'It doesn't make sense': Condo debris not covered by FEMA for pickup

FEMA guidelines for debris removal do not include condos or condominiums they are considered commercial enterprises.

[@drew1913]

The guy who said “we are tax payers! We pay HOA fees! There should be money for us.” You said it dude. You pay HOA fees. Your HOA should have money for disasters like this. If they don’t then you may want to check up on your HOA Board. Not the tax payers fault. You signed up for the HOA.

[@LibbyRal]

You conveniently left out the part that he also said he pays taxes. It's not either/or. In this case, it's both.

[@libiure]

@@LibbyRal florida is a 'beggar state' - it receives more federal tax money than it pays in, so the feds owe florida nothing - but he will still get federal money for himself and his personal loses - the feds simply can't afford subsidizing everything - there's a state government that 'can' provide free trash removal - and he pays hoa fees to maintain the property ..

[@drew1913]

@@LibbyRal Are you blind? It’s in the 1st sentence. How FEMA works it is either or. I’m sorry you don’t know how FEMA works. Hopefully you never need them.

[@2flight]

Every year 10 billion of tax dollars goes to rescuing hurricane catastrophes. That ain't chump change. That is the national debt. That is a disgrace, because most of it is preventable, just by better land zoning.

[@neilkurzman4907]

@@2flight The former governor of Florida get rid of those rules. Because people should be allowed to build on their own land without the government standing in their way.

[@belamoure]

Thta is a municipality's responsibility not FEMA, get a life people. Ask your municipal council not FEMA.

[@jvees7916]

@@belamoure so who owns the land the trailers are on? Where I live the trailer parks charge a lot fee for all that it’s not an association an association is for privately owned condo units or a a housing hoa

[@belamoure]

@@jvees7916 Municipality owns it anyways not darling FEMA as rats would proliferate nin the whole area including the privately owned.

[@libiure]

@@jvees7916 the person or corporation that owns the property that profits from renting the lots is responsible for trash removal - the government can't afford to subsidize everything ..

[@freddyrodriguez4732]

I know, this media thing is so fucking weird. Meanwhile there are people in mobile home parks in places like Ruskin entirely destroyed but they’re not reporting on them lol😂😂😂😂 it’s all ragebait

[@taramcdonough3599]

you clearly are not eduated. The Federal govt will pick up all the debris in the first 90 days after a storm. This is why Gov Desantos ORDERED the St Pete gov to open back up the land fills so that the Federal gov would pick up the debris and the local citizens would not have to pay for this aspect.

[@MS-ty8eq]

These rich people want the taxpayers to pay for debris removal so they can live on a barrier Island. No way babies it's time to pay up if you want to live next to the Gulf

[@freddyrodriguez4732]

This is a bit out of control. They have the means to use a pickup and diy themselves. I’m just pissed over shit like this when you see what fema is still nto funding or the way they’re ignoring trailer parks in non city areas. Then, these same people are like “you have to pay your $17k in student debt twenty years later because we re not communists, be responsible and so on, oh and also. You can’t have Obamacare subsidies” like , fuck the commies, until it AFFECTS MY LIFE huh?! Now that *I* have to get off my ass and do something, it’s okay to use government resources? That’s it, then? Nice to know.

[@leohorishny9561]

Yup. These decisions are DECADES overdue!

[@BunnyMan-ec4xg]

Exactly. Most of these are AirBnB. They are not residences, they are money making businesses.

[@dragoonseye76]

HOAs are responsible for this. Not FEMA. This is one of the major points of doing an HOA. That’s what the HOA fees are for

[@thewatchmen4920]

Report this to gov Santos. He will solve the problems. I have 100% faith in him.

[@leohorishny9561]

No doubt. He’s ALL about “common sense”. He’ll just pull on his white boots and get. it. done.

[@stcroixliberal]

He could send drag queens to help. Oh he done already Burnt that bridge. Ok?

[@sandragiven4752]

😂😂😂

[@tommyrobinetti7180]

Absolutely TOU-FUCKIN-CHE'!! Thank you!

[@juliethompson8685]

FEMA is not meant for that.

[@b.m.k20fun86]

Came here to say that like it's common sense and maybe they should get on the governor

[@MommaRapper]

do you have a HOA - maybe check through them - they should be able to pay for collection and removal

[@woodser1765]

My CDD is forcing residents to dispose of the debris personally. But if I live in the county or city limits they would take care of it.

[@rambob69]

Don’t buy a condo in Florida…let that be a lesson to you…

[@SamWilkinsonn]

Don’t live there in general

[@UncleDavesKitchen]

@@SamWilkinsonn absolutely true. I left after hurricane Andrew and never been in a storm in the past 32 years after that. why build on a barrier reef, or the beach of a hurricane alley peninsula? Why should the government pay for this clean up. Fools choose to build and live here, they need to pay the costs and do the work. Be the little pig that built the house of brick on solid ground, not the pigs that built houses of straw and sticks. We were taught this as children to make better life decisions.

[@KennethGreenCMP]

Florida is wild - We hate Big Government and Socialism. Why doesn't Big Government help us and give us "free" money. Gov Ron is already giving out "free" gas, ask him for "free" housing too. While I do feel sorry for the lost, why should tax payers pay for your choice to live by the ocean? Private Profits / Public Losses.

[@sandragiven4752]

Exactly!

[@danielwymer1580]

Mobile home parks are full of poor people, they would buy a real house if they had the money! Yet FEMA will not pick up their trash after hurricane, these parks all have an association, so it’s considered commercial, and they have to pay out-of-pocket to get all that trash removed, while rich people on barrier islands, get theirs removed for free !

[@jvees7916]

They don’t have an association what are you talking about? Most trailer parks are privately owned and the people own their trailer and rent the land and pay for sewer and water and utilities. What are you talking about?

[@danielwymer1580]

@@jvees7916 I said they do have an association, they pay a monthly fee to the association, and the water and trash is included! After hurricane Ian, they had mountains of trash in that mobile home, park, and FEMA would not pick it up, it was on the news locally ! Also, in this particular mobile home park they own the land but it’s probably considered association common ground. ! there was a major assessment from the association to each homeowner to get the trash removed !! mostly poor retirees in that park and they could not afford that assessment ! but FEMA will happily go out to Sanibel island and pick up the hurricane trash

[@jvees7916]

@@danielwymer1580 no you are wrong about that

[@steven4315]

@@jvees7916 He could be right, some trailer parks are owned by the people living in the trailers.

[@jvees7916]

@@steven4315 do you have any sources for that information?

[@patrickm6012]

Let the association handle it.

[@neilkurzman4907]

FEMA doesn’t have a thought process. FEMA has a law that they must follow. Talk to your Congress people to get it amended

[@tonyburzio4107]

No, FEMA makes stuff up by themselves. They all it regulations.

[@rickv5833]

With the constant reoccurring natural disasters over the past decade. Why have states not figured out what fema will do and not do and fill in the holes, then also change how fema works.

[@leiag201]

Everyone wants little government, no taxes, and leave us the hell alone, until a catastrophie. Then they're crying FEMA isn't doing enough and where is Kum ala and all that. There you go Republikkkans you got your wish. Now call your hero culture war governor to come help you

[@BunnyMan-ec4xg]

Exactly. Getting help from the government is socialism. I thought they hated socialism.

[@JohnD6280]

Why is EVERYONE focusing on FEMA and not themselves? People, get your heads out of the FEMA bag and get to work!

[@frankblangeard8865]

Sort the debris into piles of plastic, glass, metal, wood, paper/cardboard etc. so that it can be recycled. 😟Just dumping it into a landfill would be criminal.

[@TheWillvoss]

Electronics too, lots of those little batteries in vapes and other things are ticking time bombs.

[@DRJ-ytp]

Please read your insurance policies! Whether you are a homeowner or business owner, know what your insurance policy covers.

[@Dragonfly657]

I bet over half that garbage is salvageable…throw it out the insurance will pay.

[@LibbyRal]

So you'd live in a house filled with furniture that marinated in salt water with a garnish of sewage and other germs that festered in the flood waters? Go help yourself to what's out on the streets and refurnish your home. I dare you.

[@ronbennett7885]

If it was, the piles would be much smaller by now. That doesn't seem to be happening. I get what you are saying, but labor costs doesn't make it worthwhile.

[@robinsymonds5353]

Multi million dollar condos? You pick up the tab

[@cathycharron-folsom4504]

Condo are purchased and maintained by corporations or businesses. I believe they show up as tax write offs for businesses. I am not sure if condo owners pay insurance for unit but only personnel property. Like man stated in this video there might be a difference in state laws and federal laws just like abortion issues. So people should get removal done by state resources.

[@scrumtrellecent]

i think they pay for insurance for the interior of their unit. The exterior insurance is covered in monthly fees to the strata/hoa

[@DA-dt6fd]

You want to live by the water pay the price

[@LibbyRal]

Two issues here - 1) Hotels on the beach that support one of the major economies for Pinellas, which helps you pay less tax. 2) Condos everywhere in the county who aren't eligible for FEMA assistance, because they are being categorized as commercial enterprises like the hotels. Just because they used homes on the beach as an example, doesn't mean that the rules stopped there. And while you're grousing about the rich, did you get the part where the people whose damage exceeds 50% aren't going to be allowed to rebuild without meeting code? Your richy rich buddies is Tally have made sure that insurance won't pay for that, so just who do you think will benefit in the end? The rich folk who'll move in for the kill in a land grab like was attempted in New Orleans after Katrina

[@6ftNaturalBeauty]

Handles in HOA fees are utterly ridiculous. You have to be a fool to move into a property with such fees unless your rich or wealthy and money is of no object.

[@Jacksonzole57]

Am I wrong that these houses should be built up?

[@daveassanowicz186]

Not at all

[@5m0k3y9]

WHAT? Is this your FIRST hurricane? FFS Damn Snowflakes with too much money already want free service! Those condos start @ $1 million or more per unit for small ones!

[@UncleDavesKitchen]

why build on a barrier reef, or the beach of a hurricane alley peninsula? Why should the government pay for this clean up. Fools choose to build and live here, they need to pay the costs and do the work. Be the little pig that built the house of brick on solid ground, not the pigs that built houses of straw and sticks. We were taught this as children to make better life decisions.

[@AlmaTheSojourner]

Not a penny of HOA fees go to the Feds, there's a lot that guy doesn't understand, I hope his ignorance is not representative of most people in Florida. And why isn't the HOA helping members navigate this issue?

[@lizs502]

If condo buildings are commercial then presumably the condo owners were not paying for FEMA insurance (unless their building had a commercial property policy), so why would they expect FEMA to pay? I lived in a floodplain in the midwest and FEMA insurance was very expensive so unless the bank had a mortgage and required it, most people didn't pay to have it. We had a big flood and it turned out the towns and cities in Nebraska condemned any property that had 50% damage, irregardless of the owner's insurance situation, maybe that is just standard practice.

[@larryricketts6546]

FEMA is not responsible for debris removal. It’s why you have insurance.

[@neilkurzman4907]

It’s a condo so their insurance only covers the interior. The condom itself has an insurance policy. But who knows what that covers and what their deductible is

[@Markham12thcentury]

I thought it's why we had local dumps and trash pickup. Oh wait. They're county employees so they don't actually have to DO their jobs. I keep forgetting that.

[@libiure]

condos are residential housing - as are hotels - but most condos are rentals owned by corporations - as the 'realtor for 45 years' should know ..

[@tomconley2458]

I would think the Condo Master Insurance Policy would include debris removal included in it

[@Sarpack]

The reason FEMA considers condominiums commercial buildings is because of the insurance and the fact that the HOA covers to me the maintenance

[@72stones43]

Realtors = shysters.

[@ronbennett7885]

The various rumors going around about FEMA are mostly false, but situations like this is why so many are skeptical. FEMA doesn't seem to be looking out for the average person seeking help. Rather they come across as unhelpful and preventing rebuilding. Which then makes some wonder if there are other forces at work, such as developers seeking highly sought locations for cheap.

[@countbenjamin1442]

To the residents who said Florida considers it a residential well guess what? FEMA is not Florida only. It's Federal. Also, the vast majority of the United States does not want to pay for it through our taxes. You have an HOA due you can pay for it. Your private insurance can pay for it. Don't rely on the federal government and remember 11:11, Florida politicians voted not to fund FEMA that much so might want to talk to your politicians on the federal level

[@rtyhhas]

I dont want to fund killing babies and illegal aliens .So whats your point????

[@ernestconnell8087]

Condos, commercial entities? Uh no Mr government.

[@scrumtrellecent]

not defending it but unfortunately, they are considered commercial. It wouldn't surprise me if a duplex is considered commercial. I owned one side of a duplex. I was surprised to hear from both the realtor, the neighbor and insurance that we were indeed considered a strata.

[@ernestconnell8087]

@@scrumtrellecent They may consider it that way, but in reality it’s not. Government idiocy at work.

[@scrumtrellecent]

@@ernestconnell8087 How So ?

[@AdrianMunch]

I don’t understand how building along shorelines was ever allowed, Should be all federal parkland,

[@derrill7079]

It’s a time bomb living there! With warnings for years!

[@janetmitchell4452]

Talk to Matt and Ron. Matt voted Against funding. Ask him for the money.

[@TheBowersj]

Hotels, especially corporate hotels suck wealth away from communities, the better approach is to let homeowners rent their homes as vacation rentals as they are the highest earners, they are taxed, and they hire subcontractors to clean and take care of their property which pays generously compared to the lowest wages from a corporate hotel chain.

[@charleshinton8565]

sorry but the stuff goes to local dumps. thats the city or states responcibilty

[@Bradimoose]

Shouldn't the HOA dues go towards pickign up the trash? it's maintenance.

[@Kathyak]

If you live in a flood zone why should FEMA have to pay?

[@brianblithe2271]

Not paying people that need the money for as low as a hundred bucks is ridiculous.

[@dragoonseye76]

That makes sense.

[@youtubecontractor]

Homeowners have to pay‼️ It’s not free to remove ‼️

[@bobcaygeon975]

No bailouts. These condos are governed by wealthy old jeus. Let them figure it out.

[@LibbyRal]

How to say you're a bitter jew-hater without saying you're a bitter jew-hater.

[@deepblue523fl]

Don't be late for your klan rally troll

[@danielrandolph9170]

HOA CONDO PAY FOR THEIR OWN HURRICANE TRASH PICKUP THEY CHARGE ENOUGH TO THE OWNERS !!

[@neilkurzman4907]

Yeah, that’s Florida. Turns out they did not charge them enough money. That’s why a lot of them are in the news for common char increase, and having to fund their reserves.

[@DA-dt6fd]

Just so you know I do live in Florida

[@norm2264]

Maybe they can let everything dry out and then recycle everything let Goodwill sell it

[@jpjh8844]

You act like this is a new thing! These rules have been in place for decades, Florida knows this!

[@jerryaustin9115]

Call your governor

[@BunnyMan-ec4xg]

Getting help from fema is socialism.

[@daviddruggish271]

Greed strikes again.

[@TenderGiggles]

You're in an overpriced apartment!

[@jvees7916]

Deal with it suckers!

[@edg8535]

FEMA is playing games.

[@Dewayne-j2z]

Were being occupied from within.

[@SolarizeYourLife]

Blah blah blah, why do you keep building in a constantly storm destroyed area???

[@carolynwheaton9884]

That is crazy.Condo is residential.Fema becoming to picky.With increasing hurricanes.

[@countbenjamin1442]

Not per federal guidelines that govern FEMA's operations

[@1965sarrata]

Wel come to 🍌 junkyard Florida!

[@qstaratma9096]

😂😂😂😂😂😂 Not surprised…

[@vinnyboombache3413]

Blame all of your blood sucking HOA’s….

[@kevinbuchanan7045]

pay for my travel and I will help don't need fema

[@abelincoln3261]

You people must be MAGAs ... why would FEMA be responsible for the debris pick up at a private HOA condo community... . that's a HOA condo issue - county - city - state issue.. you folks really need few classes in logical thinking... common sense.

[@MarkSmith-ln8oz]

LMFAO

[@x-raycat323]

FEMA spends most of the money on FEMA hiring and FEMA equipment

[@neilkurzman4907]

And you spend most of your time longing about FEMA you have no idea what they do or what they’re supposed to do. But you figured hey let me lie about the government. Maybe that can get my candidate elected

[@countbenjamin1442]

So how do you want the FEMA people to do anything if they're not buying equipment and to hire the people you expect? FEMA staff to work for free and to walk to sites?

[@tommyrobinetti7180]

Why aren't these tenants being fined thousands of dollars a day for this unsightly debris by the HOA? Or why aren't the tenants charging the HOA thousands of dollars a day for this unsightly debris? Why should WE pick up the tab for the rich? I have no sympathy for ANY of you. You KNEW the potential danger of living on the water. Smart people don't live on the water..rich people do.