It’s nothing, but also everything? || Sound Theory Kraftur

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@TheReal_E.IRIZARRY 3 ай бұрын

I know the developers and CEO over at Soundtheory are laughing their heads off like, "Yaaaaa, we knew this h8ter would like our plugin. He tried soooooo hard to h8te, but ended up confusingly liking it!"

@RokSivante 3 ай бұрын

😹👏

@Illkacirma 3 ай бұрын

i like if you explain more in depth things then just talking about new plugins. well done

@Dannys_uncanny Ай бұрын

Hey, I just wanted to say I've been watching your videos for a long time. It's been a while since I've seen one this is the first one I've watched in a while, and I have to say your production skills have gotten so good! That song your demoing sounds incredible.

@marksaxon 3 ай бұрын

What's cool about this plugin (I own it) is it's a mix of Kazrog's KClip3 and Fabfilter's Saturn2. Multiband saturation while clipping. The interface is cool and intuitive.

@Naskoedm 3 ай бұрын

the multiband shift controls lower the clipping threshold + increases input gainfor that band without being able to control both seperately 🫠This thing uses a LOT of cpu for being a simple 3 band clipper. I suspect they render on the CPU and those FFT spectrum analyzers come at a cost too. Seems like closing the plugin window also doesn't "sleep" those spectrum analyzers so you're stuck with that high cpu usage. Oh, and the plugin doesn't autosleep 🫠 Besides autogain, i feel a good standard for any professional new plugin should be autosleep when possible, sleeping GUI or one that runs with gpu accel & reasonable cpu usage comparison when the window is closed vs opened!

@blvkqmusicgroup 3 ай бұрын

Y’all find a way to complain about anything!

@rich1051414 3 ай бұрын

In order to have a 'sharp' knee on a clipper, you have to have high frequencies, and therefore, aliasing. Removing the aliasing is practically equivalent to low pass filtering, which would make the knee of the clipper rounder. It's like different ways of arriving at the same conclusion. So yeah, if you have a clipper than allows for a sharp knee with oversampling, you are going to have some aliasing.

@ITSYABOYDONTE 3 ай бұрын

thank you for the lesson on filters. I own an RME ADI 2 Pro fs AD/DA converter and it allows you to change the filter types. Ive never fully understood the difference between the types and which one I should choose. I appreciate content and mini lessons like this that are easy to understand.

@Bert_Fromarketin 3 ай бұрын

Well we know this about Sound Theory... 5 years from now when they release their next plug-in... They will confidently announce .." were ahead of the curve and competition"... Peace to all... have a great weekend!

@cachelesssociety5187 3 ай бұрын

I'm surprised some people don't like this or say it sounds bad. I can only say that as a guitar and synth enthusiast it seems good as an experimental tool that leads one in a different direction than some of the related tools. For example Saturn 2, Compressors that change character, clippers, etc. I'm wondering if they include some upward and downward compression along with clipping. Also, I wonder if anyone has tried it with Metaplugin to reduce the aliasing that people comment on. Phase changes are not so much my problem when I spend a lot of time working with buses rather than a full recorded band session that present phasing challenges. So I basically love it and feel like it's price is excellent for value. In terms of Saturn, one distinction I would point out is that one is choosing one of it's built in algorithms. Whereas with this I would say it starts at a place that's more subtle than the most subtle of those algos, in terms of alteration of harmonics - and I like this because that's my entry point when working.

@leoneventicinque6731 3 ай бұрын

If it hasn't already been done, the sidechain technique that uses the ring modulator would be interesting as a topic. In order to perfectly "fit" two tracks together at waveform level and be able to gain more loudness. We know than in certain musical genres it is required by market standards. If you are interested, there is a video on the "Reaperiani" channel.

@mudsh4rk 2 ай бұрын

I can't say for sure but I'm pretty confident that the antialiasing filter starting to cut off a little at the top of the audible range is why I pretty consistently prefer the sound of ADCs running at 48kHz to higher sample rates. If I was doing a naturalistic recording of acoustic instruments I'd probably use 96k but otherwise it's just a waste of space and CPU for me - before I switched back to 48k I found myself lowpassing almost every track in almost every mix up around 22k-30k, and this was consistent across three different rooms, four different interfaces and two sets of monitors (not counting headphones).

@dragonemortale9056 3 ай бұрын

Is an interesting starting point, but it needs more flexibility; 1 linear band natural phase for the crossovers. 2 oversampling. 3 the possibility to shape the clipper curves indipendetly in the single bands and in the single clipping. If I see that coming I will buy it. Untill that comes I'll stick with my standard clip and the multiband clipper in the TDR Limiter 6 GE that Strip is really cool to put on groups.

@ethemastermindbeats2436 3 ай бұрын

The oversampling is default/ built in.

@dragonemortale9056 3 ай бұрын

@@ethemastermindbeats2436 I was intending, multi oversampling options, like the no oversampling at all to obtain light CPU usage like sir audio where you can have 2x on playback 8/16x during rendering. I have gulfoss and I love using the 3 mods and also gulfoss live to have different flavors and phase coherence.

@ethemastermindbeats2436 3 ай бұрын

@@dragonemortale9056 ahh had a feeling you might’ve meant that. And didn’t consider the option of turning it off/down while editing for light CPU

@DaftyBoi412 3 ай бұрын

As far as I understand it with aliasing, is you can get away with a certain amount before it's audiable. Even some OS will leave in some aliasing, but it removes just enough not to effect the sound too much in a negative way, and at the same time doesn't have the harsher filter settings so doesn't damage the sound in that regards either ... so sort of gets the best of both worlds and is balenced somewhere in the middle. However with these things that leave it in a bit, it might sound good on it's own, but when you start adding a bunch more from other sources .. can add up and really get out of hand by the end of a project if not carefully managed (for example try using this on every channel of a mix, and then see if you can hear any aliasing ... ;)).

@PUGLIA_JO 3 ай бұрын

Within Kraftur You design your sound while having match on to eliminate misconceptions of what you are actually changing. However, to hear final result your drive, offset and frequency parameters match mode must be deselected. Also, the frequency bands can be adjusted up top and there is a clipper on the output. You can get smooth saturation, clipping and limiting out of this plug in. It’s a very nice touch on the L/R, very clean if used right or dirty if you want it.

@kurtvanzo5464 3 ай бұрын

Finally! He's going on vacation! :D

@Comprendre.vst3 3 ай бұрын

I think they add anti derivative anti aliiasing to their clipper (having done that in my plug, but it tends to filter too much, but avoid distorsion = filtering whatever). For sure they use linkwitz-riley filters to have 0 latency band splitting, beware when you full dry in kraftur the linkwitz-riley filters remains (cumulated with other filters for oversampling or anti aliasing in general) which involve a lot of phases shift (have a look in plugindoctor). Otherwise not sur there is a lot of multiband waveshapper/clipper on the market.

@SoundsBy80K 3 ай бұрын

thats exactly the difficulty clippers have esp in the multiband domain. i tried to build my own multiband clipper, its very difficult to achieve linear and clean results.

@Comprendre.vst3 3 ай бұрын

@@SoundsBy80K for filtering multiband, tried fir filters, phase response close to linear but not perfect linear when one band volume change (but largely acceptable). Don't know how fabfilter and dmg achieve perfect linear response. Seems to be an industry secret ...

@SoundsBy80K 3 ай бұрын

@@Comprendre.vst3 yes, its outstanding what they achieved in their plugins. very interesting topic to dig in. is it possible to decompile vsts? guess low level code isnt helpful anyway.

@Comprendre.vst3 3 ай бұрын

@@SoundsBy80K tried a little on my own to find my own code. It's quasi impossible. Some open source linear eq seems to make sort of convolution on classically equalised white noise.

@StevieBoyesmusic 3 ай бұрын

I found you can add the clean high frequency delta, back into the output of the adaa hard clip code, and clip again, and still have less aliasing than just chopping the PCM waveform.

@DaftyBoi412 3 ай бұрын

Here's another way at looknig at it. Square waves are a sine wave with infinate harmonics. If you have a band width limet, you can't have a true squre wave because at some point the harmonics are reflected back. You can get very close, especially at low fequency as the harmonics will trail off into the noise at some point, but when clipping you are making something similar to a square topped wave, which will have a LOT of harmonics that will for sure go over nyquist at some point if clipping a full bandwidth signal. This will cause ripple, as the more harmonics that are removed, the less flat the top becomes, which OFC is exactly what you are describing here. ;) [EDIT, you did get a little into this late on in the vid] A really good way to get your head around this is by playing with a wavetable like synth that lets you build waves from adding or removing harmonics ... It's how I figured out how to make my perfect D+B bass tone, by manipulating harmincs to make a flat topped wave with round corners so it sounds smooth, but can go really loud and packs a punch heh .. but that's another topic.

@vladgsound 3 ай бұрын

Finally! About anti-aliasing in AD converters! 👍

@AuroraBPolaris 3 ай бұрын

After testing it out I'm just not convinced. It's like "cool, it does something, but i already own other plugins that do the exact same job. Is it a replacement to the old ones? Unfortunately not" so at the end of the day a skip for me. I also couldn't wrap my head around all the graphs and colours, a little too much for my eyes.

@rugososphotos3646 3 ай бұрын

Even if not using this this particular plugin, I feel like this video is very educational, thanks for this!

@stemipro 3 ай бұрын

I was about to hate it, but then I didn't. Great plugin! Great review, as always!

@mplstb 2 ай бұрын

I just add a very very positive interaction with the folks at SoundTheory and can't say enough good things.

@xrabbz2010 3 ай бұрын

Ive been thinking about this plugin a lot, really been on the fence about it, glad to see you cover it' and after watching the video it's on my "to try list"

@drrodopszin 3 ай бұрын

They really spent time making the UI look very cool. If it gets discounted I will buy it just zoning out at it.

@razornaut 3 ай бұрын

The 80s influenced electro tune used in testing; does anyone know the name? (I am prempting that Sandstorm will be the answer from most, but genuinely would like to know: it's a very nice tune).

@Barnet310 3 ай бұрын

It is indeed Sandstorm by Darude

@manny_f 2 ай бұрын

The GUI looks very intuitive and sleek

@easyvelvet77 3 ай бұрын

Thank you man for al your amazing videos! Always a pleasure.

@KYTHERAOfficial 3 ай бұрын

What I dont understand is why the crossovers arent linear phase. I cant use this on my music on the fullmix or kickbass, the phase position has to stay untouched there.

@santuariosonico1 3 ай бұрын

don´t you get pre ringing while using linear phase filters on kick? imho, they do more harm than good...

@pianoman_luke 3 ай бұрын

really intriguing. To me, too much aliasing kinda sounds like I have dirt in my ears (well not exactly but you get it). I will definitely try this out

@jeffbaumet794 2 ай бұрын

Hey there, i just got an ad for your members only access. i am a pretty loyal follower of your channel but other than the comments i dont know how to direct message you. I do want to give you some honest feedback though on the pricing. I think 99 cents a month is something i would consider. 1/3 of what im paying for netflix is never going to happen. im not sure the sweetspot for revenue there but i have to imagine that you could get at least 5 times as many members at $1 as you could at $5.

@guterton 2 ай бұрын

Reminds me a bit of the Drawmer 1976

@papatoni3311 3 ай бұрын

You should try gold clip

@qrty-ip4gh 3 ай бұрын

There is Single and Multi clipper + Master clipper in the right side, with adjustable treshold (ceiling).

@timrideout 24 күн бұрын

"whatever the crap that may mean..." LOL

@JC-if9dl 3 ай бұрын

Did you actually use the clipping? I saw a clip button on the bottom right? What is that for?

@Hamp10h_Inc 3 ай бұрын

The clip button is for clipping

@eriklucasmusic 3 ай бұрын

I believe that’s a clipper on the output. Could be wrong.

@ethemastermindbeats2436 3 ай бұрын

@@Hamp10h_Inc 😂😂🤣

@XVIIIPRO 3 ай бұрын

@@Hamp10h_Inc😂😂😂

@qrty-ip4gh 3 ай бұрын

Thats second (third) clipper. You can set treshold of clipping in right side of the plugin.

@psyquenziellaudio8609 2 ай бұрын

Isn’t it all a issue just with 48khz…? Dont you get your niquist out of the way if your project is running at 96khz or even 192khz… at leat you have much more headroom until aliasing!

@DaftyBoi412 3 ай бұрын

So what you're saying is clipping in the digital domain makes little ghosts waving their ghosty hands? xD

@shayeasy 3 ай бұрын

“With a normal compressor, you’re not getting anything extra. With this, you’re getting color from the compression that is happening.” Many of my favorite compressors have color in spades, and also clip or saturate in subtle and musical ways.

@happyshadow 3 ай бұрын

how does it sound?

@hviewstudio 3 ай бұрын

I understand .. Time is fleeting ... and do what what u can my friend..... cause life is short ....

@Uitverkorenen 3 ай бұрын

Persoonlijk vind ik dit een van je beste videos. Hoop niet dat je het erg vind als ik zeg dat het lijkt of je iets minder acteert en meer jezelf bent.

@xaz7088 3 ай бұрын

Why people need a mb clipper?

@Waldo_Ilowiecki 3 ай бұрын

A lot in this problem depends on the sampling frequency, the processing algorithm and especially on the type of multiplication in this algorithm. The most commonly used algorithm is the Vinograd algorithm, which requires only 1.3 multiplications per sample. This algorithm is very fast but not very accurate. In the era of fast processors, this algorithm is being abandoned in favor of more accurate processing. The choice of the averaging window is also important, of which there are many: Hamming, Hanning, rectangular, Gauss, Barlett, Blackman, Kaiser, Nuttall and others. Depending on what we want to achieve, we use the appropriate window. There are already algorithms in some plugins that automatically eliminate this phenomenon, using the above mathematics in calculations.

@iggswanna1248 3 ай бұрын

wowthx for that

@cachelesssociety5187 3 ай бұрын

That's an amazing comment. Are you specifically talking about the problems resulting in aliasing? You should write a book!

@arrivalsband9201 3 ай бұрын

Excellent Job.

@AL.N-music 3 ай бұрын

So it's like a multiband compressor plus dynamic exciter, basically.

@GingerDrums 3 ай бұрын

It's more similar to a multiband saturator like Saturn and a multiband limiter combined... In fact it a variable multiband clipper (soft/hard), a broadband regular clipper combined.

@brianwynn10 3 ай бұрын

I used this plugin for the clips I put the number in and boom it help me a lot because ima not good at mastering and getting levels loud

@anonymousbrowser4448 3 ай бұрын

Super destructive crossovers

@timgreig1704 3 ай бұрын

And the clipping isn't destructive?

@halflifemusicofficial 3 ай бұрын

This is the first plugin in a while where I really didn't understand what was going on haha, it seems really interesting but I'd really have to spend some time to figure out how to use it well

@RokSivante 3 ай бұрын

you're not alone, lol. still wrapping my head around it, BUT the A/B's speak volumes that whatever's happening under the hood, it's working...

@HiLoMusic 3 ай бұрын

@@RokSivante Yeah I was quite surprised, it's almost making me mad lol

@ethemastermindbeats2436 3 ай бұрын

This plugin is definitely inspired by curves tools in video/photo editing.

@mycosys 3 ай бұрын

Please dont use the discrete sampling allegory - its so bad - people start thinking theres steps and 1/sinx interpolation then, none of that is happening - its one bit at hundreds of kilohertz

@TheGARCK 3 ай бұрын

The clipping is controlled using the little triangle on the Meter on the right. The rest was just a multiband saturator is what I understood.

@GingerDrums 3 ай бұрын

Nah it's blendable multiband clipper, a broadband clipper and dry signal and another clipper in the output... It's cliptastic.

@akipan 3 ай бұрын

You asked in a previous video about the sound of your new mic setup. To be honest I don't like it. This time especially the loudness is very low and I cannot put my finger on it but the sound is strange. That of course is my opinion and I'm just trying to help. Except that great video as always... And I don't need to say it every time! It's becoming normal for you and the good content! Hahaha!

@Sam-yb9eb 3 ай бұрын

Felt the same ! Mostly presence not loud enough

@Whiteseastudio 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the input! Still figuring out how I want to do this moving forward

@akipan 3 ай бұрын

@@Whiteseastudio I'm sure you will! 🙂

@Rhekluse 3 ай бұрын

Try turning off the Match button after dialing in your settings…

@TRXST.ISSUES 3 ай бұрын

Smart lad banking vids up for vacation 🔥

@anonymousbrowser4448 3 ай бұрын

The aliasing claim is utterly BS. It aliases a lot. Also their crossovers are unfortunately not linear phase which is also destructive

@na_der 3 ай бұрын

16:09 u said everything but "saturator"😁 isn't it a saturator?

@chriskemp466 3 ай бұрын

Hey, a bit of intelligence before the knob twiddling - well done :)

@Sagerydian 3 ай бұрын

I don't hear anything changing when you bypass it and turn it on. Hm.

@santuariosonico1 3 ай бұрын

that´s the beauty of it... it is driving the signal up for an insane amount of decibels, and still sounds good. As he said, deactivate the gain match before rendering!

@DSWL_ 3 ай бұрын

thanks

@Positive_Tea 3 ай бұрын

Cool shirt

@beehype46and2 3 ай бұрын

Comment for da algorithm Streak count: 253

@emim_thinks 3 ай бұрын

Its Maxiimus with a clipper.

@saricubra2867 3 ай бұрын

Technically the retro 80's style music for the testing is still electronic music.

@TracingFlares 3 ай бұрын

you should know the plugins in and out before reviewing.. it makes no sense if people know already more of the plugin than you do😊 this can misslead beginners if you show things you even dont know about😊

@MantaAudio 3 ай бұрын

It's a nice plugin with a distinct clipping sound. unfortunalely it messes a LOT with the phase. Also in single band mode unfortunaley. So nothing fot the master chain. Still sounding very good on single tracks.

@Bert_Fromarketin 3 ай бұрын

Btw actively listening to the vid...😂

@Auldhelm 3 ай бұрын

Thank you Professor WhiteSea

@lofimat3856 3 ай бұрын

Witzee van Gogh

@saricubra2867 3 ай бұрын

The closest thing to this is Saturn 3 by fabfilter.

@julienepouhe9639 3 ай бұрын

Saturn 3???

@happyshadow 3 ай бұрын

its a multiband clipper

@RokSivante 3 ай бұрын

hmmm, more a multiband saturator followed by clipper, no? unless clipping is also the source of the saturation... 🤔

@happyshadow 3 ай бұрын

@@RokSivante yeah could be. I like it though! Sounded pretty great when I tried it.

@tozzlin2964 2 ай бұрын

i've been follow u for years... just noticed that ur looking got rounder lol...

@felixneun 3 ай бұрын

Vizes main audience must be the local mental asylum

@Melloh-293 3 ай бұрын

I can confirm that

@ruudheadz7095 3 ай бұрын

looks useful but already done...!?

@buggyface 3 ай бұрын

combination of nothing new

@大頭三家姐 3 ай бұрын

Could u pls have more informative titles on your video? Eg the title you have now is not clear and a bit confusing, especially for your non-subscribers, the title won’t attract the right people to click. Just my 2 cents.

@Whiteseastudio 3 ай бұрын

The unfortunate thing of good and informative titles is that they don’t work on youtube

@Fire-Toolz 3 ай бұрын

it might seem counterintuitive but these types of titles get far more clicks

@dougleydorite 3 ай бұрын

@@WhiteseastudioI almost missed this one because of it! But I get it

@大頭三家姐 3 ай бұрын

@@Whiteseastudiowe live in a strange world…😅

@Bert_Fromarketin 3 ай бұрын

It's got too many graphs and lines and squiggly stuff going on for my liking... I'm calling snake oil... Even though this isn't a snake oil vid...

@mthomas1091 3 ай бұрын

Fish oil helps vision 🤷‍♂️

@Flimpy74 3 ай бұрын

man, just give opinion...good or not good. I crave of the old times, when unprofessional unsponsored youtubers gave out their honest opinions

@The_Doc_Rocks 3 ай бұрын

Just a reality check here - I'm in the somewhat older age group, and my hearing is proportionately worse, from all the years listening to loud music, added to the natural reduction in hearing that occurs with age. So all you young guns with bat-like hearing up to 20KHz may be able to hear something happening with this, but I couldn't hear a bloody thing. Nothing. Zero. Zip.. Zilch...! Mind you - my little Bose computer speakers probably don't help, as they act as bandpass filters, cutting off everything below about 200Hz at the low end, and anything above about 5KHz at the top end. But just to make the point - the average music listener has hammered their hearing capability over many years, listening to ear pods or headphones, at high volumes, or in clubs with massive sound systems at 120dB or higher volumes. So to the majority of punters out there who would be listening to something as subtle as this plugin - I seriously doubt they would actually hear any effect from it whatsoever.

@cachelesssociety5187 3 ай бұрын

Well I'm not young either and have been playing loud guitar. My ears aren't as bad as Paul Gilbert's but I have trouble hearing about 12-14K This plugin sounds amazing on studio monitors. I don't know if it could be listening environment for you that prevents you from hearing much difference - but he really didn't do a gradual demo. If you don't want to demo it yourself, I recommend MixbusTV's video as he spends a bit more time gradually showing the changes. It's night and day depending on what you want.

@The_Doc_Rocks 3 ай бұрын

@@cachelesssociety5187 Heheh - 12-14KHz? I have a brick wall audiogram at 2.2KHz. Absolutely normal up to there, then from 2.3KHz up it's -120dB. So I rely on visuals to tell me what's happening anywhere above 2.2KHz. My mixes all seem to turn out OK, according to my 29yr old nephew who has bat-like hearing, as I go to great lengths to ensure I'm not compensating for my hearing deficit.