanafridhi9517 4 күн бұрын

I lean towards Ibn Taymiyya as he opposed bid'ah

@LemiKubsa-p3o Ай бұрын

Great Debate ❤

@AfrozQureshi-j3b 15 күн бұрын

I shared it with my beloveds

@salman0ansari Ай бұрын

quotations from the original source would be great

@Abdullah-qd1zv Ай бұрын

Beautiful, May Allah bless the team...How can we contact with the content creators of this channel

@Shaheed_Azhary Ай бұрын

I think AI misunderstood whole thing. Gazzali was pro Philosofy and refuted greek philosphy and invented Islamic philosophy. While Ibn taimiya was blindly opposing philosophy

@esswasim Ай бұрын

Blindly opposing philosophy? Did you hear the whole thing? What does Allah say about believers? That they hear and they obey. RIGHT? So Allah is clear with instruction to believers that what comes from Quran and Sunnah, in that matter there is no questioning rather obedience. But Allah talks about disbelievers that don't they reason, reasoning to leave the false beliefs of worshipping idols and anything besides Allah is for the disbelievers, for those who believe they hear and they obey that is because they are Muslim meaning they submit to will of Allah entirely and they know that Quran and Sunnah are Haqq and cannot be challenged.

@ukholida8320 5 күн бұрын

Thank you. We need to be critical of these AI videos.

@gafooret Күн бұрын

@@esswasim Allah asks the capables to think,research, and explore through his Aayats instead of a blind belief. Blind belief is only related with ghaib which can't be proven by human minds. So try and find reasons if it's there it's good to enrich your faith if it's not possible believe blindly, realizing it can be a ghaib. Wallahu a‘alam

@OmerTamer 15 күн бұрын

I would tend to think, judging by the arguments, that the characters should be opposite: Gazai advocating the fate and Ibn Tamiyya advocating the use of philosophy.

@aliumustapha4222 12 күн бұрын

I know right

@marilynbouziane5530 7 күн бұрын

I wish this was in arabic..I would appreciate it more

@zeeshansheikh6012 Ай бұрын

Imam Ghazzali Such a genious ❤ Ibn Tayymiyyah top class Scholar ❤

@FarhanMahdi-hb8kn Ай бұрын

only one is haqq

@HelloWorld-rg8ee Ай бұрын

@@FarhanMahdi-hb8kn ibn Taymiyyah is right

@virtualwanderer Ай бұрын

@FarhanMahdi-hb8kn Imam Al Ghazali whilst on the wrong aqeedah is still considered as a great scholar of his time. His work is invaluable and we lean heavily upon him in matters of ilm of hadeeth.

@zulfizakarya5703 Ай бұрын

@@HelloWorld-rg8eesays a brain dead wahabi

@FarhanMahdi-hb8kn Ай бұрын

@@virtualwanderer Fiqh and Aqeedah are totally different bro. broken aqeedah = broken iman broken fiqh means nothing at all.

@HabibUllah-dt4tr Ай бұрын

Please use some quotations from their books.

@akserayi Ай бұрын

Islam is simple. Worship God. These debates are of secondary order. And anyone who is unconscious of this fact remains a fool ignorant of scripture.

@cvhashim 28 күн бұрын

👆truth

@Esotericperson Ай бұрын

Sheikh ibne taimiya consider himself khalifa of Abdul qadir jilani a Sufi saint and even speak highly of juanid boghdadi

@momenshtayeh67 29 күн бұрын

I agree with al-imam Al-Ghazali on philosophy but agree with al-imam Ibn Taimyya on the rest of the debate topics

@waleabdulhamid4522 Ай бұрын

Please give us imam suyutti and ibn taymiyyah

@aLone114 28 күн бұрын

Is there such debate between Ibn Sina and Ghazalli?

@tarihseyyah9726 22 күн бұрын

We are Sunnis and we love Ghazali. Ghazali spoke the truth. Taymiyya spoiled the path

@Nearlebon 20 күн бұрын

ahlul sunnah love sheikh ul islam ibn tayymiya may god have mercy on him

@barigyejamiru9748 19 күн бұрын

Both@@Nearlebon

@NurSa3id 18 күн бұрын

@@Nearlebonthe kharijis convinced themselves that they are ahl-i Sunnah while refusing to accept the greatest Sunni scholars.

@3kbschannel288 25 күн бұрын

It seems that they agree more than they disagree.

@you7tube7Abukhaled 13 күн бұрын

Ibn Taymiyyah did not bring anything new; rather, he revived what the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his companions practiced, especially after the spread of Islam. In essence, it is Islam as understood by the righteous predecessors, without innovations or superstitions.

@ousmansanneh128 26 күн бұрын

I agree with ibn Tamiya but likewise imam Ghazali makes a point weakness of faith is possible too...the prophet said a strong believer is better than a weak on the side of God although their is goodness for both

@ryangolden8522 Ай бұрын

The great debate? They were 150 yrs apart.

@jonascarlsson3 Ай бұрын

Dude it's not real. It's AI's take on how a debate between them might have sounded like

@pkimalaysia 26 күн бұрын

Both are great imams and get my respect. However, ibn Taimiyyah is my favorite.

@annuruddinlomotos730 18 күн бұрын

Al-Ghazali and Ibnu Taymiya did not meet because of the difference in their times. Al-Ghazali (1058-1111 CE) lived during the Abbasid Caliphate, while Ibnu Taymiya (1263-1328 CE) lived during the Mamluk Sultanate.

@AtticBooks 18 күн бұрын

thanks for the clarification!

@ssebitaabawamala6861 5 күн бұрын

The philosophical path would have saved the Islamic golden age....

@abdurrehmankhan2590 23 күн бұрын

Great debate , but this doesn't encompasse the whole truth about the views of these two most revered imams of our faith . I have just finished the Ahia by Imam Ghazali and found him completely against Philosophy and Kalam . He has written two books on Philosophy, in the first book he explains about the Philosophy to the extent that people of his age concidered him as Imam of Philosophy but than he wrote its antithesis and condemned the Philosophy. So to understand we should read the books written by Ghazali or Ibn e Timia otherwise we are likely to loose their real teachings and pt of view n concepts. JazakumAllah

@buFFlosouljah1 Ай бұрын

Im a revert of three years. What I heard was "we should follow the Quran and sunnah" vs "I feel like my feelings and desires should take precedence over what the prophet peace be upon him said we should do" Why don't the people who disagree with our prophet peace be upon him, just drop the name muslim and come up with what they consider better? Their own new religion with their own prophets and scholars? Allah doesn't need us and as many people stop practicing islam (may Allah protect us) just as many like myself come in.

@syedahmadmuhajiralhaddad6091 Ай бұрын

this statement by itself is a fallacy. You misrepresent Alghazali's approach into something he never said nor advocate for. Even Ibn Taymiyah himself resort to philosophical arguments when dealing with non-Islamic arguments which further proves Alghazali's point that it can used to affirm revelation. All knowledge belongs to Allah it is how we utilise that knowledge that is important. Even the khawarij during the time of sahabah used the Quran as source doesn't mean their actions are all in accordance with what is intended by Allah and His messenger.

@buFFlosouljah1 Ай бұрын

@syedahmadmuhajiralhaddad6091 one is arguing to follow the prophet peace be upon him and any other argument means they disagree with the prophet peace be upon him. Am I correct?

@BlazySM-qp4yn Ай бұрын

@@buFFlosouljah1 Could you point me where Imam Ghazali contradicts the prophet pbuh and replaces revelation with philosophy?

@omarayoubi7861 Ай бұрын

Neither of them disagree with the prophet. You can be a fond of philosophy without rejecting the prophet. Let me give you one critic of Alghazali. According to him if the prophet didn’t engage in a discussion then we shouldn’t either. Based on his logic, we shouldn’t engage in physics and chemistry because he says everything that happens is because god order however saying that fire changes paper to Ashes doesn’t mean you reject the role god plays in this process

@hasanab1626 Ай бұрын

@syedahmadmuhajiralhaddad6091 Subhan Allah! A revert knows the essence of Islam more than someone who learns Kalam and philosophy. Ibn Taymiyyah did not use philosophy or Kalam to show how contradictory philosophers are in their philosophy or Kalam. Al-Ghazali also hated philosophy and wrote against it.

@enimal524 Ай бұрын

There are many mistakes in this conversation, you should have based it on more material to actually get more accurate depiction. Ibn Taymiyyah Rahimahoullah was a Sufi himself of the Qadiriya, it's stated in his major work of Majmoo' Al Fatawa, so making it seem like he was against it doesn't make sense. He was indeed against certain forms of Sufisms in which he believed there were innovations, but he wasn't at all a refence in the field. Secondly making Ibn Taymiyyah look as an older man in dumb, as you stated he was born 200 years after Imam Al-Ghazali and in matter of impact for the Muslim Ummah he is like a child compared to him.

@darkz8015 Ай бұрын

Both r great

@MustafizulIslam-o9g Ай бұрын

Imam Gazali was around 10,11. Century and Sheikh Ul Islam Imam Ibn Tayyimiyah was around 12,13 century, so how could this debate possible 😂

@AtticBooks Ай бұрын

this is a simulated debate based on their respective works.. as it has been said in the beginning..

@salman0ansari Ай бұрын

are you born dumb?

@TheGEOPOLITICIANGUY Ай бұрын

wait who made this video show me one book where Ghazali said to use intercessors…..? smh

@moha-nf8uh 21 күн бұрын

التعليقات كارثة عوام ويعملون حالهم فاهمين الله يهدينا

@erwinsmith5381 12 күн бұрын

اللهم صل على سيدنا محمد

@dcanebreezy5784 Ай бұрын

You can not seperate deeds from faith. This is irrational and unislamic. Quran is clear! Hadith is clear! early muslims were clear about such topics. Should not even be a debate, it's a fundemntal. Period

@Lebronibnabdi Ай бұрын

Ibn Taymiyyah bodies Ghazali

@Cricketers.United Ай бұрын

Al ghazali W

@HelloWorld-rg8ee Ай бұрын

@@Cricketers.United no brohter that was a los... never we can take or brains above the revelation of Allah and the teaching of the Prohet. BIG WIN FOR IBN TAYMIYYAH

@zulfizakarya5703 Ай бұрын

@@HelloWorld-rg8eeok wahabbi ..now happy ? Lock your brain and declare everyone wrong

@rhymeflakes Ай бұрын

@@HelloWorld-rg8eeyou two guys just like kids. Both of them are brilliant and defender of ahlu sunnah

@syedahmadmuhajiralhaddad6091 Ай бұрын

@@HelloWorld-rg8ee your statement prove you understand nothing about Alghazali's approach to the issue of reason and revelation then.

@BlazySM-qp4yn Ай бұрын

@@HelloWorld-rg8ee how do you define "above"?

@shoebkhann307 Ай бұрын

Shykh ul islam hujjatul islam ! Imam ghazali R.a !

@syedanaushabinzakirkhan20p50 Ай бұрын

Faith cannot simply be without deeds. Part of faith is to believe in the obligatory acts. I'm no one but I think it's illogical to separate iman fram amal!

@aadilshaukat9073 Ай бұрын

This is the creed of Ahlul Sunnah

@dcanebreezy5784 Ай бұрын

In fact, Faith without deeds is an empty account. Faith without proper belief is not faith. (for example christians and jews) This is not even debatable. Period! It's a fundemental of our Deen Quran and Hadiths are clear about this. Such subjects should have never existed. Peoople of whimes and desires will alaways find ways to justify their disobedience.

@10zz0 Ай бұрын

Quran 103:3 “except those who have faith, do good, and urge each other to the truth, and urge each other to perseverance.” Notice how Allah is telling us that faith comes first than actions come after. I wish I could study the Quran more closely and carefully with a qualified sheikh

@jadeysi4 Ай бұрын

I think the point A.I. Ghazali is making is not that deeds and faith are seperate. He even agrees that they are connected and interdependend. The point here is that deeds are not everything and not enough to judge about the faith of a person. While deeds can be a reflection of the faith, they also can be an illusion. For example: there are many people who pray consistently, fast, spend charity and even stand in the night prayer yet they are stealing, lying and commiting sins. There are also people who do not pray, fast or spend charity but yet they refrain from sins and are good, merciful and honest to the creation. These examples demonstrate that people and their deeds and faith are not as simple and black-white as taken. People are very complex and deeds are one aspect of them, the outward reflection of something hidden and much more complex; faith. In the end, it is God alone who knows the intentions and the state of the Heart. If we only go by the outward deeds, we can easily be fooled. For example: someone might not sin at all and do plenty righteous deeds like praying, fasting and charity. Yet they hold much arrogance in their heart. Another one may lack observing the religious obligations through human weakness and falls into sin regularly, but is very humble, regrets and seek forgiveness continuously while hoping in Gods mercy and trying to become better. From the outside the two examples shows a faithful and unfaithful person but we cannot see the inside, which shows that the second one probably is more faithful than the first. These examples just show that while faith and deeds have a relation and connection, they are not the same and are different dimensions of a very complex person. While we can judge the deeds of a person, we can never conclude the state of the heart from it as only God knows what is in the Heart. And thats - I believe - is what A.I. of imam alghazali r.a. is trying to say

@roshanburgai3902 Ай бұрын

Imam Alghazali is at least 2 centuries closer to the Prophet Muhammad PBUH, that's one of the reasons I would accept Imam Alghazali over Ibn tayemia.

@virtualwanderer Ай бұрын

That's a fallacious way to measure truth. There were many of those at the time of the salaf as salih that were upon the wrong path. It's like the verse where Allah says the misguided say "I follow what my forefathers did before me"

@Perozes-gh4lx Ай бұрын

Ghazali’s work speaks for itself, very few scholars have reached such heights

@FarhanMahdi-hb8kn Ай бұрын

Judaism came before islam with the truth of monotheism go follow monotheism then as it applies with your theory.

@roshanburgai3902 Ай бұрын

@FarhanMahdi-hb8kn U don't like to engage your God-given mind/ brain. I have never seen a single one in Wahabis to have the ability of critical thinking. They are litralist, stupid, and almost all of them.

@Tarek-f8h Ай бұрын

Abu lahab was in prophet pbuh lifetime what does that mean

@waleabdulhamid4522 Ай бұрын

Imam ghazali 🦾

@M-Ayub-khan 14 күн бұрын

Al-Ghazali became the Hujjat al-Islam and Ibn Taymiyyah became Hujjat to kill and suppress other Muslims 🤷‍♂. The narrow-minded thinking of Ibn Taymiyyah is so clear even in this AI-generated debate.

@salahuddinkakar6681 28 күн бұрын

IMAM GHAZALI WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@a86ziz Күн бұрын

I disagree with Ibne Taimiyaah- If faith is eveything, what is evidence that a particular Faith is right and other faiths are wrong? There are 4200 religions in the world- what is justification that Islam is right and all other faiths are wrong? Relying on Faith, creates extremism and blind followers-!

@galaktikhoroz9338 4 күн бұрын

Gazali can not go near ibn taymiyyahs knowledge in islam. Gazali is a good philosopher tho.

@cryptogenie01 27 күн бұрын

Ghazali❤

@shadishehata224 Ай бұрын

Ibn Taymiyah's view on sufism and secret knowledge as well as bidaa could be done better.

@j.r.r.tolkien8724 Ай бұрын

Ibn Taymiyyah considered whatever he could not conceive and justify rationally to be an impossibility. Salafis would be shocked to know this but it's true. All their lives they were taught not to use their brains in issues of Aqeedah only to find that the founder of their manhaj was a philosopher. Read Bayan Talbis Al Jahmiyah.

@dcanebreezy5784 Ай бұрын

Well, let's refute briefly al Muqalida jahmiya First, Ibn taymiyah is not the founder Second, Ibn taymiyah followed the salaf. Third, Ibn taymiyah was not a philosopher but he had to refute them. Fourth, Sahaba and all the early Muslims did not believe or known "Ilm al Kalam" Fifth, The salaf considered "ilm AL kalam" as a heressy and an innovation Sixth, Ahlu Sunnah do not talk in the Unseen Matters but were forced to respond to your Predecessors "Mutazilah and jahmiyah" Shubuhat. Else, they do not talk about it. It's forbiden to talk about what we do not know about. "ولا تقولوا على الله ما لا تعلمون" Seventh, Our understanding come from Quran and Sunnah. Not Plato pagan philosophical Fundementals and principals about The existence of God. Eight, Quran and Sunnah are clear about The attributes and names of Allah swt. Nine, The method of The salaf and early imams : They describe Allah swt with what He described Himself with, and with what His Messenger described Him with: من غير تحريف، ولا ‌تعطيل، ولا تكييف، ولا ‌تمثيل Ten, We do not believe in some Attributes and disbelief or Make ta'atil and ta'wil in others. It's a package u can not take some and leave others because it does not fit your so called rationality^^ or Aristot- plato principals. You take em all or leave them All. You can not try to rationalize some and say "There is nothing like unto him" but reject other Sifat and names ^^ Mubtadiah are all the same

@Al-Azdi Ай бұрын

@@dcanebreezy5784 ابن تيمية يقول بأن القرآن قديم النوع حادث الآحاد، ويعبر عنه بأنه محدث فما الفرق بينه وبين المعتزلة؟ ابن تيمية يقول بالقدم النوعي للعالم فما الفرق بينه وبين أرسطو وفلاسفة اليونان؟ ابن تيمية وتلميذه ابن القيم يقولون بفناء النار فما الفرق بينهم وبين الجهمية؟ ابن تيمية يقول بإن الله لا يستطيع الخلق من كتم العدم (تعالى الله عما يقولون) في كتابه النبوات، فما الفرق بينه وبين الفلاسفة؟ ابن تيمية أيد نظرية الغريزة التي قام عليها مبدأ أرسطو، والتي هي في جوهرها تخالف قيومية الله على خلقه(والعياذ بالله)، فما الفرق بينه وبين الفلاسفة؟ من يثبت العلو بمعنى الجلوس والاستقرار كابن تيمية، ما الفرق بينه وبين الحلولية الذين يقولون بحلول الله في المخلوقات؟ ما الفرق بين من جعل عمل الجوارح من أركان الإيمان وبين المعتزلة والخوارج؟ قبل أن تتهمنا وار سوأتك ثم استفهم منا عن مذهبنا

@Al-Azdi Ай бұрын

@@dcanebreezy5784 Ibn tayimiah wasn’t a philosopher? LOL. Oh boy you’re in for a surprise! Just read (النصيحة الذهبية) and (زغل العلم) it’s a message of advice to him by his own student Al-Hafiz Al-dahabi before Ibn tayimiah died.

@damascus6155 Ай бұрын

This is an extremely poor & frankly poor representation of Ghazali and ibn Taymiya. The tone of voice affects perception also. Both Muslim philosophers Al-Ghazali and Ibn Taymiyyah articulated the dominant philosophical theory of knowledge. The Difference: Ibn Taymiyyah held that knowledge is justified true belief or a set of beliefs presented by Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him. While Al-Ghazali claimed that God creates knowledge in us without changing the creed of Islam. Basically Al Ghazali says we need to evolve our system to evolve as people while Taymiya says no stick to the knowledge of the prophet in 600 AD which is fine. but we aren't there. if Al Ghazali thought had prevailed, Muslims would be in a better place. there is other knowledge. What Ghazali says is that the Creed given to us by God Via prophet doesn't change. but instead the system of studying and evolving our spirituality. If u even wonder why Muslims tend to be backward and haven't pushed their generations to study until the 1900s. well that might give u insight on how thought affects the manifestation of self.

@Kirk-d7v Ай бұрын

I don’t think they could do anything more except discussing it on the *God Logic* podcasts.

@jackj357 25 күн бұрын

sufism is very deep connection with god and Prophet Muhammad (SAW) there are two types in sufism one is deobandi and the other is naqashbandi which was passed down from hazrat abu bakar (RA) whose rank was extremely high in saints legacy, Naqashbandi is the legacy of hazrat abu bakar (RA) which was ten passed down to the later generation because after prophets are awliya (saints) who will keep glorifying prophet muhammad (SAW) because the miracles of prophets are an awliya (saints) karamat, If someone want to learn about sufism they should learn from a trusted person because in internet everything is against sufism.Hazrat abu bakar (Ra) said that I showed only the first part of the knowledge if i should the other part these people will come for my throat so because somethings are very complicated.

@Kirk-d7v 24 күн бұрын

@ *Acts 19:13-16*

@user-wr4yl7tx3w 27 күн бұрын

Who won out in history?

@Electroripper1 27 күн бұрын

To tell who won would be wrong as both shared their ideaology and tried to come to a common ground as the debate was delving deeper not that they were allineated or allineating

@designexecution8995 22 күн бұрын

This is completely wrong what we are seing they were both scholars who submitted their life for islam ...there is always been differences of opinion from the time of prophet pbuh...its about the reasoning and the acceptance ...not to win arguments and create sects...plus what we are seeing in this video is against islamic thoughts which create difference in ummah n deviate from right path n creat confusion leading to weakening of faith...May Allah guide us ...

@bachoundaseddik250 26 күн бұрын

the sciences of religion are sciences of proof, the debate is inamportant if the Ai will just bla bla bla about their opinions from their books, we dont take the truth from them but we take by evidence the truth from man in general.

@Electroripper1 27 күн бұрын

I think telling it debate is kinda wrong rathe it was sharing their ideaology and interchange ideas and both shared their ideaology and tried to come to a common ground as the debate was delving deeper it was not that they were allineated or allineating.

@TheGEOPOLITICIANGUY Ай бұрын

most of u HAVE NEVER READ Abu Hamid al-GHAZALI (I can tell - do not say you have if you disagree with this because ALLAH knows the truth) - and I would bet HALF of u ibn Taymiyyah lovers have not even read one of his works but rather have listened to his “ideas” through OTHERS if u read BOTH of their works…. You would KNOW Ghazali would wipe the floor with ibn Taymiyyah ….. and I RESPECT ibn Taymiyyah …. but read their works …. actually read and give it a try and get off YT and you will see what I mean one was a great jurist who at times contradicted himself one was an absolute brainiac with a FIRM understanding of Islam btw who do u think u learn ur fiqh from? including Taymiyyah? - no, not shafi’i (ra) … rather Ghazali … all modern fiqh taught in 90% of mudrassas around the world are books BASED off Ghazali’s Mustafasa …..

@alhassanmudasiru4066 Ай бұрын

WalLaahi listening to this debate makes me feel sufis are out there to both directly and indirectly defend and promote indiscipline, innovative acts and beliefs, and madness. If people knew who mulhid sufis are, they would have preached to them to stay away from their no-shari'a habit and heed the rebuke in Qur'aan 6:153 and 6:159. If you know the aforementioned verses and how they were interpreted and applied by the Prophet (S.A.W.), the majority of the companions, and the majority of the greatest scholars of Quruwn Al Mufaddala, you would drive any mulhid sufi away who comes to you to market his innovation.

@szlyar Ай бұрын

Is it fair to say Ibn Taymiyyah won the debate?

@DevidMatin 16 күн бұрын

No he was ignorant of what Al ghazali (R.A) was trying to point out

@3umar_661 17 күн бұрын

Do not use drawn images of living things brother, it is haram.❌️

@ahmedabdi319 Ай бұрын

العلم قال الله قـــــــــــــــال الرسول قال الصحابة هم أولو العرفان ليس العلم نصبك للخلاف سفاهة بين قول النبي وبين قول فــلان Ibnu taymiyah point is the safest and most reliable. فَكُلُّ خَيْرٍ فِي اتِّبَاعِ مَنْ سَلَف وَكُلُّ شَرٍ في ابْتدَاعِ مِنْ خَلَفْ وَكُلُّ هَدْيٍ لِلنَّبِّي قَدْ رَجَحْ فَمَا أُبِيحَ افْعَلْ وَدَعْ مَا لَمْ يُبَحْ فَتَابِعِ الصَّالِحَ مِمَّنْ سَلَفَا وَجَانِبِ الْبِدْعَةَ مِمَّنْ خَلَفَا

@coachzoro Ай бұрын

How he has the safest point and most reliable while the scholars in his time thrown him into Dhalal?

@dcanebreezy5784 Ай бұрын

@@coachzoro so if some scholars call you Dhal, does that mean you are? When these scholars themselves believe in Pagan greeko platonic concepts about Allah Ofc, i will take it everyday Go read about Al salaf and their rejection of Ilm al Kalam and considered it as "INNOVATION" Al mutakalimah base their deen on ILM AL KALAM. They do not believe it's an ijtihad but A FUNDAMENTAL of their creed and beliefs in Allah. Even if going clearly against Clear texts. iLM AL KALAM introduced endless heressies and saying about Allah what he did not say (or his prophet) In fact, contradicting and going against it. Ibn Taymiyah had to use philosophy to refute their philosophies. But his justifications and argument are all from Quran and Hadith. Period!

@ServoDeAllah1 Ай бұрын

Why music it is haram

@Mohibnsu007 Ай бұрын

In a real life Debate Imam al Ghazali will eat Ibn Tammiyah for breakfast. I respect Ibn Tammiyah, but modern salafist is doing a great harm to his image.

@jalilsarwar6906 Ай бұрын

What harm are salafis doing? By just following the Quran and Sunnah according to the salaf?

@ryojs4286 Ай бұрын

This is destructive and not thinking through AI doesnt comprehend anything

@kaiserbeigh Ай бұрын

3:21 right on point

@nawazkhanbaluch9098 Ай бұрын

Assalaam alaikum. When will these debates end? And when will we concentrate on worshipping Allah subhana wa taala? We have very little time on this planet, and we are wasting it by arguments that will not be of any profit in the hereafter!

@dcanebreezy5784 Ай бұрын

How can u worship Allah when people believe in Plato principals and ignore clear cut texts ? In fact, u can worship Allah while spreading awareness so peoople do not go astay. How can u seperate deeds from faith? Is faith acceptable without proper belief? ofc; No! Isn't Quran and Sunnah are clear about the Must Do of deeds. THese subjects should have never been started. But, People have whimes and desires and will always try to do whatever they want and take people with them into oblivion. There are people of Whimes and desires and we have to expose them and show the Dalil from Quran and Sunnah. SO people don't go astray.

@abouttoihihoumadi7125 12 күн бұрын

This impoverish the Man that was Ibn Taymiyya. It's quite the opposition of his words in Majmuʿa al-fatawa 11 where he said Sufi means Ṣ̌adīq. The arguments hereupon are out of date

@ukholida8320 5 күн бұрын

Becare using AI infos. Keep being critical & gather your own knowledge. Ask for confirmation from a righteous knowledgable teacher.

@TheGEOPOLITICIANGUY Ай бұрын

Btw I respect u making this video as it is very smart idea that no one has yet tried - SO KUDOS TO YOU - dont want to be harsh - but some of what “taymiyyah says” to ghazali was not even a ghazali ideal?? and using tahafut and ihya is not even two comparable books to bring the table to use AI - use ihya and maybe iqtisad instead if u do this next time

@ALVACHY 20 күн бұрын

Ibn Taimyya speaks from his soul, Al-Ghazali speaks from his mind. Ibn Taimyya is the Victor.

@CarniceriaCasaUmar Ай бұрын

This is blasfemous to both scholars and dangerous. Fear Allah whoever dares to make this sort of content.

@coachzoro Ай бұрын

How come Al-Ghazali and Ibn Taymiyyah face off, where Al-Ghazali lived in 450 to 505 Hijrah and Ibn Taymiyyah lived 600 plus hijri, how come they face off?

@Omar-hh2bk Ай бұрын

0:11 'imaginitive'

@coachzoro Ай бұрын

@@Omar-hh2bk yeah I found it that way, when I look to his channel then I understand, whereas he does the same method with the other scholars in different era and centuries. Such a magnificent work and idea to do this!

@j.r.r.tolkien8724 Ай бұрын

This is more like a modern Salafist vs a moderate Muslim. Ibn Taymiyya himself was a philosopher. A materialist.

@dcanebreezy5784 Ай бұрын

lol Ibn Taymiyah wasn't a philosopher but had to do it to refute Philosophers. Stop the cap

@Al-Azdi Ай бұрын

@j.r.r.tolkien8724 27 күн бұрын

@@dcanebreezy5784 Had to do what? You can't say it? 😂

@dilawarjoemman5543 19 күн бұрын

sirry to say. imam ghazali. is ghazali. and were is ibn taymia. not at all. to compard. ibn taymia is only a d beginning student by Imam ghazali. the work imam ghazali has done . ibn taymia. not a droppel of it.