It Happened! Elon Musk Revealed Crazy Concept Battery LTO, That Break All Industry!

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It Happened! Elon Musk Revealed Crazy Concept Battery LTO, That Break All Industry!
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Their final product is a new battery with a life cycle of up to 30,000 cycles equivalent to 82 years and optimize the charging time 10 minutes.
So what type of battery is being mentioned? How does it play an inevitable role in the transformation of this industry?
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Lithium titanate battery (LTO)- the chemical formula is Li2TiO3 and the anode material is lithium titanate. It is a rechargeable battery that has the advantage of charging faster and longer life cycle than other lithium-ion batteries.
The first question is, what are the pricing advantages of LTO batteries?
To highlight the price advantages,making comparisons between the same voltage of 40 Ah 3.2V the price of LTO battery is 38.70 USD which is nearly 10.00 USD cheaper when compared to the price of 48.58 USD lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4) battery. In addition, you will save 13.95 USD by purchasing an electric car by using an LTO battery instead of a car using a lithium-ion battery for 52.65 USD. To be honest, the price of electric vehicles will be influenced by reducing battery prices. Therefore, when a product is powered by any type of battery, the price of that battery determines the price of the product.
So, what stands out about the life cycle of LTO batteries?
It Happened! Elon Musk Revealed Crazy Concept Battery LTO, That Break All Industry!

[@bigbiscuit6751]

Us car audio guys love using this battery!!!

[@herbertwerner2287]

Well I can copy and paste that also but just because a company selling LTO batteries says something doesn't always mean its true. However in this case it may very well be true.

[@teaernuk]

LTO cells are good in the buses as they can be charged quickly when picking up people at the bus stop every few miles. I do use the 30AH * 2.3v cells for solar storage at home as I wanted a safe battery. I ordered direct from China to Uk which took about 12 weeks to be delivered. Worked out a lot cheaper than buying them in the Uk. I got 48 in total, each one holding up to 69watts, very heavy so no good for cars. I ordered in 3 batches when we had Brexit and customs rules and fees had been relaxed so I did not have to pay any taxes or import duties. 2 of the cells have leaked.

[@thegeneralist7527]

I suspected there was a drawback.

[@pravindahiya719]

can you please tell more about the leaks ! i was also looking for safer batteries with high number of cycles . Thanks.

[@kalpeshakbari]

please can you give me your personal contact number for more info and discuss on lithium

[@mazda2284]

@@thegeneralist7527 leaking cells are either due to shipping or bad cells to begin with. Many China suppliers sell cells that are to be recycled

[@ClausMallorca]

​@@pravindahiya719 they will leak when being overcharged! This happened to me, because a failure of charge controller

[@christopherleubner6633]

These batteries are closer to supercapacitors than batteries in charge and discharge characteristics. Combine them with a conventional deep cycle tech to give a high energy punch when and where needed. Solar pump starting is one example.

[@joseeoliviero6078]

A typical KZbin video makes everything sound so good and never tells the other side. On the market for over 8 years and auto makers still not using

[@pravindahiya719]

because it is 1) very heavy. 2) LTO has upper & lower voltages of 2.9 V & 1.5 V , needing separate cut off systems to protect over charge / over discharge & also fully utilise its capacity. you simply can't replace a 72 volt Li ion / Lead Acid system with a 72 V LTO system.

[@joseeoliviero6078]

@@pravindahiya719 Yes, so my point is valid. LTO is not something Elon is reveling as the end of Lithium which is what the title is suggesting. False title to the video so that people will watch but has nothing to do with Elon/Tesla. Therefore, not worthy of subscribing.

[@gordonwybo898]

This has the potential to make cross country trips in an EV!!! You can charge it in the same time frame as filling a gasoline tank on your car. It also makes a solar powered home more affordable without having to replace batteries every 5-7 years and eliminates the inherent fire risk associated with Li batteries. Their ability to dump large quantities of energy quickly also makes it possible to use in a shop where machinery like welders are used. The biggest challenge will be finding solar panels that will produce more efficient electricity per square meter of surface to keep the batteries recharged without requiring a large field of panels to do so!!

[@fisherus]

Toshiba has been making LTO batteries for over 30 years. I bought 40 batteries out of 1991 Honda Fits that were still holding a minimum of 97% of original charge. I am using them on my off-grid farm in North Idaho. I had to build a new system after my previous system using LIPO caught fire from charging them at -29C that was too cold to be charging them. I have charged my LTO battery bank as low as - 52C without any problems. In the winter months my battery bank stays fully charged due to the high C rate.

[@nedmilburn]

This is EXTREMELY interesting!! The high intensity heat when a Lipo battery flames out is tremendously frightening!! I can't imagine if all our vehicles were running standard modern lithium batteries.

[@enigmavariations3809]

Why did Honda Fits have LTO batteries in them?

[@rajarampatel601]

Where to buy?

[@paulrubright5075]

​@@nedmilburn 14:36

[@nedmilburn]

@@paulrubright5075 ??? I don't understand your comment...

[@travisarnett9558]

Those LTO cells are great for high discharge. I made a 12V pack of them for testing and comparison. They make a great starting battery for gasoline or diesel engines. As far as for a BEV? You would need a trailer behind your tow vehicle to power it. Just waaay to low on density.

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Thanks!

[@RossDrum]

I just ordered a ready-made pack from Jeffs for my UPS. Can't wait.

[@mal7344]

That Doesn't Seem To Be A True Statement

[@mazda2284]

@@mal7344 its not true . They actually use the cells in buses and in heavy equipment often in China and they are also sold in EV cars in certain regions Mitsubishi uses them in their cars so what this guy is saying is untrue

[@maximosh]

Yes, LTO batteries have a lower energy density than other types of batteries, just 177 Watt hours per kilogram. Whereas CATL claim to be producing other batteries with 500 Wh/Kg.

[@HepCatJack]

The lithium is needed because batteries are needed not because people like using lithium. Which means that longer term the Sodium-ion batteries are likely to do well at least for a while.

[@petenikolic5244]

Elon will be the one to beat the resat again

[@sylvainlaurin1012]

LTO battery may be a long lasting battery but the disadvantage is its low energy density. It is about 110 Wh/kg while CATL is coming with it's 500 Wh/kg battery. So LTO battery won't break anything !!!

[@TheDarinseng]

For stationary usage is where the real value is.

[@-danR]

Why even talk about this video? It's full of mistakes dumber than a bag full of wet hammers: "which is 60 times more than competitive lithium-ion technology like *lead acid* ... "

[@xhobv02]

The main disadvantage of LTO is the high price due to titanate, which is much more expensive than iron in LFP.

[@michaeld5888]

KZbin is an endless conveyor belt where you read today of the breakthrough that breaks everything that was a breakthrough yesterday but is inevitably doomed to be broken itself tomorrow. So it goes on. if we could power the world on this youtube clickbait breakthrough huff and puff we would have no problems.

[@Dana5775]

@@-danR yes I felt the presenter was not familiar with the subject!

[@thrunsalmighty6863]

This must be the holy grail of battery production. I don't see how it can be improved upon. The only thing that remains is for Western countries to manufacture the batteries themselves. We really must stop relying on China to sell us our own technology.

[@pambinbjozon7505]

We're initiatiating micro step to filled the journey to universe and exile to second earth for more wisdom to stored infinite minds principles and laws to follows. But never neglect the GOOD DEEDS where its based. From the beginning to SAVES MORE LIVES.

[@roderickbals1230]

I wish the batteries were made in the USA.

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Let confident! In our commercialized market, whenever you need it, it will be ready to serve your requirement wherever it is manufactured.

Toshiba SCiB, YinLong batteries and Mitsubishi iMiEV and Citroen C-Zero was the cars with LTO batteries as well as TfL busses from BYD were using LTO batteries as well for years.

[@rjherb5895]

I'm wondering if these LTO batteries will be available for e-bikes?

[@marsBeBelinda]

😊 yeah the New York times has the most recent publication to turn over its editorial column to the aerospace engineers that created the company for several years now helping Toshiba with toshiba's provide their selves specifically to micromobility including electric bicycles and especially UNICYCLES. AFTER MANY MIDDLEMAN AND MARCUS IT'S JUST THREE FIGURES EXTRA OP THE BIKES THAT ARE OFTEN OVER$10,000. SCHWINN UNDERSTOOD THE VALUE OF A SMALL ELECTRIC BATTERY FOR THOSE WHO CAN'T PEDDLE UPHILL WHICH IS BASICALLY EVERYBODY IN PLACES LIKE SAN FRANCISCO IF YOU WANT TO GO FASTER THAN WALKING SPEED. But is this video Mansions once the audience which was my bike buyers saw the battery cell it was pulled from the micro mobility market and all but Japan. So imagine our fellow mammals flying small or not bats. To the car industry they can be vampires indeed. The Google AI system provides a link p to the website of Mazda to prove that it is using the Toshiba Titan aid batteries for the Mazda SUV in the United Kingdom & Bard also says that although it's not produced by Toshiba several German e-bike makers since 2020 have used LTo. Like the maker of this video Google is delusional however. Don't believe something is true just because they give you a website they provided a website because people provide websites when they're trying to prove something and has nothing to do with whether what you're trying to prove exists. It is possible because it is the way it should be. I don't know about the figures at the beginning of this video they seem completely based upon actual cost of holding overtime. Titanium is not cheap and its price as little to do with nanocrystals of its oxide it's your mainly a similar-sounding name. The specifications that I provide in this video are not for Toshiba not for its past. Toshiba's excellence requires a company like zapbatt. Please support.

[@rolandpodevyn2841]

the BMW C evolution scooter uses them

[@damien2339]

There are pros and cons in everything in life, this video should have mentionned the cons to be fair. And the question is: why Tesla didn't put them in their vehicles sooner if it's in use in China since 2015?

[@pravindahiya719]

heavy ! o.k. for buses , not for cars in the USA ( needing looong ranges ).

[@ceeg0865]

I like the recharge times but will the range improve, and what about the cost in weight are they lighter or heavier. These important questions need to be answered.

[@RandallJakub]

LTO has low energy density so with the range, not really. About the weight to size Im not sure.

[@pravindahiya719]

you can't charge at 10 minutes on a regular basis. will give 20,000 cycles only if charged / discharged at 2C ( i.e. half an hour ). it is very heavy , having a charge density of 76 wh / kg as compared to 200-300 Wh / kg for NMC / LFP cells.

[@pravindahiya719]

@David Rapp charging / discharging @ 10 C is possible but only for very short durations & also at a cost of reduced life cycles. LTO gives 20,000 cycles at 2C.

[@RandallJakub]

@@pravindahiya719 you're right with the cycles at this fast charging, but I guess most of the people would still charge at home - slowly. And only on big trips like going on holidays or just some long trip you would use that 10min charging.

[@watchthe1369]

There is a huge deposit of lithium near that Nevada battery factory.

[@ge45gecalled39]

love the idea

[@stanleydsouza6723]

Heartiest Thanksgiving, with Our Prayers to Most Respected Sir Elon Musk delivering technological marvels, man-made on this beautiful Earth 🌎..May God Almighty Bless you and Protect you for generations and glory to come.

[@ghz24]

Elon had nothing to do with these batteries.

[@vincenzodigrande2070]

Building a battery to age inside a car, or a car that ages around a battery is a stupid idea in the first place, the future is swapping! Whether that be swapping the whole battery, or electrodes is up to debate. This has a whole plethora of advantages, such as making it independent of the car value, safety in case of fires is better when you can isolate the battery, being able to store energy from green sources, zero charging time for the end user, lower vehicle weight if you can choose a light battery for daily grocery hauling, and a heavier one only when longer rides are required. High speed charging also puts massive load on the electrical net, it just does not make sense to do that for a large amount of vehicles...period....

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Thanks for your idea!

[@jpmackin]

Nice..

[@leserickson7057]

What is the range expectation for electric trucks and cars, and buses? Please talk more about that. Is this american technology or foreign?

[@daveulmer]

Did you know LTO batteries are used in disposable electronic cigarettes? Because of thier low leakage rate and high current output capacity.

[@ghz24]

No those are regular lithium polymer pouch cells. They even say 3.6 or sometimes 3.7 volts on them. I've dissected dozens of different types all had regular pouch cells.

[@stephenwhite3632]

Fully charged in 10 minutes sounds great and lasting 82 years is icing on the cake, but you didn't mention range. If you can only go around the black before your out of juice, that's not so good. If you can fully charge in ten minutes and have a range of 750 miles plus. Now your talking!!

[@ghz24]

Range isn't a function of battery chemistry but battery capacity. For the same mass or volume these will not get as much range as a standard lithium ion. Range is over emphasized 100 miles is completely adequate for most peoples everyday use.

[@glenholland9781]

Definite great stationary power system to say the least!

[@RossDrum]

With longer lasting batteries there will be fewer replacements and thus lithium reserves will last longer.

[@HairyCheese]

Once we reach a circular economy lithium may not need to come out of the ground/water. Sure, that could take 40+ years as we're finding more and more products to make & those pesky batteries are lasting too long in cars as well as in 2nd life .... 2nd life means sodium batteries are getting a leg up

[@Lachmangyawaly]

Love lto

[@CharlesNewkirk-lb6uh]

Does each cell have its own battery management system?

[@235buz]

Nuclear diamond batteries are the way to go.

[@235buz]

years away, and they won't be cheap or available to the public.

[@lmwlmw4468]

10 min to recharge ..... that's much better, now I can at last look at an EV...!!! Now let's hope it goes into the EV market .......... like ...... yesterday as I'm in the mood to buy any EV that takes 4 hours to charge...!!!

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Thanks!

[@mwhi475]

Lots of the usual bull about cost and recharging time. However, what they don't tell you is that very few public chargers can handle that sort of fast charge and of course the silence over the range these batteries offer is deafening. Despite this so called miracle advance, an EV is still only for the gullible with big pockets that have bought into this net zet zero nonsense.

[@pravindahiya719]

with 20,000 cycles , the batteries won't need a replacement . so , they are for the masses. disadvantage is - very heavy i.e. short ranges. can't charge in 6 minutes as claimed - will reduce life.

[@watchthe1369]

Lithium in Tonopah?! Near the Sparks battery factory. That part of Nevada is also mining country. Talk about mysterious ways.

[@gary.richardson]

Is this battery on the new performance chart?

[@leserickson7057]

This battery might work well in the Tesla Semi in colder climates, range was not discussed in this video, which is to bad.

[@MarcoGuglielmini-o2f]

This is the first time I hear that LTO batteries are less expensive than LFP, and I am quite confident it is 100% false!

[@ghz24]

That's because they aren't they are at least twice as expensive as LiFePO4. And finding a bms is a pain.

[@brucel.2919]

is this company being traded on NASDAQ? if so whats the ticker?

[@TeslaCarWorld]

As far as we study, Yinlong Energy Ltd is not traded on NASDAQ.

[@brucel.2919]

thanks.

[@williamgidrewicz4775]

Maybe by using some sort of graphene quantum dots doped with some elements!?

[@michaelstevens3479]

So as they improve millions of old style batteries will have to be dealt with?

[@paulsutton5896]

In the video, when the LTO batteries were being handled, they did not look very heavy. Yet the are, apparently.

[@mikejones-vd3fg]

very cool

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Thanks!

[@donnymeyer1984]

This video needs some technical review and corrections. Almost incoherent.

[@Kumodot]

LTO batteries exists for decades.

[@allenmorseiii295]

This will clearly help us with our mobile devices, (tablet & smartphone), because charging may come down to a mere 10-minute charge instead of 2-hours from empty. As far as electric cars are concerned, they have serious problems in the middle of winter in say Michigan. That problem will end up not being a problem. I've never had a lithium-ion battery explode orgo into thermal runaway, but I know people this has happened to. This is where the electric car will come into it's own, when charging times significantly drop and sustained output in a very large temperature bracket will now be possible.

[@TeslaCarWorld]

That's right. Battery quality needs to be improved and optimized as much as possible to ensure the safety of consumers.

[@u3b93]

Its the same chemistry Apple was intending to use in its EV!!!

[@flitsies]

This is great, so how do i get my hands on some for my bike? Can i go to a Tesla show room and order a box? Probably not so until they are on sale and i can buy some it's pie in the sky.

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Oh, it's not necessary because you just order it, the e-commerce platforms will bring it home for you.

[@flitsies]

@@TeslaCarWorld Where do I order them, and presumably they are competitive in price.

[@jonathanfreyone526]

How much range will a car have with this kind of battery?

[@dannyboy6021]

Given the energy density of a LTO battery in comparason with the LI-ION it would be 1/3 of the current range, because LTO has 110Wh per kg and LI-ION 270Wh per kg energy density factor

[@jonathanfreyone526]

@@dannyboy6021 in that case they might have to combine different types of batteries to gain more range. Elon Musk has already eluded to it.

[@w8stral]

Its energy density is pittiful. Its charging efficiency is same as lead acid(pitiful). You will not see this in a car unless there is a MASSIVE breathrough in the type of battery.

[@pravindahiya719]

@@dannyboy6021 it is 76 Wh / kg , not 110 Wh /kg. 40Ah × 2.3 V ÷ 1.2kg = 76.67 Wh / kg

[@dannyboy2715]

@@pravindahiya719 there is no exact energy density it may vary depending on the production process but the top density for this chemistry is around 110Wh per kg at the moment

[@stephenwhite3632]

You forgot one important aspect! Range? How many miles between charges!

[@andreinastase1604]

And my property is rich in lithium and I received a note of planned mining on it

[@tmasaitis]

...Yinlong, - they provide 8 years warranty for the battery, and the battery will last 82 years ?? so, why warranty is only 8 years ??

[@dinotom1]

You do realize Lithium prices have cratered in the past few months

[@0Aus]

It won't remind that way! We can't get it out of the ground quick enough.

[@CraftySasquatch]

Meanwhile Tesla raised the price of their cars once again.

[@bindiberry6280]

How about store Solar energy into gravity with tall buildings, long bridges, and hill sides infrastructure?!!

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Because LTO batteries are flexible and small in size, this is feasible. To meet your demands, you can design them into your battery system. In reality, you may see it being utilized as a battery bank in solar cell systems installed on slopes or in deserts in the highlands throughout America.

[@chriskwakernaat2328]

how do they compare to sodium ion batteries? (in kw per kilo)

[@jamescarlisle3770]

Sounds like lithium titanate is the best thing coming down the road😅

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Yes! That's true!

[@sjhaji]

Yep sir

[@tomladdus9264]

Talk to me again when we don't let all LTO battery production happen in China.

[@GraditelMacedonia]

Now staying only to invent power for charging that batteries...

[@kimkracht8936]

Great job Cowboy

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Thanks.

[@jacobuszwanenburg1629]

Elon musk costs have gone to no end the headline should read Leaders bought into his battery car when there are much cleaner alternatives.

[@raybearden9594]

I was good until about 12 min in. Not flamable at all? They still have lithium which burns when in contact with water. How does adding titanium reduce the cost again?

[@ghz24]

None of the rechargeable lithium batteries have free elemental lithium metal. Yes they are nonflamable.

[@emilgil1490]

It's 19.02.2024 and LTO got instead of price very long prime number that just'been discovered... Li-Na are 20 times more expensive than chip Li-ion, per Wh.

[@Geophoto63]

Sound pretty good but but, some many video and news come from China where many EV explote in the mddle of street cause tragic accidente.. Good look !!

[@ghz24]

Lto will not explode or even burn.

[@govindnram8556]

In India at least 15 million tonnes of Lithium and plenty of Titanium oxide occurs, waiting for exploitation by expert firms.

[@pravindahiya719]

it is useful but this video exaggerated a bit ! they can be dis /charged at 10 C but for very short durations. gives 20,000 cycles ( even the manufacturers Yinlong & Toshiba claim 20,000 & not 30,000 ). those cycles are given if dis/ charged at 2C ( i.e. 1/2 hour charging / discharging time ) , faster rates reduces the life cycles. another disadvantage is - heavy . so, we need to put a lot of very high power ( 50 - 70 kW ) , charging stations on highways at say a gap of 40-50 km.

[@markf350s]

Nice work, Elon nobody else cares to try and save the planet. We see you doing something.

[@TerBap]

May coal ba Yan? Pag over heat at charge Yan ma drain, Baka mag apoy na s ilalim popotok

[@duanejahn2368]

This video seems like it was made 2 years ago and seems irrelevant in light of newer battery tech.

[@leoyoung7547]

Centigrade is a temperature measurement system where there are 100 steps. Celsius is a centigrade system that uses the freezing point of (fresh) water as 0˚ and the boiling point of water (at sea level) as 100˚

[@-danR]

Naw, they are the same. Celsius invented the centigrade scale specifically bookended by those points, and it was later named in his honor. Centigrade: " relating to, conforming to, or having a thermometer scale on which the interval between the freezing and boiling points of water is divided into 100 degrees with 0° representing the freezing point and 100° the boiling point." Merriam-Webster

[@rogercamargo2683]

How will this affect the tesla power wall?

[@TeslaCarWorld]

It will strengthen the power wall even more and enhance the amount of energy that can be used from the battery.

[@rogercamargo2683]

@@TeslaCarWorld That's good news. Thank you.

[@kerrysullivan6294]

Did you start testing this 82 year battery back in 1940?

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Scientists from decades past have left us their research findings, which allow us to develop and improve even more in the present to meet the expanding demands of humanity.

[@leifsalomonsson5426]

@@TeslaCarWorld Nice AI response

[@zapszapper9105]

Cash cow for those who control the latest battery technologies, Sodium ion and Lithium-titanium and guess who CHINA

[@thomfult7956]

Large cell, only 2.3 volts and nothing said about weight.

[@TeslaCarWorld]

The combined mass of the anode and cathode determines the weight of the brine battery. One liter of salt water, for instance, has an anode and cathode combined mass of 1,241 kg, giving it a theoretical energy density of 368 Wh kg-1. Theoretically, a battery with 6 M seawater would have an energy density of 423 Wh kg.

[@yolo_burrito]

What do you think the L is in LTO?

[@rogerkant3696]

LTO batteries are not being made or used by Tesla and in fact Tesla has been championing LFP or Lithium Iron Phosphate as its next gen battery. Also, you might note that the market for Titanium is dominated by our China. Overall, this does not seem a win and either sodium or Iron Phosphate would be more advantageous chemistries from a supply flexibility perspective.

[@ernieschatz3783]

This is very misleading. This cells are nowhere close to suitable for a battery electric vehicle, and it's a double-jointed stretch to say Elon much "revealed" them. Use them in colder areas where you have plenty of space for the batteries, but don't try them in anything that will travel any distance, much less has wheels. The energy density comparison to LFP was fussy math at best. LTO takes up way more space and will end up weighing much more than LFP for any given storage capacity.

[@jeromedamian5740]

I'm surprised there isn't some other way already then lithium with how fast technology in happening .

[@金品堂]

不不不，这不是最新的技术，你看见电池上的中文标签了吗，这是中国5年前的电容型电池技术，目前容量和寿命应该更好，这也不是超级电容，是电容型电池

[@travis7860]

ya they coming out superbatterys next year 1 min charge 50k cycles --- and lifep04 is double lifespan of lithium and super cheap and safe even hard to beat lifep04... 95% of use case lifep04 can suit.. besides trucking

[@maximosh]

LTO batteries have a lower energy density than other types of batteries, just 177 Watt hours per kilogram. Whereas CATL claim to be producing other batteries with 500 Wh/Kg.

[@TerBap]

Mas maganda parin ang lead acid battery s continues n charge tested na..one month palit Ng electrolite dipendi s pagamit...🫵 Hindi porket mrmi Kna ngawa ISA Ka ng mhosay ..

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Thanks!

[@ghz24]

No

[@FredVanAken-f7l]

Ok so the price of titanium has been low recently but the qhole idea seems fishy bexause Russia is the world leader in titanium exports because all of that particular mineral and in the sixties when Lockheed Skunk works was trying to build the SR-71 the CIA had to buy the needed amount thru an absolutely ridiculous amount of shell companies and we are not exactly best buds with the Kremlin at this time so unless another huge source of titanium has been found that i havent heard of ..well good luck on any type of low price

[@chriswandatownley1]

You do realise that Russia is a major supplier of Titanium, just look into the history of the making of the Lockheed SR 71!

[@daveulmer]

They also make titanium submarines with low magnetic signature.

[@fred8565]

What is the enetrgy density /kg.. you left that part out

[@w8stral]

~100Wh/kg And its charging/discharging efficiency is only 75% (So you only get 50% of the power) In other words it is no different than high end Lead Acid other than its cycle life using vastly more expensive materials.

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Sorry for our missing information. Based on our research, LTO battery has an energy density 110 Wh/kg and its charging/discharging efficiency is over 95%.

[@w8stral]

@@TeslaCarWorld Overall cycle efficiency is NOT 95%, it is ~75%. LTO is wonderful for cycle life and C rate. LTO's actual efficiency varies with C rate. ~85% charge at low C rate and ~95% discharge(low C rate, if high C rate lower than 90% and 75% charge eff if HIGH C rate charge as well) for overall efficiency of around 70% with a maximum around 80%. Everyone who has tested them has shown this to be true. Suggest you research better, this video is pitiful.

[@pravindahiya719]

@@w8stral you don't even listen ! 75 % is the cycle efficiency at low temperatures ( i.e. -30 °C). new LTO , at normal temperature has more than 98 % cycle efficiency. NMC / LFP have a cycle efficiency of approx 75 % at normal temperature. Lead acid has a cycle efficiency of 50 % only. edit : it has a power density of 76 Wh /kg BUT can be charged at 2C ( i.e. 30 min ) & still give 20,000 cycles. 10 C is for very short durations & the producers Yinlong & Toshiba claim 20,000 cycles ( not 30,000 cycles ). but 20,000 is 50+ years if charged once daily. OR 25 years if charged TWICE daily ( taking 30 minutes each ).

[@robertphillips2983]

Fordlandia.......

[@aeoh2000]

THESE GOING BACK TO LITHIUM AGAINST TO SODIUM. CONCLUSION THE BATTERY WILL BECOME MORE EXPENSIVE THE REASON FAST CHARGING INSTEAD OF AN HOUR NEED ONLY TO CHARGE 10 MINS.

[@richardcottone6620]

lithium price is going down

[@ericrodriguez1989]

Forget lithium

[@RexAlfieLee]

Funnily enough Tesla car world has nothing to do with Tesla.

[@DennisHicks78749]

It is time for electric wheelchairs to move away from !sad acid batteries. These LTOs would be an ideal alternative. I would love to switch mine over, but lack the experience to put together a lack and appropriate charger.

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Thanks for your suggestion!

[@ChrisSailor]

Surprise,LTO is much heavier then Lifepo and Li-ion. Voltage is Not all.

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Time will answer all of this batteries !

[@autopilot2393]

LTO batteries are not suitable for EV applications due to: 1st. More expensive compared to traditional Li-ion. Titanium is replacing the carbon and not the lithium as mentioned in the video. 2nd, the energy density is almost half traditional cells which means you will get half range car for the same battery weight.

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Thanks for your opinion. Manufacturers are in the process of testing to get the most out of it.

[@gherbent]

I prefer to charge my car in 20 minutes and have a fire proof battery rather than have 600Miles range with 20 hours of charge, flammable, dangerous in high temperature claimants and failing to give power to my EV in winter time. For me LTO ticks all the check boxes apart from energy density.

[@autopilot2393]

LTO batteries are simply a type of li-ion by replacing graphite Anode with LTO so they are flammable as well just they don’t have SEI layer formation mechanism and thus having a higher lifespan.

[@gherbent]

@@autopilot2393 Yes, they contain flammable materials, as Lithium, Aluminium, but they are not as risky as life phosphate, think as difference between diesel and easy flammable as petrol (gas), liquid gaz, hydrogen.

[@theheilious]

LTO's charge density is too low to replace LiFePo4.

[@brucewrandol]

This Lit-titanium battery sounds great. I live in one of the capitals of car thievery. Both elements sound real exciting to a graduating catalyst thief into a car battery thief. Is their any thought about battery theft and the batteries elements?

[@SuperDirk1965]

Did you hear him start to stutter at around 5:39? That's the moment he's lying. When he lies, he stutters.

[@pravindahiya719]

he lied in the begining - it gives 2.3 volt nominal ; which he deliberately said 3.2 volt in the first half of the video.

[@notyermonkey2134]

What i think is: CHINA now has their own SUPER DOOPA "YINLONG" Battery to Power their Newly Acquired SUPA DOOPA TES-XI EV // sounds rather "SE-XI", (.No???) What stroke of Genius will Elon reveal NEXT😳😛 "SPACE-XI" ?

[@TeslaCarWorld]

Watch for Musk's upcoming surprise! He always provides us quality items that never let us down.

[@douglasalonso2440]

Solo estan gastando miles de millones y mas contaminación tienen qué invertir en desarrollar un motor eléctrico AUTOALIMENTADO si los ingenieros automotrices no pueden o no quieren tal vez la gente comun si

[@ghz24]

No need to invest in something any high school physics student can tell you won't work.

[@travis7860]

LTO expensive and not new and low density and who needs 30,000 cycles if you got 300 miles that 10 million mile life all the value wont be realize unless its like 100 mile range and then you gotta charge more... so doesnt even make sense lol , end of story, -- lifep04 are very cheap and like 3000-5000 cycles more then enough need for lifespan car i think in high use .----- 4680 with lifep04 life and more density is best we can hope------ LTO only is good with autonomous vehicles that charge themselves and have very high daily useage... ide almost go for skeletons superbattery with ultracapacitor tech then lto they charge in only 60 seconds lol

[@TeslaCarWorld]

It takes time for this technology to advance because it is new. It would be unfair to compare it to long-year batteries like the 4680 just yet.

[@gherbent]

skeletons superbattery have very low energy density. 600Miles range is valid only for US, Canada, in Europe we will have less than 100 miles to the charging point and being able to charge it in 20minutes is an advantage over 20hours for the rest. LTO - safe, not flamable, wider operating temperatures, higher peek power, faster charging. I do not wont to be stuck in a flamable car in case of an accident.

[@RogierYou]

Titanium isn’t very abundant either and that price will go up as well once Tesla starts buying it…

[@avibhagan]

i think it is very abundant , Don't believe me ? look around you, do you see paint ? on the walls ? that is all Titanium based . Look around, do you see white plastics ? The white is Titanium . What about your tooth paste ? is it white ? that's also Titanium. unrefined Titanium dioxide is abundant and cheap. ( 6-10 USD a kilo for the expensive high grade stuff). It's about 1-2 USD for the cheap stuff used in drywall plaster and grout. Oh, yeah I forgot, drywall plaster is also about 4-10% TiO2 , to make it white It's also used in food (candy) .

[@avibhagan]

I did a quick search , global output of TiO2 in 2022 was 9.5 million metric tonnes . Titanium METAL is expensive , because of the smelting process to remove the oxygen. But Titanium Oxide is pretty abundant (and therefore cheap)

[@RogierYou]

@@avibhagan Correct, otherwise we would be seeing much more Titanium metal used in cars, planes etc

[@pravindahiya719]

@@avibhagan Russia is the biggest producer . India is the 4th largest producer ! 🙏. Toshiba also produces LTO cells & will start production in India soon ( work already in progress ).

[@tonywood4992]

Will they burn a Tesla like the current versions? Just another musk fanboy site.....

[@TeslaCarWorld]

No no. To demonstrate its supremacy, it has prevailed in numerous difficult tests.

[@hdavidsims8364]

😅😅

[@James0u812]

Won"t happen. LTO energy density is too low.

[@peterazlac1739]

Lithium batteries have no future and Musk should switch to sodium like the Chinese. As the number of Lithium battery-based fires in cars, scooters, and e-bikes increase and burn down more buildings their use will be banned especially as it takes 30,000 gallons of water to put out a lithium-based car fire. Battery life is not the criteria it is corrosion and physical damage to the battery pack that matters along with overcharging older batteries. Toyota is right in promoting hydrogen for many reasons not least the number of chargers needed if the car fleet switches to EVs and the impossibility of charging them all from solar and wind power. The EU has already changed its laws to allow the continued production and use of fossil-fuelled vehicles provided the fuel is from eco sources whatever that may mean. In addition, economic favors hydrogen since all that needs changing on hydrogen cars is the top half of the engine to allow for the change in fuel. This has already been done by JCB for their industrial units and they will manufacture such engines this year.