Thierry Henry was RIGHT about current USMNT vs. Landon Donovan era!

Thierry Henry was RIGHT about current USMNT vs. Landon Donovan era! | Call It What You Want

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@almcquiston3779 Ай бұрын

To say McKennie and Tyler aren’t getting in over Edu is crazy.

@mdfrenchy Ай бұрын

Edu over McKennie? That's nuts. I'd take Musah over Edu. And you'd take Altidore over Pulisic? Pulisic doesn't even make the 2010 team? Put down the pipe gentlemen.

@paulhamrick3943 Ай бұрын

Yeah this was a ridiculous conversation

@pinktaco738 Ай бұрын

Tbh this podcast hasn’t been the same since Heath left

@thenoahg3050 Ай бұрын

Nostalgia goes crazy

@DM48858 Ай бұрын

Christian is the best usmnt player ever period. You have to put him in the lineup.

@marcosvitela2943 Ай бұрын

You can't bench pulisic you guys are crazy

@dangelobarksdale5807 Ай бұрын

Nostalgia's a helluva drug. LD and Clint literally could not do what Puli or Wes are doing now for their clubs. Bro Clint could NOT get off the bench for Spurs. Jozy DID NOT PLAY until he went to AZ. Our boys literally scored in CL a few days ago?!? Sanneh was decent at Nuremburg but could never mathc the level of Dest now at PSV. Johnny OB amazing a Ajax and who knows if he could've been fit. But the same for Reyna?! Almost all of these guys, you're looking at them after their entire careers but at the time, both of those teams play ABYSMAL games. So many garbage friendlies and competitive matches. You're measuring this team based on their performance as a USMNT collective but for they were at mediocre clubs and were mediocre. Lastly, and this is ALWAYS forgotten. The game is so different now, right? Players before just cannot get away with what they did before. So WHY ARE WE always comparing the past and today as if they're equal. Our team IS soft, and I'm pissed as hell, but don't start this comparison game and talking about it like it's fact just because you can see these players total arc and then play off the 25 and 20 yr olds because they're just potential.

@nerychristian Ай бұрын

Maybe the quality of players in Europe has dropped in the past 10 years. Realistically, wouldn't you say that European players in 2010 were better than current players?

@nwerz-1022 Ай бұрын

Laughable takes especially about Christian and Weston not being automatic starters based on their actual career not just when they’re wearing the star and stripes. Landon’s one moment was in 2010 and puli did that in his first World Cup at 23 for us. Let’s not list the accomplishments for club it’s a waste of all of our time

@joshlynn3185 Ай бұрын

My bad Malik Tillman right now has 21 goals in Europe at 22 year old Bradley scored only 26 in his European career

@woodsea434 Ай бұрын

I loved Clint Mathis during that 2002 run. Looked like he played in a Clash cover band and then would come out and just play balls-out all game. Such a mad man.

@dirks6550 Ай бұрын

2010, Bradley yes, but Adams (if healthy) over Edu. Pulisic over Davies possibly. Dest possibly over Cherundolo.

@chriskohh Ай бұрын

Have to say I agree with the assessment of the '02 squad. I feel that your logic is a bit biased though for that 2010 team. Either Chuck or Jozy is definitely starting on the bench to make room for Clint up top, Pulisic and Landy Cakes on the wings. Wes starts over Edu. Mo couldn't pass the ball further than 15 yards without consistently giving the ball away. Jedi starts no matter the era, though Beasley doesn't get enough love

@georgebamete2650 Ай бұрын

Pulisic not in the team... the balls this guys has..!!! Pulisic is top 10 one of the best wingers in the world right now, with club stats no other American has come close to! Scores goals for club and country like no American has ever scored.. The balls this guy has, unbelievable. Since soccer ever started for America, the first 3 names on the team is Pulisic, Robinson, and Mckennie, then you add the rest, whomever they're!

@manwholaughs2477 Ай бұрын

Same mentally that had us not qualifying for 2018 and grouped at the Olympics “I don’t care what level as long as you’re playing” ffs

@bhdzprodigy Ай бұрын

Where is the OG heath pearce at tho

@Chudsic Ай бұрын

feel like thers some drama there lol

@uzamakileon4448 Ай бұрын

@@Chudsic Gotta be

@DanHaug Ай бұрын

You guys are SO on point with the LD era player comparison. There might be quibbles here and there, but the players from the era 10-20 years ago were mentally tougher and just found ways to win.

@mdfrenchy Ай бұрын

I'd take McKennie over O'Brien any day. McKennie is starring for one of the most decorated clubs in Italian soccer. That Berhalter couldn't get more out of him just proves how terrible Berhalter was.

@petyaklipo7331 Ай бұрын

O’Brian every day over fatty.

@blackice1796 Ай бұрын

This is what’s wrong with former players imo. They are always going to think they are better than the current group. It’s absolutely crazy. They look at this current group being hampered by coaching and uses that as an indictment against their talent.

@pinktaco738 Ай бұрын

Exactly. These are the same dudes that said Donovan could have played for Real Madrid

@blackice1796 Ай бұрын

@@pinktaco738 I had no arguments about the 2002 team because I was 12 years old and not interested in soccer then, but when they said “who would start over Bradley and Edu” and thought they were making a point… I had to dismiss everything they say out of hand at that point. It’s clear they are looking back and are like ‘we played well together’ and value that more than talent.

@bryan5213 Ай бұрын

Def some nostalgia takes here. You can definitely argue some of our players aren't as mentally tough as previous generations, but you can't deny the talent. You're also comparing guys with complete careers to guys currently in their mid 20s.

@philiplewis3679 Ай бұрын

You guys are blinded by nostalgia. The only thing that previous generations might have over this one is mental toughness. That, however, can be taught. That easily comes down to the coaching of Gregg. With the right coach and the right motivation the current team blows out all previous teams. It doesn't matter if they are on the bench at their club, it is a bench that the older guys could never touch. Musah may not be starting at Milan but Edu wouldn't even make the team. Goalkeeper is the only position that has declined.

@HitmanEF Ай бұрын

How did this team do this summer at the Copa? Remind me again cause my nostalgia is blinding me

@georgebamete2650 Ай бұрын

Mckennie and Pulisic are definitely playing since soccer ever started in America! Lets be serious.

@ricks6218 Ай бұрын

Largely agree. A healthy Tyler Adams and a tuned in McKennie are certainly on my bench.

@thomasgomez3215 Ай бұрын

Some have said this is one of the most 'talented' groups. But then we also say most of them aren't making previous teams. So maybe that argument about this group missing that grit, drive, pride, guts... if they had that. If we had the attitude...maybe. Jedi over Hedjuk, but mostly because left back is weak.. but we acknowledge jedi doesn't have the dog that Hedjuk did. What's harder to teach? Technique or growl? A lot of those boys were fighters because they had to be. We need to find that for these newer generations.

@dirks6550 Ай бұрын

Which of our current players would play in the 2002 roster. Who would be on the team? Pulisic, Jedi, Mckinney, Dest, Adams, maybe Reyna. Starting is a tougher thing to say. But really the difference is many of the players, not all, seemed more like men than kids. Our current team seems like a bunch of kids. Attitude, strength? Or is it actual age? Not sure what that is.

@mdfrenchy Ай бұрын

Just a few years ago both of these guys were the ones pumping up the idea that this was the "Golden Generation". It's like these two forgot that we had the incredibly inept Berhalter managing this team for the last SIX YEARS. That's a flipping crime. It's a miracle that Berhalter managed to get this team out of their group in Qatar. The 2002 & 2010 teams had MUCH better managers in Bruce Arena and Bob Bradley.

@clintdempseyisgoat8829 Ай бұрын

I bench charlie move clint nest to jozy slide LD right and put CP left... i probability put healthy tyler adams over edu

@joshlynn3185 Ай бұрын

THE BEST 11 here beats 2002 on paper- stop talking about fight and heroism. These kids are better talents. Balogun Pulisic Gio Dest Musah Tillman Adams Jedi Richards McKennie

@nickvincent8760 Ай бұрын

Id love to revisit this after 2026 WC. When they are talking about the 2002 and 2010 WC, both those teams had all their best players in their prime. LD and Dempesy in 2010 were like 28 at that time. In 2006, LD and Dempsey struggled as they had to carry more of the responsibilities. They then matured and grew to be better in 2010. Pulisic, Adams, Jedi, Mckennie, Dest, will all be around that age by then. Two years from now, they can still grow a lot. I think part of the nostalgia we give to the past teams is overlooking the maturity and age they were at at these times. All the players they are mentioning from past teams, lets compare what they accomplished at the same age as most of the current players.

@s0ccer96 Ай бұрын

Adams easily gets in over Edu, McKennie as a sub for Bradley, Pulisic as a starter for that 2010 team. Dest also gets in, same with Jedi.

@andh2627 Ай бұрын

I still wonder how far the 2010 world cup team could have gone if Oneywu and Davies were healthy and Jermaine Jones was able to file his switch in time.

@Life0fBri Ай бұрын

Your comparison of Current vs Former NT's brings up some interesting questions about generational differences, playing abroad vs domestic, and dual nats: It seems the current team (and younger generations) has less Patriotism when compared to older generations, less fight, less grit and weaker mentally. The players say they're proud to play for the national team, but is this because they have American Pride or because it's means so much for their soccer career? The 02 and 10 WC teams win out on personality, fight, and mental toughness alone. Playing in Europe means more opportunity and more money, but at what cost to the player? Being away from home, friends, and family, living in a strange new city/town/country, constantly fighting American Soccer stereotypes, and more travel for international fixtures all wear on a player. I think Gio needs to play in MLS for this reason. Dude is struggling mentally, which leads to injuries, and needs to ground himself in something familiar. Look at how well Landon played for San Jose and LA compared to his unsuccessful trials abroad. Speaking of Donovan, in his "Kickin' It" interview, he questioned the commitment of certain dual-nationals leading up to the 2014 World Cup. What kind of effect does dual nationals have on a team? Is there a disconnect to the National Team you choose to represent, when you're didn't grow up in that country? Let's be real, Balogun chose us because he wouldn't make the England team and has a better chance of playing in a WC with the US. Look at all the Dual-Nats we had on the 2014 team under Jurgen. Talented, sure, but not all of them understood what it meant to play for your Home Country.

@AlanAndersen-o4p Ай бұрын

To say Pulisic won’t start in that 2010 roster is absurd. Best player that USA has ever produced to date! Nostalgia bias.

@AlanAndersen-o4p Ай бұрын

Also I do agree with the other takes though.

@chadnorth10 Ай бұрын

Hate to say it, but I agree with them. Current USMNT wouldn’t beat any US team from 1994-2014. Hope the new coach finds a way to reclaim that pride and dedication.

@josuehernandez300 Ай бұрын

If Pulisic was on any of those teams those guys do better sorry you guys you are ridiculous I can’t respect you on this

@remowilliams7029 Ай бұрын

No way CP has the drive or passion that LD had. Sorry bud CP is great but he lacks that dog attitude.

@mattchristopher2039 Ай бұрын

Chuck/Jimmy, great ideas, I'm totally down for the family meet up for the pod at a game one day! 2026 is coming fast and I'll be there.

@willsalas5225 Ай бұрын

I think you guys are spot on here. I also believe that calling these boys the golden gen is a smack in the face to you men. Let them drop a pair first and EARN it before being called anything other than lucky to be wearing the crest in this generation because they wouldn't have during your windows. Period.

@dirks6550 Ай бұрын

McBride yes, but I don't know about Mathis...

@markr9312 Ай бұрын

That's because it's ovious you did not see him play in his prime.

@woodsea434 Ай бұрын

I wish the show was on Pacific time, I'm always working during live streams 😢

@RickyRicardo84 Ай бұрын

No, Chuck, u weren’t that great.

@Soulreaper-1129 Ай бұрын

True statement ⬆️

@Chudsic Ай бұрын

neither are the current strikers. chuck had potential before the accident

@erlinghaaland8046 Ай бұрын

Most underwhelming

@mdfrenchy Ай бұрын

@@Chudsic Let's not pass judgement on the current strikers until they get with a real coach.

@Chudsic Ай бұрын

@@mdfrenchy yep cause theyre world beaters w their clubs right

@Andelani_Ikwueme Ай бұрын

This is all Nonsense, Why do people act like we have stars over the crest ? The US MNT has won nothing !! All this comparing past players and generations is like asking whos the best out of the worst teams in a league. The US MNT vs US MNT culture is the biggest part of the problem !! The best thing previous players can do is just be Quiet !!

@johnkretlow4600 Ай бұрын

Spanish speaker, Mexican American, USMNT fan here ! I’ll be the assistant !

@justinbergmans36 Ай бұрын

No. Pulisic is in either squad.

@chamberlainwonder369 Ай бұрын

No, I won't take Christian over clidensey cause clidensey Era and schedules were tougher than today guys, tho today players got a shot to do better if want to buy they are seeing money than the love to the game.

@carlosburbano597 Ай бұрын

Henry made a great point, comparing the 2010 or 2014 squad to the actual one: Pulisic and Robinson are probably the only ones that could make the squad and start. Mckennie is not an athlete that takes care of himself and Adam’s is always injured. Comparing goalies is laughable. I would take Bocanegra and Demerit over Ream and Richards any day of the week. Landon, Clint, Howard, heck even Bradley were more athletic, passionate and played their hearts out when playing with a US Jersey. I only put Robinson because we have never had a real LB and Bradley used Bornstein and Klinnsmann used Beasley. USA of the past beat Spain, Italy, it was 50/50 vs Mexico but played much better squads with Marquez/Guardado/Chicharito who were in their prime. They also played a confederations cup final. This team cannot even beat a bad Wales team with an old Bale.

@PerpetualAbidance Ай бұрын

Ream for Agoos for sure. Maybe Jedi for Hey dude. Maybe Pulisic for Stewart. That’s about it.

@Drone_AdventureMX Ай бұрын

Guys I’m in Mexico. I’m your fan guys. I would love to go. However I heard tickets are sold out.

@jeffedman Ай бұрын

Adams is better than Edu no question. He’s also one of the only current player that matches the fight and energy of old teams

@edgarcastilloarsenal Ай бұрын

Yea, ya’ll let the nostalgia drug take over 💀😂😂😂

@trorisk 25 күн бұрын

Above all, what Thierry Henry says is that the level of MLS has fallen in 10 years. What is reflected at the national level is systemic. Which means that the level of training has fallen.

@bmj4052 Ай бұрын

Damnnnn. Jimmy putting Charlie deep on the bench. No respect 😂

@kdleslie1973 Ай бұрын

Why do people hate the Elo Rankings? They seem more accurate than Fifa rankings.

@craigb8945 Ай бұрын

Berhalter was pumping up Elo when it benefited the US narrative. They are by far more accurate indeed.

@chamberlainwonder369 Ай бұрын

Just like ronaldiho called out the entire Brazil, and said that today's Brazil is not good compared to his time.

@joshlynn3185 Ай бұрын

these guys are delusional Cherundolo deserves it He was better than Donovan in Europe

@joshlynn3185 Ай бұрын

Gentlemen Pulisic at 19 beats Donovan in his prime! Maurice Edu does not rate versus McKennie career Malik Tillman at 22 beats Bradley at 23 Reyna beats Edu as well

@juliosandoval7405 Ай бұрын

We need call it what u want in estadio akron !

@Heavenatwork Ай бұрын

Repeat after me… FIFA rankings are virtually meaningless!… Please stop referring to them as if they are anything more than a marketing exercise for emerging markets…

@kevinkennedy8451 Ай бұрын

we should be around 35

@frazer4737 Ай бұрын

This is an hour of delusion and envy

@petyaklipo7331 Ай бұрын

Charley was good before the accident…

@justjazz784 Ай бұрын

bring back heath pearce

@craig9124 Ай бұрын

bench pulisic? take away the podcast

@joshlynn3185 Ай бұрын

At least 5 kids now start in 2002 7 only Brian McBride and DeMarcus Beasley and maybe Earnie Stewart (and CBs and GK are crash Pulisic over Landon McKennie over O’Brien Dest over Sanneh Robinson over Hedjuk Reyna over Mastroeni Adams over Earnie Stewart CBs Chris Richards and Mark McKenzie should beat Pope and Agoos But CBs are weak now