Israel-Hamas Conflict Threatening Singapore's Social Fabric? |

[@alanchen6622]

My encik is a malay muslim and i remembered he once said if Malaysia ever goes to war with Singapore, he will fight back till he die. And he added.. I'm a Singaporean first before i'm a malay. I'm a Singaporean first before I'm a muslim.

[@sylh8173]

What John said around the 33:30 mark was exactly what I was thinking. If the SG government allows more open discussion on the conflict in terms of protests, you cannot trust that everyone involved will be 1. protesting for the right reason (e.g. a lack of comprehensive understanding of the conflict, an desire to look more “sophisticated” by condemning Israel while not actually practising what he/ she preaches even in everyday life, pent up religious frustration etc.) & 2. staying level-headed & not incite (religious or not) disharmony or even violence within SG. I do agree that SG’s “racial harmony” is very manufactured & what we really have is more accurately racial tolerance. So we CANNOT afford for a fight that’s not even ours to disrupt the racial tolerance that we currently have. It may come across a little selfish sounding but self-preservation is nature. Also, when you stay safe then can you have the ability to do bigger things like help others/ bring about positive change etc. This is why you’re supposed to put the oxygen mask on for yourself before you attend to others in a plane accident. And it’s not like the SG government is just sitting back & not doing anything to help the conflict. Israel had been condemned. Humanitarian aid had been sent. So how is it fair to say SG is genocidal? How? Maybe to some people SG is not doing enough then what are these individuals doing? It’s easy to just hide behind a keyboard to type/ complain amongst ourselves. And active help doesn’t just mean protest, which we cannot guarantee wont lead to other problems. It could be donations. It could be volunteering to help distribute aid on the ground through legit avenues. It could be being open to talk about the situation but also being ready to help dissipate tension if the conversation gets too heated. Also, Singaporeans need to understand why some people from other countries may be criticising SG, what is the real reason behind the criticism? Is their any hidden agenda? Do these people understand SG’s unique political position? What are their country’s government/ they themselves doing? Don’t just jump on the moral high horse or should I say stupid wagon to put your own country down just so you feel more sophisticated/ cool. And I totally agree with asking Singaporeans who are passionately pro-Palestinian in this conflict if they are ok to send all our fathers, husbands & sons to help in this conflict? If they are ok if our economy & political ties with many countries get negatively affected as a result? Maybe they have been too accustomed to the the peace & prosperity SG has enjoyed for many decades that they take it all for granted. When all those things happen, they ARE going to complain why our government went to fight a battle that’s not ours & implicate all of us. I’m not a blind hardcore supporter of our government. And I don’t know enough of what our government might have done to shush open discourse about the conflict (e.g. the case of asking the influencer to take down his/ her post on the conflict) so I’m not going to comment on whether our government is being biased/ spreading pro-Israeli propaganda. I’m just trying to say it’s very obvious our government is trying to protect our country FIRST but ALSO condemn actions that are clearly wrong AND try to provide assistance to the innocent victims caught up in this unfortunate conflict.

[@user-jo2xe5uf4h]

You all got guts. I like. The best way to resolve an issue is talk more about it instead of keeping it aside

[@User-xpdgh1-yu_x]

I do not support Palestine, Israel or US or UK or any other country. My first loyalty is to Singapore. However as a human, ALL the bullying and killings of innocent people must stop and we must provide aid to where people needs them, from ANY country. It doesnt matter if they are Palestinians or Israel or Russia or Ukraine or US or anywhere - wrong is wrong and right is right, regardless or race or religion.

[@thespacejedi]

Yes then you need to point out the wrong from both sides also

[@DonkiDonkey]

Singapore first. Never let outsiders messed up our harmony.

[@Syn741]

Idk how I feel about talking about the conflict as both sides have propaganda. That being said, people like to pick and choose how far back in history they want to go to bolster their narratives. If they want to talk about history, you go right to the beginning where it was no one's land. If they want to talk about mistreating of people, you need to go back to how the world treated the Palestinians, but also the jews, like how they were ethnically cleansed globally. So the question is how far back do you want to go to make things fair?

[@user-qn2yt2qe6z]

I have lived in Australia during the pandemic and trust me, you don't want protests... Traffic stopped, hospitals blocked, Glass windows smashed, people get hurt seriously... We always think grass is greener on the other side, but I have experienced countless times when I needed to change my travel plans because drivers go on strike. I say, we give up some freedom for safety. I don't feel like I am very restricted here, compared to when I was living in Australia.

[@nehabhatia170]

THIS!!!

[@jj96432]

Legit question for Singaporeans who support Palestine - What are your reasons to support Palestine over being neutral and putting SG interest first?

[@yip2454]

I just dont support the fact israel killed countless women children men whom are non hamas, hospital, food aid trucks. They can deny all they want but Videos Photos everywhere. I dont support Hamas but at the same time do not support Israel Government

[@heehaw6315]

so many people suffering and so many wars, but only vocal about Palestine

[@sharilali8240]

Stay neutral then why need to talk about it in school.

[@reddragon2k6]

Maybe to them it's an issue of common humanity, a group of people are being slaughtered, how can they watch as children starve to death and mothers hold the corpses of their dead young children? They don't prioritise Palestine over Singapore: it's simply a case of "humans in another land are being slaughtered en masse, we have to do something as fellow human beings"

[@JonathanPYWong]

Standing on the side of humanity if I may look at the current Gaza situation. While I understand our government position, we as a nation one day could be victimized into a situation where we are being "bully", won't we want other nations to provide help based on humanity reason rather tha just on their country interest only

[@Cheng-xi6sl]

I don't think the pro Palestinians expect the government to send troops into Gaza, I think they just not want double standards and have sanctions imposed on Israel like how the government had swiftly done so to Russia.

[@wongywhuang]

Many are saying to leave the kids alone or out of the picture. But, kids are already involved, whether by their parents or through social media. Not addressing it in school is just allowing whatever they are already exposed to to further fester. Schools need to educate kids on Singapore's position. That's why it's called citizenship education. If parents don't want their kids to be taught citizenship education in government schools, I believe there are international schools which doesn't have such curriculum. My own thoughts on the conflict after watching the podcast: 1. Singapore is not taking a neutral position. Singapore has taken a stand in saying both sides are wrong. It is not a neutral position. 2. Can Singaporeans agree that Singapore's interest come before pro-Palestine/pro-Israel interests? 3. For people who feel upset and hurt by the conflict / injustice, I think there’s a need for spaces or people to speak to, to lash out, process emotions of helplessness and being silenced -- and right now the only space seems to be social media. Any solution to this?

[@skeet0000]

I applause sg gov effort to let children know what is going on this rather than having them trying go find info from unreliable source. but do agree that the content is not sufficient and should include the history of the conflict between both countries so that the children understand why and not just what

[@gibson4501]

John continues to provide a lot of insight with a logical thought process, which I deeply appreciate and I believe most would respect. However, as JP mentioned the importance of discussing from two opposing standpoints, I feel that the panel was not able to provide an opposing argument to this logical flow presented and the episode was left rather inconclusive despite the multiple attempts. I would love another episode with a well-prepared guest that can provide new discourse to the table, be it ex-mdm Pres, protest organiser, or anybody at all that feels strongly about this conflict. I understand how difficult it must be for these guests to come online and take a stand, but if you feel so strongly then we'd all appreciate the courage to share with the rest of us your thought processes and suggestions for Singapore. Otherwise, stop boycotting Singapore.

[@goddanner]

It's crucial for more people to gain a deeper understanding of the importance of prioritizing Singapore's interests. In an era where myriad narratives, each carrying its own divisive agenda, flood our information channels, it's more important than ever to remain focused and not get swayed. Staying informed and discerning is key to navigating these complex times for the betterment of Singapore.

[@AndrePHK]

Why the same voices aren't making noise about the Russian / Ukrainian situation? If their concerns is about the "innocent loss of lives"??

[@narnooshho8296]

Amazing! Young Singaporeans, supposedly well educated and yet know very little. but think they know a lot. Let's be very clear here, Israel Hamas conflict is not a religious conflict.

[@vinnysing1324]

This is definitely to do with religion

[@yooneunhyesarang9245]

You know your history!

[@JonathanPYWong]

Daily Ketchup team, good job in this podcast, appreciate a more Singaopore perspective in this. Pls continue to do this type of subject in future

[@sagsounds4509]

So next time when invaders enter Singapore we/3rd observers should also show care and concern to the invader well being?

[@verycursedplane6557]

Personally i feel it should be "I'm Singaporean and I support Singapore". Anything people have opinions on should think of how it benefits Singapore first over other countries or states even if its over people being killed in another country. Since SG and our people come first IN Singaore

[@jefri4176]

Singapore government approach of Singapore first is the right thing to do. Taking neutral stance and condemning both sides is good. There is no point allowing stupid useless protest happening in Singapore which only will divide the citizen. I am as Indonesian is jealous of this. In Indonesia there is no choice but to "support" Palestine or get bashed. Of course Indonesian are not very educated and civilized like Singapore. Regarding moe bringing it to be taught to kids,I think primary school is too early,the children still can't think much which is right or wrong. Probably more suitable to bring it to sec 3-4 under appropriate environment. *I studied in SG from p5 to poly 🤭

[@daphneee2426]

We are all first and foremost Singaporeans before we are our race and religion. we need to remember this for peace and harmony. let us just support and protect our country and our own people.

[@JuzNicky]

Ah the civics and moral ed era. Who remembers the hao gong ming books ?

[@ScientistA]

guess we're all boomers now

[@jiaxuangoh]

From a teacher's point of view, it's seriously difficult to balance both sides of the parents. We teach current affairs to the children in all aspects, not only about wars. We teach current affairs even about the smallest things, like for example letting the children know that a wild boar entered a supermarket in Yishun to search for food which led them to discuss how the wildlife are being affected due to food shortages in the natural habitat due to industrialisation, etc. Parents love it when we share such topics of current affairs. But when it comes to touchy subjects like these, half of the parents love that we share so that the children know a "summarised" and "filtered" or "PG" version of what is happening. But some parents choose to completely shelter their child from such topics like death, war, suffering, etc. Then some parents want the school to share the real hard facts and not provide a "summarised" version. It's hard to balance them all, because the mixed opinions are almost equal in numbers. As teachers, we try to be as neutral as possible and to inform like how newscasters cast a report on happenings around the world. It's really very hard in general and I think parents should be more understanding on how the school chooses to run certain things.

[@fadzable]

There is no such thing as a "neutral" version. One side is taking the land of the other since 1948 and committing war crimes. Its about humanity.

[@nehabhatia170]

Thank you for sharing!

[@crystal8537]

My question : Why nobody cares abt Ukraine? Armenia- Azerbaijian conflict? Myanmar? Isnt it bc of RELIGION??

[@everythingandmore5537]

Singapore is in a region which cares about Gaza. Singapore position on Gaza is contrary to the regions position. Singapore went overboard in support of Ukraine against Russia.

[@anikinhop]

I hope every Singaporean remembers that we are a small country. While we may have opinions on conflicts around the world, getting involved, sending troops, or imposing tough sanctions doesn't work miracles for our tiny nation. We do not make major decisions for the world; our focus should be on our own country. Involvement in global conflicts yields little benefit and often amounts to mere posturing rather than yielding efficient results.

[@AK8901]

Why does this have to be so sensitive and hard to talk about? Why are people afraid to share their views publicly?

[@leewn2319]

Israel - Palestinians / Hamas conflict is an age old issue way back thousands of years ago. It’s got nothing to do with Sg sovereignty so Sg should not take sides. As the conflict between the 2 nations are geographical issue / political issue / religious issue. So it’s important for Sg multiracial & multi religious harmony in this internet information age that Singaporeans & our kids are not influenced by bias video clips. Hence,instead of trying to teach our kids how to be discerning it’s best for MOE to have dialogue with parents and explain to them the need to guide their kids to maintain harmony and what could be done on humanitarian grounds.

[@baruakapitalis]

The Western govts. love this development. Seeing Singapore got so afraid with the Muslims in Malaysia, they can sell more weapons to Singapore. Fear mongering means business.

[@farnix]

Well, I have a friend who got "invited for icy cold kopi" at an exclusive underground room with no windows for his posting about the conflict.

[@Lucas-wn5wm]

Theres no hoohah when Azerbaijan took back nargarno karabakh.

[@noelrobinson2307]

Exactly, i see in other comments, if they were so concerned about innocent lives where were the protests when their own people killed their people? The audacity to kidnap civilians and demand a ceasefire when you still are holding on to their civilians. The same people who are shouting "there is no justification for violence and targeting civilians" but they can justify oct 7. Some logic.

[@wokalot3586]

Why we don’t do more for Myanmar? The Gaza-israel issue is weaponised. To come across caring for Gaza n not for Myanmar is almost hypocritical or manipulated. There’s no 24/7 media hype on Myanmar compared to Gaza. Its what the media choose to hype and monger.

[@bateshell2]

Myanmar's case is a civil war (internal conflict) against their own government, but the Israel-Hamas conflict involves one state against another.

[@qw-tr6fm]

Simply, the west has less vested interest. Hence less coverage.

[@doodlemecrzy8075]

The honest answer is supporting Myanmar doesn't give people the online clout since its not being covered much in the media. Not trending! The virtue signaling from the west is infecting the east.

[@melwu7954]

Very sensitive subject to teach

[@movdqa]

Singapore is a gem in the world. They have an educated population, peace, prosperity and the pursuit of happiness. Those are things that take planning, care and nurturing as governments and democracy are very, very fragile things. And you can lose them in a blink of any eye without strong social and governmental support. There are various issues where I see where the majority gets shouted down by a vocal minority who are upset because they can't get what they want and don't understand why the majority has a particular point of view. And social media encourages that as it does well when there is more noise and anger. Side notes on this podcast - I learned a few things about Singapore and Israel and that there is a discussion about this over there.

[@eatdriveplay]

6:17 - that is precisely why the lesson was needed. Because of parents/adults who are so swayed to think only either side is right...or that terrorism is justified because of whatever history/religious/political reasoning. There are people on both sides, including Israeli civilians and victims by rocket attacks and 7th October attack. Yet there are are such parents who want their kids to believe it all is justified as 'resistance'.... what will their kids grow up to believe, if not for such a lesson?

[@sid8574]

Singapore Israel relations go deep. Israel helped in creating and building up the well tech capacitated Singapore army. The army has indirectly contributed to the improvement of the electronics and tech industry in Singapore therefore indirectly contributing to the human capital. Though this current war is complex and has negatives on both sides, it’s understandable for Singapore to keep this important relation as collaboration in tech and related fields helps Singapore.

[@AbdulHadiJ13]

This conflict has almost an oral legacy that has been monitored, observed and passed down for a few generation:- even with some that has tried to penetrate and aid on ground. It was a household staple in a way that it has an emotional baggage and trigger and only to see people react now of oct 7 when it has been so much discussed, with massacre that has started even before I was born and seeing it be discredited in a way that it was 1) partially reduced to oct 7, 2) false analogies with other conflict or wars is mind blowing

[@voakenfold]

This is a fraternal conflict goes back to the ages. We must remember we are bystanders and resist the urge to be referees, and not project the need to referee the conflict onto others by forcing a stand. There isn't enough paper to tally up the right / wrongs of both sides, it is the responsibility of the brothers themselves to come to their senses. By the way, SG does not have diplomatic relations with Hamas as they are a terrorist organization. SG has relations with Palestinian Authorities, and we did not break ties or sanction them after 7 October. Does it mean SG endorse terrorism? No. So saying SG supports genocide because we maintain relations with Israel has no legs.

[@lecherhao86]

I am a Singaporean first. I wouldn't meddle too much into other countries' matter because my root is in Singapore & my family is in Singapore. Despite empathising the seemingly disproportionate amount of violence committed on the Palestinian people, we don't have any other arsenal to hold the Israel responsible. Let's not pretend that we can run the country better because there's a plethora of challenges to address which I'm certain that our government has already considered. Our social fabric will collapse once we have distrust in our government to do the most logical and rational. Other than protesting and demanding that our govt do more, why not the protestors come up with a more constructive and feasible plan so that the govt truly can adopt? Just don't give stupid ideas of sending our men and women to the battlefield because those men and women are someone's mum and dad, daughters and sons, siblings, spouses.

[@user-zw6zt6zi9y]

Sitting in a safe environment you guys should not speak whatever you think. When your country was abandoned by Malaysia, It was Israel which helped your country much, especially in security. Your country was never attacked by anyone and there are no enemies for you. Israel's case is different. Arab neighbors hated Israel as their enemy and attacked the next day it was reestablished. Ever since Israel's turmoil and pains have never ceased and they suffer because of no fault of them. When Bashar killed half a million Muslims (his own citizens) including much higher number of children, no protests happened anywhere in the world, even the hypocrite UN did not say a thing. Russia is destroying Ukraine a much smaller country for more than two years and Azerbaijan occupied Nagorno Karabakh no objection. But when Israel defends itself and assaulting Hamas to disarm it, everywhere protects. The Gaza terrorists push civilians into arms way wantonly so that they can turn the international community against Israel. The stupid international community believes the lies of the terrorists.

[@SamuelSR-ld6hf]

Well done on calling out propaganda! Singapore is a nation that respects international law and so should not underestimate the power of its influence in calling for justice for the Palestinians and calling for an end to the illegal Israeli occupation under international law

[@RetroHeads]

After much deep diving to understand the conflict. I come to only one conclusion, it's already way past to do the maths on who caused more harm and damage. I condemn both sides but they are well beyond going back to history to determine who is wrong or right. The one and only way is to learn to stop the hate and try to forgive.

[@ChirpyChat]

Good conversation. As parents, it's unnecessary to over censor the information that our children are exposed to in schools. And think if we are overthinking for them beyond their level? That said, teachers need to have the right skill to engage students for their response to develop critical thinking rather than defend any information.

[@Utube1024]

Its all boil down to religion. In Malaysia even Bak Kut Teh can be a talking point at national level. In Pakistan, a woman wore a dress with full of Arabic characters the crowd wanted to kill her for blasphemy. Later the religious leader confirm its just Arabic character as a form of art.

[@Slimec1976]

Skip all politics and religious BS... just look at it from humanitarian angle period.. it is not complicated.. when natural disaster happened, do we just help whoever sufferred or do we decude based on political and religious reason?

[@s07325]

Singapore first. ❤

[@coach.jaytee]

Very good conversation! I think this is a must watch episode.

[@dc7774]

Truly enjoyed this episode. Thank you guys.

[@ditsygirl5409]

I feel this topic is a bomb… really no matter how you narrate it, it will not be satisfactory for both sides supporting Israel and Palestine. The MOE shouldn’t even try to talk about this topic when it’s still ongoing and opinions can sway left and right depending on what’s happening next.

[@nazirulmubin4867]

JP brought up alot of good points. Solid

[@miyamoto85]

Why not talk about Ukraine war?

[@anthonychong1021]

What has it got to do with us? Why do we need to respond to other people war? Just like Taylor Swift? Why do we need to explain to other people/country we can get Taylor swift here while they can't? Let them go and sort out their own internal issue or problem that does not concern us.. As long as we live happily with our neighbors and country man..that's all it matters.

[@gabbyfoo2]

It is extremely important that any reporting from these regions must be done by many reporters or journalists from all the different Medias and not only from the mainstream redacted reporting. Also must look into the actual history and killings done since about 70 years ago. Must be fair to all. Thank you.

[@axiaocy]

We have racial and religious riots before. 1950 Maria Hertogh (Muslim vs Christians), Racial riot 1964 & 1969 (malay vs chinese) chinese community riot (hokkien vs teochew) in 1854.....

[@zayedtalib7029]

I applaud that you guys are talking about it. At least you’re talking about it. If you wish to have a perspective from the other side - a real one - that asks a member of the other side what we do want - I would be happy to help provide that perspective. Let’s keep talking about it.

[@ahhuat3459]

What is truly concerning is how we Singaporeans look at ourselves. Once it becomes I against you, it can spiral downwards.

[@majoribank]

Thank you for this episode. Think school should talk about the effect of war. Then who is suffering and how to show concern.

[@6Sambora]

Why help a country not related to Singapore and it’s so far away. Why not help strengthen our country first. See Malaysia pro-Palestine boicot here and there and now Malaysia GDP is lower than before. 😂

[@AbdulHalimYeo09]

Hope you are comfortable in your little bubble.

[@fazrul78]

we know you just selfish and kiasu citizen😂

[@Queen-cd1qz]

Do you know the definition of genocide? Palestinian population increase and you call genocide.

[@thiamhuatang1070]

Do not take social harmony lightly.

[@lobangqueen]

Tough topic but thank you for rationalizing our thoughts. Well done!

[@SamuelSR-ld6hf]

I see some comments trying to understand why Singaporeans should care about this topic. In my view supporting justice in Palestine is putting Singapore’s long term interests first! Irrespective of historical military ties, Singapore is still a nation that respects international law. It’s own survival and prosperity is predicated on this fact, since rule of law creates stable treaties and economic conditions for Singapore to survive and thrive…and because unconditionally allying yourself with a pariah state that brazenly breaches international law (Israel) will only undermine Singapore’s standing in the international community in the long run

[@doodlemecrzy8075]

Its always easier to tell ppl to “do their job”. Singapore is trying its best to maintain our position as a neutral state. We are already caught in between 2 behemoths. Do we now want to dip our hands into a millenia old conflict? If you think you are some genius diplomat , go join the diplomatic corp and get yourself placed in the situation. The tension is deeply rooted culturally and religiously antagonistic. The conflict is extremely complex & intricate. Sg has already stated its stance pretty clearly we are not on either side. We are friends of both sides. We lament the loss of lives and we condemn use of excessive force along with violations in the rules of engagement. The best we can do is donate to Red Cross and keep the innocents in our prayers. Our own sampan needs all hands on deck.

[@alishaaishahandayah4054]

daily ketchup i think when u do this type of subject u need a malay guest or employ 1 malay n indian speaker. so u can talk about more sensitive issue better.

[@zanlee5272]

Why? U are doing that in the assumption of religion representation, Malays being Muslims, Indian being Hindu, Chinese being Buddhist or Christian. But this discussion does not want to involve religion. So there is no need for religious representation.

[@dylightfullygeekedout]

👏👏👏👏 great vid and analysis. I would add the caveat that what you see on social media is basically a very angry sounding board, and adding to that becomes an echo chamber. Arguing and pushing your opinion will only fall on deaf ears. If you really want to get more accurate sentiment, talk to people face-to-face, not via a device screen.

[@zehahaha603]

Thanks John a few of the points you made were exactly what I felt the moment this Israel-Gaza wave hit Singapore. So many speak passionately and emotionally without considering or understanding the consequences and steps taken to secure our daily lives and even actively undermine their own nation.

[@samo4003]

The problem with the Hamas-Israel conflict is that at the root of it all is religion. And where religion is concerned, nobody is going to admit that their religion is wrong. Therefore, any conversation on religion at best can only conclude by agreeing to disagree. The more likely outcome is a hardening of religious position and increase distance between the parties concerned, which makes the probability of future disputation even more likely.

[@jennn9637]

Its definitely Singapore first for me, especially when whatever we do isnt going to have an impact…

[@soksoksg325]

MOE needed to step in to educate on empathy for the victims of the conflict, many students were starting to bring into school, their own understanding of the events, stemmed mainly from their family background. So you have families supporting each side of the conflict, colouring and influencing many students viewpoints. These students are already having their own discussion on the topic in school, you already have minor clashes and quarrels in schools. Students are already being affected from these clashes in pov from just student discussions in school. That is why MOE stepped in, immediately, swiftly to advocate empathy for all victims regardless of side.

[@giamzhengan6898]

This topic requires more thinking and understanding. Teaching it to lower sec and requesting critical thinking etc might be too demanding and it is unlikely they will be able to capture the full details. For upper sec and above, students are already taught critical thinking, argumentive and discussion essays, debates, etc, thus they will likely be able to understand the topic and class better. However, regardless what answers are given, it will likely offend someone during the process. Thus, sch might want to review more on topics chosen. It will be easier to discuss such conflict when more information is available. The news available currently on Israel-hamas conflicts are relatively biased to either one side.

[@able763]

Singapore is essentially the Israel of Asia. The parallels are almost exact. And Israel has been Singapore's BFF since birth, literally. The SAF was set up with the IDF's help and structured along IDF lines. The Singapore government was advised by Israel. And Singapore, like Israel, is a tiny non-Muslim country swimming in a sea of Muslim countries. Singapore cannot afford to have any kind of debate on this issue. It just wants to shut down debate by saying all the politically correct things.

[@jeddjoseph237]

I disagree with Jon's point on not bringing it up in school and having it similar to how 9/11 was dealt in school. Mainly is that the education level, news sources, social media, and flow of world events and news are too widespread as compared to back then to allow the same method of addressing the issue. I think the concern is that teachers while trained to be educators, still carry personal bias in situations like this, and no matter how well they hide it, i'm pretty sure it slips out. And the younger generation having more access to information and in some cases more emotionally sensitive or educated, pick up on these biasness and also form their own. I think this is what people are unhappy about, that when their kids go home, they already form a perspective that might show signs of biasness that went against what MOE wanted to carry out and instill in the first place. Edit* that last slide question that was added by the educator and not MOE approved... holy crap... no go question lol Edit*2 I really hope you can get the protest organiser on, I think we would like to hear her motivations and story behind her.

[@byln464]

Thank you for taking on this topic. The narrative has been driven by the pro Palestinian group for way too long. But let’s not forget that we must be pro Singapore first and foremost.

[@campfiresnlasguns]

Personally, I feel that sensitive issues like this must be taught, but they must be thought out more cautiously than ever before. Children in modern times are much more cognisant of these sort of issues than children from before the 2010s. These kids are practically the iPad generation since many probably spent their childhood glued to a screen by irritated parents. They know what’s going on and have opinions of their own based on their learnt views of ethics and morality. I first realised this when I saw a kid of a primary school going age punching (gently) at the Velcro patch of an Israeli flag and it dawned on me that tragedies like these are highly accessible for children to see. They don’t necessarily need to read it, for the visuals themselves tell a story to them. With the intervention of schools, one can only imagine how confusing it’ll be for them. Take the topic of bullying for instance. Schools tell them it’s wrong to bully others and bullies must be punished. Most agree. But now the school asks them to be empathetic towards the Palestinians and Israelis, which confuses them so much because they just don’t know whether if they should empathise with a bully who they were taught deserved punishment. This is made worse for the children who side the Palestinians since they are literally seeing a perceived bully getting away with it, without much punishment, and perhaps with the support of the school. For the pro-Israeli children, they may see it as a perceived bully being rightfully punished, but be just as confused when they see that so many are condemning their perceived victim for retaliating against that perceived bully. That said, I’m concerned for our children and I hope that MOE will take extra precaution in teaching them about important yet sensitive topics like these.

[@AndrePHK]

Controversial subject, at least not now for schools.

[@AnAn___]

There are 50 major wars ongoing in the world, the most since WWII. And as of now over 20 wars are worse than the Gaza Israel war? Why is Singapore not focusing on all 50 wars? Why the over emphasis on the Gaza war?

[@obscurifyed]

care to list some of them?

[@peckchunhua9694]

these keyboard warriors are all so hypocritical and nonsense.

[@josieel]

Can yall do an episode talking about what Singapore would do if it were in Israel’s position? I think that would be very interesting since Singapore is in the same situation as Israel, surrounded by much larger countries that are predominantly one race. Also, there have been multiple conflicts between Singapore and Malaysia and Indonesia which is similar to Israel’s position but much more toned down

[@spartantoys8226]

Singapore is just a small red dot on the world stage and should just remain largely neutral. We are not the world police like USA and should not pick sides. Most countries have just put out statements condemning Israel which we have also done so I don't see why so much is expected of us from our own citizens. Like what was mentioned in the video, what do the pro Palestinians expect the govt to do?

[@GeokengTan-yk8hj]

that minister work too hard ...

[@redwings1974]

What has happened is troubling. If schools want to jump into such discussions, are they ready for what such discussions will impact social landscape in SG? Such issues is best leave to gov to manage. As it is a double edge sword. Do SG want a peaceful social country or a divided one? Peace is very fragile. Ppl has their own point of views, however, should think of long term social harmony.

[@elignore3307]

Exactly the point where our government prioritised national security and cohesiveness with the point of Singapore first. In the many levels of ego, most people do not get past the level of understanding bigger view of things. And that is where self-righteousness and biased (self serving such as all lives matter but then saying one side doesn’t deserve etc. when innocent people are on both sides) stands are taken. Remember, weakening our defences or national security will potentially cause more issues for ourselves later too.

[@samesamebutnotsame1172]

What the passing rate for history subject/module? Can let student choose geography over history. I look at their textbook is worst than 20years ago

[@BeachBoi1000]

I think shouldn’t discuss or being discuss, taught in school. There is no peace in Middle East, don’t bring the non peace to Singapore.

[@robertlim8095]

The history of the present conflicts in the Middle East dates back many thousands of years ago during Abraham and his descendants.

[@robingng]

MOE is wrong to even discuss this as topic!!! Period! Of ALL topics, they pick this sensitive and tough topic! Even as an adult, this is a difficult topic to discuss!! Who can say who is RIGHT in the first place?? Seriously!!! Whoever approved this ought to be responsible! Dont crap Singaporeans to believe to build critical-thinking amongst the young students! There are many TOPICS to test and build critical thinking!

[@ineedflesh]

2 million people are going to die either by bombs or starvation and as humans, we should do everything we can to stop it in any way possible. One of it is to demand our SG govt to boycott Israel in ways we can - not sending a Israel ambassador (especially when we didn’t even have one for 50 over years) is one way, divesting in companies and institutions who engaged in settlement activities or the ongoing genocide are steps we can take. We should not be complicit in this second Nakba. I think it was lost opportunity to have someone who was pro Palestine to explain this clearly. We’re not asking for extreme measures where we send troops down. Also - we all INDIVIDUALLY can do our part. Boycott companies as part of the BDS movement. Boycotting helped end the apartheid in South Africa and it’s probably the only way we can end this.

[@berglim6218]

Even if you draw the line earlier, prior to United Nation voted, the situation was complicated still. The British didn't do a clean job, not sure if "good job" exist in this context. I read: 1. Empire of Sand, How British Shaped the Middle East, by Walter Reid 2. The Palestinian-Israel Conflict, A Very Short Introduction, by Neil Shah

[@MrTakoyaki1992]

FIRST!!! KEECHIU🙋‍♂️🙋‍♀️

[@cteeim6174]

Focussing on the video clip but not the entire video, just like Ukraine-Russia war. Sgreans are well-informed and discerning. Much wiser to play the video and not just the clip. No need to try to sway opinions. We are very clear about our sovereignty and being Singaporean. But if our politicians were to lead us into another Ukraine or Israel or Taiwan, do not expect Sgreans to support them.

[@emperioszyrandios7667]

As a Chinese. I would rather there be a Singaporean Indian or Malay host for this. I think we are more concern about how they feel about the whole incidents rather than how confuse Chinese is about the incident.

[@fadzable]

A lot of people say we must support Israel cause the Occupation Force help built the saf

[@Realtruth2023]

I'm an Israeli that live in SG and I don't think you need to teach your children anything about the war, especially when it's so fresh and unsettled. You all need to understand that you can not understand how the rules in the Middle east is different from Asia and how 99% of your knowledge about this conflict is fake news. It's always surprising to hear opinions from others that clearly don't know what they are talking about (including the kind people sitting on this podcast). We all want peace and it's much more compilcated then you think.

[@johnwig285]

As an israeli, that's totally unbiased 😂

[@johnwig285]

You live in the comfort of SG for too long buddy, time to go back n experience the truth to verify the fake news. but i get it, what's fake news nowadays is subjective. Like the fake news of the baby's head, complicated tunnels under shifa hospital debunked by BBC etc.

[@byln464]

It will be great if we can hear your perspectives on this. What is fake about the news and what are so different about the rules

[@deviladvoc]

i believe this goes deeper but in the end, singapore is in a very dire situation. the world doesnt revolve around singapore and i am sure no one will disagree. having said that, depending on what we do, we may experience heavy repercussions. personally, i will entrust it to our government to do what is best for us. it is selfish but i want to look out for ourselves.

[@birdingable]

If you are not showing or educating the real history of the relation of Israel & Hamas. That can be a propaganda as well. Pointing towards a direction of what you want the kids to see rather than the truth they need to see.

[@ronng6378]

In all society; there are people of different intellectual, moral values; biases; emotional make up; stubbornness; stupidity....which cannot come to a common agreement....just live and let's die in peace....you cannot please everyone.

[@hessaxjac]

what ive heard alot from fellow malay-muslim communities in SG and advocates is that the main thing people want here is simple things - like changing the words used during these conversations. not calling it a war. not calling it a 'conflict' without the nuance of the disproportionate amount of violence happening. i haven't seen Pro-Palestinians call for things like boots on ground or stuff like that, its really mostly voices to be heard. they just want more to be said about it, because while its not happening to us, there /is/ that religious tie to whats happening and us. but for me, what i always say about this, or the russian ukraine war, or anything similar, is this - the conversations that really matter is the ones you have with the people around you. the people you interact with the most. i feel like this is what people should focus on, rather than just social media or even worse - looking at celebrities for a moral guideline. the conversations that you have at home will have more impact on you than a million posts on Instagram i think

[@AbdulHadiJ13]

And not to mention the amount of whataboutism limits true representation of the situation and challenges

[@user-qj3mv2rx6v]

Let's all of us take this as a safety concern the last thing we want is for other people to influence our younger generation, our main concern is peace with all especially among the Muslim and Jewish community in Singapore.

[@wokalot3586]

Do u know top uni like Harvard are shouting anti-semitism hatred agst jewish students. This is result of years of brainwashing through mainstream education. If we go this way, better to home school. We know there were many parents who were concerned over soft coercion on their kids to take potentially harmful jabs. Open our eyes to what is going on😅

[@sincebeyondtime]

John can be a government spokesperson explainer, his job is just to explain in the most simplistic form.