It Took 15 People To Write THIS Song?

[@ahelleneauthor]

“There is no singular vision to this.” Nailed it. It’s faceless and could have been recorded and written by anybody.

[@thetruthchannel349]

*Thats what the people that bought up all the catalogues want. You don't want to spend blood & money to buy billions in publishing & have it challenged by new writers with better material or even as good as.*

[@DavidDatura]

So true!

[@DeeEllEff]

Wasn’t it? 😜

[@DeeEllEff]

@@flymetothemoon2881 And “it” refers to what, exactly?

[@gabagool_ovahere]

So why didn't you do it then?

[@mtbrdude]

Doesn't sound like a Coldplay song, it sounds like someone else just hired Christ Martin to sing on their track.

[@redMaple_QC]

The vocal melody is very Coldplay.

[@michaelg6972]

@@redMaple_QC ie limited?

[@just2comment2]

It sounds like chris martin has gone solo with not a band in sight.

[@immikeurnot]

I honestly pay didn't think Coldplay could get any more bland. I was wrong.

[@shambhav9534]

You feel that because you've probably nothing from Coldplay in recent years. That's just the Coldplay sound nowadays. It's optimised for playing live or something, I guess.

[@jobogaert8514]

sounds like I never want to hear it again

[@inadlas6602]

Absolutely bottom of the barrel mind numbing music. The mainstream music is in a vegetative state.

[@PersianRockstar21]

Melody wasn’t bad, but definitely overproduced

[@KelmutHool]

You will hear it again soon, under a different title, and with credits to 16 "songwriters"

[@darthlaurel]

I like Chris but I absolutely hate the rap vibe of this song.

[@pfzt]

Yeah, sounds very mid, all the more reason to wonder why it takes 15 people to write this.

[@CaratacusAD]

Chatgpt "Please create me a 2024 pop song with Chris Martin on vocals"

[@leivabernie]

Exactly, AI makes it and 13 people get credit. So lazy.

[@Soshikix]

I literally asked ChatGPT to write a Coldplay song and it sounded awfully repetitive, just like this. Embarrassing.

[@masowmates]

made my day!

[@theworkhorse7439]

Yup

[@valeriekoss6218]

Ha, ha, ha. Good one.

[@JCridford]

This is honestly feels like a Premium Beat royalty-free track you'd hear on a student film.

[@NowhereMan7]

I little nicer but yeah I can hear it. Sounds like a an ad for a car thats going to have sweeping shots of mountains and hills and forests with a car zooming through.

[@1dkappe]

BTW are the Spanish and Arabic lyrics different from the English ones?

[@tonywilson11]

i wasn’t watching the video… when the music started, i thought it was an ad lol

[@NowhereMan7]

@@tonywilson11 he says "lets listen to the song" before starting it though. And he speaks over the intro before it starts to sound like ad music. I've never had an ad in a Beato video before either. He just talks about his courses if anything. Go and sit in the corner with all the people that say they spat their drink out after hearing a joke 😤

[@tonywilson11]

@@NowhereMan7nice.

[@Emburbujada]

This is what happens when bands try to be "relevant" instead of just being themselves.

[@JA-ut8fi]

But yet they get paid millions? While the rest of us fade into obscurity.

[@Sonny_McMacsson]

When you're doomed to be no one you can't be yourself.

[@TT-df9hp]

It's sad. Coldplay were a good band at one point, their first two albums were solid and had some great songs on them.

[@Manisono]

Agree. They didn't write a song, they created a product.

[@moi01887]

...because being "relevant" is more profitable. Not that profit is all bad... musicians need to eat. But I'd much rather see 10 musicians making $100K a year than one making a million and the others starving.

[@Daanguitarhero]

As rick rubin said, when audience is taken into the writing, its not art, its commerce. Mic drop

[@ia5662]

Boom.

[@zachde5940]

It can be a mix but sometimes one side is definitely winning the struggle between art and commerce.

[@bradspitt3896]

If you don't believe in objective art then statements like this hold no weight.

[@zachde5940]

@@bradspitt3896 Right. Anything frames as art is art. You could argue there is good and bad art, but it is at least somewhat subjective. I tend to think that like language "good art" is the intersection of social agreement and the pragmatic reality (how much people enjoy or appreciate it) and existing (art) norms. Also, art isn't and should not be a competition...though sometimes being steered towards "high quality" art is necessary because we have limited time in this life.

[@bradspitt3896]

@@zachde5940 Yea that's all bs. Art is objective. Some art sucks ass.

[@songboy40]

That this is Coldplay's new single, is heartbreaking. Truly.

[@strikerbowls791]

All My Love is the new single

[@alfpetzer5812]

They were always shite tbh

[@easye9-21]

​@@alfpetzer5812Disagree. I loked the first few albums.

[@theblondebomber]

Watching Coldplay perform these songs is SO cringe inducing as their guitarist just bops around sort of pretending to play his guitar while Chris Martin sings with a prerecorded track of drumloops and synth tracks. As a fan of their first two albums it’s humiliating.

[@lupowins]

They had one of the sharpest drop offs of a band for me, 2 strong albums to start and then downhill.

[@photoshop-graphicxtras]

I agree, they created amazing work at first and now, just not very special at all - so sad

[@thatsroughbuddyyy]

​@@lupowins 4*

[@richsimpson450]

Exactly what Maroon 5 did. Was never a fan, but they were a real band with real musicians and real songs. Not they’re some manufactured pop Adam Levine thing.

[@brunomadail]

@@richsimpson450 OMg yes that is so true it´s horrible, Maroon 5 was such a good band with such good starting album.

[@khaiamdar8222]

This is music made for content. This isn't art, this was programmed to be used for tiktoks.

[@Diego-ih8kv]

Funny I just have done the same comment before read yours!

[@drkstnly6040]

but that's all of Coldplay music probably post Viva La Vida

[@music777u]

Yes!!!

[@Dickachu2]

So true! To write a 5 second part that can be used over and over on those fukin tiktoks.

[@brushstroke3733]

Good point.

[@angelusrufus7479]

We have a proverb in Poland: "Where there are six cooks, there is nothing to eat." This also applies to the situation with "preparing" songs.

[@jasongsux3520]

In Croatia, it's "Too many midwives, disabled child."

[@Dudldom]

Germany: Too many cooks spoil the porridge.

[@ΚατερίναΤσιτσιμπίκου]

In Greece: Too many cockerels crowing, dawn comes late

[@hansmverbeek]

That

[@benjaramone3364]

In Chile "too many hands kill the baby"

[@challengerpy-c5i]

Almost 4 years watching you, my friend. Thank you for never changing.

[@jeromejamies3641]

He is a bit one-sided, though, he should try finding Minneapolis on the map

[@spagzs]

15 writers and this still sounds like a song I’ve heard before

[@rap3208]

It is so derivative once you finished listening to it, you forget how it sounded like. Another one of those here-today, gone-tommorow songs/music.

[@just2comment2]

This is making me feel better about my solo songwriting lol

[@mattnieri1202]

Actually the sung melody and chord progression sound exactly like 8 bars from that classical string quartet piece that has been on a bunch of commercials this year, but I don't know what the piece is. I hear it everywhere. They just made a lame pop version of it. Anyways, you'd think 15 writers would make the song kind of a Frankenstein's monster, but instead it's as generic and cliche as possible.

[@VonOzbourne]

To be fair, you probably have heard it before. Chances are that half of those 15 credited writers were just the people who owned the rights to the handful of songs that this one "borrowed" bits from. @@mattnieri1202 Going back a ways, but the string quartet piece I was reminded of was the one used in those old De Beers "diamonds are forever" ads. Albeit slowed and simplified.

[@neil1killick]

I was racking my brains trying to think what it sounded like and then I remembered - "It's a Sin" by the Pet Shop Boys. Very similar sound and chord progression (at least in the chorus).

[@user-pq9ji7kt4l]

Think 12 would be perfect. Each one gets one note.

[@grantperkins368]

Sounds right, 3 per chord

[@macleadg]

😂

[@esterhudson5104]

😂😂😂

[@J_B72]

I’ll take every major 3rd. But, someone else is going to need to take the minor 3rd. I’m super busy.

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

Too many notes.

[@jimcanani]

"We Pray" this song to be over

[@DrewKay-y6z]

True, it's an awful song.

[@MomLAU]

Love them, but this is definitely _not_ one of their better songs IMHO.

[@btsdancestudio5691]

Lol...haha..its a good song!

[@thepointingfinger]

Sounds like anemic pap. AI does it better in 5.

[@maestrovonhuge9397]

Yeah one of my most never wanna hear again bands.

[@chicosuavemusic]

I kind of feel prouder of my two EPs that I wrote, performed, and recorded now. I’ll never be famous, and the songs might get a handful of streams on Spotify & Apple Music, but hey, they are honest and heartfelt. And to me, that is what always attracted me to the artists I adore.

[@pedrokoury1352]

Same here man!

[@menninkainen8830]

And they can't be worse than this.

[@lexworld1807]

“How many people does it take to write a song?” … Sounds like a start of a bad joke.

[@YankeeFiddler13850]

Many of these new songs ARE bad jokes

[@ExpressoMechanicTV]

@@YankeeFiddler13850 Amen to that!

[@justme-kt7zt]

A priest, a rabbi, and a bass player walk into a bar...

[@vincentberg5938]

How many song writers does it take to plug in a synth kit?

[@Sonny_McMacsson]

@@justme-kt7zt A sheep, an agreeable Russian and a stick of dynamite walk into a bar... A sheep, an agreeable Russian and Microsoft's search engine walk into a bar.

[@derekgusoff6768]

The song sounds like an ad.

[@gabrielperrymusic]

An ad for the unfolding Apocalypse.

[@softjones3128]

@@gabrielperrymusic or Target. Same thing.

[@samanjj]

@@derekgusoff6768 now that you mention it at the end I expect to hear “drive one today”; “for refreshment”; “call now”

[@MuadDib1402]

thats what cold play have been doing since the start, they reailsed that that is where the money is.

[@salemanjericao]

Like all Coldplay songs

[@nutsbutdum]

Random guy accidentally walks into the studio thinking it was the men's room...boom! He's on the writers list!😂

[@Syncop8rNZ]

Sounds like he excreted something all over it too.

[@SidAlienTV]

But he brought enough coke for the whole crew. He deserved to be in the list.

[@lance31415]

But it's in someone else's handwriting

[@michaelmeehan9083]

😂

[@zwerko]

Don't be so harsh, he contributed the recording of his weeing sounds which turned into a symphonic flute after being run through 23 post-processing filters whose authors were also added to the songwriters list...

[@JhonnyMclclean]

Your last statement really summed it all up, Rick.

[@brainchild_tm]

"Making music incredibly...... boring." 👏👏👏 🤝

[@Ag89q43G0HyA]

thats why i hate perfect music. same as lady gaga did on joanne and the jazz album with tony, and the last eardrilling with brunomars, its incredible music, extremely perfect. but its fckn boring.

[@CasualSpud]

Jeff Lynne... sends the band out to watch a football match... writes Evil Woman. Too many cooks kills the modern song

[@MrBratalis99]

PLEASE get mr. Lynne in for an interview

[@atomicsmith]

@@MrBratalis99that would be a great interview!

[@BMicalMusic]

@@MrBratalis99 Jeff Lynne is the gate keeper of the past & future of sound.

[@CasualSpud]

@@atomicsmith Definitly.. between ELO, the Beatles, Wilburys, Petty, Orbison, Brian Wilson... the man is rock royalty

[@MrBratalis99]

@@BMicalMusic I was blown away by the album "Time", just 11 years old. The talent that man has is out of this world. Not only as a singer/songwriter, but also as a producer.

[@samuelbrown434]

Boring is a great way to put it. They each had to make a contribution so devoid of anything interesting or engaging so it didn’t clash with anything else.

[@eddiejansen3918]

Mmhmm. Hit the nail on the head there.

[@spencergsmith]

Absolutely. There isn’t one cohesive vision or sound, so everything gets brought down to the lowest common denominator.

[@psidvicious]

And no doubt each “contributing artist’s” attorney reviewing the track pre release, insuring that their “artist’s” portion is sufficiently represented. Oh god..what a load of crap.

[@strikerbowls791]

The dramatic strings are interesting

[@CoasterMagicX2]

I'll try to break this down with as much information as I can find... because i'm curious too. I know the video says 15 but I only counted 14. Here's the 14 songwriters with as much info I could find on their contribution: Guy Berryman - member of coldplay Jonny Buckland - member of coldplay Will Champion - member of coldplay Chris Martin - member of coldplay Simbiatu Ajikawo - Aka: little simz, guest rapper Shawn Carter - legal name of Jay Z, no info online about contribution Elian Marjieh - aka: Elyanna. vocals and additional verse on arabic version of song Max Martin - Producer Damini Ogulu - aka: Burna boy, guest rapper verse Mauricio Rengifo - No info on contribution other than "Songwriter" Davide Rossi - string arranger llya Salmanzadeh - Producer/programmer Martina Stoessel - aka: tini, Vocals and additional verse on spanish language version Andrés Torres - no additional info on contribution other than "song writer" I think most of the songwriting credits come from the 4 guest artists and the 4 members of coldplay. Taking them out, you have 6 people. Max martin and ILYA who are both reasonably famous swedish producers, Andre's torres and Mauricio Rengifo who are a reasonably famous latin music producers, Davide Rossi, who seems to have arranged the string parts and Jay Z who maybe did walk into the studio and they had to give him writing credit cause he's jay Z.

[@DaneBryantFrazier]

It amazes me how so many songs are written by so many songwriters and yet these very songs sound like any other song you've ever heard before.

[@Ag89q43G0HyA]

thats their main goal, the goal of max martin. it always has been.

[@fernandomenotti177]

Prince Rogers Nelson aka Prince. A one-man band. 40+ albums written mostly by himself, with a handful of exceptions where he had bandmates and his own father as co-writers. And I'm not even counting the songs he wrote and produced for other artists. Definitely miss that kind of talent nowadays...

[@Nanoo777]

Exactly this!

[@christopherzehnder]

He was the definition of prolific….

[@MobiusBandwidth]

and he played all the instruments frequently. and expertly.

[@jenniferfoster1692]

Wrote the songs then often played all the instruments, produced them, sang them then danced his ass off while singing & playing guitar on stage. How do artists today show their faces?

[@1977sadhana]

The crazy part is, (and this may be the early rumblings of what we see here) his early demos, written/ self recorded I believe as a teen, are more complex and really better music than his later stuff. He was both a genius at writing and unfortunately smart enough to read the wind and dumb down his wizardry for the 30 second to 2 minute attention span of our devolving species....

[@Connorb2008]

If an artist is sampled, they also get writing credits. For example in Beyonce's don't hurt yourself off her album lemonade, all four members of Led Zepplin are credited because the drums off of When the Levee Breaks are sampled

[@wills2140]

Yep, that is not uncommon.

[@anandmorris]

I think all of beyonces songs are sampled and have 15+ song writers.

[@SayAhh]

Also, if an artist accidentally or intentionally duplicates someone else's work, they eithet voluntarily contact that artist and add them or get sues and is forced to add them.

[@Connorb2008]

@@SayAhh that happened to george harrison

[@oskarfunes2505]

Man I listened to that Zeppelin song today whike driving, in no way I have desire to listen to Beyoncés sample

[@LIBERTYMarkAaron]

Coldplay’s career reads a mission to make One Direction look organic. Chris has become such a princess, it’s like his musical ambitions are limited to Top Of The Pops.

[@franciscoindacochea3184]

It's incredible it took 15 people to creat something so inconsequential.

[@mojodojo5533]

😂😂 they really should win a Grammy for that.

[@lvrplfc4l]

That and the fact there were 5 producers and 6 engineers plus 15 assistant engineers. I going to guess the additional producers and some of the engineers were because the guest vocalists did their recording some place other than were Coldplay was recording.

[@imacg5]

there are more inconsequential things that are created by 15 people than you think

[@ruthlesscutthroat4030]

WHATS WITH ALL THE TOOL REFERENCES IN THE COMMENTS

[@TomTomicMic]

But Coldplay had an analysis of one of their songs by the legendary Rick Beato, they chalked that up as a win, it's just perception, either you like it or you don't It's a choice, it's "not" compulsory!?!

[@JakeDonaldson]

Honestly, with there being 4 features on the song, it doesn’t really come as a surprise to me that each featured artist may have created their part with their own group of writers. The real surprise is when you see that the next song, JUPiTER, which has no features, also has 11 writers.

[@TheTailors1]

And that’s part of the problem… each “artist” is just the face of the team.

[@secretstorymusic]

Has anyone ever seen the entire BWV catalog of Bach's work on a music library shelf? It takes up an entire aisle. He was the only songwriter.

[@PhilbyFavourites]

I skim read your comment and wondered why Bach was involved with BMW……? I thought perhaps he’d written the music for an ultimate driving machine advert…?

[@darthlaurel]

And no one like him since.

[@caleblarsen5490]

Had Mozart not died early, I think he might have been just as prolific. ​@@darthlaurel

[@palitolitola]

@@PhilbyFavouritesHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@alisonderrick1067]

“Soli Deo Gloria “ ~ Bach signed all his works “To God alone be all the glory” ❤

[@Special_K_42069]

Yeah, the fame invariably changed their sound. I get it. They probably want to showcase up and coming artists, collaborate with people, etc…but I worry they’ve lost touch with their fans (crazy to say, considering their worldwide appeal). But it isn’t the Coldplay I fell in love with. That’s a rush of blood to the head, everyday life, music of the spheres, ghost stories.

[@Ninjabadger76]

It blows my mind that 15 people want to hear it

[@boxvango9021]

😂❤🎯

[@frankmurphyburr3598]

😅

[@jarrettchristensen_music]

"corporate music"

[@robertocaba5915]

😂😂😂

[@lrpops]

😂😂

[@danyavilaoficial]

I’ve always been involved in the Latin music business. I know a lot of stories. Just one of them is a songwriter friend of mine wrote a beautiful tune a few years ago. He pitched it and got selected to be in an album of a great Spanish singer that won THE VOICE in Spain. He didn’t know much about the business and signed a lot of papers. Later he realized the song was credited to 5 people, complete strangers to him, he got a 10% cut of royalties. He was devastated. The saddest part of this story is THE PRODUCER of that album was once interviewed in a show and commented in detail how was inspired to write that song (the song my friend wrote and not him)

[@Atlas65]

😳 That is a terrible story

[@AdrianDeVore]

Horrible! In America, he would have been filing retroactive royalty lawsuits.

[@bentaylor4705]

Brutal 😔

[@sharonsnail2954]

Your comment about "committee", Rick, is spot on. Committees tend to compromise. Compromise leads to lack of focus. Lack of focus leads to ... boring.

[@jaybee9269]

Preach, Sharon! You’re right.

[@diggingattycho7908]

It sucks, we will no longer have the musicians, turning a few knobs on a keyboard. Thinking that sounds cool, by luck made a classic with that sound.

[@wandabarnes650]

There are multiple versions of this song in different languages- which may explain why so many song writers

[@dave9497]

Earlier in my life as a musician, I was very despondent over the reality that I was not going to be successful in my career. It took me a while to come to terms with this. On the other side of 50... much is being revealed about this profession... and I can honestly state that I am blessed to have never been successful in music.

[@djavidianmx1832]

Dude, you have succeeded, you're just defining it wrong😉

[@shayneoneill1506]

I had a couple of close encounters with fame. My big band in the 90s *almost* signed with EMI but our stoner guitarist fucked that up. And later I was offered to join a local band that I turned down, aaaaand they then proceeded to have a couple of top ten hits. But I'm still friends with those guys aaand after 2 years of multiple hits, they got dumped by the label and given a $250K bill. It *ruined* them.

[@vaskylark]

If you had the creative outlet that you needed, if you enjoyed yourself, if you made music that you and maybe your following or friends liked too then you totally succeeded.

[@rockfordrocker8971]

​@vaskylark amen. I was lucky enough to say all of those things. I would also say that I made it just far enough in the biz in the early 90s to realize I didn't want to be in the biz. The number of rotten people around me continued to increase as my success increased. Yuck.

[@alisonderrick1067]

@@shayneoneill1506😢 it’s not over. Rock on my friend! “rejection is protection” sometimes, 😅 is it not? Wow thank God! You’re not finished!! Thank God you didn’t get clunked by all that. Keep playing!! Music 🎶 is alive in your heart and will eat you alive ;) if you don’t play. Rock on! 🤘 ❤ don’t let em get you down! Music belongs to you!

[@pedromartinstimoteodacosta1710]

The biggest problem I have with this particular song is the obvious lack of identity

[@eviep2]

It talks about prayer, and yet, it sounds soulless.

[@moi01887]

When music created by AI starts coming out, this is what it'll sound like. Just a mishmash of "stuff" designed to appeal to as many different demographics as possible.

[@basspartout]

Exactly my thoughts!!

[@jeremysmetana8583]

What's ironic is you can tell it's Chris Martin, despite the fact that he's trying hard not to sound like himself. But otherwise, yeah, it's frighteningly generic.

[@thetruthchannel349]

*You don't see the cultural parallel there?*

[@awsomea77]

The one republic singer said in an interview that these days people will get songwriting credit for just being in the room. And knowing how chris is, im sure he's all about giving people a cut even if it's undeserved. Hes the one that made sure each band member gets paid equally.

[@mrbuttons1243]

That's true. If someone suggested chord change or a word for the lyrics and it gets used technically they have a songwriting credit. They probably list everybody like that otherwise they're worried they'll get sued. Still ridiculous though.

[@vaticpillars]

A lot of it is that. A lot of it is what Rick mentioned. Someone will play a synth melody or someone will be brought it to retrack/reprogram drums and they’ll get a credit. A lot of it is also political. The 12th person listed might not have done anything with/on the song or even been at any of the sessions.

[@invzbleman]

literally thats what this is. but people would rather just jump into the hate coldplay train bc they got nothing better to do

[@joshdaboss2365]

@@invzblemanthe music is terrible that’s why they get hate

[@invzbleman]

@@joshdaboss2365 nah yall just have no personalities LOL

[@Appetitefor80srock-g1r]

I completely agree cuz with so many people writing a song they don’t have just one vision or idea and the lyrics start to lack meaning as they are just written to be chart toppers rather than from one person or a band’s experience or thought, it makes the music souless

[@MrDohers]

I think the main reason songs have so many credits now is that people are so litigious these days that it is easier to give credits to anyone who could potentially claim credit straight away and avoid the lawsuit

[@davidcraft7342]

Pretty much this. It is *tons* cheaper to just give out 1% than it is to fight it in court. Plus, it's making sure that everyone who *should* get credit (as per the Beatles reference in the video) *does* get credit.

[@jcooke293]

@@davidcraft7342 I also think it's because artists have to spend so much time on the road to make money because they earn so little from streaming music unlike the days of selling records. So when I'm off the road and in the studio, I have a short amount of time to write and record a song. These pros can tell when something in the song is off so to fix it quickly they bring in another writer. In the old days the artists had the time to work on their songs and craft the finished product.

[@michael-bell]

The easiest solution to concerns over litigation is to simply have the songwriter write the songs

[@kikiphallin]

@@michael-bell That doesn't sound the problem of actually making a "hit" (notice how I said hit and not "a good song")

[@michael-bell]

@@kikiphallin The easiest solution to this is to take funds from corporate acts like corporately-manufactured boy bands and non-songwriting pop stars and put the money towards locating and signing good songwriting talent, both in solo artist form and songwriters in organically-created bands

[@ChrisNeuhahnArt]

Cold Play has turned into Sponge Bob or Star Wars. It has the name but the creators have long since moved on.

[@thebendu33]

I have a similar view about star wars.

[@bethoscope]

If you have any interest at all in Coldplay, you should watch the latest interview with Zane Lowe. Might change your mind!

[@ChrisNeuhahnArt]

@@bethoscope Maybe. But they became very generic pop to my ears. Whatever made them stand out before is gone for me.

[@RCAvhstape]

@@bethoscope I have zero interest in Coldplay, so I'll watch something else 😉

[@johnvcougar]

Hey, hey, hey ... ease up on Star Wars or John Williams will have you. 😅

[@robgriffin4801]

This is a popular complaint in academic research too. The argument is a little different though and is about crediting work for promotion and muddying the simple device of authorship as a signal of merit. As research gets harder, the productivity gains from division of labor are increasingly important. Some fields are so dominated by authorship incentives that they don't work across fields when it would clearly benefit their research. As a grad student, I was a critical part of three research papers that my name isn't on for petty professional gamesmanship reasons. I put essentially anyone that was tangentially involved on my papers as a coauthor.

[@CFox.7]

sad that it has infested the academic field where you'd hope these people would hold a higher level of ethics

[@robjanicke]

This is exactly why people who play music, paint, write, etc. need to do their own thing and ignore the industry standards. Don’t let over a dozen people create for you, it’s absurd. Make your own art so it’s your voice that people will get! Great video, Rick.

[@SaltedBeatz]

This trend is largely driven by changes in how music is consumed and monetized, especially in the streaming era. Streaming has significantly altered the economics of music production. Because revenue per stream is low compared to traditional album sales, artists, producers, musicians aim to secure as many royalties as possible, which often comes from songwriting credits.

[@TheMotiveDJ]

Makes you appreciate someone like Prince. Literally no outside songwriters, no producer, no nothing. Did everything himself from the beginning of his career right until the end.

[@SrPepe1977]

Yes, that's exactly how he went about it. He was pretty remarkable.

[@epicgnar]

Prince always needed his muses though 😊

[@anniepsh9363]

Wow, I didn’t realize that.

[@starshine3588]

There’s a difference….because Coldplay allows the artists (or their teams) to write their own parts when he collaborates with other artists…he allows them to contribute what they want to the song and they work on it together. This song has several different artists singing and rapping…and they all got to contribute to the song. So it’s completely different than just singing and writing a song for yourself to perform…..this song is a group effort because of the different artists performing on it. Coldplay is being generous in allowing this…because many artists would never allow other singers to contribute anything….they would have to sing what was written by the main writer. And Prince wasn’t the only writer of everything he did…Wendy and Lisa contributed and Dr. Fink did too. You need to look at the writing credits before claiming something false.

[@starshine3588]

@@SrPepe1977. Don’t listen to people who don’t know. There are writing credits on Prince songs for Wendy and Lisa and Dr. Fink and others. Prince didn’t always write everything only by himself.

[@dooleyfan]

I had a VERY minor role in an album released in the early 2010’s (recording the demo and remixing some stems for the final release). It was a favour for a friend and I expected nothing from it. I was given a half credit on one of the filler tracks just to throw me a bone and I was grateful for it. Perhaps some of these credits on the Coldplay album are to “share the wealth” and give extra exposure to new writers, session musicians, etc. Just a theory.

[@aieahi1]

Think Queen got to the point that they started giving all of the band members writing credit so they would all profit.

[@MobiusBandwidth]

yeah but 15 people on every song? and it sounds like nothing.

[@brianshaffneraclc]

You've got a legitimately good song, and you throw a bone to one or two people for the reason above, that's dope. But having a long list, tacked onto a forgettable, blah tune? That isn't positive exposure.

[@portsmouthonscreen]

No, all these names are well established professionals in the industry - Davide Rossi is a string composer/arranger (and also in the band Goldfrapp) so probably scored and arranged the string arpeggios at the start. Andres Torres and Mauricio Rengifo are Latin American composers and producers, and were behind "Despacito" so I imagine collaborated with Argentine star Martina Stoessel/Tini on her contribution for the versions released in South America. Same with producer/songwriter Ilya Salmanzadeh and singer Elian "Elyanna" Marjieh who share some Middle Eastern heritage; Elyanna sings on a Middle East released version of the song I think. The only credit in there that's a mystery is Shawn Carter (Jay Z) but that might be for a sample, or just legal ass covering for a vaguely similar melody.

[@truelovewontwait]

​@@portsmouthonscreen yup. This is exactly why

[@ChicagoAllen]

Sampling can make this happen, but listening to you helped me understand it can go way beyond that.

[@rafetizer]

This is Coldplay leasing out their name, sitting at home sipping lemonade and counting royalties from other people doing the work.

[@parajerry]

Exactly! Maybe even a term of their contract with the label.

[@TheHass84]

No it’s not, Coldplay are, and always have been, awful. Beige music for people that don’t really like music.

[@monrominee]

@@TheHass84 they wrote the soundtrack for the movie "beige"...... Coldplay is music for people that think Imagine Dragons is "edgy".

[@benjamindavis4974]

​@@TheHass84 Thankyou. Even though they are the reason I make music

[@rafetizer]

@@TheHass84 I never said they were good, just that they weren't actually involved in making this track. You know damn well Coldplay is a recognizable name.

[@Luke4145]

It's hard to add anything different here, modern popular music for want of a better term is just a business, the art has long left the building.

[@mojodojo5533]

Pretty much sums it up perfect. Thx

[@christopherzehnder]

The art is still out there, you just can’t make a career off of it because nobody has the patience or the cash to allow new artists time to develop. Now it’s: Wham! Bam! Stream it, Man!

[@jonathanmarkham1998]

@@Luke4145 Maybe their tastes are just different. You modern popular music is just a business, I assume by modern you will also include all of the last 60+ years as well, because it’s always been about making money at its core. Without that, the industry doesn’t continue.

[@ba3audiovisualartist66]

I have found plenty of recent music that I consider Art (a proper noun capitalized because of its potential to be a sacred thing on occasion) far and away from TikTok and the usual channels on Bandcamp: Bab L'Bluz from Morocco 🇲🇦 Hania Rani from Poland 🇵🇱 Alice Thompson from the U.K. 🇬🇧 MONO from Japan 🇯🇵 D.C. Cross from Australia 🇦🇺 And the MINING recording Chimet... "Chimet is a meteorological and sea state algorithmic sonification project. "Chichester West Pole Beacon, also known as Chimet, is a comprehensive weather information system recording conditions in Hayling Bay, West Sussex, both in real-time and historically. Located at 50° 45'.45 N, 00° 56'.59 W, approximately one mile from the entrance to Chichester Harbour, the instrumentation on Chimet records data including air and water temperature; barometric pressure; wind speed and direction; water depth; wave height, period and frequency; and time of day. "Over a period of seven days in October 2017, the devastating Atlantic Hurricane Ophelia fed straight into another weather event, known as Storm Brian in the UK. MINING mapped the data from this storm onto various musical values and parameters, including harmonic range, pitch, density and volume - resulting in a continuous piece of electronic sound design that directly traces the contours of the two storm systems. "After several iterations, improvised instrumental performances were added on piano, cello and synthesiser." In a word, "Art". Seek and ye shall find!

[@TheDavidMindMovement]

You said it Rick. It’s making the music of today “Incredibly Boring”.

[@thesneakysloth8481]

Remember correlation does not prove causation, there where 15 songwrighters who worked on clasic mowton records in some way shape of form. its not the amount of people it's the creative intention of the song and who it's made for.

[@christopherzehnder]

Digital tracking has removed so many production constraints that made classic albums interesting.

[@Steve-xl1en]

@@thesneakysloth8481 to be honest if those Motown songs were written now, they probably would have had at least 5-6, maybe 10 writers.

[@johnalmberg7512]

Nothing new here, music has been boring since disco took off 😂

[@ReubenThomasLaneWutipongDasom]

So educational. Thank you!

[@philipduttonlescorlett]

I have written 60 tracks in the last 18 months with my lifetime song writing partner Les. Still for the love of music. Love you show Rick.

[@syrahlover0513]

Rick, you're spot on. A couple of years ago I was looking at the Grammy nominations like best album and best song etc. And on the Grammys site, it lists all of the songwriters, producers, engineers and so-on, and I could not believe some albums had dozens of writers and "producers". Single tracks had over a dozen songwriters like your example here, and a number of producers as well. That's another term that gets thrown around a lot. Everyone is a producer these days.

[@JamesDavis-sh9gh]

I just noticed this recent Grammy nominations for best song has a majority of six songwriters which is an improvement but still one too many. At least Coldplay is not in that category.

[@Troeus]

In Kenny Rogers book he told a story of hitchhiking and after writing a song in the cab of a six-teen wheeler, he felt so good he gave the truck driver credit and later it dawned on him the truck driver contributed nothing but good conversation. Thank you very much Kenny. I think it was a book on songwriting. Many moons ago.

[@DeanCameron]

“You picked a fine time to leave me, loose wheel?”

[@mikejones-go8vz]

@@DeanCameron😂 hilarious, so he did contribute 🤔 the truck should get some credit

[@TacoJack]

...and that truck driver's name was Large Marge

[@shockmarkets7384]

​@@DeanCameroncracked me up.

[@johnterpack3940]

I'm trying to figure out how the truck only had sixteen wheels.

[@pugilemoltobene3708]

Did y’all just catch that fall through the stage? I did that on that back right corner at the ‘Whiskey about 15yrs ago - that corner is INFAMOUS

[@enzolumare5680]

15 people and the song sucks

[@dannyspitzer1267]

🎯

[@mimikolomamu]

Rick said it was ok...is he being polite?

[@thesecorridorsoftime]

​@@mimikolomamuYes.

[@mafcarvalho]

The whole album sucks!

[@thesecorridorsoftime]

@@enzolumare5680 It's so sad..i loved Coldplay so much back in the days.. but this is just "U2 Worldmusic" Garbage. Absolute Bummer.

[@1madcracker]

When the entire music industry finally implodes, don’t think the independent musician is going to cry one tear…

[@rbcgouveia79]

Hey Rick, first of all, love your work. I happened to see Chris Martin talking about this specific song when he was interviewed by Jimmy Fallon. He explained that they wanted to capture the essence of prayer from different places and religions, so they invited people from various countries to join them in the creation process, singing in their own languages if I’m not mistaken. That’s why so many people appear in the credits. I’m not judging them; I think they own the music, so they can do whatever they want. Anyway, just wanted to share this bit of information. Peace!✌️

[@rbcgouveia79]

☝️ this the video I mentioned

[@rbcgouveia79]

Btw, it is not my type of music, but given what we have around us these days it is definitely not a total disaster.

[@samuelmath1723]

I've just read the song's lyrics. "We pray" is good production I guess. Good beat to make people dance and move in clubs. The lyrics, well, it's all about pray, pray, pray... and pray. Or do they?

[@alexandrumircea]

The info changes the video entirely lol

[@miguelwc]

If that's true,... Chris Martin totally FAILED in this lame attempt.

[@halstephens1201]

Rick, I agree with everything you say, pretty much always. Really look forward to your videos. One thing that bothers me with today's songs is something you've mentioned. The chords in the chorus are the same as the verse.

[@The_Gary_Douglas]

You are 100% correct Rick. Today’s music compared with music from way back is very boring. It all feels like “copy paste” material.

[@blackhorsecavalry]

+C +V. And they wonder why people say it all sounds the same.

[@gabrielperrymusic]

It's all crap now. Boring, computer generated, lacks soul, lacks depth, and so on.

[@Lorenzommusic]

Stop comparing

[@Lorenzommusic]

​that'san over exaggeration

[@lindam4133]

Cause it is..

[@orborb01]

How many session musicians worked on a smash hit song in the eighties and didn't get any credits?

[@bigboxerable]

Yep, absolutely this. Coldplay deserve credit here.

[@dmitripogosian5084]

Why should they get writing credits ?

[@orborb01]

@@dmitripogosian5084 Because they have been co-composers.

[@JPBrooksLive]

​@orborb01 and if you've ever been the session guitarist who improvises a line that makes the producer go "oooooooh!" and makes the whole song catchy, you know how that feels lol.

[@jeremy20100712]

If I just heard this blindfolded without the preamble, I would never have guesses this is Coldplay!

[@sharpvidtube]

I heard it on the car radio and thought it was bad enough to be a new Coldplay single, wasn't surprised that I was right😂 I don't mind a few of their songs, but they aren't one of my favourites.

[@MentalityGiant]

Surely you must recognise the trademark Coldplay guitar sound? It's the same non-existent sound it's always been.

[@Uppernorwood976]

That’s because it’s not really

[@Mehecskekutato]

@@MentalityGiant BS. Their trademark guitar sound is iconinc(In My Place,The Scientist,Yellow...) is immediately recognizable

[@valeriekoss6218]

I agree 💯% with you Rick Baeto about the ‘committee of song writers’. On a separate note, I didn’t care for the band The Cars, until I watched ur video on “Just What I Needed”. I listened to their 1978 live at the Agora in Cleveland Album. Studio albums are my jam. This album rocks. Read the think pieces about the lyrics of Just What I Needed. Ric Ocasek, took full credit for the song. One guy wrote the song even though the band had so many amazing musicians in the band.

[@petterw5318]

I don't remember who said recently (Rosalía? Taylor Swift?) that she gave credit to a fellow artist as a songwriter because he heard the song and changed ONE beat. And the reason was to avoid lawsuits.

[@eduardoalmeida61]

Mybe this ONE beat make the WHOLE difference

[@glfriendliness9793]

Add a quarter note, get a quarter.

[@marsgal42]

Break My Heart by Dua Lipa has a riff that (coincidentally) sounds a lot like Need You Tonight by Inxs, so they added Andrew Farriss and Michael Hutchence as songwriters to keep everything above board.

[@rebllion9866]

Agree. Think this also is a big contributing factor.

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

What kind of a jury would side with a plaintiff who demanded a share of the songwriting royalties for changing one beat?

[@alexisazuara9649]

Music is dull yes, but this is the time to listen to small bands and upcoming artists

[@BreneWilson]

Years ago when YT wasn't owned by greedy Google it was so easy to find them on here but now it's almost impossible since they only cater to mainstream channels and artists.

[@suites.74]

@@BreneWilson I still get good recs on YT but I think its years and years of training my algorithm to find very small artists. I get recs for people with 1-2k views.

[@Pharphette]

haha ya in a way Coldplay et al. is laying the red carpet out for indie artists with this flop

[@FromTheRightAngle]

Dawes. Look them up.

[@laurat1129]

Live and Local bands and musicians are still out there!

[@rogerramjet8395]

The look on your face in the last frame of the video sums up your feeling about this wonderfully! Fabulous editing! Well done!

[@johngal56]

Totally agree with everything you've said here. What did each one contribute to this? I know that in later years Queen stopped attributing songs to individual members and insisted that songs were written by the collective efforts of the band. During the late 1970s I played in a band whose bass player had some interesting ideas for songs and so I would personally give him the overall writing credit. However, the other four musicians in the band have always insisted that each of us (even yours truly) made our own contributions to our own work, so we had a main writer and four contributors. Does that make sense?

[@BP-or2iu]

I can’t believe what happened to Coldplay. Those first two albums were really something terrific.

[@Zarphag]

I would never ever have guessed

[@Leonid_Pavlovskyi]

I’d even say first 3

[@benj2764]

Yes they really disappeared into a sea of beige after such a promising start

[@michalkopec-browarnicy]

@@Leonid_Pavlovskyi I say first 4 or even 5 beacuse Ghost Stories is also good.

[@Txell-Mia37]

Money 🤑💰

[@xpatsteve]

@5:24 "Sounds amazing". Really? Sounds like any one of a number of uninspired synth tracks written to please whatever algorithm was driving music sales that day. No disrespect, no shade. Just what I think.

[@David-ud9hl]

I think he just means on a sonic (like production/mixing) level

[@Atlas65]

@@David-ud9hl Yeah I caught up on that too. And I agree with that part

[@fergorro]

​@@David-ud9hl yess he meant the sound and mix. Not composition.

[@kindofanmol]

He's talking about the production quality and mixing.

[@MrMelodynelson]

Apparently even elevator music can be interesting to some people

[@johnnyBTF]

Do you know how two apples of the same variety, but from different trees, can have distinctly different flavours? Yet, when you make apple juice with apples from all the trees in the orchard, time after time, it always tastes the same?

[@CamiloASecas]

Coldplay compuso esto por su cuenta. Luego hizo una versión por cada uno de los intérpretes de la canción (una versión de Tini, otra de Elyanna, etc.). Y por contrato probablemente agregaron a los productores como co-escritores. En vez de poner a cada compositor real por versión, simplemente pusieron la misma cantidad de compositores por versión (15). Hay que sumarle el hecho de que Chris Martín es generoso y seguramente agregó a todos los intérpretes como compositores para que recibieran regalías. Nota al margen, “We Pray” no es precisamente la mejor canción de “Moon Music”

[@richardjoseph8532]

@rickbeato - I have no doubt that your countrymen think of you as "a national treasure", but I put it to you that you're an INTERnational treasure! You're the best thing to happen to music since the Beatles broke up... THANK YOU!!🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@strathman7501]

Souns like you're saying the break-up of the Beatles was the second-best thing, but i expect you didn't mean that 😉

[@richardjoseph8532]

@@strathman7501 definitely not what I meant... I guess that didn't come out right! 🤔😆😆😆😆

[@warning_danger]

@richardjoseph8532 How many songs has the national treasure, bigger the Beatles, has he written that YOU love?

[@richardjoseph8532]

@@warning_danger absolutely none. But that's not the point I was trying to make... I guess I didn't articulate my thought well - I meant to say that Rick's channells and videos currently bear significant importance or relevance within the music industry, despite the fact that one wouldn't have thought somebody who analyses music and all its facets, would ever be this relevant. Does that make sense?

[@yingle6027]

I'm sick of electro beats and instrumentals. Coldplay used to have an amazing natural sound, now it's just plastic crap.

[@bapples]

5:06 im a survivor I’m not gonna give up

[@TIS181]

It is a good song, you get hooked almost intantly, but if the song its finished, there is no urge to hear it again. Perfect radio song XD

[@felipefierro5473]

I'm falling more and more in love with real music recorded in the 70's, 80's,90's. I only liked the first 2 coldplay albums. When you look the level of complexity and creativity that was required to record Dark side of the moon......

[@clicheguevara5282]

The concept of “real music” basically dying in 1989 is so hilarious to me. The only thing that changed was the music _business_ and what is popular in the mainstream. …but music itself is doing just fine and always will be. Human beings are extremely talented. That’s not going to change any time soon.

[@vrinda5303]

Have you tried music from the '50s and '60s? A lot of great stuff there, too.

[@dcarbs2979]

I started to go off new music at the end of the CD era. Apart from Lady Gaga, no new artist since 2000 has made me think 'wow, that's a great record and a great artist', including Coldplay. The moany, whiney voice apart from anything else. There are production teams, but they don't produce many artists with a lot of albums.

[@shambhav9534]

And yet it is only in the 00's that Clare Torry finally received songwriting credits for The Great Gig in the Sky.

[@billycarr2307]

It’s not the first time I’ve heard about this process for writing a song. Breathe by Jax Jones is another example of this where the artist starts the idea and shares the file with other DJ’s, producers, songwriters, musicians and they add, subtract and mix in their contributions and send it back to the artist. If they like your track you get writing credit. 8:16

[@danneedham166]

Totally agree. The song becomes a culmination of the elements that everyone agrees on. It generally strips away anything remotely edgy or interesting. I've been on those writing sessions. Great job again, Rick.

[@Anne_Ty]

Sounds like a song for the Eurovision song contest.

[@artemlyubchenko3022]

I watch Eurovision regularly, a lot of songs there are actually really good, honestly I don’t think this would even get through a national final.

[@Guitarplayer724]

Rick Beato's new KZbin series.."What makes this song require this many songwriters"

[@gjcoop5625]

Maybe because it is a purposeful collaboration with other artists from other countries.

[@Guitarplayer724]

@@gjcoop5625 maybe so..

[@denizdagci1023]

I was listening to Parachutes the other day. It's such a pleasant record. So sad they ended up like this.

[@rosalee1624]

Old Coldplay was the best.

[@gqwarren]

Music across the board during that period was so much better, so much more meaningful.

[@cecilcharlesofficial]

@@rosalee1624 Oldplay :)

[@coolchannel-iv5jw]

I understand the hate with "you pray", but I actually liked some songs on this album. It's definitely not old coldplay good but it's decent compared to his other newer stuff.

[@woodbassguitars]

The only thing I can think of is that the band might want to give these other contributers a hand out by including them . ?

[@OfficialPikachuLover]

Agreed, Rick is putting things out of context (at least on this particular song)

[@WHISTLELP15]

that's exactly what it is. Coldplay have talked about everyone in the band always receiving writing credits so they wouldn't fight over who's song get's released. Little Simz, Burna Boy, Elyanna and Tini are all featured artists with backing vocals and their own verses (some on other versions of the song). Davide Rossi has been doing the strings for them since viva. Max Martin and Ilya are 2 of the producers of this song (and the album). I'm guessing they asked Jay Z for input and he changed stuff. Andres Torres and Mauricio Rengifo are producers who worked with Tini in the past, so I'm guessing they helped on her verse (once again in a different version of the song).

[@OfficialPikachuLover]

@WHISTLELP15 Rick is just lazy to make his goddamn research, once again... And yeah, I know, deep down, he misses the great era of their 00s, but they're evolving, can't stop that...

[@Pharphette]

I guess but it’s not impressive to say you helped 14 other people write an uninspiring song.

[@halfbrokerising]

@@WHISTLELP15 I've heard and understand everything you just said, and I think you missed the point of Rick's video. It wasn't that he didn't do his research on the why or how, it's 15 people get writing credit on a song that is 85% digital based sounds without real instruments and it's not interesting or good. A song from The Rolling Stones takes 2 people to write and sounds amazing, just as an example. It's just crazy where music is now. Even Coldplay's best stuff was when it was just the band writing the music, not this Avenger's style of writing.

[@bomdiahhhhhhh]

I Was waiting for that BORING at the end of the video. Thank You Rick

[@marsgal42]

Back in the day Believe by Cher was the canonical example of a song with a zillion writers for no apparent reason. This is on a diffferent level.

[@noneofyourbeeswax01]

Cher's "Believe" was also the first hit record that employed autotune as a deliberate effect. The Coldplay track that Rick plays in this video also clearly utilises autotune, though not as an effect, but for it's original use. But they use it _hard_ - so hard that the vocals sound unnatural, as very few singers can hit each note of a song this accurately and keep on the note perfectly for as long as it lasts. This kills all the feeling, in much the same way as hard quantising of drums, bassline etc do with music.

[@marsgal42]

@@noneofyourbeeswax01 Like all tools autotune can be used, or misused. You can lightly touch up an otherwise-decent performance. You can quantize the vocals and remove the humanity. You can go crazy for artistic effect. At the time a lot of people (including me) thought Believe was done with vocoders.

[@cooldebt]

I never liked that song

[@dcarbs2979]

Only 6. Most of those were members of collectives (e.g. Xenomania), so it may have taken just one writer from a collective and the others were tacked on by contractual obligation.

[@stevenponte6655]

Actually that was an interesting story. 2 writers wrote the original demo but the chorus wasn’t great. 2 more writers wrote the chorus and bridge I think. But the label didn’t like the production . They brought a production team in (probably the auto tune guys) then Cher didn’t like the worlds to the 2nd verse so changed it, viola 7 writers

[@icegiant1000]

I recently was playing the video game Diablo 4. Finished the game, and they start scrolling the credits like a movie at the end. I'm a developer, so I thought I would show a little respect, and decided to watch all of them... 45 minutes later, I was still watching the names go by. Apparently 9,000 people worked on this game. What!?! 2464 people for the games sound design, and 902 people for the art. Now when i dug into this, people were explaining that if you worked at that company, in nearly any capacity, your name got put into the credits. If you were some contractor that did taxes for the company, your name was on it. But the people that ACTUALLY did the bulk of the work, are not 9000 people. Coldplay having 15 writers reminded me of that.

[@Sukenus]

If you're a janitor at the game's studio, your name is on it 🤣

[@sandymcgrew6420]

@@Sukenus 🤣🤣🤣

[@57precision]

Crazy to compare with Quake 1, one of the best video games ever made, only took 10 people.

[@unacuentadeyoutube13]

​@@57precisionundertale was made by only one guy who wrote all the music, all the dialogues and basically did almost all the work, and some help from his friend

[@plslakewood]

I played Diablo 4 also. Excellent game but that many people!?! My God. With that many people the game play should take years to complete.

[@arkateqq]

Hey Rick love the channel, I'm surprised to see little to no mention here of Rob Thomas - Lonely No More (2005) This sounds like a slowed instrumental version and Rob hits those first two lines in the hook almost identical. In addition, a similar melody/progression was re-used for Rihanna - Unfaithful (2006) and UK group Rixton (2014). All within the same time period of many of these writers being active. Everything has kind of blurred together now, and musicians are surviving by making the most of these tried-and-true earworms TLDR: There should actually be MORE writers on this song :)

[@timfitzsimmons8663]

Thank you! The chorus sounded so familiar, but I couldn't remember which song it was. I was scrolling through the comments hoping to find this. On the issue of more songwriters, on Wikipedia it includes Shawn Carter aka Jay-Z (although he doesn't appear to be a songwriter for Unfaithful)

[@georom]

It’s like someone owed someone else a favor. Wretched. These guys are too talented to allow this.

[@AG-mz7vm]

I pray..that I never have to hear that song again..Coldplay used to be a great band. "Parachutes" and "A Rush of Blood to the Head" where amazing albums.

[@rumi7549]

That is your opinion, the whole point of this channel is to evolve and not just be stuck in one era. To our parents Rock sucked only Frank Sinatra was great, to ignore all the songs or albums since Parachutes is ignorant my friend.

[@shay5025]

Coldplay was great for their first three albums, then.... Same issue as this song. Ugh

[@eily_b]

@@rumi7549 We were asked to put our opinions into the comment section, so what is your point?

[@benjamindavis4974]

​@@shay5025 Viva is their best album

[@AG-mz7vm]

​@@rumi7549Thanks for your elaborate reply! Of course it's my opinion.

[@grantthepilgrim]

Will come out in 6 months that it’s an AI track, all done while Coldplay were sitting on a beach somewhere. The co-writers were people that made them cocktails or cooked their meals or drove them around the island in a tuk tuk.

[@adotbeck]

Time to tear it all down and start over. Chords, lyrics, and melody are songwriting. Everything else you mentioned is production or arrangement. I will die on this hill.

[@drkstnly6040]

I guess it depends on a song. If it's a 3 minute radio friendly pop tune than yes. If it's something more complex like Pink Floyd tracks, than you could argue that even if Waters came up with a basic chord structure however Gilmour's solo or guitar work is also incredibly important part of the track. But even in their case back then it would be still only credited to Waters.

[@mbcarlson]

I miss old Coldplay when every song was just raw sincerity. Just listened to their album A Rush of Blood to The Head, and it was so refreshing to hear again.

[@Stevefrench501]

It’s shows the difference between a song being a piece of art and a song being a product.

[@jimmcfarland9318]

I'd amend that... "piece of art" and piece of $#$$

[@mtwain1674]

Spot on!

[@jonathanmarkham1998]

@@Stevefrench501 You’ve just bought into a myth if you believe you can seperate the two. All of those old bands were still selling a product. Same with ‘good’ music.

[@Badministrator]

This song sounded insanely familiar to me and I finally figured it out. The chorus is a pretty straight forward ripoff of Boombox by Lonely Island and Julian Casablancas. Just realized it also sounds like the hook from Me and My Broken Heart.

[@GabeOwzer]

Same chord progression as Viva la Vida, too (another Coldplay song)

[@GabeOwzer]

I saw a Spanish guy doin the Bartman

[@JohnnSuede]

@@GabeOwzereveryone was wearing fingerless gloves

[@hernanayan3832]

So on point! Just heard Boombox and this is just a watered down version. It's bananas that it took 15 people to accomplish such a mediocre song

[@ruipacheco8983]

@@GabeOwzer They stole it from joe satriani

[@MusicalBox]

Individuality... that's one big thing missing in most of today's music. 30, 40 years ago when you heard a new song for the first time on the radio, chances are you'd guess the artist right away. Today? Not so much.

[@m310grass]

From the wikipedia article on the Brill Building "By 1962, the Brill Building contained 165 music businesses.[4] In the mid-1960s a musician could cut a demo, find a publisher and printer, promote the record and cut a deal with radio promoters without leaving the building. The creative culture of the independent music companies in the Brill Building and the nearby 1650 Broadway came to define the influential "Brill Building Sound" and the style of popular songwriting and recording created by its writers and producers.[5] Carole King described the atmosphere at the "Brill Building" publishing houses of the period: Every day we squeezed into our respective cubby holes with just enough room for a piano, a bench, and maybe a chair for the lyricist if you were lucky. You'd sit there and write and you could hear someone in the next cubby hole composing a song exactly like yours. The pressure in the Brill Building was really terrific-because Donny (Kirshner) would play one songwriter against another. He'd say: "We need a new smash hit"-and we'd all go back and write a song and the next day we'd each audition for Bobby Vee's producer. - Quoted in The Sociology of Rock by Simon Frith[6] The Brill Building approach-which can be extended to other publishers not based in the Brill Building-was one way that professionals in the music business took control of things in the time after rock and roll's first wave. In the Brill Building practice, there were no more unpredictable or rebellious singers; in fact, a specific singer in most cases could be easily replaced with another. These songs were written to order by pros who could custom fit the music and lyrics to the targeted teen audience. In a number of important ways, the Brill Building approach was a return to the way business had been done in the years before rock and roll, since it returned power to the publishers and record labels and made the performing artists themselves much less central to the music's production."

[@LcdDrmr]

@@m310grass Yeah, but talented artists were still breaking through all that and got heard by everyone alongside the packaged stars. There are still plenty of talented artists now, but the difference is they don't get heard as the music corporations control everything. Back then the corporate songwriters had to compete with the random talent out there, but now the corporations own all the broad access points to the public, and popular music is about nothing at all but money. This is what sucks even more than the music they produce.

[@christopherzehnder]

Yup. Far better for listeners to have a strong reaction…. ANY reaction to your album than the inference most modern music inspires.

[@asosyalpicimamk]

That's what I have been ostracized for saying. Corporations control everything including the access to talent. ​@@LcdDrmr

[@torerikr.johnsen9242]

I look forward to them going full loop and going back to their roots.

[@jasonbaer6341]

I bet that a lot of people wish you would quit asking these hard questions! I love it! Keep asking those questions, some folks need somebody to make them think!❤

[@Mariposa_46]

Yes - in a nutshell!

[@deldia]

I assumed they also do it to avoid legal action in some circumstances because once it was recorded someone realised some part of it sounded like another song or it was just lifted.

[@grizzla71]

Coldplay were sued by Joe Satriani back in 2009 for that reason

[@christopherzehnder]

It sounds like EVERY song on the pop charts today so I guess they need to pay everyone off to avoid litigation, lol

[@Aber-ju4hn]

Being a songwriter my self for the last 20 years I know that this is a phenomenon happening when songs wander around differnt studios and maybe through other artists adding their part/production to the track. It’s not about the song beeing super complex or that it needed so many hands/ears to be completed. It’s just how many people has been involved since the start. And on that note I believe that is a great thing that people get credited. Cred to the creators! 👍

[@kojoefante]

Naa we want real creatives

[@katlamb4606]

The point is that these many people didn’t have to collab to create such mediocre song.

[@EnricoMeloni]

@Rick Beato I appreciate your direct approach to this question, thank you! Cheers