It's OVER! - Episode 36 - Vault Hunters

[@BATTLESTAR42]

I'm glad they made this decision instead of just having all the boiks grind through a pack they don't all like

[@Nevario1]

They do enjoy the pack but, the pace got to them. They felt left behind by the other groups.

[@Recessio]

I loved Hat Corp because you had goals to work towards (blowing up the others), not just progressing the mod pack. I could tell that Smith and Ross didn't enjoy this enough to keep up the same progress as the other groups. I like that the three of you are always up front and honest about channel changes when things work or don't work

[@V0LTIZ0R]

You guys need another adventure map that has an overall goal but lets you do it at your own pace. Much like Epic Hatventure did.

[@Tom_______C98]

I think they should try a "Complete the Monument" style map (like the Super Hostile maps by Vechs).

[@judemccabe1242]

I always knew that the other groups would outpace Hat films, even with the limit to only play at the same times. Duncan and Harry just have a way quicker pace than the bois, one literally speed runs the game and the other likes to complete sprawling mega packs. I am actuallly way more up for a slower one to listen too like a podcast in the background.

[@Gallaelwyd]

Maybe Ross will take up knitting, smith some sort of alchemy and Trott can finally finish lava in the drum

[@someguyonline4515]

Maybe like blightfall?

[@JordvL_]

Im sure I'm not alone in saying I love VH and Minecraft content - but even more so I love the fact that you're ending this series and not just letting it slowly die until there's a final episode and then not any more :) Looking forward to more MC xoxox

[@vogelvrouw]

Exactly!! I love them being upfront and honest with this type of stuff

[@notninaa]

Seems like the right decision to make, the boiks shine best when games give them space to mess about. Ranch simulator, worms and GTA playlists prove that much

[@Thoran666]

Gameplay for children, audio commentary for psychopaths. That's Hat Films. :D

[@RubelliteFae]

Hopefully Trott, Hulmes, and the rest who still want to play can figure some path forward. Honestly, this multi-channel VH series has been my favorite thing to watch. My daily comfort show to watch at lunch. And, NGL, it's the only reason I subbed to the channel and started watching other content like Worms. Of course we don't want anyone not enjoying it to feel they have to play. But, I'm hopeful the server can continue even if the team compositions change. And hopefully more interactivity between teams and maybe a bit more of that light RP we saw. I'm sure most of your supporters watch HF for HF sake, but many of us just loved the Yogs X VH dynamics.

[@finleyjennings6051]

I'm sure Trott can appear on Duncans series again.

[@HappyLarry.]

Not sure the number of specific Yogs VH fans is massive on the viewing here, but as Trott said he already crossed over to Duncan's series before they even started the group server

[@RubelliteFae]

@@HappyLarry. Yep yep! See my above comment. I had thought the whole server was over. Hopefully we get more content from the others this weekend.

[@MisunderstoodTree]

The only light RP I wanna see of these three blokes is some RED light RP u know wamsayin

[@Odyanii]

Not really surprising, there’s been a weird dynamic for some time now where Trott was clearly really excited about the pack and Ross and Smith just seemed like they were barely managing to feign interest. Plus the other teams were so far ahead by comparison

[@TelepathicWeasel]

you say "seemed" as if they didnt go into detail explaining how they felt about vh

[@skarloeythomas5172]

Why don’t they give Terraria ago? Seems perfect for them after Sjin’s series.

[@MegMyfawnwy]

Aww it’s sad to see you guys leave this series, but if it’s not working for all, then it’s good your moving into a different series of mine craft you’ll all enjoy! 🥳😁

[@georgewaterman1925]

Not surprised to see you here😂

[@MegMyfawnwy]

@@georgewaterman1925 of course I’m here 😜 I’m here, there and everywhere 🤣

[@toasty4000000]

Anyone who has watched you guys for a while saw this coming. It felt like you were holding out on the hope that Create was going to make things more fun, but I think we all saw the writing on the wall after watching you guys try and fail to get a water wheel spinning lol. I think you guys would like Create, but with how VH modifies it and with all the other fuckery that comes along with VH, I don't think it's well presented for you three to enjoy. I think the best minecraft series you guys ever did was the skyblock with sips. Skyblock packs are just inherently chill since you start with fuck all to do by design, and basically have to make your own fun (and are guided on doing so). I'm looking for a good skyblock pack myself, would love to play one alongside you guys if you pick one up. Some I've considered: "All the mods 7 - to the sky" looks pretty fun, has a lot of mods built in with a quest guide, and was last updated April 2023 so seems active. "Sky Chefs" sounds kinda fun/cute but can't seem to find any content about it. Was last updated today so even more active, but not nearly as popular

[@AxomA]

I've always liked the space packs, you have an overall goal of exploring planets but you can do it at your own pace

[@legatelaurie]

I think those might be difficult for them since the payoff only comes after a fair amount of work generally. Imo we'd probably see the series end before or immediately as they get to space

[@beth_mars]

I know I wrote this on the members episode but I thought I'd put it here too because it makes me sad to hear to talk badly of yourselves. Firstly, don't put yourselves down. It's been super enjoyable to watch! Secondly, I kind of expected this to happen as soon as you added people to the server. We like you because you're funny and silly and aren't competitive, but I think adding everyone made you feel like you had to rush and compete. Thirdly, I'm very glad that you're not calling it quits and that Trott is continuing his solo series. Thank you for continuing this series, probably long past the point of you all enjoying it. I am very much looking forward to what's next.

[@TylerOffline]

I really wanted to get into this series because I loved the old Minecraft videos but the pack lost me if I’m honest - looking forward to jetpacks, marble and dead ostriches (and whatever new hijinks you conjure up!)

[@LD-bj4xc]

Make sure you get the magic wands for the next pack,they make building way easier so Ross can relax while building a massive structure

[@yodamort1]

They're in this pack too, they just didn't unlock them lol

[@jamesbaurus5928]

They could have unlocked building gadgets for a trifling amount of knowledge stars. Dunno what to tell you

[@Tyriad_]

So glad to hear the new members content will be at half speed, I already watch all Hatfilms content at 0.25x speed, so this surely will make my viewing experience even more pleasurable!

[@batchicken1699]

I've loved the series, and I don't want to assume anything but there were times during the series where I thought maybe Ross or Smith weren't enjoying it as much. I'll be excited for whatever you move on to next but the important thing is that it's something that you three will all enjoy. Plus, I still have all the extended episodes to watch + the Trott solo episodes on top of that so it isn't over for me, and also I guess this comment is an advert for membership now.

[@BigSadClownBoi]

9:10 Woss_: Anyone have a spare controller on them? This one doesn't seem to be connecting. Smiff: Logitech maybe a Mad Catz, I don't know... Woss_: It cannot be main brand, it can't be a Sony, an Xbox... Hat Films reporting on live feed from the OceanGate Sub Disaster

[@samsamsam2125]

They finally considered pouches for looting and then quit 😢 Best series in a while. You all did well to make this so entertaining.

[@hannibal710]

Wish trott was putting out the solos eventually for non members but I get it, sounds good boys cheers

[@vogelvrouw]

Yeah, I would love to see them

[@Archelepago]

I'd honestly just suggest All The Mods 8, it gives you magic, engineering and some of the more challenge based content if you do ever want to do that too. You can also just faff about without too much worry, it's generally not too hard to reach automation for some things so that can let you not focus on farming resources once you eventually get to that point to giving more time for what you want to do.

[@adamfalldorf1581]

I agree, the "kitchen sink" style modpacks like all the mods is more like what they are describing.

[@JJJW9W9W]

I think the problem isn't necessarily even the mods, but just what the point is. What was the end goal of this series? What would the end goal of ATM8 be? I think half the issue is creating arbitrary goals - because achieving them only means more arbitrary goals. Are there any cool bosses in ATM8 or something along those lines?

[@TrechEc]

yeah atm8 is a great pack i agree

[@Archelepago]

@@JJJW9W9W I mean, it does have Botania. Which is a cursed modpack, but it does have bosses. That's entirely optional however.

[@MH-hu5pi]

​@@JJJW9W9Wis right. Without a set goal, Smith and Ross will just run in circles. Literally. Like they did multiple times in this series.

[@cloverfrost5967]

As others here have said, it would be great if a new multi-team server could be made so that the boiks have someone to blow up, build trains to and have great RP/interations/goals with!

[@JJJW9W9W]

Knew this would've been over quite quickly... I think the lack of an overall goal was the problem- the lads feeling like they had to grind tricky mechanics for no reason. Switch the vaults out for some old-school voltz or something. I think promising Smith and Ross that they'll have the opportunity to nuke other teams might get them a little more invested. Maybe a little mischievousness by allowing teams to clash, fight and steal might allow for more of the good crack.

[@factzilla1868]

Reviving minecraft every 4 years is a Hat Films tradition where they endure it with forced enthusiasm for around 20-30 episodes before remembering why they stopped the last time. At least it wasn't Thaumcraft.

[@JJJW9W9W]

@@factzilla1868 This is why I think they need to look at it from a different perspective- perhaps involving the community, becoming kings of the server or just allowing for hijinks and mayhem would allow for more of the RP they're clearly after. Doing the same thing over and over is pointless.

[@RubelliteFae]

I think their only goal was to catch up their level to other teams-which of course is Sisyphean. I think they would have enjoyed more if they didn't worry about vault levels so much and just concentrated on working with the mods. There's no reason that everyone on the same research team should need to do the vaults if they don't want to (every team had their player that works more on overworld stuff: Ross, Boba, Ben)

[@factzilla1868]

@@JJJW9W9W Personally I think it's fine if they never try playing Minecraft again. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. They should be doing new things, the content Hat Films of 2023 actually enjoys making. But it's like they're shackled by their own past - and their fans from that era - and are periodically forcing themselves back into the box of Hat Films circa 2014, forever chasing the dragon of hitting that million subs or something. I don't really know though, just the perspective of a casual but longtime viewer.

[@JJJW9W9W]

@@factzilla1868 You're absolutely spot on with this take. No pack is going to change what's been the case for years and years. Either the dynamic changes or it's just time invested into a project they aren't passionate about.

[@eshelynn]

All in One is pretty fun. It's a modded one block challenge, with astral sorcery and create. I don't remember it being too grindy, and it being a Skyblock hearkens back to earlier days.

[@RynsEden]

I often find myself revisiting old Hat Films minecraft content and you guys just fucking around is really what makes your minecraft let’s plays charming! It’s sad to see VH go but I’m sure we’ll love the new series even more

[@jepeman]

No mod pack will solve your issues with Minecraft and lack of goals. Minecraft is a sandbox, you need to create your own goals and its perfectly fine if you don't enjoy that. I don't play sandbox games either for that reason, I very much like more narrative focused games. Maybe try some adventure maps, if you absolutely must play Minecraft.

[@johnc_]

The curse of talking about something and then someone dies continues, the Logitech controller in the submarine...

[@CelticAdobo]

Kind of sad seeing it end, but I totally get it. Vault Hunters doesn’t really offer a lot of interaction with other teams or just general exploration. Like bringing back a community Yogs server is something that hasn’t been done in a while, but all three teams seem to just spend a lot of time at their own base when not vaulting so there isn’t a lot of interaction even with the more active members.

[@Roblino]

Very understandable decision. I quite liked this series, but you boiks probably made the right choice. Cant wait for the next series though. Id personally love something similar to the older adventure-type series cause those were always my favorite back then, but really any pack that all of you enjoy will be very enjoyable to watch.

[@Clockwonk]

I think the boiks are at their most entertaining when they're all having a good time with the game

[@k1mpman]

Haven't contemplated why I never really watched vault hunters but I think I just really like the jokes and legotalk so i never stuck around. I'm looking forward for you guys to get to do whatever you want the most. All the love x

[@kurovatu]

So excited to see you lads move on, Love Minecraft but I never understood they hype around this pack. looking forward to the new series

[@oreskec]

Sad to see stopping vault hunters, you guys play like the average viewer would I guess, but good to see you're properly ending series. Hopefully Duncan and Pedguin will not get discouraged and tthey'll keep playing and uploading, but dick ripping from your series will be missed. Trott, I (we) await you as a guest on those channels

[@Warius5]

I would love to see a voltz style thing where your against the other teams but in more of a chill way, working towards missiles to bomb each other or something

[@williamallan5791]

Just remember Sips and Sjin's mistake with the red matter bomb

[@TheGodEmperorOfMankind_]

A bit of a shame but the boiks should play what they like. All the Mods 8 or Create: Above and Beyond might be a modpack you could all enjoy, although it gets pretty technical. If you would prefer a skyblock style Sky Factory 4 or Stoneblock 2 are both great. EDIT: Another pack you might like Create: Astral, a fairly light pack based around create with more focus on building aesthetic buildings and machines but also space exploration

[@maddestmurph]

Saw this on the members side. Hope we can get something cool in the future!

[@mortiusshrek8038]

Great video guys! I have always tuned in for the lego talk myself, I thought this series had some funny conversations, if you think it's not the mod for you it's all good! It doesn't matter what the game mode is, it will definitely always be hilarious with you guys! Keep up the great content, cheers from Boston!!

[@bkillick72]

After watching you guys for a fair number of years now. I would suggest a mod pack called "DawnCraft". I think Smith will enjoy the combat and agriculture side of it, legendary minecrafter Woss_ as always will proved the building and witty banter and as for Trott the exploring and crafting will tickle his massive pickle!

[@zacleng7805]

I loved your old Minecraft content when I was a teen. I've watched this series, and I have enjoyed it, but like you've pointed out, I prefer the content where you're joking around. Like singing your personalised versions of Mary Poppins songs. Or Sad for Good. Or Put the Lava in the Drum.

[@thetearfoxx]

Guys I would love to see you play Stoneblock 3 so badly but thats not for everyone because of the progression. Ultimately I think you three would love packs such as RAD2 (Roguelike Adventures and Dungeons 2) where you can explore and build out with magic and tech or even a All the Mods 8 where you three can go crazy with so much stuff to do and never enough time.

[@HappyLarry.]

It's kinda incredible that the boiks have had minecraft as a relative staple for the channel, when the majority of their minecraft series have ended with then randomly dropping out of them, but I think it's because it was such a good vehicle for shit-talking. Trott loves the grind and exploring intricacies of a pack, Smith loves being a nerdy little combustion goblin, and Ross loves being a workhorse where he can jump from project to project. I think a series with a sense of finality is gonna be a good one for the boiks, one that has goals to hit and places to explore while having mods that are easy to understand but difficult to master. Smith and Ross just work on 100% short-term memory with minecraft, so that 'easy to understand' and goal orientation will help quickly set them up for each recording session

[@Prossay]

For what you want i suggest All the mods 8, it has a chilled pace that your after, got loads of decoration mods for ross to build with, plus it has a quest system which teaches you how to use the mods your not familar with and honstly you have my respect to keeping on with vault hunters as long and you guys did, that crap is a grind fest which kills all enthusiasm for minecraft. Oh before i forget ATM8 has mods like productive bees and mystical argiculture so you don't need to mine for hours off screen to do stuff when they are setup and also ATM 8 has a fun optional end game to make the ATM star to make creative type items for survival mode and other fun stuff

[@pancakestackona]

To be honest, I really see good Hat Films content as funny mini HatChats with entertaining visuals and the occasional snap back to focus about the game, GTA is a great example.

[@BadgerOfTheSea]

It was great to see you returning to Minecraft again. Made me feel like a teenager again coming home to log onto YT to see the hat boys get confused about how to play so just run around chatting nonsense while Trott does all the work

[@anachyinuk]

I'm glad you're not abandoning minecraft, as I do love you boiks stuff

[@valekkurn]

I’ve been a long time watcher of Hat Films, since they did the Wool Race for the Yogs channel, and the main issue I have these days is lack of variety vs. progression. The heyday of this channel for me was when every other week, they’d play some random coop game and had solid formats like “Havin’ A Bash”, had endless replay-ability to chat shit over games like Trials or short game series like GTA heists; mixed in with them doing some random irl VLOGs pissing about or mini trips. When I see “Minecraft Modpack Pt.1” in my feed, i just know it’s not gonna be rewarding to watch. It always trails off because any long form Minecraft series is basically outlined by “10 layered mechanics, resource gathering loop, no end or end goal, intense focus”. There’s a line between watching them depressingly trudge hard-to-grasp mechanics for 60 hours vs. them hysterically laughing at failing in games like the SWAT game recently or Human Fall Flat. These are games they can drop after 3 parts and move into another without us questioning it or expecting commitment to a greater series; without a fourth party like Sips to bounce off, I don’t think anyone here as an adult fan really wants a 40 part series. I try and watch most the boiks videos still as they’ve been a huge part of my life, but the main point is - we don’t care about the games, at all. We want to hear Smith talk misinformed science and crazy political takes, Trott laughing cause he’s fucked up and Ross in tears over some heinous dark humour joke the others said; then something mindless and basic that enables them to fight and laugh as the backdrop. The videos we as fans cherish the most is just Craig behind the camera and watching your chemistry as long time best friends shine. As far as minecraft, I’ve always thought adventure maps would be funny, there’s a story they can follow and fuck about with. But other games, why not multicam playthroughs of horror games like Amnesia or Outcast, or Elden Ring coop mod; the boss fights would be hilarious. Anyway, love the boys ❤ just wanna see them back in their prime and laughing away 🎩

[@valekkurn]

I wanted to add as well, I think something that potentially hinders the channel is the lack of someone as a ‘producer’ perhaps. I’ve been a day one watcher of other OG group channels like The Creatures/Cow Chop and The Sidemen (say what you will) and the success of those channels was contributed by the weekly variety, you’d get something new everyday; and the subject of the video would be picked out and produced by a member - mainly based on their own interests. I think the Sidemen view wise nail it because their every-Sunday upload schedule is on a 7 member rotation and they leave one member solely in charge of directing and arranging the content, so it’s always fresh ideas. And the The Creatures, my longest watched channel, were booming views between 500k-1mil in their height by just doing random stuff picked out by each member; anyone would think of something random and on the spot, pick up a camera, grab a friend and go film it. I don’t know if they would ever go about it considering how long they’ve been doing it independently, but I imagine if every so often a fourth party said “you’re doing this today, i’ve arranged it” be that a random day out or weird coop indie game, it takes pressure off them and they can just talk away without all the pressure of planning and worrying what will work for views/sub counts.

[@m6isme]

Funny that 13:37 should have such a brilliant Alex quote "Trott if you're going to talk any more I'm gonna need you to take a few caffeine tablets"

[@fish5645]

100% support you boys, a more chill minecraft pack would be awesome

[@chrispaulwalton]

Hope we can get a trott POV, or join Harry, Duncan and Ben or something. It's so fun watching this multi channel play through. Great content. Fair play the other boys don't enjoy it so don't continue for them but would love to see more of it for everyone else.

[@Vendettan]

Absolutely agree about the pace thing. When Iskall came on and said ‘the pack really picks up at level 50’ while they were sub level 20 I could really feel that the bois weren’t up for that grind 😂

[@happyhatebot]

Sad to see it go, but I enjoyed the ride, and I fully agree with their reasons for bouncing out. Hopefully they can find some other packs that are more fun for them, and that allow them to be the completely, utterly, nonsensical cursed boys we know and love. If everything was for everyone all the time, we wouldn't need a *variety* of things for people to do. Also Trott don't let Smiffy get into Botania. It looks like magic, it smells like magic, IT IS MADE OF LIES AND GLORP it's one of the most hardcore tech mods out there. It is anything but magic. If the man wants magic there are so many better packs! Save Smiffy before he goes down the path Ravs has walked! ...now Blood Magic, on the other hand...

[@Cow-Moth-With-A-CRT-Head]

I've been tooling around with am absolutely lovely pack recently called All the Fabric 6. It's got a nice selection of both tech and magic mods, plus some good decoration options. It also has some optional quests that try to guide you through the mods you might not be familiar with!

[@DrakeTain]

This went way longer than I expected. The boys just don’t do well with minecraft or these massive mod packs. The grind turns them off. Thanks for the episodes boys.

[@PickledPianoKY99]

i've enjoyed watching because i like Hat Films.... but i've also got bored of the pointless grinding just to get bigger numbers. Thanks for the interesting series regardless guys :)

[@MH-hu5pi]

So, I guess, you're not a fan of the diablo videos.

[@riverseverywhere]

sad to see this end, but excited to see what comes next!!!!!

[@caveofskarzs1544]

It was awesome to watch this as it went on, but I'm glad that you guys are going to look for something that fits you better.

[@doleph1]

Not surprising. Smith and Ross weren't too into it from the start and it seemed more stressful than fun for them. Play what's fun for everyone and allows for 10k dick jokes per minute! 😅

[@MuzzJWR]

This is definitely a good decision, hat films are at their best when they are just fucking around and chatting shit. Personally for me the peak of that is in their podcast but games like ranch simulator and worms are also great. I think a skyblock type map/modpack would be great. Just have such good memories of shatblock. I think as well it would be good if you all came into it at the same level, cause sometimes trott having to be the teacher feels a bit weird

[@SolstaceWinters]

This was fun, but I do agree that you guys need something that lets you riff and play at a pace that is to your liking. Something with a goal, but a "play at your own pace", as others have said. But boy oh boy, I can't wait for Ross to make yet another marble tower. I live and wait with bated breath.

[@Techstriker1]

17:52 Anyone know the name of this music track / song? Or is it a Hat Films original?

[@tenebraebr]

"Fuck knows" "IT IS A NORMAL NOSE, WHAT THE FUCK" I don't know why that made me laugh so much, but it did.

[@Liamneedham29]

honestly, sod finding a new modpack. Thats your answer. You need to think less about what's a new thing we can play, and more about what new format can we construct that will suit our very particular enjoyments. VH was made for people who want infinite challenging replayability in minecraft, and a way to detach from the world - in short, it was made for Harry. Some commenters below will suggest new modpacks but it's entirely down to how you interface with them, and most modpacks require you to play the exact same way as always. Look to how each of you play and enjoy games, and look to ways to vary or constrain what you can do in the game to change things up. Smith wants to play something that gives you cool things to do without grinding forever. Ross wants to pot about building, low skill but highly creative tasks. Trott wants a game to play, things to complete and check off, number go up, achievement get. Of all of them Trott is most arsed to learn something and commit time to things, and maybe thats just because he played VH in his spare time and liked it. Smith was happy to get stuck into vaults, but hated having to git gud, especially constantly comparing their progress to other teams. Ross plays games very differently, was never going to improve smacking his head against something so glorpy and rigorous, and was just surviving through repeated vaults. They want to lego talk but they're having to take their attention back to vaulting, just to survive, which they end up not doing and make zero progress. Build a Hat Pack. Have Create in there, have Thaumcraft, whatever mods you want but nothing that destroys the base game with over-complexity. Have some traditional RPG mods that could give you abilities, stats, more overworld structures and cool biomes. Do your research and don't put in a tonne of glorp, and DONT just grab a questbook modpack. Hulmes doing quests was a legit refreshing idea, harkens back to SoI and the capability of the yogs to tell stories and dick about, and I'm sad we didn't see more of that - the VH parts kind of sidelined that way too strongly. As for what the audience wants: - the Hats loving something enough to actually want to learn (will require a very low barrier to entry) The fact that everything that piqued your interest is gated behind such a massive grind is the biggest reason this failed. You need to be engaged from the start. It works for high-skill psychos like Harry, who are happy to grind and learn a whole new game in a couple of hours and then get rewarded for that dedication to the challenge with a whole heap of new content. - Minecraft, Hats in Minecraft (people are nostalgic for minecraft, it does what other games will try and fail to accomplish, and we KNOW minecraft - we like VH but its just not the right fit for Hat Films). I personally take huge breaks away from the content of HF and some other Yogs, because they get into a groove playing a game I just don't enjoy. Minecraft is one of the few that I can consistently rely on being able to watch for a while. I hardly ever get to watch Sips, cos hes always playing Rimworld, games that just dont interest me. Honestly, a lot of the Yogs content these days has been stale, and it's entirely the games fault, it's not from a lack of being entertaining on the part of the Yogs members. A lot of us came to the world of gaming videos and livestreams through minecraft, and would have never had the same engagement to the majority of games on the market. - Building a world, not a camp. Instead of the usual modpack energy of building a lag-factory or a messy outdoor complex. Single-blocks that do everything (which most modpacks use) are the reason nothing interesting gets built, because you can just have all your items made, stored and upgraded in one room. RP might be a good way to achieve this too, with shops, factories, territories, trade routes. You can do it with or without a mod, but I'm sure there are tonnes of mods that could help achieve this. Create being a good one for factories. It might seem pointless, but putting constraints on anything that is just craft-block-to-win WILL let you focus on those things you enjoy - building and creating because you want to achieve something. - ANY BIG YOGSCAST SERVER - people have been crying for this since Tekkit days, it just makes sense. Sips' dadcraft was so good, and then stopped, Capture the Wool was fun but now is solely a community thing, this was the closest real attempt at a Yogs server and now its gone too - at a time when so many yogs are playing and enjoying minecraft too. Take a look at the VH server that Harry is on, and some of the minecraft servers Martyn is on, particularly the New Life SMP, where the players have defining abilities and the focus is on builds. None of these verbatim will be a good fit, but theres tonnes of inspiration. And a lot of the hesitancy from some of the Yogs to join comes more from the knowledge that it probably isn't going to last too long, so why try and get committed. If someones going to do it, be committed and you will succeed. I'm rooting for you, and hope you find something more to your liking. If you read this, I'm sorry for it being so long but please take note, I think I've really covered what most of the audience is hoping for. Ultimately though, the audience only really wants HF to be happy. Do what you like. End of.

[@jamesbaurus5928]

They never really reached the grind. I guarantee they had all the resources to make cool create stuff, make refined storage, and do pretty much anything they wanted reasonably in the mid game. It's not that they don't want "a lot of grind" it's that they want no grind. Nothing, free resources with no time put in and make cool shit. And that's fine, but it gets boring when you spawn everything in and complete a mod pack in 5 hours. That would be, what, 5 episodes at most. I just think they should let Trott do minecraft and the trio can do other things. Create still has a huge grind to it and so does Thaumcraft

[@finleyjennings6051]

It's funny because now they are levelled up and have got better, Duncans team do a lot of lego talk and banter whilst vaulting which makes them seem less of a chore compared to the hats.

[@Liamneedham29]

@@jamesbaurus5928 "Its that they want no grind" is a problem with a lot of the Yogs, which Ive never understood given all of them have thousands of hours on Dota, all of them find the time to play games off stream. I do think it stems from, they have to be initially invested and rewarded heavily to stick with it, otherwise theyd rather be anywhere else. Which is a weird perspective - if you have an open mind and stick with something eventually you'll be too committed to not get good and find some level of enjoyment. I think, change up the playstyle to be less about "I do the glorp because modpack say glorp" which is just frustrating, boring and has no endgame. Doesnt this sound much more fun. We're on a server with friends, lets build a cool base, lets build a town we can meet, lets set challenges and games for each other, lets delegate industries and trade resources and have territory we fight over. We can lean into a bit of RP, flexing those creative muscles that we've always had and used to great effect (think their Music streams, any time they play DnD, or when their usual lego talk gets whimsical). And I don't see how that forces them into any pointless grind or tedium, it can facilitate any and all of their playstyles and enjoyments.

[@Liamneedham29]

@@finleyjennings6051 Ye they really bailed at a strange point. They had the mindset of, this wont be fun until we unlock X. Which meant until they unlocked X, it wasn't fun because they wouldn't let it be. And when they unlocked X, if X wasn't absolutely amazing, effortless, super fun right away, then nothing about the game is fun anymore. And why bother. Wrong mindset from the get go. Duncan is very good at being carefree. Its why he comes across as absolutely incompetent 90% of the time, and then actually pops off. He really doesnt think, "I can't believe Im not as good at this as I thought", and just keeps at it until he is good. Harry of course was just good at the game. He gets there by putting in a lot of hours, sure, but its more than that. Hes rigorous when it comes to learning and improving, he knows where the gaps in his skill are and puts in a lot of time to plug them. He leans on the blebs to tell him what hes not appreciating. You can do all of this without hours and hours of dedication. The Hats play for hours and hours without the right mindset, and this was exascerbated by VH being very skills focused. Ben was for a long time in that mindset of not feeling competent. He was also very attentive to YT comments and let it get him down. But the sheer level of improvement from Ben to go from literally 0 experience to where he is now, is impressive. it is all down to mindset to difficulty, approach to learning and an open mind.

[@swaggaming2564]

agreed, resurrect HatPack

[@aethernaut1899]

Yeah, this is for the best. I hope, well, I'm sure you are, but I hope you're having some serious conversations about how to ensure you're making content that you all enjoy and can commit to. Best of luck.

[@zonedereve]

Oh no! Sad to see it end but I'm excited for whatever is next. I enjoyed the golden hand a lot!

[@syphonuk]

I like Vault Hunters but I think it suffers a bit from complexity/implicit knowledge and a community that can be a bit toxic at times. I played it a lot but the latest changes have leaned heavily into min/maxing and requires an in-depth understanding of game mechanisms which most casual players don't have/want. When you watch streams now, it's just level 80 and above players speed running vaults over and over again, with a community that's highly critical of any other form of gameplay. That's really not fun for a lot of people and I can totally understand why it has put people off. I'm a big fan of extraction shooters but I feel Vault Hunters is something else/is going in a different direction. That said, people still love it and that's great. On to the next thing for the rest of us.

[@Youdontmakethiseasy]

Sad to see it end but at the same time looking forward to the next series!!

[@TheeMrShtinker]

It's awesome to hear that Shatblock with SIPS is comming back!!!

[@unorthodoxbox]

I'm gonna suggest Curseforge Create+ Modpack. Got a bit of everything from my experience. I enjoyed building trains on it.

[@Ari_Bytes]

MODPACK TIPS: ATM8 (or 9 when that gets updated and good :P) Since Thaumcraft is dead(basically devs changed and its farthest down on a todo list :c ) I recommend getting into Ars Nevau/Evil craft/Botania for Smith. Create is Greate (HAHAH.. kill me) and is in most modern extra large packs :D along side with AE2 and/or RS for storage. A mod I think Trott would enjoy returning to (since hatcorp if I remember correctly) is Mekanism and mekanism reactors, since they now have expanded it beyond just windmills with nuclear reactors :D Both ~Marble~ and other ~generic building materials~ exist, so that's nice for the resident pro minecrafter Woss_HTMLcineMax. ATM 8 Also has the ATM Mod for late game alongside :3 Hope to see you guys playing Minecraft soon again :))

[@bounce0606]

Noooo :( was my favourite series sadge

[@evanrossman2804]

i'm glad you're going back to the bantz. i've been with you for about a decade. it took me (as an american) to figure out which voice was which person. keep going mates!

[@CptCupcakeUk]

My friends and i ran into similar issues, some liked the questing elements, others liked the more tech/comp stuff, some liked doing mega mines/mechanical etc and i enjoyed farming/cooking and building. We've not found a full ready to go pack that works for us yet, but had a bit more success of picking a pack and using that as a base to add more specific mods to. So perhaps try to find mods that you each want individually and see what works together with a pre built pack and them to it? Either way i'm looking forward to seeing what's next.

[@apeekintime]

The Boiks rarely finish a goal. They start series and do stuff until one of them is bored and they just switch back to some golf and worms. The closest thing to a complete playlist is them playing GTA heists but I think much of that content was sponsored. You can tell neither Smith or Ross really care for minecraft and it was probably something Trott could have done with other members of the Yogs to create content. It would put all the work on his as the main editor but the other guys could have focused on something they enjoy to keep the pipeline full of content. At the end of the day, this is their job and a business. If a project isn't working you have to move on but maybe a bit more thought about the content pipeline and workflow would them find success as a team.

[@TheFreeRangeTofu]

This has been an awesome series to watch, but you have to enjoy doing it to make it worth watching. Looking forward to your next adventures

[@whosadaman8326]

this pack feels like its meant for people who like to grind, its a very old school early mmo style of gameplay that really is such a pain in the neck

[@nestorcoria5485]

What mod did they use for the rainbow outline on the blocks?

[@factzilla1868]

Reviving minecraft every 4 years is a Hat Films tradition where they endure it with forced enthusiasm for around 20-30 episodes before remembering why they stopped the last time. At least it wasn't Thaumcraft.

[@JJJW9W9W]

I think Smith said it best- that he wants to be able to mess about and "chat shit". A lot of the frustration that was growing in the comments was because these podcast style just chatting episodes fall flat, as when you click on a minecraft video you expect them to play minecraft. At what point does it become a 30 minute tik tok with a minecraft parkour overlay? The mods arent the issue, and trying new mods to achieve something different has led to the cycle you're talking about. The overall dynamic is what needs to change- not the mods.

[@factzilla1868]

@@JJJW9W9W Yep and for the Minecraft stans: it's fine if they never try playing Minecraft again. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. They should be doing new things, the content Hat Films of 2023 actually enjoys making.

[@theeutecticpoint]

That's too bad, but at the same time it's great to hear you are looking for something you guys can do together!

[@kamikazesopp]

I enjoyed this series, but it became painfully obvious a while ago that the drive wasn't there anymore. Looking forward to the next series.

[@LB-rj7fj]

The one small singular door into the base after 36 episodes is a good metaphor of the level they are looking for.

[@dylanburton8278]

I hate to be the only guy he that says it but for the past few episodes, you could tell Woss_ and smithy weren’t really in to it, which is fine, not everyone has to Enjoy VH style gameplay, thank you guys for the laughs and finishing this series off properly ❤

[@onironius8008]

A magical Shatblock/Skyblock would be pretty neat.

[@Khrayfish]

Felt the exact same way about Vault Hunters. We ended up moving over to All The Mods 8 instead.

[@therusted_spork5539]

If you guys are wanting to go all out with a huge modpack then "TNP Limitless" is the way to go. Has quite a few magic, tech, building mods in it and doesn't really have anything locked behind progression (unless you want to craft creative items)

[@mrprince911]

This is what happens when you leave the hand of truth buried.

[@Justin-TPG]

Over? We were just getting started! Now Ravs can adopt Trott. But seriously, I think goals-driven and/or competitive games that all three of you like and can also piss about in is the best way for Hat Films. Ross and Trials notwithstanding.

[@joeltaylor7741]

OCEAN BLOCK! Or realistically, the current ftb sky block because then Ross can build properly without being underwater

[@vortongaia3183]

A couple suggestions are Stoneblock which they’ve been playing on the Yogs main channel. Basically think Skyblock but stone dimension. Then there’s Simply Magic which is self explanatory. I guess one more I’d recommend would be Create Above and Beyond which is a pack centered around the Create mod.

[@MaxWidogast]

I don't think Stoneblock is very appealing to them since it's literally a cave you have to dig out yourself. Seeing Ross create elaborate buildings in the world is one of the best things, you can't really do that in stoneblock.

[@5uperM]

I enjoyed the series. I wish you played more of it.

[@freac212]

100% Valhelsia 5, a very good pack that fills all needs and is fairly universal! Im waiting for v5.1 to exit pre release, it should be soon!

[@freac212]

It features magic packs, create and other technical packs, as well as your simpler packs to enjoy like Farmers Delight and the many decor packs to aid in building.

[@Yakkahboo]

If you're looking for suggestions, I have recently started playing All The Mods 8, which is a kitchen sink pack, with quest book, on 1.19. having a whale of a time playing with newer magic, tech and exploration mods. Might be worth a shout lads?

[@BlackIronHero]

I'll miss the series but I agree that it was a little frustrating to see no jump crits and no sprint jumping and not much skill progression as the series continued. Looking forward to the next series though!

[@vythe1794]

Super happy you guys are switching.

[@benny_boi549]

Skyblock with Sips 2?👀

[@EldritchVox]

Idk if this is going to be useful any time soon since it's still in development but the official Thaumcraft 7 mod is being developed by team COFH and Smith might be interested

[@jamesmaceaveli6679]

I'm sad to see VH go, but I'm happy to hear we are getting more Minecraft again soon. Maybe you boiks should try out another SkyBlock thing, SkyFactory is pretty good.

[@spudtato]

If you're looking for a cool modpack. I've been playing StaTech Industry, it has magic and tech and quest rewards. Also Duncan has been playing Stoneblock which is a cool quest oriented pack.

[@bennyaltmann875]

The cave block mod pack Duncan started looks pretty chill

[@xCopyCatz]

Maybe they should try space engineer, where they can mess around inside with the CLANG and building!

[@timeord]

Will miss this series but good for the boys for deciding end it if they don't do the content they want

[@AyyyyyyyyyLmao]

All the mods would give you guys variety and create! There's also a create astral pack that takes you too the moon! 🌙

[@kulan331]

Play whatever version of Minecraft you want, I'm just here for the hat boiks banter