Islam's Mahdi: Mirza Ghulam Ahmad and Khilafat

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I will convert to your religion, if you can answer only ONE question: Give me an authentic Hadith similar to below: 1. So and so said, that Muhammad a.s.s. said, that Isa Ibn Mariam is not the coming Messiah or something like "he will not come back", it will be someone else. 2. So and so said, that Muhammad a.s.s. said, that I am not i.e. Muhammad a.s.s. is not the last Prophet but there is a new prophet to come. 3. So and so said, that Muhammad a.s.s. said, that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad ibn Chiragh Bibi is the Messiah. Or just give me ONE SINGLE Sahabi, who blieved 1. a new Prophet after Muhammad a.s.s. can/will come 2. in two different and distrinct Messiah 3. in another Isa a.s.s. You have to bring these kind of statements, BECAUSE WE HAVE EXPLICIT STATEMENTS WHICH STATES THE EXACT OPPOSITE !!!!!!! The Quran and Muhammad a.s.s. said something, and you expect us to believe the exact OPPOSITE???

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Hey coward keyboard warrior. Bring your questions to Razis streams. Be a man.

[@Asterius86]

None of what you asking for is even claimed by Ahmadis. so your demands are completely unreasonable. The claim is that "Isa ibn Maryam" is a title used for the Mahdi himself. Based on the principle that the ahadith should be read in light of the Quran, and other ahadith on a given subject; and that according to the Quran, Isa ibn Maryam (as) has died.

[@claudio_isen]

@us86 You are one of the minor honest people, who eventually admit, that THERE JUST is no answer. Yes, your murabbis always tell us they follow the Sahabas footsteps. So you have no answer ? you dont seem to understand the high implication of what you have jsut admitted? From where do you have your religion then if not from the Sahaba ? Believe me, you would only be too eager to claim that you CAN answer, but just like the Christians, who have no evidence that Isa a.s.s. claimed to be God, you have no explicit evidence for your faith, so you MUST create a huge endless loop around the entire Islam. That's precisely your problem. You make a claim, provide not a single explicit proof, and ignore the big picture. ................................................. If you want to understand, pls you only will, if you take off your qadiani glasses. Let me try to explain it to you in detail: If we have mass-transmitted Ahadith (Mutawatir), conveyed to PEOPLE in all the mosques (THE CENTER OF COMUNITIES FOR EVERY ONE TO KNOW !!!) of the Islamic world during the time of the Sahaba, about the finality of prophethood and the coming of Isa a.s.s., and not a SINGLE counterargument was EVER discussed, narrated from the Prophet a.s.s. within their circle (scholars, laypeople, Sahaba) like some Sahaba who believed or said that there are two Messiahs, new Prophets are possible to come, another Isa a.s.s. will come, then for Qadianis definitively one should be transparent: that the option of a new prophet or another Jesus a.s.s. was NEVER A SUBJECT. Or do you like to tell us, that the Sahaba r.a. believed in something BUT DIDNT TELL IT TO US. What does it tell you that this misconception is not found in Islam? You're creating your own context, piecing together statements from here and there into a context, but these deductions MUST HAVE ALSO BEEN MADE BY THE SAHABA. You can't simply cobble together a belief that wasn't derived from the Sahaba just as much as from your so-called evidence. Qadianis start by Mirza, thats it. You simply don't understand it; without the Sahaba, there is no Islam. We don't worship the Sahaba, but we are 100% dependent on their understanding and the faith they VERBALLY and IN PRACTICE conveyed to us!! Muhammad a.s.s. told us that Islam is what Muhammad a.s.s. and his COMPANIONS are upon !!!! You're simply trapped in your bubble and afraid losing your entire family and community. I know, for you, it's like a mental suicide, don't deceive yourselves, you're replacing Mirza Dajal with Allah!!

[@Asterius86]

@@claudio_isen I don't think you even read my response. None of what you're asking of Ahmadis is even claimed by them so your're barking up the wrong tree here, so to speak. Ahmadis actually ACCEPT the Ahadith about the descent of Isa and the finality of prophethood, but simply have a different understanding of them to most contemporary Muslims based on their reading of the Quran and other Ahadith.

[@claudio_isen]

@@Asterius86 So you mean, when Muhammad a.s.s. nearly in 100 Ahadith tells us Isa a.s.s. will come, he a.s.s. was referring to Shahruh-Khan or rather Bill Clinton ?? Why are you so blind, WHICH SAHABI BELIEVED IN ANOTHER ISA a.s.s. or alike who will come ????????? In reverse, you didn't read or understand my response. Yes, exactly, you admited it again without realizing it; Qadianis have created their own religion, which was neither lived nor believed by any Sahabi, NO ONE !!! Therefore: Where did you get your religion from, certainly not from the Sahaba, who lived, sacrificed their lifes and many of them were living door to door next to the Prophet ! Pls my friend, instead of just arguing, study Islam and let Qadianism aside for a few weeks.

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The more i read about mirza ghulam - the more i am convinced it is NOT the truth. Inshallah my family also comes to this realization.

[@magnacae182]

The more I read the more I'm convinced he is the Mahdi and that you and your generations will await Isa (as) to fly down from skies and no one will come. Deep down inside you know this too. The only way outside of Islam Ahmadiyya is atheism.

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad alayhi salaam is the Imam Mahdi and Masih al Ma'ud, no doubt in it. ahmadianswers.com/ahmad/truth/

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What craziness is this? Is Mirza gulam ahmed the SON OF MARY!?????

[@magnacae182]

It is absolutely crazy. I agree with you brother. But it is the truth.

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad alayhi salaam is the Imam Mahdi and Masih al Ma'ud, no doubt in it. ahmadianswers.com/ahmad/truth/

[@claudio_isen]

@@RevIslam1889 you know that Razi has constantly been proven to be a liar. If this guy is your defense, then good night, my friends. Why do Qadiani Murabbis or mentors always shoot the same repetitive argument machine-gun? Don't you have a mind to give a direct answer to a direct question? Okay, if you follow the Sunnah of Mirza, then I can understand your approach: mixi-maxi, metaphor-rally, and just claim; the proof is somewhere.

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​@@magnacae182 nope he is the son of Chirag Bibi. That's the truth.