"It's not always about 𝓼𝓮𝔁"

[@ARandomEliatrope]

I really don't like how much of a hypocrite Stolas was in this scene, and i REALLLYYYY hope that it was an intentional scene of him being hypocritical and not the writers genuinely trying to make us think he's in the right here.

[@hpropganda]

the way it was framed, stolas felt like he was portrayed as the more mature party here, but even though he admitted the arrangement was wrong he's still lying to himself and the audience by pretending that blitzo should have gotten anything more out of what they had but sex. ik that blitzo has his whole "walls against social connection" thing and i like how they're writing him, but i really feel like the team tries to overjustify everything for stolas all the time. if they make it like he was intentionally in the wrong even here i'd actually like stolas a lot more

[@SkylarThompson-mu1qs]

@@hpropganda I hope it's a situation written to have the viewers think Stolas is more mature but once rewatched and focused on more than twice, it's irony and how Stolas can also be kind of immature and irrational in a nutshell, as in people may not notice things the first few watches but after watching more times, the viewers realise "Oh wait, Stolas is immature and the Full Moon episode is prediction of that." And the hints throughout the show. In the Season 2 trailer we hear Octavia saying "You don't love me, you don't love mom, you love HIM!" Hopefully this will be one of Stolas' wake up calls. (No he doesn't have to love Stella she's his abser) But realise how he made his kid feel.

[@mylovestaywithme6243]

That's what I hope too. I believe that the writers did try to show the viewers that stolas is wrong here and not understanding blitz, but im not sure what they tried to do its hard to tell sometimes what the writers want to show us ugh

[@kipechawolfeortiz8791]

I completely understand. However, I do believe it's important to note that stolas is primarily wrong here given that he started this deal... Sexually.. however, we should also be able to look at blitzo and see that he's also wrong, but for different reasons: Blitz doesn't know how to love comfortably, probably as a result of the many negative past experiences he's encountered. Viv is notorious for not knowing what tone she is trying to achieve for her stories. No hate, I like her creations, but there's always room for improvement on the writing.

[@mylovestaywithme6243]

@@kipechawolfeortiz8791 I agree, there is lots of tone shifts too in the writing of helluva boss, definitely need for improvement

[@ilovejesusandilovegod8803]

The writing crew got dementia after hazbin hotel 💀💀💀

[@juliuscaesar4882]

Production time is taking a toll. They start forgoring...

[@IcyDiamond]

I swear to god if Apology Tour is just Blitzø apologizing to his innocent little owl boyfriend I’m gonna lose it

[@angelgarcia4641]

Good god let’s see how well this comment ages lol

[@sashawolfson3602]

I have a feeling it's going to be that and I'm going to be disappointed as I am now.

[@sirinsx8383]

i think and hope it will be about verosika, because she's actually someone that blitz should be apologizing to

[@sashawolfson3602]

@@sirinsx8383 I can agree with that 100%

[@avivastudios2311]

I have a feeling it's gonna be about apologizing to Verosika. I'd like that. 😁

[@WiglahWoo]

on my hands and knees begging that this scene was an intentional character flaw on stolas' part that they will have him work through in future episodes, bc ong there is no way they just completely forgot abt every single character interaction stolas and blitzo have had until this point 💀💀 and sure stolas was secretly craving a relationship, but only the viewer was let in on the secret and he never talked to blitzo at all about being more than hook-up buddies. blitzo was completely valid with all the points he made in the argument and if they try to make him feel sorry or apologize to stolas I will be so mad ...

[@0sophloaf0]

with the vivz? no way!

[@mylovestaywithme6243]

I wish that too ._. after stolas said that line, blitz immediately called him out saying "What!? F**k you Stolas! You spring this feelings bullsh*t on me?!" like yeah stolas just somehow had feelings for blitz and blitzo can't really control how stolas feels. but personally I think that stolas had just confused lust with love idk

[@memory.3015]

Frfr bro

[@ASplashOfCol0urs]

Luckily they didn't o saw vivzie reply to someone who mentioned it so I do think it'll be brought up

[@10RexTheWolf01]

Watch S2 ep 1

[@lfishtaco]

literally though like you're the reason he immediately assumes that

[@mist0804]

And he's the reason Stolas acts like that, so really it's both of their fault

[@Daeneiracorn]

​@@mist0804 exactly like their first interaction after 20 years was stolas making a JOKE telling him he was making one and blitz just GOING WITH IT. This man repeatedly stops doing things when blitz asks him to. Like his name the MOMENT blitz shows annoyance at being called that in public he STOPS its both their own fault and he REALISES That sex was an issue when BLITZ expressed he was unhappy with the arrangement of it ALWAYS being sex. So what does he do? Well he drinks first of all and flashes back to how they got Into this situation in the first place and then he makes the plan to END THE SEX DEAL ONCE HE WAKES UP AND FINALLY TRIES TO DIVORCE HIS HARPY OF A WIFE!

[@lfishtaco]

@@mist0804 what are you talking about? after stolas met up with blitzø again, stolas immediately assumed that blitzø was there to have s3x with him. blitzø was not just "going with it" when he was encouraging stolas the only reason blitzø was, was because he needed the book in order to survive and actually make money. so obviously hes going to do whatever he needs to do to get money, and blitzøs first impression to stolas after 20 years was that he wanted to have s3x with blitzø so obviously his first instinct is to pleasure stolas in order to get the book because stolas implanted that thought into blitzøs mind that "oh he likes having s3x with me so i can do that in order to make money." If stolas cared so much about it then he would've realized that the whole transaction thing was wrong a long time ago.

[@mist0804]

@@lfishtaco Stolas didn't assume Blitz was there to have sex with him, it was a joke like he said himself when Blitz started acting up. After that night Stolas thought that was just what Blitz likes, so he became really sexual and then Blitz just went with it thinking that that was all Stolas wanted. Ergo it is both their fault for keeping up the "purely sexual" act

[@lfishtaco]

@@mist0804 even if stolas said he was joking, he still immediately pushed that thought onto blitzø so its still stolas’ fault

[@beckheorshepls5397]

This is the new "He CaN gEt HuRt?"

[@sbones8559]

lol it was so dramatic and the next episodes prove any physical harm means nothing, like why hype it up he got his ass handed to him then ok he just has 1 bandage on?! millie got stabbed this episode, loona got SHOT, nothing happens from that... 😭

[@a_naotenhonome780]

​@@sbones8559its so funny how Stolas is allegedly supposed to be a powerful and strong demon yet a hellhound a a imp who are like the bottom of the hierarchy can take damage without being a big deal and recover faster than him lol

[@no_0riginality937]

I like how divided tha fan base is in this scene. One side is absolutely bawling over this scene and saying how powerful it is The other are worried about how this will play out since they noticed the flaw in Both Stolas and Blitz side primarily Stolas.

[@Corrector1]

It's become a pattern with the show's emotional moments.

[@sophiars9635]

This is why I’m aggravated by people who are on Stolas’s side after the argument. People forget that all the emotional/sympathetic moments that we (the audience) have seen from Stolas in season 2 have not been seen by Blitz- Blitz has only seen the horny, disrespectful, unserious Stolas that we also knew him as in season 1 before Ozzie’s. Stolas has NEVER taken Blitz seriously, so how was Blitz expected to all of a sudden believe that Stolas had real romantic feelings for him?? I know it’s because Blitz has low self worth and doesn’t believe anyone could love him, but it’s also because Stolas has only treated him as a sexual object up until this point. I am going to be so upset if the show treats this as if Blitz was in the wrong for yelling at Stolas 🙄

[@Theartistdee]

THIS RIGHT HERE☝️

[@10RexTheWolf01]

He is, lets not forget how they even met. Stolas has always liked Blitz when they were kids, then 25 years later they meet again but Stolas was under the impression that he was looking for him not trying to steal from him, heck I doubt he even realized he stole from him before. But instead of being honest Blitz used sex to manipulate his feelings. He could've left him tied to the bed but he came back, so what does that say about Blitz when he clearly didn't need to go back?

[@sophiars9635]

@@10RexTheWolf01that’s true, you could argue that Blitz started the whole sexual transaction dynamic when he broke into Stolas’s house to steal the book, however, I would argue that when they met as kids initiated this transactional relationship- remember that paimon paid for Blitz to hang out with Stolas in the first place? I am aware that it was not Stolas who made this first transaction, but this is what started the cycle, and as the person in a position of power in the relationship, Stolas has done nothing to change this transactional dynamic, but rather has reinforced it by “paying” for Blitz to spend time with him in exchange for the book. I don’t think it was an accident that the writers had Stolas and Blitz meet in this way

[@10RexTheWolf01]

@@sophiars9635 Actually what really started it was Blitz's dad making him steal, all Paimon wanted was to have a playmate for Stolas. But even so Blitz didn't realize that Stolas has always respected him: he bowed to him, played his pirate games and wished him good luck on his dreams. From Stolas perspective he feels he finally has a real friend, considering his whole life is dictated by his father regardless. 25 yrs later Stolas thought they were gonna pick up where they left off but didn't realize then and now Blitz was always using him. Blitz is so self absorbed he hasn't realize that the imp servants and Strikers problems are not HIS problem. Not one of them has gotten this much attention, trust and freedom from a royal.

[@r3alityisnotreal]

FR

[@PlanetZoidstar]

I'm glad you addressed Stolas' gaslighting efforts with Blitzo. It *was* always about sex as far as Blitzo was concerned. Blitzo wasn't around for or made privy to Stolas' revelations that he was exploiting Blitzo for sex. It's like Stolas just expects Blitzo to inherently know how he is feeling, when Stolas is very forward when it's about sex, but closed off when it isn't.

[@jacobgraemoor5778]

I don’t think it’s gaslighting so much as it is Stolas coming out of a very abusive relationship with Stella and not knowing he’s still taking advantage of the differences in power between him and Blitzo.

[@chaoticneutralsheep]

Pretty much this, Stolas shouldn't have stormed off when Blitz assumed this was a roleplay because he made the terms and conditions that on a full moon Blitz has to sleep with him to keep his career going. Stolas could have called any other time instead of arranging this on a full moon, and he should have apologised for not wanting to be seen in public with an imp since there's unaddressed racism in their relationship too. 2:54 Stolas never even clarified that Blitz was wrong for thinking their relationship was a sexual transaction either, so why does Blitz have to be the one responsible for this because I can't figure out what he should have done differently.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@chaoticneutralsheep So true. It's frustrating because Stolas was doing really well up till he stormed off. But he should have told Blitzo ahead of time what he wanted to talk about and not wait till Blitzo panics to reveal the Asmodean Crystal. The way Stolas reacts to Blitzo misunderstanding feels like the actions of a Love Bomber. Where they shower you with affection one minute, then cut it off without warning to create a love deficit that the target becomes desperate to get back. Not helped by Stolas refusing to engage with Blitzo or give him a momemt to take any of it in. All Stolas had to do was let Blitzo go off thinking he was fucking with him, let him finish, THEN clarify that he was being serious and reiterate that he wants Blitzo to stay because he WANTS to. It was clearly a misunderstanding on Blitzo's part that Stolas could easily have cleared up without storming off.

[@leftythebear6646]

@@PlanetZoidstar as someone else said, if stolas told blitz about the talk before they had it then blitz would have tried to ignore it or push it back constantly. I admit stolas could've gone about it better, but like he said in the duet. hes had all his choices made for him growing up, never having to even face love issues with Stella since it was arranged so he'd be basically completely unprepared for this kind of problem and would probably be dealing with it they way he thinks he's supposed to, honestly and straight forward. I don't blame blitz for lashing out since stolas made the full moon deal and blitz had to follow with it to keep his business running which was incredibly selfish of stolas imo, but the whole point of the full moon episode was stolas accepting he's wrong for it and attempting to fix it by giving blitz the crystal so he doesn't need stolas anymore, stolas quote: "you no longer have any obligation to see me, touch me.. you are free of me." "but.. I want you to stay. I want you to stay, because *you* want to.. only if you want to."

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@jacobgraemoor5778 If anything that should make Stolas more aware of what he's doing. Since he's suffered by being forced into arrangements that made him miserable. Basic empathy should have made him more self-conscious that he was screwing over Blitzo the way he'd been screwed over.

[@hihi-kv8kv]

I really really choose to believe this is an intentional character flaw, Stolas is sort of short sighted and emotional, I think he'll realize. He'll probably realize. Please. Please let him realize. i love him way too much for them to make him this stupid and then act like he's right. please. i didn't even consider they might do that.

[@ihartyoutubification]

He is off his meds and in withdrawal so yeah his emotions are all over the place and even through that he is realizing he does love Blitz but probably literally doesn't know how to express, communicate, or validate it because this is his first time being in love his entire life. Stolas has probably been on happy pills if not as recently as when the polit aired like we saw, sometime around Octivia being more aware of how her parents interact, so maybe age 3 or 5. I have no doubt Stella has always been physically and obviously verbally abusive. He probably wanted to be the good and safe parent for her.

[@Lilyflower-sweetmilk]

I saw on Twitter that vivzpop said that he didn't actually understand that he was being hypocritical in the moment so im going to believe He's supposed to be betrayed this way.

[@hihi-kv8kv]

@@Lilyflower-sweetmilk oh I just checked her twitter, she totally seems to know what she’s doing, thank god. I actually really like the angle she’s taking on this one, it’s definitely more complex than I expected

[@Lilyflower-sweetmilk]

@@hihi-kv8kv ye

[@IronycheinPain]

​@@ihartyoutubification except many people who take similar meds say that's not how it works when you miss a day

[@crisadence3707]

I didn’t take it as Stolas blaming Bitzø for misunderstanding, I took it as Stolas saying Blitzø’s reaction proves what Stolas realized their relationship was and is why he wanted it to end. Like he was further validated

[@someonerandom5210]

This!! I interpreted more like “that your first instinct is that it’s always about ***, tells me enough about the relationship and what it actually means” blitz proved that he only saw the relationship how stolas suggested the relationship will be in the first place, so stolas understood that they couldn’t happen romantically. I honestly don’t think he had any ill will about that part, however afterwards when blitz called him out for being selfish and an ***hole that treats lower classes worse than him when stolas was finally trying to do the right thing, this stolas felt called out by (even though blitz isn’t in the wrong here either and stolas did act in a demeaning way to blitz from how he grew up but is trying to change for the better)

[@StaryEyed]

thats what i thought too!

[@IronycheinPain]

except stolas doesnt have the right to be validate with his realization; HE was at fault, he should be apologizing first and foremost and yet he didnt

[@somerandomguy7325]

How is he validated? He’s in the wrong

[@DredFed]

⁠@@IronycheinPain EXACTLY! Like most of their interactions is literally just stolas hitting on blitz and blitz is clearly uninterested and not to mention stolas is so horny he doesn’t even hesitate to do it in front of his own DAUGHTER! He has no right to think that blitz forms feelings on him despite that’s what their relationship being about. Stolas constantly calls blitz “Imp” or “plaything” so of course blitz is gonna think that stolas is an entitled prick and the show literally says that stolas has a kink for being f*cked By lower level demons and that just makes it worse, and doesn’t make it ok! Stolas literally just EXPECTED blitz to have feelings for him despite their relationship being only about sex and it feels like the writers Shame blitz for it despite it not being his fault and the transaction feels more forced and unhealthy because blitz literally has to HAVE sex with stolas for the grimoire, or he loses everything he has and will get into trouble … that’s a little questionable about stolas’s character and literally makes stolas seem no different from a rich entitled demon.

[@yendo1774]

people argue between who was in the wrong when the real answer is the writers

[@sherifflasso]

Man those older clips reminded me how relentlessly funny this show was in S1 😭😭

[@goatcheesee]

yeah, now we just turned into trauma the show I love me some angst but Jesus Christ does it go to far

[@Anti2020s]

Season 1 was the chad.season 2 is just trash

[@Dragonmongamer]

@@Anti2020sYknow those shows that get better at or sometime before season 2? This is the opposite of that.

[@sir-ani8927]

1:37 I REALLY hope Stolas saying that "It's noT ALwAys aBouT SeX" is just irony because this scene right here shows Blitz having a normal convo and hoping this invite isn't a sex invite and Stolas immediately going all seductive in his reply

[@panzerwaffel5281]

And that's why this series is written by incompetent people.

[@ThePaupepa]

Never better said, pal.

[@ОльгаГузняева]

I still can't forget "My impish little PLAYTHING" 😐

[@lukario_cz]

This is either really clever writing with a lot of thought put into it, or probably the most blatant character assasination of the entire show. Only time will tell...

[@tylere.8436]

Knowing how the Ozzies drama was unwittedly forgotten two episodes later, I bet the latter.

[@MrPink-2004]

Second option

[@goatcheesee]

The show literally did a retcon of his character, making him a little soft boy is not there in hell for God sake he’s a total hypocrite

[@ThePaupepa]

Second option, this is the normal route that all of Viv's works take.

[@masterninjavn6543]

Apology Tour just dropped and the latter is right.

[@a_naotenhonome780]

Its insane how the show now acts like Stolas was never this overly h0rny character, who often made Blitø uncomfortable with this arrangement. The writers must have the same memory span as a goldfish because there's no way lmao

[@artistanthony1007]

Viv knows what she's doing, if she even cared then we would actually see signs Stolas is a pure being who was born & lived in the wrong place but no.

[@Sappysappster]

Once again another example of the show telling and not showing cuz when has this guy EVER displayed anything other than lust in this relationship 💀💀💀

[@thefangirlray]

S1 episode 7

[@kaylaHat]

​@@thefangirlray where he hid in shame at the idea of being with Blitz

[@thefangirlray]

@@kaylaHat Ok sure but don't pretend that he never once showed that it's more than sex to him. Blitz didn't see it cuz he hates himself but I don't get how some of the audience doesn't see it. I mean in s2 episode 6 Fizz was able to see it just from a few seconds of what BLITZ said. I'm not saying Stolas is blameless he totally is but y'all are being a bit harsh on him. Like both of them are totally fucked up and don't know how to communicate in a relationship.

[@kaylaHat]

@thefangirlray yes that's exactly it tho! He's also in the wrong and the show needs to acknowledge that cause so far they haven't been doing a good job at calling him out

[@thefangirlray]

@@kaylaHat I mean fair enough

[@Dawg-Bone]

And THIS is why I chuckle when I see people saying that Blitzø fucked up and Stolas didn’t. They both fucked up. Stolas DID want more than just sex, but he didn’t come off that way, especially early on in the relationship. Blitzø, as a result, thought it was all sex, and not to mention how afraid of intimacy he is given his history.

[@misabelrodriguez1163]

I really like how the fandom sees the flaws and wrongs BOTH characters did and not just the one. Hopefully, in the nest episode, they both just communicate with each other and realize how they have been hurting each other. They need to get to that conclusion if they are going to pursue a healthy relationship.

[@wreathofpalmaria]

Blitzo has no obligation to talk to his abuser.

[@ThePaupepa]

About that... Yeah, that ain't happening, bud. Stolas is going to diss Blitz (and steal Verosika's spotlight) next episode because he "hurt" his fewwings, and anyone who hurts Stolas is automatically evil!

[@sbones8559]

@@ThePaupepai still can't believe they made it seem like octavia was in the wrong on seeing stars from loona who never interacted with her before. "yeah dads fuck up but he's trying" he spent hours just watching comedy from blitzo while she was missing, loona says stolas is looking all over the city for her which is not true either but we have to just believe that ig. and in loo loo land he brings the man he cheated on octavia's mother with to somewhere she didn't want to go and it ends in octavia complimenting him as a dad, huh? why is he always the victim 😭 this show crazy

[@closermercury518]

@@sbones8559 thankyou

[@VenIGuess]

​@@ThePaupepa Well... this was rather wrong narratively..!

[@C0co_577]

THANK YOU. I’ve been trying to explain this. Sometimes the audience knows things because we see EVERYTHING that happens, but the other characters have no way of knowing. WE know Stolas has real feelings for blitz- we see him get genuinely excited for their “date”, we see him upset when it doesn’t go well, we see how he’s sad after being left on read. But he doesn’t EVER show blitz that he cares about him like that. The closest would be when he saves him from the DHORKS, but even then, he calls him his “impish little plaything”. He’s expecting Blitz to be a mind reader- (ofc, blitz is a /little/ delusional yall, as when he described Stolas’ behavior to fizz, fizz points out that no one cares that much just for s*x and even sarcastically agrees with blitz and blitz doubles down)- but Stolas laughing at his jokes and being nice to him isn’t enough to communicate how he feels 😭

[@xxx-qw6kq]

The fact that there is literally sexual coercion in that ship (Blitzo's job depends on having sex with Stolas). Someone said that Stolitz is Angel x Valentiono but painting Valentino as sympathetic and they were so right

[@themindgayer5367]

Bro what? How the hell is Blitzø comparable to Val? There is zero sexual coercion, Blitzø backed off as soon as Stolas outright said "No" and seemed genuinely upset when he realized stolas wasn't into it, but not mad, disappointed with himself because HE felt as if he wasn't doing good enough and that that's why Stolas put a stop to the whole full moon deal to begin with

[@xxx-qw6kq]

@@themindgayer5367 it's Stolas who is compared to Val

[@JorSweeds]

@@themindgayer5367 It is, Blitzø was dependent on Stolas and Stolas realized it. Notice how he literally begged when he thought Stolas was gonna take the book and leave him, his entire business is dependent on whever or not he gets the grimoire. Blitz didn't have a choice.

[@themindgayer5367]

@@JorSweeds My point still stands, Stolas would never force blitzø into sleeping with him for him the grimoire, and blitzø was completely fine with the transaction, it was Stolas who felt guilty for keeping him tied to him once he started to fall in love with him, yes blitzø begged to keep the book, but that doesn't mean he resented the full moon deal and the literal beginning of the episode is him singing about wanting to bone Stolas while Stolas sings about wanting to let him free and blitzø literally says "we have a nice arrangement" and "No need to change things"

[@NyehNyeh12]

@@themindgayer5367but he literally was forcing him…because whether Stolas knew it or not, blitz had no choice to agree. Not that he’s as bad as Val - it’s that he unknowingly put blitz in the same situation.

[@taylort3674]

"What" no more needed to be said

[@diamonddice7xanimationsowo164]

The issue besides Blitzø believing he can’t be loved is how Stolas can’t communicate what he wants

[@Cyburim]

No, really?????????? It's almost like this came out of fucking nowhere!

[@_ShiAngel]

@@Cyburimseriously how

[@bluefacestan1826]

Stolas is such an abuser

[@clairarts9377]

And yet all of her fans are eating this shit up like it's incredible writing- it's either intentional or they really think he's right (sadly, it's probably the latter)

[@millies.left.eyelashess]

it’s definitely intentional dude viv and her team are smart like that, she’s tweeted about it aswell. this is a great set up for apology tour and i’m guessing there making stolas more in the wrong or at least equally wrong

[@MrPink-2004]

@@millies.left.eyelashessNoup, its not intentional.Is bad writing in all the aspects, the made a manipulative spectacle since episode 1 in second season, and are only trying to defend an obvious error And for your comment for the next episode, you are claryfying in all the total ways that this episode was only a cliffhanger, nothing else more important, a waste of time for a inmature cliffhanger

[@Jaaacken]

​@@MrPink-2004nah its def intentional, im calling it as a character flaw for stolas not seeing the reality, not a plot hole or something

[@MrPink-2004]

@@Jaaacken Man, yeah, is intentional, but the two characters are very bad written.This is not a “brilliant writing of the contradictions”, is a collage of stupid and immature actions of writters who think to make a chaos of motives that they take importance only two or five minutes in a chapter, to make the fans think this is complex. Do you want a same relation between two characters and done better and being complex?See “Last Tango in Paris” and you talk me later, because there is a difference between talk about a theme during a season with subplots, than talk about it only 5 minutes to make an image of “complexity”

[@millies.left.eyelashess]

@@MrPink-2004 look i didn’t like this episode either but viv herself has tweeted about it

[@hiarus8850]

Telenovela level of romantic relationship writing, make it as ridiculously dramatic as possible

[@ThePaupepa]

Go watch "La Rosa de Guadalupe" instead, it's more fun and cannot be taken seriously unlike this dumpster fire.

[@a_naotenhonome780]

This relationship feels like it came straight up from a fanfic made by 14 year old

[@Not_Fish]

Remember when Stolas used to be an interesting character? Thanks season 2 for making the rich asshole sympathetic 🤯🎉💕❤️

[@sbones8559]

viv has confirmed stolas was originally supposed to be more of a villain so like it really makes sense how bad the writing has shifted about him... yet they have stuff like him using a living breathing butler imp as a literal stress toy to squeeze while calling stella and he calls blitzo his plaything. idk how we're supposed to sympathize with him anymore omg 🤦‍♀️

[@Cyburim]

Why is nobody talking about the big classism/ power dynamic elephant in the room 🤔

[@tylere.8436]

Friendly reminder: Octavia exists

[@Corrector1]

Pfft. Yeah. I bet you believe in Bigfoot too. The occasional sighting makes for an interesting tale to tell at the bar, but it's hardly what I'd call compelling evidence.

[@ThePaupepa]

And Stolas is a neglectful father. Preach.

[@AngelKyoX]

Blitz and Stolas are toxic but what makes me dislike Stolas more is he "hides" it behind a twisted sense of love. The love is real but its shit, thus this gaslighting and playing the victim card he pulled.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

Exactly. The moment Blitzo misunderstands Stolas, Stolas turns it all around and blames Blitzo for not considering he might have feelings for him outside of sex. Feelings Stolas never shares with Blitzo and keeps to himself. It's unfair and two-faced. Either Stolas is really that lacking in self awareness, he's deluding himself, or he's an asshole.

[@sbones8559]

and stolitz is to be endgame... wtf like why do we want them together again? when have we had a healthy, happy, nonsexual scene with them that doesn't include when stolas was spending hours watching blitzo do comedy while octavia was MISSING in the human world and a dangerous city? everything is so bad with them together there's never healthy communication. honestly viv confirming on twitter stolas is aware of his hypocrisy makes it feel worse cause he did it anyway then kicked blitzo out of the castle... and we're supposed to still ship them?

[@AngelKyoX]

@@sbones8559 Exactly! the best our of thi sis a friendship based on respect not this lovey dovey shit

[@perro692]

They just keep taking away every bit of interesting traits away from stoles to just turn him into a lil soft owl boi that never did anything wrong. Season 2 has completely ruined his character for me. I'm begging, BEGGING, that the show can at least focus on how fucked up all he did is. But it's not looking good, at best i think the'll give him a "what we had wasn't healthy" but i'm sure even then they'll find a way to justify him

[@torpid5092]

Going from the pilot, which really made Stolas out to be the future villain, it was really surprising when the show came out and he actually turned out to be a villain.

[@erkooamiraliev3043]

I don't think so because we all know why.

[@bluefacestan1826]

Back when the show was actually good in season 1

[@TheRatLikeRemi]

Nah, Stolas is such a hypocrite in this episode 💀

[@stargirl3455]

me when i'm in the biggest hypocrite contest and stolas walks in

[@ThePaupepa]

*insert Squidward here*

[@Personian]

Vivziepop said in response to the matter, "Stolas so in his own head and feefees he don’t register the reality smh" This is an intentional part of his character. It's not a plot hole or bad writing, Stolas genuinely is just so in his head about him and Blitz that he fails to see the reality in the situation; he fails to see he is the one who made it this way to begin with

[@CCHILABDEE]

I really hope this is intentional and that the two WILL break it off completely after this, however, I can't shake the feeling that this and apology tour aren't the last we'll see of the Stolitz blueballing. The amount of official merch of these two together, and octavia and loona having a teen goth bonding moment tells me thinks are looking bleak for those who are sick of Stolitz.

[@narwhalocean791]

@@CCHILABDEE stolitz is endgame, but they have 2 more seasons to actually fix things between them. i don't think its going to be magically fixed in apology tour

[@zippyfish]

its definitely bad writing.

[@Personian]

@@zippyfish A character that’s hypocritical does not equal bad writing.

[@thewmatt9275]

If it's intentional, I wish they shown that in the actual show, damn. Because only judging by what's in the show without all those Twitter statements, Stolas is an a-hole with behavior the show tries its best to justify by creating plotholes, and wasting characters with good potential. It's unfortunate, but it's definitely bad writing if you have to backup every episode in a Twitter thread afterwards.

[@VCofdaG]

Ah yes, the complete clash of characterization between what Viv originally conceived the character to be, and what she eventually decided she wanted him to be. What a great writer, everybody.

[@sophiars9635]

Yes I feel like the show still has to do a lot of work to recover from how Stolas was written in the pilot (and most of the first season). The problem is they made the decision to make Stolas a more sympathetic character, but also have him do all the same overly sexual jokes towards Blitz as he did in the pilot…now they’re trying to convince us that Stolas cared about Blitz this whole time as if he wasn’t sexualizing him in almost every interaction throughout season 1 and some of season 2. It’s the same problem with Hazbin where they have one episode with angel dust being r*ped and abused by Valentino that were meant to take seriously, and then the next episode have a joke about sir pentious being gang r*ped at the club ._.

[@VCofdaG]

@@sophiars9635 convenient writing at its worst lol.

[@sophiars9635]

@@VCofdaGexactly, they want to have the same dark humor as family guy or South Park but also have a serious conversation about abuse/assault lol

[@syafeeqahisham1740]

I watch it and I want to admit something. We should all feel about blitzo and not stolas. And second,the teamwork between cherubs and dhorks is just too rushed out.

[@sashawolfson3602]

Thats what I'm thinking.

[@Personian]

Vivziepop basically said that both Blitzo and Stolas are at fault here, not just one or the other. Blitz and Stolas both suffer from trauma, which is not really working out well for both of them.

[@syafeeqahisham1740]

@@Personian yeah,still. There is no fault for blitzo because let's face it,he thought stolas is calling for him for a lovemaking session. And it's not his fault he didn't know it's not gonna be about lovemaking this time. And the fact blitzo rightfully called out stolas. Stolas needs to get his shit together and face the fact he needs to let blitzo go that's it. I felt bad for stolas sure for having a terrible wife but this guy needs time to spend time with his daughter.

[@KindleTheSkywing]

@@syafeeqahisham1740 In episodes like Ozzie's Stolas has suggested they do other things besides sex and Blitzo refused to believe that Stolas actually wanted that. I think both Stolas and Blitzo are at fault.

[@syafeeqahisham1740]

@@KindleTheSkywing yeah,and blitzo was following the groove of it actually. I just hope in later episodes we don't need to see stolas trying to pity aka making victim out of himself. Whose gonna bet people are gonna making fanart of forcing Octavia to accept stolas as her father gonna begin?

[@tylerf5914]

Thank you for the vid. I literally forgot about 50% of this bc of how far apart the episodes releases are from each other. This really contextualize things much better

[@avivastudios2311]

The ex-fans understand the characters more than Viv and the fans.

[@emperor.moth_]

i like this video but I'm still a HB fan. it's not like not being a fan males you more mature and shit. I do think they have to work on their characters a bit more, but that doesn't mean I'm not a fan just because i understand when the characters are hypocrites. also stolas had a lot of character development after the first episodes. so yeah he's a bit of a hypocrite but he doesn't realize it because he came to genuinely care about blitz beside the sex. also he said that in that context because blitz thought that him saying "you can stay if you want to" was only a roleplay.

[@avivastudios2311]

@@emperor.moth_ The fact that Stolas told Blizto that he thought highly of him is just so strange. And the way he said it like he's surprised and heartbroken that Blizto didn't know. When and how was Blizto supposed to figure out that he thought highly of him? Was it when you were literally harassing him at Looloo land? This is more than just being a hypocrite. It's almost like Stolas is expecting Blizto to read his mind and something tells me that they're not going to address that.

[@closermercury518]

_"but i thought so highly of you... and blitz... i can get hurt, too U^U"_

[@sarahthesnail2271]

yeah fr

[@wooblydooblygod3857]

An FP video? These are practically an endangered species these days.

[@captaincookiekill]

what's an fo vid?

[@thezonienthusiast473]

I feel like this could have been avoided if they had shown more of Stolas trying to form a relationship with Blitz outside of their deal. The development just isn't there. Helluva Boss (and Hazbin Hotel) really struggles when it comes to pacing.

[@sbones8559]

we should have had a scene with stolas maybe not using his butler imp as a stress ball and making a mess with the butler looking irritated, and instead realizing he should treat him better. it'd make the "i thought so highly of you" seem way more believable. why can stolas seriously abuse that member of blitzo's race that's considered low to him but apparently we need to believe he genuinely respected blitzo?

[@jasonjasso666]

Stolas did also play into the sex thing, true, but episode 1 of season two did clarify he only does so because that’s what he thought Blitz was into, and vice verse. Both, regardless of intention, made it about sex at first, which itself started out as a result of miscommunication that caused their current miscommunications.

[@vuivraalbastra]

Right, fair point, but what about all the times Blitz was less than enthusiastic about sex? Acting horny in the first meeting after years does not equal being always horny and Stolas should have asked Blitz way before this point what he wants (Blitz as his employee doesn't have the same freedom of asking questions). Stolas is being annoyingly oblivious to the complexities of a relationship and just as unwilling as Blitz to actually talk about their problems, so to me it seemed like he was hiding from all that thinking behind sex. Whether this will be used for some really good character development or will end up as annoying drama (I really hate miscommunication tropes) we can't say until we see the next episode(s).

[@elizabetavuckovic6808]

How I see it: Stolas is prolly referring to that one time after Ozzie's when he tried to tell Blitz he wanted his company and not just sex, and now that Blitz didn't take it seriously The fact Stolas literally gives Blitz a way out with breaking their arrangement tells me he himself realized he's a hypocrite and is trying to do the right thing but failing miserably because he ended up shutting down after Blitz didn't take his words seriously What is important in this scene is that, even though their communication is abysmal, they both had the right to react how they did and this breakup was very much needed for them. Now, there are no more secrets between them and all they now have to do is cool down, reflect and try to discuss this calmly, they now both possess the knowledge of how the other feels and can start building potential romantic relationship

[@ArteiceTB]

Stolas is the biggest hypocrite

[@MrPink-2004]

Yep.Better than that, writters are hipocrite and very bad writting romance

[@korruptor9777]

@@MrPink-2004I think it was intentional

[@MrPink-2004]

@@korruptor9777 Intentional, but continues being shitty writting

[@MrPink-2004]

@@korruptor9777 I start 🗿

[@ThePaupepa]

Indeed. And the fact that people gobbled up that shit without hesitation and sided with the sad owl incel in a heartbeat says a lot about how easily emotionally manipulable they are.

[@Miko_Hanamori]

Honestly I completly forgot about all of these interactions of Blitz and Stolas, blaming my horrible memory, so watching this video made me realize how much of a hypocrite Stolas was for saying that to Blitz..

[@Lila-454]

I am SO glad I'm not the only one who felt like this! As someone who dislikes Stolas for a variety of reasons, that line that he says later in the argument "i think so highly of you.. I didn't think you thought so low of me" did not sit right with me. There is no way that daft bird really said that. Does he not remember that he MADE Blitz think that way? It felt like he was guilt tripping Blitz into staying despite having said MINUTES BEFORE that he was giving Blitz the choice.

[@GARYtheCANNIBAL]

Idk if anyone else has said this, but I feel like that Full Moon "breakup" scene only works if you've watched every Helluva Boss episode on the day it came out. That way, you forget some of the finer details in between episode releases, so it seems like Stolas evolved more from just wanting a FWB to actually being in love. Sadly, compilations like this one kinda take apart the whole premise of the "breakup." It feels like the show is either counting on you to forget how Stolas acted for all of season 1 and most of season 2, or it wants you to read into it, that somehow Stolas constantly badgering Blitz and tempting him to hook up is *actually* driven by loooveee!!! But the reality of what the character is, doesn't really line up with the breakup trying to make us feel bad for him. It's insane that it tries to make us feel like Blitz is the one in the wrong. Because he's not.

[@VenIGuess]

I can kind of see how someone would come to that conclusion, I more or so disagree but removing the Cherubs B plot and replacing it with a Stolas B plot would have probably changed the dynamics of people's thought process in regards to the breakup. Especially seeing him potentially grow as a character outside of Blitz. More or that change would have probably sold this scene more with people. So while yes, I disagree with the stance that the scene was bad, I also think the writers could have took that change, and used it more for certain scenes to better develop his character. That would have elevated the scene by a lot imo. But again, you are intentionally supposed to see how Stolas was in the wrong too as stated by Viv and this being the conclusion that almost everyone comes too.

[@Corrector1]

I don't think it's just poor build up, I think they changed their mind on the kind of character that they wanted Stolas to be. As we see here, Stolas was significantly more predatory in the early episodes and Blitz is always shown to be irritated whenever he has to interact with him. Heck, "Murder Family" showed that he has a panic button specifically for Stolas. It's a quick gag, but it also gave you an idea how Blitzo felt about him. Then episodes like "Truth Seekers" and "Ozzies" focused on how toxic and manipulative the arrangement was, but until this episode season 2 seemed to be pushing the idea that they're in an actual relationship and the main things keeping them from being together were outside factors and Blitzo's own insecurities.

[@PopLight459]

THIS is what I've been looking for, an entire compilation of all the times he's been making it about sex, thank you omg

[@dakforest5344]

I find it facinating how little faith the Helluva Boss community has in Vivziepop's writing ability. Like, I'm not even saying faith is deserved. There have been questionable decisions, and yet the narrative as a whole has flowed over all... Still, this had better be deliberate and intentional character flaw on Stolas's part.

[@PlanetZoidstar]

The problem is that whenever Stolas fucks up there is a ready scapegoat there to justify it. Usually Stella. So much of the cheating and is blamed on her abuse so Stolas can seem sympathetic. When Octavia rightfully calls Stolas out for being a shitty dad, all it takes is 1 sappy heart to heart to get her to come around. We need a scene where it's made clear that Stolas' circumstances do not absolve him of his shitty behaviour. But the fact that Striker, Stella and Paimon are written as so transparently evil whenever it makes Stolas look way more innocent than he really is.

[@axolotlfairy2473]

@@PlanetZoidstarexactly- I WANT stolas to have a good arc where he realizes he's messed up in the past and he actually apologizes and tries to make it up to blitzo and the people he'd hurt. He had a decent arc in loo loo land, but ever since then viv just keeps backtracking and shifting blame away from him at every chance she gets

[@PlanetZoidstar]

@@axolotlfairy2473 Yeah, I feel Loo Loo Land should have been the beginning of Stolas' arc of redemption, but Viv can't help but drag out the queer romance drama for its own sake. Because she finds functional relationships boring. That's why M&M get so little focus with their relationship, and C&V in HH. It's an already established relationship with little room for growth because they're both happily together with years of offscreen development.

[@10RexTheWolf01]

@@axolotlfairy2473 It's only like 2 people he hurt

[@wreathofpalmaria]

It's not.

[@PeteyBirdd]

I LITERALLY SAID THE EXACT SAME THING AND PEOPLE WERE SAYING I WAS WRONG LIKE WTF DO YOU KNOW WHO THIS MAN IS LMFAO????

[@Birdyboys]

I can’t wait for the comments who keep saying this was an intentional writing flaw come to realize that this isn’t clever writing, Vivziepop is just a terrible writer that she accidentally convinced her fandom that Stolas is an abuser Edit: lol

[@Corrector1]

On the one hand, Viv and at least one other crew member tweeted that Stolas isn't supposed to be in the right during their argument. On the other hand, I wonder if the writers will fully explore the problems with Stolas's behavior or if they'll just gloss over it. I'm not sure they intended for their relationship to be as toxic as it ended up being.

[@Birdyboys]

@@Corrector1tbh I think it’s to save face. They probably did not expect people to be so unsympathetic towards Stolas. They frame his flaws as something that’s more harmless, while blitzo is actively malicious

[@szweetsztuff]

*god* , i hope this was intentional hypocrisy for a character flaw and not just a writing flaw.

[@ilovejesusandilovegod8803]

Vivienne Medrano has literally lost the plot 💀💀💀

[@KYW_TOLI]

Viv in a one sided competition to make the worst character in all of fiction

[@axolotlfairy2473]

The worst part is I feel like it'd be easy to change the scene so stolas is still sympathetic, but in a way where the show still acknowledges he's been treating Blitzo poorly. Like after blitzo finishes his whole rant instead of having stolas be all guilt trippy have stolas say he was so desperate to feel actual love he jumped at the first chance and didn't think about how it'd affect people around him and he's gonna let blitzo go free bc he needs time to think about how he could ACTUALLY make this relationship work and if blitzo wants to come back he can but he wont force him or something

[@sophiars9635]

I definitely agree that the way the whole scene is framed makes Stolas seem more reasonable, and therefore more in the right and blitz in the wrong. It wasn’t til my second or third rewatch until my view shifted to be more on Blitz’s side. Both characters deserve sympathy, and they could have shown this while also having Stolas accept his responsibility in reinforcing the transactional aspect of their relationship. He basically doesn’t even apologize or give Blitz the time and space to process.

[@theemoturtle7002]

👏🏻 some👏🏻 one👏🏻finally👏🏻said👏🏻it!👏🏻 THANK YOU!!!!!

[@Mr2010forgeben]

Honestly, yeah. Love Stolas and all, and we as the audience know that there's more to it for him. It's also plenty frustrating to see Blitzo's reaction. But all in all, it just comes down to communication and the fact that it's a two-way street

[@tereza1959]

Unpopular opinion warning: Stolas would be a lot more interesting and relatable if he wasn't written to be always good intentioned and nice

[@Corrector1]

I have to give the writers credit. Given how much focus Stolitz has gotten and how season 2 seems to be downplaying the problems with their relationship, I assumed that when the two of them finally did talk then the most likely outcome would be them getting together without any acknowledgement of their problems. I was happy to find out that this episode had Blitzo chewing Stolas out for how he's treated him. On the other hand, I've seen people who feel that the episode frames things in a way to suggest that Blitzo is a jerk for not returning Stolas's feelings, so I'm still not sure what to expect. Will the two actually work through their problems in the long run? Or will they be thrown together and the toxic parts of their relationship glossed over?

[@lightjones9894]

The latest episode was pretty Mid they said they really wanted to polish it for the last week of May but that's hard to believe now. It could have worked better if it was a short, honestly!

[@cookicrumbles87]

first !! also, ur so real for this video

[@lowkeyemo6340]

While Blitz blowing up at him at the end was not the right way to communicate how he felt AT ALL, it's not at all hard to see why Blitz was so taken aback at the idea of Stolas genuinely loving him.

[@Pinkninja0708]

Honestly looking back made me understand why Blitzø was angry at stolas. At the same time though while it was good for stolas to finally realize how messed up their relationship is, it came at the wrong time or at least the lack of communication leading to this. While it was hinted that stolas did ask Blitzø if he was okay in some episodes, Blitzø took it as a manipulation tactic from Stolas because he finds it hard to believe that stolas would suddenly care for him. And stolas not talking to him for months as hinted in full moon, Blitzø took it as Stolas not being satisfied enough. And Stolas didn’t really properly consider how blitzø would process all this. I think that’s stolas’ flaw here. But overall on both parties it’s really lack of communication with each other.

[@beep898]

genuinely what do they have OTHER than sex 😭 this is definitely one of those things where if they make it canon it gets instantly boring, i feel like stolitz fans like the pining more than anything else and without it its nothing

[@Rayla150037062]

Thank you for making this video, it needed to be said.

[@oieusouanico]

I rly think that when stolas paused before saying "... about sex" was he realizing that this was his fault, that he is the one who make this be all about sex when he was just trying to play along.he was a big hypocrite, and he knows this

[@themindgayer5367]

I swear the helluva boss community is so BAD at understanding what the fuck is happening in scenes. Stolas is MEANT to be a hypocrite here, hes supposed to be flawed, expect he isn't even rlly truly flawed because he does truly love and care for blitzø. We see this is in Look My Way, Ozzies, S1 ep 7, S2 ep 1 and 2 and s2 ep 5 and 6. But to him, his feelings are obvious, we see it constantly, when he hired blitzø as a bodyguard despite not needing one in order to spend time with him and made no sexual advances aside from mild flirting, he invites him to the harvest moon festival again with no purpose other than to spend time with him, and still only flirted. Blitzø used him to get into Ozzies and he was genuinely excited to get to go on a date with him, and tried to make conversation but Blitzø didnt really care and was only focused on spying on millie and moxxie. He was the first one to laugh at blitzøs jokes when he was on stage, because he genuinely thought they were funny and not because he was told to by a teleprompter like the rest of the audience and literally stopped searching for his daughter to support him because he had ptsd with preforming from his circus days. He constantly texts him with minimal to low effort replies on Blitzøs part and literally ALMOST DIED because blitzø was too busy taking loona to the vet and sent moxxie and millie instead. But that's what makes the writing so good, because to the audience and to Stolas, his feelings are obvious, but to blitzø, they aren't because he has such severe insecurities and abandonment issues that he cant see or refuses to see Stolas's actual feelings, that's literally the only reason that he thinks their relationship is only based on sex, because he refuses to believe otherwise. Blitzø shouldn't have reacted the way he did, he blew up and based on Stolas's reaction, very possibly caused him to have ptsd of Stella, and yet he did so because he thought Stolas was abandoning him and throwing him away because he was bored, which was a fear already unintentionally put into his head by loona that same episode. Their both flawed, but this isn't bad writing, its intentional, and they BOTH need to apologize and communicate properly

[@vuivraalbastra]

All I'll say to this is that if so many people miss the point then maybe it just wasn't conveyed well and there's some possible improvements with the writing. That or some very bad episodes in the show destroyed the faith some fans had in your writing, so they'll assume the worst about every line of dialogue that's not completely clear. I mean more often than not Stolas is portrayed by the narrative as an innocent cinnamon roll even though he objectively isn't, so it's not fair to blame this "misunderstanding" between the show and the audience purely on the audience.

[@beep898]

wonder why people might feel that way hm...

[@iwantedtobethatanomaly2270]

Not readding all dat💀 Nah man Jokes aside this is just what we call "bad writing". Like you know your show's writing is ass when someone has to EXPLAIN it.

[@Birdyboys]

I’m gonna come back to this and laugh when the show frames Stolas as the victim and Blitzo as the problem

[@themindgayer5367]

@@iwantedtobethatanomaly2270 that's just it, I really shouldn't have to, just for some reason the fans of this show into fucking titty babies that have to be spoonfed why a character does what they do or else they start whining and calling it "bad writing" because God forbid there's a genuine misunderstanding between characters that actually makes sense, because now ppl are acting like it came outta nowhere and that we haven't been through stolas's entire character arch by this point enough to know he genuinely loves blitzø, and if it's obvious to us as the audience and not to blitzø then It's pretty easy to see that's intentional

[@Marsh_Miko]

The writes did not cook on this one 💀😭

[@Epic11705]

Blitz ACTED like a sex demon to get the book and that’s what Stolas began to see him as Then Blitz began to think sex was all Stolas wanted They really need to sit down and have a talk (JUST talking, no touching)

[@PeldaChan]

As I agree with what people are saying in the comments, I feel we must remember that Blitzø made the first move- in S2 E1 he was the one who opened Stolas’s legs, and made it seem like he wanted to initiate the intercourse, and instead of stating that he didn’t want that, went through with it anyway. I believe from then on, Stolas believed that’s what Blitzø wanted and that was the only way they could see each other. I don’t think he realized he was the one who actually made it about sex by making the contract, he just wanted a reason to see Blitzø. (Also, Stolas is kinda going through that horny teen faze he never got to have due to being engaged and restricted by his royal responsibilities. Once he realized what he was doing was wrong, he gave Blitzø reasons not to show for their arrangement.) So I believe his statement of “Always being about sex” was him not realizing he was the one who did it by not stating his true intentions of friendship/ a real relationship onto Blitzø. Or perhaps Stolas thought that was the only way to get Blitzø to spend time with him. :/ I dunno, just my thoughts lol.

[@YunaAngel2006]

At this point idk whose side i should be on🙃

[@PeldaChan]

@@YunaAngel2006 I’m on both, cause they’re both at fault. They both lack the proper communication and have a bad mental health. Blitzø shouldn’t have yelled or have made the ‘he’s obviously joking’ after getting given a damn AUSMODEAN CHRYSTAL, and Stolas shouldn’t have stopped the conversation and walked away. They really need to get to know each other more, if they had they wouldn’t have done those things. Stolas is usually straight to the point, answers now, convo now, and be literal. Blitzø is haha, jokey jokey, you’re not serious, avoid the situation. If they had known that about each other, they would’ve handled the situation differently. I can’t wait for Apology Tour to see what happens next!

[@artistanthony1007]

No remember when Stolas he was there to rrravish him? He did what he wanted but he just wanted the Book and leave, he stayed out of pity before just leaving out the balcony.

[@ThePaupepa]

You forgot a little key detail: Stolas specifically said that Blitz was there to "ravish" him (aka, have sex) and Blitz only followed along to successfully steal the grimoire.

[@PeldaChan]

@@ThePaupepa Yes, but after Blitzø reacts in that sexual manner, Stolas says “I was only teasing, I don’t really-“ They’re both bad at reading the room 😂 I believe they’re both equally at fault for various reasons. Literally everything Sam Haft says on this topic, I agree with, lol.

[@ab1ga1lll]

that’s why i don’t like picking sides in this situation. nobody’s in the right, both characters have their flaws. in the end the goal of this is to clear misunderstandings and attempt to resolve any issues with the relationship.

[@ab1ga1lll]

also, in stolas’s defense, i believe that he acted that way because he thought that blitz wanted it to be like that. their first interaction as adults was sex, so this could be the case? still not too sure about this, so take it with a grain of salt.

[@gretel654]

Viziepop has agreed with a Twitter comment talking about how Stolas’ actions contributed massively to Blitz’s perception that their deal was just all about sex, and made her own comment that Stolas has been so in his own head that he didn’t register reality. So fingers crossed that his arc this season will actually address his flaws and his tendency to jump to conclusions and prematurely project his own feelings onto a situation, instead of dumping all the blame at Blitz’s feet

[@artistanthony1007]

Pfft it didnt.

[@beaniegorll2759]

2:58 THIS ! Of course blitz would assume stolas ONLY wants him for sex, because it’s an establishment fact! I don’t understand why this show is breaking its pre established material constantly

[@vuivraalbastra]

Yeah, I like that the last episode addressed some of the criticism for Stolitz, but it felt a bit out of nowhere to me. Like since when does Stolas care how Blitz feels about their arrangement? Why is he suddenly okay with letting Blitz go? Please remind me if there's some scenes that can be clearly interpreted that way, but in my opinion Stolas simply wanting a genuine relationship in episode like Ozzie's is not enough because he didn't actually ask Blitz what he wants or why he feels that way, he was just heartbroken over being rejected. Blitz was speaking facts in his rage, too bad that it never felt like they had an actual conversation there and not just two people only speaking and not listening. And watch them have a dramatic next episode of Blitz franatically searching for Stolas and realizing his true feelings for the now unbearably innocent bird man... all that highschool-tier drama writing, instead of you know, having the two main characters actually have a meaningful two way conversation and process their feelings in a healthy way. To me it looks like Viv is trying to address the main criticism for Stolitz, and I think it's good to listen to the feedback and change the problematic dynamic between the two, but still ends up using some cheap tricks that I'm not a fan of. Overall I thought it was a really good episode on its own, loved it, but it's held back by a number of the previous ones that the writers ignore to continue making Stolas this cinnamon and sad gay man. Just let him apologize for how he treated Blitz, it's frustrating to watch him do everything but that (if Viv will actually do something with this as a character flaw for Stolas, I'll eat my words, but until then I'm not holding my breath).

[@imp1kamil]

Saddly, both of them are responsible for break up

[@imp1kamil]

FOR SAKE WHO GAVE RESTRICT AGE

[@ItzVintagePastel]

I barely see people mentioning the power dynamic they have aswell 😭, stolas has unintentionally been taking advantage of blitzo on several occasion when he didnt even have to 😭

[@sbones8559]

blitzo literally getting down begging for him not to take away the grimoire with tears in his eyes saying he'd do anything so his business doesn't fall apart... the power dynamic is crazy

[@sophiars9635]

Yes thank you!! I talked about it so much in my other comments. People are out here saying”blitz started it by coming on to Stolas sexually in the first place” 1. HE WAS DISTRACTING HIM TO STEAL THE BOOK AND ONLY HAD SEX WITH HIM BECAUSE HE FELT BAD 2. Stolas knows that this is what Blitz did, as he obviously realized later that Blitz stole the book, which is why he calls him in the first episode proposing the sexual agreement. 3. Once Stolas realized the book was stolen he could have just gotten it back and even have Blitz arrested/punished, but instead used the situation to his advantage. Stolas has called the shots of their entire relationship, Blitz is just doing what he has to to keep his company running

[@sophiars9635]

@@sbones8559that scene of Blitz begging Stolas to not take the book back almost made me cry… it really makes you realize how important this business is the Blitz. He feels like if Stolas takes the book away, he loses everything 😢

[@sbones8559]

@@sophiars9635 EXACTLYYYYYY!!! ugh this ending made me think i was going crazy i'm glad yall get it 😭

[@flavortown6280]

I hate him.

[@Actualbowlofsoup]

i feel like this show only makes sense if you squint, i get that maybe this is meant to come out as hyporitical but its never protrayed right in the show. like a lot of scenes in the show feels this way

[@LostProxyNevermore]

Stolas is also a hypocrite in many other way. Of course Blitz didn’t think that Stolas thought highly of him! And almost every interaction we’ve seen of them, he is always demeaning and pointing out Blitz‘s social status, constantly reminding Blitz that he is beneath him. He’s always using the word “Imp” towards Blitz’s in the most infantalizing and pitying of ways. People can get mad at me all they want, but Blitz had EVERY SINGLE RIGHT to react the way he did. Sorry not sorry.

[@artistanthony1007]

I dont feel sorry, I'd just say Not sorry.

[@emma7698]

Another problem with Stolas is that it feels to me like he sees Blitz as the exception to the rule when it comes to imps. Most of the time he either ignores or is rude to other imps (like Millie and Moxxie in LooLoo Land). I feel like he needs to reform his whole belief system and not use imps as butlers for things to work because even if Stolas sees Blitz as his equal, it must be so damaging for Blitz to see him treat his class in this way.

[@maurisa514]

Thank God more people realize it

[@greenightponydragon5127]

People don’t seem to get that this scene was intentionally flawed. Yes it was wrong for stolas to be a hypocrite for the sex thing,yes stolas isn’t the most mature and yes he just as much of a fuckup as blitz. But here’s the thing I think Viv was trying to make this as realistic as possible because that’s how couple arguments are their messy,Their complicated and above all an emotional mess. It’s supposed to be flawed that’s the point

[@rhileytheratchet]

I actually understand this to some degree. My parents argue a lot saying that the other doesn’t do anything for the family or saying that “Oh! You always make it about blah blah blah..” or whatever the case is. If Stolas’ character was intentional, then that’s some clever ass writing and I hope that the writers take the time to actually make it a slow burn relationship after Apology Tour.

[@jamplatform3429]

Unfortunately, I don't think that's the case at all. Season 2 has been breaking its back to make Stolas' interest in Blitz seem wholesome and frame it like he's the one being taken advantage of. It all started with the Circus, really. Blitz's emotions are never addressed or vindicated. It's all on HIM to be better, act better, and capitulate to Stolas' feelings with no acknowledgment of his own. The ONLY person who ever called out the situation for what it was was Striker, and his voice is discounted as "imp supremacy propoganda" Blitz has repeatedly shown his disinterest and vocally reacted to being treated like a sex object and how Stolas makes him feel inferior. But even still, no one ever calls Stolas on his bs, and when Blitz DOES it's like "Oooh, oh no, poor Stolas. Everything is just so hard for him." We're supposed to forget the way he acted in the past because "he's so sad and in love :(. Look how he gave Blitz the crystal! He's really trying, and Blitz messed it all up like he always does >:(" I agree that it's flawed and unhealthy, but I don't think the writers have any intention of addressing that. I would like to be proven wrong, but since Stolas is the sweet innocent darling of the show, I think he'll get off scot free once again

[@artistanthony1007]

​@jamplatform3429 This all the way, the only thing that makes these two wrong in FM is how they handled the convo & situation especially Blitz but it is still Stolas in the wrong.

[@cassiushellsin6243]

I think Stolas will have consequences for this. It has to, Vivziepop admitted this as an intentional character flaw. It’s not like she has lied before and this show hasn’t disappointed before ahhahahahhahah 😢

[@PlanetZoidstar]

The problem is that Stolas is constantly written to be sympathetic by surrounding him with cartoonishly evil people who make him suffer. Namely all the Goetia not named Octavia.

[@alaricsilver-lord2279]

Dudes, its called a ✨ character arc✨ The last scene in the vid us one of the first, if not the first time, we see Stolas begin to change. In the beginning he IS childish, and immature, and it IS all about the sex. He is trapped, and repressed, so he engaged with that side in the most over the top fashion, but the one piece that made blitz stay that first night, was Stolas showing emotion "it means so much to me that the first person who wants me like this is my first friend". It was only when he thought blitz might want more, ie he asked him out on a date, that he realized a) his own shame around their relationship b) blitz's emotional absence c) how easily and carelessly he hurt blitz and d) that he actually wants something more. Going to Ozzies made him realize the impact his behavior had, and from there he begins to change. He calls blitz blitzy less and less, and begins to offer him space. If you want, at the end of the episode he's kidnapped in, you can pause and read their texts after ozzies. Stolas sees that he hurt blitz, and tries to apologize, offering him space, and quickly bonking into the walls blitz keeps around himself. Of course he's a hypocrite. He's changing.

[@iwantedtobethatanomaly2270]

Doesn't change the fact it's bad writing.

[@ThePaupepa]

Doesn't erase the fact that Stolas coerced and exploited Blitz sexually. Stolas is a horrible person either way, just that he now has "makeup" (aka gaslighting, victimization and woobification) for his true colors.

[@Birdyboys]

Trash writing man

[@artistanthony1007]

That doesn't change anything, Stolas has always been about sex in the very beginning and he's trying to act like it was never that, the statement meaning "Your instinct is always sxx when we are together" or "It's not about sxx so I don't understand why you're bringing that up" both make him in the wrong & showing hypocrisy.

[@catboymonstrosity]

Stolas wears his emotions more openly than Blitzø, he has an easier time being sensitive and vulnerable, and he overestimates how clear his deeply felt emotions come across to other people - in other words, he gets in his own head. Fans see this and think "aww, look how sad the little owl boi is, how cute and sad", but I doubt that's the intent. Stolas has never had a genuine equal relationship with another person. He's had servants, he's had an abusive wife, he's had a daughter he doesn't know how to connect with because she is his only family ever. It makes perfect sense that he doesn't know how to communicate and doesn't know how anything works. It's easy for the audience to blame Blitzø here. He's directly aggressive. He's resisting the main romantic arc of the series that fans want to see come to fruition, which frustrates fans (even though this kind of conflict is the only way they will ever be able to start building something healthy and equal). But that doesn't mean Stolas is written as being in the right, it only means that the way Stolas expresses himself comes off as more stereotypically sympathetic to the average person. I do not know how that aspect could be avoided. Stolas is not purposefully 'playing the victim', nor is he gaslighting or lovebombing or anything so severe. He's telling Blitzø how he feels for the first time without understanding how Blitzø sees things because he has no experience or knowledge of how to properly relate to others. Also, as a short addition: yes, Stolitz is unhealthy, but that is a good thing imo. It's not abusive, it's just a poorly communicated relationship between two deeply traumatized individuals who hate themselves too much to make each other happy. That's why it's a compelling *story.* I do ship them but I hate the idea that it's just cute and pure and fluffy. It's (currently) messed up and that's why it's interesting to watch it unfold, especially the awful parts.

[@supernova_29]

I don’t understand their relationship at all, it’s so confusing

[@the-annoyinator]

well well well

[@thatweirdo35]

i think it was more of Stolas blaming himself for using blitz only as a sex worker rather than an actual partner, kind of understanding the error in his ways. If so, he isn't wrong imo, I hope Blitz wont like be made out to be the guilty one in here, our imp bro didn't do anything wrong

[@GrouseMan14]

are we going to ignore the entire first half of this episode lol. guess helluva boss is a sci fi show with technology that we wont even have in like 300 years

[@Banker_ton]

Damn, another plot hole, sad to see it.

[@Personian]

Copy/Pasting what I said to someone else: This isn't actually just a plothole or bad writing, like some people think. Vivziepop herself acknowledged this. In response to someone saying basically what you just said, Vivziepop replied with, "Stolas so in his own head and feefees he don’t register the reality smh" So what Stolas says is just part of his character and he fails to see that he is the one who made it this way, he is partly at fault.

[@TendoMendo]

Not every thing hypocritical has to be plot hole

[@artistanthony1007]

It's not plot hole, it's contradication.

[@johnmartin4119]

I always took it that Stolas was trying to be honest and change the relationship from one based on transactional sex to one based on mutual love. And what he’s mad about is that Blitz assumes that sex is the only thing Stolas cared about. But yeah Stolas didn’t give Blitz a chance to seriously think about it so Stolas is in the wrong there and he could have tried to talk more and not just immediately walk off, but I don’t think Stolas is saying that their transactional sex based relationship didn’t happen, more that he doesn’t want it to go on anymore and he wants something real.

[@Emily-rd4kh]

Dang big mood swing

[@semicolontransistor]

In a series all about being grey, an awful lot of people seem to insist on things being black and white.

[@Tmp45632]

Didn’t you know? Season 1 doesn’t count. 😑

[@tylere.8436]

The two seasons are just entirely different shows at this point.

[@SillySodaTabs]

There are parts where Stolas has tried , In Ozzie’s he’s open to talk about it , when we get a peak at the texts between Stolas and Blitz in western energy we can see him asking if Blitz ever wanted to talk about what happened at Ozzie’s or asking if they could skip the bed stuff and maybe watch a movie together things like that. He doesn’t want Blitz to think it’s a transactional thing tho he is still in the wrong for not explaining that to him and it also makes him in the wrong to not give blitz the time to process that maybe Stolas would want something more then a s3x partner so when Stolas leaves and blitz still haven’t had time to process it triggers his blind rage . Both characters are in the wrong and we can’t say one is more or less bad because they both are going through things they both need time and they both aren’t perfect they’re not gonna be.

[@Madi_Hearts_Ducks]

It’s like blitzø and stolas switched bodies during the full moon episode. Before, blitzø was kind of tired of having sêx with stolas. And stolas wanted to. Maybe it’s because during the song blitzø hasn’t slept with him in awhile, and stolas didn’t take his meds? Not to sure, I definitely have mixed feelings.

[@fionajd5149]

this is exactly what i thought when he said that