Israel-Hamas: Who is responsible for Gaza's enormous civilian death toll? | Ian Bremmer | Quick Take

[@clarklubbs7638]

Following the time line of this tragedy it appears to me these aid workers were hunted down.

[@johnbblezer4298]

I really don’t blame Israel because they are a child that do this because a lot of media in the west always cover for their despicable conduct . The western media is disgraceful.

[@johnbblezer4298]

They designated a route , marked the cars , droned 3 times , have a policy of starvation and we are arguing if it was intentional ? 😂😂😂😂 I mean come on

[@williamw8546]

Come on, Ian has a company to run, he have to be friends with Israel

[@Shadow-sm8hs]

Doubt it, the starvation policy is propeganda

[@LarryPapadakis]

Let's not forget that Israel wants to use starvation as a weapon.

[@joemoore8047]

Starvation, forced relocations, attacking humanitarian aid, all of which are war crimes under the Geneva Convention which Israel is a signatory.

[@benb6527]

And Hamas doesn't? Truth is, Hamas has far, far more to gain from images and news coverage of starving Gazans. On the otherhand, this is strategically very damaging to Israel. Are you sure Israel wants this?

[@PALSDX]

My family in Rafah used to receive food from WCK since 4 months, now the WCK stop working there sine the accident.

[@benb6527]

@@PALSDX Fight Hamas?

[@JustSnakes911]

@@benb6527 you'll be replaced by minorities and you won't be able to stop it?

[@Satorronco]

'Human shield' only works when the shooter sees you as human, methinks

[@douglaskaminski4703]

Did the IDF script this?

[@markgarcia8253]

Westerners are colonizers. What do you expect?

[@kshen7485]

It has been another “winner takes all” story in the world. Poor Palestinians.

[@Shadow-sm8hs]

I am still only 75% with you. Palestinians are ruled by Hamas and supported their government. Many Palestinians before the war supported the elimination of Jews. The Palestinians allowed the 20000 rockets to be launched from Gaza in the past 20 years. The Hamas are created from Palestinians. My perspective does not come from post Oct 7 propaganda, I did my reading and interviews long before. Still Israel is tough in the retribution department and the Palestinian people do not know right from wrong after being indoctrinated, ie they should not be killed for their beliefs as they don't know better. I am very sad about all the dying but wonder what Israel should do differently. Honest ethical struggle for me.

[@aceinthehaze6107]

​@@Shadow-sm8hs I get so tired of the question of what should Israel's response be to October 7? October 7 is the response to decades of brutal oppression and ethnic cleansing. Saying Hamas Just Needs To Surrender Is Saying We'll Kill Kids Until We Get What We Want "Such a tactic is not meaningfully different from lining up children on their knees on the battlefield and shooting them one by one in the back of the head until the enemy unconditionally surrenders." You want to prevent the violent response of Palestinians? Stop the violence subjugation. The reality is that lsrael couldn't care less about preventing another October 7 as it provides the pretext for their continued displacement of Palestinians, which has been the goal since day one. Oppressed people and occupied people have a right to resist their occupier, International humanitarian law says so !!! Palestinians have a right to resist their 75 year brutal, illegal, genocidal, ethnic clenasing and occupation! Who Israel is fighting? Which army? We are not see another nation's tanks, jets, drones missiles who Israel bombing 165 days ? We just saw home made rockets destroying Occopation Tanks. .Oppressors demand justice from the oppressed. What a strange world.lf my memory serves me correctly I remember Jews in the ghettos used violent resistance to oppose Nazis. They often use Molotov cocktails, smuggled guns from the outside and escaped. Once they escaped they formed partisan groups. Also, there were Jewish councils (Judenrat) within the ghettos that cooperated with the Nazis. Are we selective when it comes to "resistance groups" that fight for liberation from their oppressors? Israeli Delegate incriminating himself and Israel for atrocities and holocaust done by IDF against the Palestinians. What is going on in Israel today to be equated with South Africa, as South Africa still under apartheid laws is one Gift to lsrael"

[@benb6527]

When Jews of the Second Aliyah started arriving, the local Arabs responded instantly with xenophobia. Whatever you want to say about the Jews who settled in Israel, the truth is that Arabs objected to Jewish migration. The United States, the gleaming example of tolerance to Jews has always had restrictions and hurdles for Jewish migration.

[@4040tee]

Gee i wonder why people wouldnt want you amongst them anywhere in the world. Its self evident in your behaviour.

[@kshen7485]

As a Chinese saying: Unjust is doomed to be destroyed.

[@sheikhrahman1991]

Defending the Israeli-Western perspective!

[@Kevin-fq3zh]

cope

[@bitiaaflalo9829]

before I even watch it, I'll respond to a clear question. HAMAS IS RESPONSIBLE

[@joemoore8047]

No mention of the Israeli AI systems? #Lavender

[@DavidSecurity1]

Same problem since 1948.

[@ReginaJune]

2:03 Israel has been very aggressive in their posture against the UN and affiliated agencies/ngo…. And the USA

[@ilyadashevsky9347]

UN has maintained virulent anti-Israel stance for the last ~60 years. It is run by a bunch of bureaucrats from authoritarian, totalitarian, or outright Islamo-Nazi countries who dream of destroying Israel. Plus, don't forget that UNRA has become a virtual subsidiary of HAMAS.

[@Base612]

People keep saying Hamas is operating in hospitals. We have not seen ONE offering of proof of this. The only example we saw was when the Israelis went into a hospital in the West Bank undercover as doctors (which is perfidy, itself a war crime) and killed a militant who was unconscious in a bed and two others. In other words PATIENTS. If Israel is going to strike hospitals which are protected under laws of war than it is Israel’s responsibility to demonstrate the reason in EVERY CASE. Every time they strike like this they need to offer proof why they needed to fire each shot. They completely destroyed Al Shifa. There are reports of field executions of doctors. Patients were run over by bulldozers. And not a shred of evidence of Hamas provided. These are all WAR CRIMES. Unless you personally have seen this evidence please stop irresponsibly parroting Israeli talking points because they have not shown it to any media, the US government, any other government, or the UN which has asked for this repeatedly. You debase yourself when you make these claims.

[@andreagonella4956]

What happened to you? You sound like John Kirby 😅

[@TeacherLisaHello]

Ian: I have a hard time Israeli targeted his workers. and they genuinely believe one was a hamas target. And they apologised and apologised ....Is Ian Bremmar a paid speaker for Israeli PR? Does he have many consulting jobs from Israeli company CEOs? Pls disclose.....

[@naymatunc-rc6vs]

It was never about hamas or the hostigas its about the land without the population

[@johnpaul252003]

Israel is responsible.

[@matematleta492]

Well, what do you expect him to say? Go against the J St., AIPAC line and he is out of a job....Ian, no more clicks for you!

[@rubyonthevine]

Who was the target?

[@faisal0280]

We’ll see if the aid stops. The administration has criticized and continued providing funds. Also, what does international law says and if we don’t follow international law then everything is fair.

[@MrWashraf]

Who is responsible for massacre of Palestinians. aid workers of Central Kitchen Center and UN in Gaza?

[@TeacherLisaHello]

i stopped listening on the third time he repeated that they apologised....

[@davidcooks2379]

It's not enormous, it's incredibly moderate. With the average combattant to collateral damage ratio of 1:9 the death toll would be 150,000. Even the lying Hamas doesn't dare to lie so much

[@ziv2liv]

If anyone forgot, during the operation in which the US left Afghanistan 11 Marines got killed in terror attack and 41 wounded. After that incident, a US drone mistakenly killed 11 Afghans including children believing they targeting an ISIS-K vehicle. This is what happens in war.

[@har8397]

Whataboutism? Especially between a destitue people and a regional hyperpower? These zionists are sounding more and more like Putin's clowns everyday....

[@johnbblezer4298]

This what aboutism is the hoops you lunatics run through to defend the absurd . May god bless your depraved souls

[@judykinsman3258]

We people in the US are getting quite a choice in the upcoming presidential election. We can be a puppet for Putin or a puppet for Netanyahu. I choose neither!

[@sailingadventureswithgrandad]

I’m sorry you are apologizing for Israel’s genocide in Gaza.

[@JackTau-jr9tw]

Who is responsible for enormous death tolls in Gaza? In my opinion, I strongly believed that allow independent foreign investigators and journalist to go into Gaza and do their jobs freely. International Communities will then know who is responsible. Right now Israel says, it was mistake whilst International Communities says it was intentionally or deliberate action. Israelis themselves killed these seven aid works. How on earth one can accept or believed their explanation. It also apply to all other journalist and aid workers that were killed in Gaza since 7th Oct and now starvation in Gaza as well.

[@tonyryan9188]

I have to say I'm quite disappointed with your quick take, as I'm sure you are well aware of the attack on the USS Liberty and its significance. Members of the Israeli government and those closely associated with it, have publicly mentioned the idea of starving out the people of Gaza. What was the secondary and almost immediate consequence of that strike on the aid convoy was the fact that aid agencies stated they could no longer endanger their people and ships containing food for Gaza were turned around and consequently exacerbated the food crisis. We don't kill women and children in their thousands because the bad guys are nearby or there is a tunnel running under their houses. What you seem to struggle with, seems obvious to the rest of the world. Moreover, you make no reference at all to the illegal actions that Israel has committed over the decades that has given rise to groups like Hamas. Yes what Hamas did on Oct. 7 was monstrous, but I think that most civilized people would think that what Israel has done since, is monstrous too!

[@ReginaJune]

1:33 I do not when I watch the security council meeting performances, the various international news sources interviews with unity govt/idf officials in contrast with AP/Reuters and the narrative vs. accountability/truthfulness.

[@ИванНинов-ц6о]

Who is responsible 100% Israel what are you talking about...

[@fassstar]

Why do you think that the number of casualties per day, and not solely the civilian to combatant death ratio, has any importance? This number only shows the ferocity of the fighting, not whether it is targeting militants or civilians. In contrast to other wars, Israel has to fight an intensive war, leading to high casualty numbers per day, amongst others due to, a. Israel knows it is usually granted only a limited time before the world starts pressuring it to stop fighting. b. Israel has to try to destroy as many of Hamas's capabilities to launch missles, as these missiles are not targeting military targets, rather Israeli civilian targets. c. There are Israeli hostages held in Gaza, thus the faster Gaza is swept by the IDF, the higher the likelihood the hostages might be found and rescued, or Hamas will be pressured to agree to release them in a deal. Therefore, it will be more constructive to debate whether the civilian to death ratio is indicative of war or of a war crime. And moreover, to come up with reliable death figures, and not just take Hamas numbers at face value ... numbers that have been shown to be statistically improbable.

[@sisenor4091]

We should also talk about the participation (or lack) of Egypt 🇪🇬.

[@tsoihoiyat]

Same for the Syrian "opposition" force, who embedded among the civilian population, literally using people as their shield and maximising the PR value of civilian casualties.

[@sfrentals4769]

Why are hamas gunmen entering their vehicles? That obviously makes this a more complex case than the mass media portraying this as a totally unprovoked attack by Israel. And why is Hamas given a complete free pass, when they are clearly complicit in this incident? Israel getting blamed for everything while hamas gets a free pass = total bullshit.

[@inhumanesocietyusa]

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[@havardrivansson7902]

Whatever Hamas says the casualty numbers are, divide that in half (at least), then be assured that 3/4 of those they claim were civilians, were actually Hamas fighters.

[@stevenrosenberg1847]

The points missed is Egypt's refusal to allow civilians to evacuate from the war zone to the Sinai which exposes both civilians and aid workers to danger and plays right into Hamas' hands. While on the other hand Egypt allows weapons to enter Gaza from the Sinai which aĺlows Hamas to rearm and continue fighting. Yet you blame Israel for mistakes for overly complex situations that aids and abets terrorists which fuels Hamas' propaganda war. With unrealistic expectations, the US should have pressured Egypt to stop aiding and abetting Iran's proxies in Gaza. These are the points you missed and the mistakes this Administration has made.

[@velisvideos6208]

Who is stronger and does most of the killing? How many civilian casualties will satisfy Israel? 50 000? 100 000? 500 000? Or the entire population of Gaza?

[@user-pm7ck6ij9s]

So grateful for your insights Ian.

[@sommmeguy]

Thanks for taking on the "easy". questions!

[@cindyoverall8139]

PROPAGANDA .. YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO ALAN DERSHOWITZ. HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH.

[@squarewheel00]

lol @ “maximum danger” as a concept & the was he said it 😂

[@rubyonthevine]

Sorry but you sound like an IDF apologist.

[@sanyaolaleye8710]

yes HAMAS to blame lol, this take no surprise.

[@inhumanesocietyusa]

Hamas ❤ USA 🇺🇸

[@inhumanesocietyusa]

Poor ISRAELIS 😂😂😂😂

[@StephenFlynn-xl2fw]

Aegean what?

[@AlgoNudger]

The Rebbe and Hagee are the most responsible. 🤭

[@JustSnakes911]

both-sidesim nonsense. just admit that the UK is still colonialist.

[@AmjadKhan-hl8qv]

Israel is responsible

[@AY-uf4oz]

Enormous civilian death toll? There's actually a lower civilian per combatant ratio than almost all comparable urban wars, according to most if not all military experts. Of course, this doesn't jive with the accepted narrative, so you hardly ever hear this being mentioned. Or that Hamas embedding with the civilian population and infrastructure, a major war crime, after starting the war, means they are primarily responsible.

[@drorbenami4827]

Please Ian... In Normandy Allied bombers killed 20,000 French civilians in one month... In Vietnam the USA averaged 25,000 dead civilians per month for 120 months IN A ROW !!!

[@pascaleaoun5297]

I think you are becoming delusional about Israeli intent

[@Steve-mo4qp]

Ian Bremmer, you raise the issue before a comprehensive and independent Israeli report is released. Aspects of even your brief and high level comments are not cohesive. According to my reading of the most "reliable" sources, the food agency fully co-ordinated movements with the IDF. You reference calculated military actions generally, that take into account both military objectives and potential (or certain) resultant civilian harm. However, in this case we are talking about what appears to be a calculated move of allowing an international food convey to pass, for the purpose of carrying aid, and then firing upon that convey. According to reports, at no time are Israel's concerns about Hamas combatants communicated . This is not comprehendible even in the context of the "gorilla warfare" counter tactics that need to be employed. The Netanyahu response that "bad things happen in a war", like most of Netanyahu's reactions these days, does nothing to instil confidence

[@BhaskarRoy-t4w]

Most responsible - USA

[@8t7xf4bbf]

Strange - I don't have any problem with it...

[@richardjones2168]

Certainly plenty to question in this commentary, but hey everyone has an opinion

[@letmedowneasy43]

I expected sharper analysis from GZero, especially at this stage for Ian and his team to roll out the discredited "Hamas human shield" trope in the face of a certified genocide. What do people expect to happen when there is an insurgent group like Hamas being targeted by another nation-state (Israel) and Israel's solution is resorting to a bombing campaign? This framing makes me question GZero's credibility more broadly at this point. Very sad.

[@aaronweiss6679]

Hamas does use human shields. Hamas admits to using human shields. Keep your head in the sand if you like, but then keep your ignorance to yourself

[@yaosteen]

Can you elaborate on how you are confident that the IDF intentionally targeted aid workers? I’ve also heard the argument that like friendly fire, deconfliction is hard and error prone in an urban warzone, especially at scale. Gaza does seem likely to have a very heavy fog of war. Is that argument not credible in your view?

[@TWE_2000]

Ian is in my opinion easily one of the best speakers on geopolitics (at least in the English speaking world). But after listening to people who specialize in military analysis, like Michael Kofman on the Russia-Ukraine war, plus my own time in the US army, I've noticed that Ian doesn't always have a great understanding of military operations; specifically when it comes to military activities on the tactical or operational level.

[@ananthan8951]

After examining the WCK's accusation including the fact that every movement was coordinated with the IDF, which obviously followed this convoy from the starting point and which used accurate drone fired missiles, the Israelis' defence of the act has zero credibility.

[@yaosteen]

@@TWE_2000 yep, I don’t claim to be an expert to know Ian is wrong, but indeed, there seems to be a massive gap between what political scientists think of the war and what military analysts think, especially when it comes to point of intent and the impact of the fog of war. Ryan McBeth is a military analyst, and while I don’t think the IDF would proliferate this video, it provides more context around the tactical complexities here and doesn’t seem nearly as confident that this was intentional: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJebeWaFp6mMbbssi=I3q4pnc_wZcLSlOh

[@lawrencehawkins7198]

“Israel-Hamas: Who is responsible for Gaza's enormous civilian death toll?” Easy. Israel. Next question…

[@Ma-ql2rq]

Ian.. all due respect, you have lost your mind with implementing zero logic.

[@danielstarnes7354]

Joined 9 months ago, and no subscribers? Id expect you would have thousands by now.

[@bbkGT3]

a hoodie?

[@ReginaJune]

4:19 they are- where else are they allowed to say what they have to say? Not the Occupied West Bank and obviously not the Gaza Strip. Why should they go to Jordan or Egypt? They aren’t even welcome and who wants more refugees? Israel has occupied the Palestinian territories and the Golan Heights since the Six-Day War of 1967. It previously occupied the Sinai Peninsula and southern Lebanon as well. en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki Israeli-occupied territories - Wikipedia

[@paulamarsh1]

Oh dear...! You forget about Egypt occupied Gaza strip and Jordan held Judea and Samaria 1948-1967. Were you complaining then ?

[@ReginaJune]

@@paulamarsh1 I wasn’t born yet.