It was not an Ace at being Felicitous

[@themaskedmysadaean8885]

So; as a result of so many Volkswagen Cars burning, we now have Torchtwagens, Scorsches, Burntleys, and the Aushies

[@jimmysticks6133]

Dont forget about fords and chevys they are always in flames somewhere

[@tinfoilhat3268]

Puns are punishable by orbital kinetic bombardment

[@themaskedmysadaean8885]

@@tinfoilhat3268 Well; you'd best get to headbashing that button then, before I burn through more puns! ^^

[@noahdoyle6780]

Also, Flamborghinis and Firearris.

[@Ichijoe2112]

@@tinfoilhat3268 Go take your NO FUN sign somewhere else.

[@brokenursa9986]

Felicity Ace sounds like the name of a Jaeger from Pacific Rim. It's just silly enough to stand alongside things like Striker Eureka and Gipsy Danger.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Well, you're not wrong.

[@CaseyOntiveros]

Also sounds like a CW show about a 20 year old woman coming to the city to make her mark.

[@LostSnipeHunter]

But looks nowhere near as cool. . . more practical (even as a torched wreck) but not as cool

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

usually, it is basically two code-words, one stands for the route or role that ship fills, the other for the firm or bank that owns it... same goes for oil rigs too.... my guess is, Felicity is the financing bank, whilst all car ferries are named after cards: you probably also have a Felicity King, Felicity Dame, Felicity Jack, & Felicity Joker in that fleet... (I am sure I saw Felicity King & Felicity Jack in Kawasaki, so....)

[@philvanderlaan5942]

Ok I now have to actually watch that , I didn’t have the motivation to before

[@enoughothis]

Forcibly de-crewing a ship to claim it as salvage is technically referred to as 'piracy' which is frowned upon in all civilized ports.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

They're more guidelines, after all.

[@Ulvetann]

Astute observation.

[@Tomyironmane]

@@SacredCowShipyards That depends entirely on who you're working for, how many divisions (of lawyers) they have, and what port you drag it to. At least Pirates HAVE a code. Lawyers and Governments do not.

[@ela7682]

Lord Miles is assembling a crew

[@xzardas541]

It may be called military action of fighting suspect terrorists if it is goverment doing that, then the ship is escorted to coast guard storage paperwork lost to beurocracy and after few years sold at an auction to some high ranked official family for fraction of a price.

[@blackc1479]

I still want a "legitimate salvage" bumper sticker for my car lol

[@dankuser8303]

I want to drive around and see if anyone gets the reference

[@blackc1479]

@@dankuser8303 few would, but the ones who do are automatically friend material 🤘

[@thomasjenkins5727]

I really want this situation to be resolved in a manner that would fit the term "bounty hunting tug."

[@SacredCowShipyards]

"Oh, don't mind me..."

[@akizeta]

Most ghost ships get found and boarded within a few weeks, depending on circumstances of their abandonment. The _Mary Celeste_ was found about a week after her last log entry, for example. There was a Japanese fishing boat that was swept away by the Tohoku tsunami, as I recall, that turned up a while later off the Canadian coast and had to be sunk by the coastguard. And there was a freighter that got stuck in the ice off Alaska and abandoned in the Thirties; it kept turning up for decades afterwards and occasionally boarded, though never by anybody with the equipment to salvage her.

[@fredwupkensoppel8949]

That last one is so interesting. It didn't go down for DECADES. Crazy.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

It really depends. I should probably figure out how to slot the story I know into another episode.

[@jaywerner8415]

I think i know that Freighter, the name escapes me at the moment. The scenario rights a bell at least.

[@deusexaethera]

@@fredwupkensoppel8949 : Well yeah. Ships are built to float and to be usable for decades, so that's what they do.

[@fredwupkensoppel8949]

@@deusexaethera They usually have to be maintained, though.

[@The_Viscount]

*A suspiciously well armed salvage scow docks at the yard. The captain goes to the Dockmaster's office/main-terminal* "Oh, dockmaster, it's a shame really, this perfectly intact hulk full of premium, LVidia quantum processors was just floating abandoned in the void infested with deadly space vermin! We couldn't let it float the 12.5 light seconds off your docks as a navigational hazard, so we hacked the controls and vented the atmosphere to get rid of the pests for the safety of all! Anyway, we thought we'd do you a favor by towing her into your yard and out of your approach lanes. Incidentally, it looks like the engines and com antenna failed from kinetic damage (probably just a bolt or screw hurtling at railgun velocity). You know how those cargo companies love to skimp on things like shields and armor and redundant systems to save costs! The oxygen recyclers failed before we arrived and that's why the crew died of asphyxiation. We found the corpses like that, honest! ...Now, about the salvage rights..."

[@oliver-matthiasheinrichmei4148]

Really? You want money for this thing? Oh come on this is a piece of scrap, no Funktion of life support! Na only metal prices. Get it or leave it.

[@The_Viscount]

@@oliver-matthiasheinrichmei4148 Scow Captain puffs out his chest and scoffs* "Wait, you're not the dockmaster! Let me speak to the dockmaster! If you won't give me a fair price, I'll just sell the ship and cargo myself!"

[@oliver-matthiasheinrichmei4148]

Okay, okay, go to the dockmaster, Ah you know.... He talks in this moment with some people of the system guard about some "lost" cargo ship who suspect some people to pirate things? Do really want to get him in this way?

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Oh no. My docking clamps seem to be... doing things. So, about that ship.

[@derekburge5294]

ROROC: roll on, roll off, combust.

[@DerekLee688]

The cruise ship "Carnival Conquest" is my favorite wtf name for a civilian ship.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

I mean, clowns.

[@lsswappedcessna]

RCGS Resolute, the ice breaker cruise ship that sank a Venezuelan patrol ship by basically just sitting there and letting the dumb ass Venezuelan captain repeatedly ram his ship into the Resolute's heavily reinforced bow, has a strangely sci-fi combat ship sounding name.

[@johncunningham4820]

I loved the Call-Out to the Tachi/Rocinante . That WAS a Legitimate Salvage , under the Terms of what that means . All that's left of the Donnager .

[@MrGrenadeMcBoom]

The Ace family of ships just can't catch a break. Cougar Ace had that whole stability problem off the west coast back in the early aughts.

[@LostSnipeHunter]

and the Sincerity Ace burned a couple years back too IIRC

[@SacredCowShipyards]

"Once is an accident..."

[@Tomyironmane]

I'm kinda surprised and confused here by the idea of a fire escaping the suppression areas... I spent a little time on a Maritime Prepositioning Ship (basically a regimental RO RO with ammo and fuel bunkers), and they warned us "You can go on the vehicle decks, but if there's a fire on one of those, we're sealing the hatch and flooding the entire compartment with CO2, and we don't give a shit whether you're in it or not. We can't afford to."

[@hokutoulrik7345]

Yeah, but the compliment aboard the ship you were on was probably larger and there would probably be someone around to seal the hatches and raise the alarm. This crew was probably all on the upper decks and had no real idea of what was going on below decks.

[@Reddotzebra]

@@hokutoulrik7345 Not to mention that they could flood the entire area with CO2 to push oxygen aside and flash freeze anything close to the outlets. I'm pretty sure that's a better fire suppression system than "This coolant is pretty good at stopping fires and it expands, so let's use it for all of our expensive cargo since it's cheaper than maintaining CO2 and we don't carry explosives!"

[@LostSnipeHunter]

Also it was quite likely a lithium fire. Lithium battery fires can produce their own oxygen so such systems don't work all that well in such a case.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

There's... a lot of factors at play. If the fire-control teams hadn't been training all that much, what guarantee is there that they'd been maintaining the fire-suppression system that well? Or what if the system just broke? Or what if someone left a hatch/door open? Or what if it was a lithium fire, and the fire suppression system had been dialed down far enough it wasn't enough to put it out? Or what if multiple fires broke out? Or that lithium fire was enough to burn through the deck into other places that didn't have suppression hardware?

[@Tomyironmane]

@@SacredCowShipyards Well, if any of those, then we probably end up with a flaming MV off the Azores. It's just alarming and disconcerting, the fact engineering and operations have been pushed so hard in the chase for the Almighty Dollar (or Euro, or Yen, or Galactic Credit), that these are no longer aberrations in the operations of a ship at sea, but are practically de rigueur, and now we have multiple ways for this fire to have easily, conceivably, and concurrently gone out of control.

[@ailius1520]

It sounds to me maybe they were skimping on crew compliment. I mean, take the job of security guard. A security guard produces nothing. If all goes well, the security guard is a waste of money. But in real life things go wrong, and often you can prevent a big loss just by having *somebody* there with eyes, ears, brain, and a radio, who can identify an abnormal situation and fix it. My guess is the only reason they could run a big complicated ship like that with so few people in the first place was automation. If so, this might be a future case study in the limitations of automation.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

As terrifying as the notion is, that number's about normal for almost all intercontinental freighters. They bring on a pilot and his employees when they're entering and leaving ports to help with that process, but once they're in open waters they turn on their autonavigation suite, they might set an alarm on their surface-search radar, and then they go and play cards for a week or two. The humies are really only onboard to manage any small mechanical issues that may arise, and because the legalities of fully-automated ships on your planet are... complicated.

[@rangelo7281]

@@SacredCowShipyards Hence why at sea real sailors will avoid merchants like the plague. Sure there might be a bridge crew, or just maybe the bridge crew fell asleep, is watching movie (likely porn), is updating their Assbook status you just don't know, and that is on a ship that has a bridge watch. Yeah at sea stay away from the merchants, they are modern day ramships looking for any target

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

@@SacredCowShipyards Ok, the boat was smaller, so I can see how size is a thing, but, having crossed much of that ocean (not mainland to mainland) usually in a crew of 3, I am thinking: 20 something crew? must be weird having so much company....

[@DIEGhostfish]

@@rangelo7281 Someone should remind the US Navy's recent hires about that.

[@sharpfang]

With security guard the thing is even mere presence of the security guard will deter criminals. So you may go 30 years without a burglary attempt and think the security guards are useless since no-one tries to break in anyway. Well, get rid of the guards and you'll have a burglar in a month.

[@MrGrimsmith]

Ah yes, Halon. Also known as "If the alarm goes off, run like buggery for the O2 gear because you probably won't have enough time to get out of the machine room" or how to add stress to an already stressful situation.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Interestingly, up to 5% Halon concentration only makes you giddy, and up to 15% makes you stupid, but it takes even more than that to kill you, and most commercial systems max out at ~7%. Now, CO2 systems? They'll kill you dead.

[@MrGrimsmith]

@@SacredCowShipyards IT machine rooms tend to be a smidge over specced, particularly for small to medium businesses. "How much capacity are we talking?" "Yes." seems to be the typical discussion. And yes, it got more dangerous when we had to switch from Halon to CO2.

[@tarmaque]

@@SacredCowShipyards A friend of mine who was in the navy in the 60's (now dead) told me they took all the CO2 fire extinguishers out of the maintenance bay he worked in. (A sub tender) Not because they were dangerous, but because the sailors kept emptying them on their beer cans to cool them down when they were in the tropics.

[@KLanio-lr8yv]

@@SacredCowShipyards interesting i had a internship at a place were they had a old Halon system those do not get appoved animore here) for thier Server room ( ok, server LEVEL), and each time i had to eaven cross there i had to be Told how dangerous it is; and what to do When the Sparkly lighst start ( run!) Andmandatory security Precaution,.. Either they are VERRy paranoid there, or the old stuff maxes out Higher Well; The serverroom was Basickyl a whole sublevel and would have been flooded at once...

[@SacredCowShipyards]

@@tarmaque There's no shortage of stories about Marines doing that on amphibs, much to the ship's DC crew's annoyance.

[@Echowhiskeyone]

So this whole thing is a huge Charlie Foxtrot.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Forcibly so.

[@davidflores2773]

Word

[@LostSnipeHunter]

Look up the Sincerity Ace, a sister ship that burned in the north Pacific (5 people died) a couple years back but the report of what happened has still not been released.

[@MrPedroleiria]

Just to be clear, the cars being carried here are Ferraris, Lambos, Bentleys and other such high end cars.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Not any more they aren't.

[@jacksteaks4943]

Were**

[@failedgrace2891]

No, the cars are Fireris, Ashbos, and Burntleys.

[@brokenursa9986]

It's specifically Volkswagen Group cars, so not Ferraris. It would be Porsches, Audis, Lambos, and Bentleys.

[@jlvfr]

@@failedgrace2891 :D :D :D

[@deusexaethera]

It was named "Felicity Ace" because there are so damned many ships nowadays that all the cool names are taken. Shipping companies just mash together ship names from random words that have the first letters that they prefer to use. On a different note, your videos are more than good enough without the background music.

[@minarchist1776]

Also consider the nature of the cargo. You get a good fire going, all of the cars have at least a minimal amount of fuel in their tanks and have their normal amount of oil, transmission fluid, and other flammable components in them. So once the cars start catching fire you could get a really nasty chain reaction. Thus it is not surprising me that the crew abandoned ship.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

This is, nominally, not terribly dissimilar from average sea-going vessels, though. There's oil and fuel and whatnot all over the place, and what's in those containers is anyone's guess (I mean, the container-owning companies set rules, yes, but how closely do they enforce them?).

[@laurencefraser]

@@SacredCowShipyards if nothing else, my understanding is that the vast majority contain a Lot of cardboard and polystyrene, which is a fun combination of flammables.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@SacredCowShipyards Container companies sticking to the rules? Ha! Ships are lucky if they get the weight close to right!

[@RaderizDorret]

My understanding is that ship was carrying a lot of EVs on board. All that hot-burning, highly-reactive lithium...

[@lsswappedcessna]

Not to mention any EVs on board. Lithium really does NOT like water that may come from any non-Halon sprinkler systems. It also doesn't like extreme heat very much. If Lithium batteries are exposed to water they may catch fire. If exposed to fire they may experience thermal runaway. If they experience thermal runaway, not much can stop them from being on fire and making everything else around them on fire, and when EV batteries burn they do so VIOLENTLY, at up to 2700C, or for my fellow American squishies (what the fuck is a kilometer?) that's about 4900F. A bit over twice the temperature of an engine fire in a combustion car. You have all this oil and gas and transmission fluid burning normally, it's hot and stuff, right? But you also have this really angry alkali metal that is being kept on fire both by any non-halon sprinklers on the ship as well as by thermal runaway from all the other fires and it's burning twice as hot as everything else, weakening floors, damaging the ship's overall structure as well as its electrical systems. Felicity Ace wasn't even worth the crew attempting to save as soon as the first EV caught fire. Want to know how fire departments are handling EV fires? They either get a crane and dump them into a pond, or cordon off the area and let them burn down and exhaust all of the chemical energy stored in the battery pack. Actually extinguishing an EV fire with normal materials takes so much water that most pumping equipment just can't keep up, and no fire hydrant has that amount of flow either. On a ship, where adding that much water at once means sinking as the bilge pumps couldn't keep up with it, all you've got that even has a chance at stopping that hot, violent meltdown is halon, and that only works in enclosed spaces, and RORO decks are often not small enough nor are they completely sealed up for halon to work properly.

[@Ulvetann]

'De-crewing the other ship' Hahah. That was a nice expression.

[@philvanderlaan5942]

The only forcible de-crewing of a ship I understand is accomplished with armed aircraft .

[@chickenmonger123]

@@philvanderlaan5942 Give me a gun, oh something above 22 rounds, and a ride to the ship. Can show you how it’s done.

[@knutzzl]

Civilian ship: 1crew per 10m length Military ship: 1crew per

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Truth.

[@robertb7293]

Once had a guy claiming to be a Concorde repossession agent turn up to claim legitimate salvage on the technical parked in the front bay of my CRL-D. Which is an odd thing to have happen while piloting an interstellar capable asteroid miner.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Those guys show up everywhere.

[@brandonpeterman9964]

As if it wasn't obvious enough before that the Dock Master has previous experience in the Navy

[@ZontarDow]

If no one wants to salvage her, well I guess the navy has target practice.

[@ClokworkGremlin]

So what I'm getting here is there's a massive, cargo-sized ship out there that's just up for grabs, and if I were to somehow abscond with it, people might actually thank me because I'd be getting it out of the way of other cargo ships?

[@laurencefraser]

Well, yes, but you'd also end up with a fun court case to resolve (that you'd Probably win, but only probably) regarding your salvaging of the thing... and then you've got a massive great hunk of steel that's really no longer capable of much of anything, so you'd have to pay (even if you're using your own tug to pull it around, it still needs various supplies) to haul the thing to a breaker's yard to extract its scrap value from it (not sure if you sell it to them or pay them to scrap and sell it for you)... or if you want to turn it into something usable again, if that's even possible, you're looking at a rather long and expensive time in a drydock (and the drydock owners will charge you for the privilege) while it gets fixed up. And the only way you can get out of even part of that is to just hang out with/on the thing in international waters clear of any shipping lanes... where getting any of the stuff you need to do Anything is about as expensive as it can be...

[@SacredCowShipyards]

^That.

[@yamiyugi2894]

Hello, I am the officer who was in charge of naming the Felicity Ace. I named it so it would match with the names of our other vessels such as the Despondency Jack and the Lassitude King. I hope this clears up any burning questions

[@whirledpeaz5758]

I think I need some antibiotics to clear up the burning sensation I got from this explanation.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

"Lassitude King" sounds like a great band name.

[@jacksteaks4943]

"IM NOT A PERFECT FRANK AM I???"

[@douglascolquhoun8502]

But, he seems to be an adequate Leslie Nielsen.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Definitely not a perfect Frank.

[@failedgrace2891]

@@douglascolquhoun8502 As long as you don't call him Shirley.

[@douglascolquhoun8502]

@@failedgrace2891 Thanks, I needed that laugh.

[@dinodude6992]

I wonder how the dock master would react to ork ships from 40k... Most likely he'd be swearing more so than usual

[@SacredCowShipyards]

That's likely all there would be.

[@foxboy747]

Uh oh, this channel is really starting to take shape. First a logo, now an opening and closing theme. What’s next an actual intro? Before we know it SCS might start talking about a face reveal at some random, and completely arbitrary, number of subs.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

But WHOSE face will I have stripped off their squishy fo.... I mean... use.

[@reecewestmoreland6137]

I learned 3 things from this video 1. Sprinklers don't use water 2. Accidents at sea are complicated in everyway possible 3. Never work in commercial shipping

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Some sprinklers do use water. In fact, most sprinklers - outside of server rooms - in your terrestrial buildings use water. But adding water inside of a ship poses /new/ problems.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@SacredCowShipyards And those water-on-board problems can really escalate when your scuppers are clogged with... was it potatoes?

[@hanzzel6086]

@@MonkeyJedi99 Yes, yes it was.

[@sski]

A ship full of Flammenwagens! Thanks for the news, Dockmaster! Love the music :D

[@larandrew77]

Purple K or AFFF (Aqueous Fire Fighting Foam) + training is a pain in the ass, but saves lives. The Navy learned LOTS of lessons during WWII about how to stop massive fires and keep ships afloat despite horrendous damage. Silly-villains would do well to learn from these lessons......but THAT would cost money. Like I said, DC and firefighting was a royal pain, but the squishies who don't die learn to appreciate that. :)

[@The_Viscount]

Yeah. I mean, civie ships could be built with compartmentalized machinery spaces, redundant damage control, and low center of gravity...but that would cost more, and reduce usable space even if it's safer! Looking at you cruise ship companies!

[@RorikH]

@@The_Viscount Cruise ships just need to seal the hatches and flood the compartment with CO2 whenever anyone coughs.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

A lot of lessons were learned by way of the Forrestal as well.

[@narrowgroundentertainment]

Thanks for covering this! I've been a trucker for a couple years now and it's made me interested in all sorts of transportation industry topics. I never would have heard about this if you hadn't made the video

[@JGregory32]

I wonder if we were looking at a self combusting electric fire, i.e. one of the electric or hybrid cars batteries self ignited. This could cause the car next to it, (they pack them in TIGHT) to catch on fire as well. Soon you're looking at the entire car deck on fire and modern vehicles are made with a LOT of materials that cause toxic smoke when burning. It's not usually a problem when you have one or two but a RORO with hundreds? No idea what could have caused the initial fire but I would blame the damp salt air causing corrosion in just the wrong place at just the wrong time.

[@LostSnipeHunter]

That is what initial evidence leans towards and would also explain why the firefighting equipment employed (curtains and foam) was not effective.

[@fenderstratguy]

Whoa whoa whoa…. Wait just a darn minute there…. I think it’s just way too early to speculate that Volkswagen ID3 lithium pouch cells made by LG of the kind described as dangerous by Elon Musk exploded onto flame and started the entire ship on fire🔥

[@SacredCowShipyards]

You humies really do seem to be having difficulty with the concept of "energy density". If it holds a lot of power, it'll blow up nice.

[@JGregory32]

@@SacredCowShipyards Scary thing is that technically every human is walking around with a layer of extremely energy dense material just under the skin. Human fat has 36 Kj per gram while gasoline has 46 Kj per gram. Biodiesel has the same amount at 38 Kj per gram, so yeah, humans are scary yo.

[@fenderstratguy]

@@SacredCowShipyards What is a HUMIE

[@bew140993]

Bro, these videos make complex shit so simple. I love it. Keep it up.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Glad they help.

[@jaxon_wesner]

Glad to see when one of my favorite channels uploads

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Glad you're enjoying it :).

[@Diveyl]

A floating brick. Heh. What if the floating brick is stationary? Or not floating at all? This remind me of an anecdote about BB or CV being advised to change the course by some number of degrees or they will hit the speaker, in response the ship is insisting that a caller correct his course and get the hell out of their way, in the end there is a threat about repercussions for obstructing the way for the mighty group of so and so vessels of various kind and many sailors onboard then and in response to that CV/BB hear something like this: "I'm alone here with my dog, we are in a house at the base of a lighthouse that is build on a rock. I gave you a warning."

[@Muljinn]

The closer I saw for that one was “We are a lighthouse. Your call.”

[@SacredCowShipyards]

One of the many glorious stories that, if it wasn't real at the time of its telling, became so eventually.

[@ClassicMagicMan]

Thank you, SCS, for enlightening us on how fubar this situation is.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

"Very."

[@philmitchell8109]

Container ships loose containers off the side more than you think. Makes a nice target if a military ship sees one, or a great metal iceberg if they don't

[@nath9091]

I was reading about the Alraigo incident in the 80s where a Royal Navy Harrier landed on a Spanish container ship after near running out of fuel on an exercise where their radio was inoperable. The ship claimed the Harrier as salvage and received a significant payout. Also I read the Ace fire was worse as EV batteries on board could not be easily doused by water and hence the fire could not be controlled while if ICE they may have been able to save it.

[@lsswappedcessna]

Adding water in the quantities they were able to probably made the EV fire worse. It's either a really good thing or a really bad thing that electric car batteries are not made of cesium rather than lithium, that would have been quite the explosion rather than reaching full on thermal runaway just that much quicker. On the other hand, if EVs exploded during a crash or just randomly as they sometimes tend to catch fire, it would save the driver from the unenviable fate of burning alive.

[@confusedcabal342]

Dockmaster, I have a question! Would taking the compressed cubes that were one considered ships from your dockyard be considered as legitimate salvage?

[@jlvfr]

I'd say that, if the are _in_ the dockyard, they belong to the dockyard.

[@xzardas541]

@@jlvfr I'd say that, if they are no longer in the dockyard they no longer belong to the dockyard

[@jlvfr]

@@xzardas541 true, but we have to find out how far are the territorial "waters" of the yard. But my guess? Those cubes have been sold to a scrapyard!

[@xzardas541]

@@jlvfr simple, dockyard authority extends as far as dockyard security

[@adenkyramud5005]

@@jlvfr our glorious dockmaster surely thought of that and added a scrap yard with a recycling facility on one end of the dock yard to immediately deconstruct these cubes and reuse the materials to make more profit.

[@DarthTrazyn]

My father used to work in shipping, he was basically a salesman, selling spare space in the ship to basically whoever needed something to go to wherever someone needed it to go, he would have been fascinated by this story, (he died to ALS in 2014)

[@SacredCowShipyards]

My condolences for your loss.

[@Reddotzebra]

I actually had no idea... So the civilian shipping run without a bridge crew? And they turn off hazard detection to save potential fuel? With the absolute minimum crew required... They apparently have sufficient life boats at least, but this still sounds absolutely crazy.

[@jonathanvandermark5950]

Its not really true. It is very rare that a bridge is left without someone on it. Since it goes against international laws. The question of if the person is awake or paying attention is a different question though.

[@michaelpettersson4919]

@@jonathanvandermark5950 Or sober...

[@aggie7462]

...with so few crew aboard, I figure it would be harder to *not* have sufficient lifeboats. But then, I know jack shit about seagoing vessels beyond the old little fishing boats I grew up around.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

"Since it goes against international laws." Ahem. [Cough.] Sorry, I'll be over here, totally not laughing my ... approximation of nether regions off.

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

@@jonathanvandermark5950 That assumes two things. 1) That the shipping companies actually give a damn. 2) People can actually _prove_ that there's no one there. Not to mention, it is probably not the case anymore. Otherwise, why would the Navy just assume there's no one there? It wouldn't be the first time corporations changed the law to suit their needs.

[@noahdoyle6780]

Wait, this is Volkswagen we're talking about here. Has anyone checked to be sure they're telling the truth?

[@noahdoyle6780]

Hazard to navigation? Sounds like it's time to test some Mk. 48 ADCAPs.

[@fakshen1973]

If only we could compress that abandoned humie ship to a cube.

[@almirria6753]

Smit Marine Salvage has been contracted by the ship's owners & the shippers who actually own the cargo.

[@scotth4713]

According to reports, there were a number of electric cars. That means lithium batteries and lithium creates its own oxygen when burning. Halon will not stop the thermal runaway that likely started the fire, so while it may extinguish the initial flame, it will just start up again.

[@patrickstewart3446]

Theory about the cause of the fire: Someone was lighting up in space no one was supposed to be lighting up in because there’s no way for anyone to fight a fire in that space. 😁

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Wouldn't be the first time.

[@pseudonym9599]

Any hulks left drifting in shipping lanes for more than 24 hours will be compressed into a cube, or used as target practice by the nearest navy.

[@lsswappedcessna]

Woulda been more entertaining than just letting it be if the US had gotten one of the Iowa-classes out of museum duty and taken her for a bit of a shakedown run. Last time they were used was during Desert Storm, AKA the Gulf War. They didn't do battleship things, we put a bunch of cruise missile launchers on them and used them as mobile weapons platforms. Turns out their insanely powerful and long ranged broadside makes them a great marine artillery emplacement. The missiles were just an extra little "fuck you and your entire ZIP code" to enemy troops. Perhaps Japan coulda brought their own pre-dreadnought, IJN Mikasa, out to play. Actually, fuck it, bring the USS Constitution as well, because why not? Iowa and Mikasa have plenty of guns individually to sink an already burnt out husk, but together and with the oldest ship still in active duty, let's just say the floating wannabe scrap cube wouldn't be afloat much longer. Also, having a late Age of Sail heavy frigate sink a modern car ferry alongside a nearly 150-year old pre-dreadnought and potentially the most advanced battleship ever built would be genuinely more interesting than everything else covered by the nightly news.

[@Reddotzebra]

"Modern day ships on fire float like bricks don't."

[@lsswappedcessna]

That's a very Hitchhiker's Guide-esque metaphor, don't you think? Makes me want to go and grab a towel.

[@ihtfp01]

And now I want to know more about freighter auto-pilots.... Good thing I'm already on the internet!

[@randolphphillips3104]

The USN taught me just enough about firefighting to know I never want to be a firefighter.

[@oliver-matthiasheinrichmei4148]

One of my instructors at firefighters school quotes often : we train for the people who hope that we will never be needed. And let us hope that we never will be needed.

[@randolphphillips3104]

@@oliver-matthiasheinrichmei4148 Very true. However, the Navy recognized the rank and file at sea can't stand in the parking lot and watch the experts do it (or so the damage control class instructed claimed), so even we lowly midshipmen had to qualify in basics.

[@oliver-matthiasheinrichmei4148]

That's very true there no reinforcements in the middle of the ocean, and I think that is the point of the problem. On land you call for help and it is coming. Even if it doesn't make it quick it comes. On sea there's no help only you and your mates. So it is :sometimes you lose sometimes the other team wins. Depressingly true

[@randolphphillips3104]

@@oliver-matthiasheinrichmei4148 True. Only reason to make sure that even something as worthless as a 3rd Class Middie knows enough to not get killed or kill someone else. (To be clear, the idea was to teach us to be of worth, but as a 3C we are as useful to the crew as a bicycle is to a fish.)

[@oliver-matthiasheinrichmei4148]

That is in my experience not true yes maybe you are not so capable as someone higher in the line but every thing could help. In fact you only know afterwards what was needed. In my first action as firefighter I don't put the fire out no no I was the hydrant watch and hose control no glory but more important than go in and take the fire one on one, no water=no fire down. The small things are that what count.

[@MoraFermi]

Now that's one ship that probably should get cubed...

[@SacredCowShipyards]

The old joke about razor blades... isn't always a joke.

[@Ichijoe2112]

People's Wagon? Is this some euphemism for German Volkswagen?

[@jordancambridge4106]

I blame the electric cars that the ship was carrying.

[@DanielMcCool95]

As someone who worked in the Fire Safety industry(Extinguisher technician) I can assure you Halon isn't necessarily deadly but it is toxic, also REALLY EXPENSIVE. Most of the Halon Chemical that we have today was made back in the 60's-70's and has been recycled and reused into other extinguishers and fire suppression systems. I'm genuinely surprised the fire suppresion system didn't go off, If it had one that is but by Maritime Law they should have one.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

It might have, and the fire might have just been too much or already spread, or it might have had a fault.

[@Ichijoe2112]

"So the fewer hours you can be tied up, the better!" Humm kinky...

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Giggety.

[@SueDoeNimh]

One Mk 48 later, two-thirds of the problems are gone. Then let the lawyers fight to the death about the money.

[@FrederickApollyon]

It brings me a surprising amount of joy hearing this AI overlord get excited and all technical about our maritime misadventures. This humble fleshie would ask about his stance on Shanties and how they may or may not or even should or should not be implemented into science fiction, but the thought of trying to get the great Overlord's attention seems as futile as anything on this insignificant speck of dust we call our planet (even though the ants are the dominant species, technically).

[@neuromancerD]

Soz for the extended reply, TLDR: Craft a universe to make sense for the story you want to tell, and everything works out in the end. Sea Shanties started out for largely functional purposes. So if you want shanties to make any sense at all in a science fiction setting you need to create one or both of two things: 1. For proper shanties you'd need a frequent activity requiring coordinated action from a decently high number of squishies/sophants. Virtually all tasks which historically used a shanty for coordination would be better solved in a high tech scenario with machines. OR 2. For forecastle(fo'c's'le) songs, you'd need to substantially limit alternative entertainment options. Group singing doesn't make sense in a context where you've got ipods, or personal computers integrated into your bunks. So if I wanted to write a story like that I'd have an interstellar body limiting, or taxing, the weight of computer circuits on ship, and or limiting the strength of it's AI(or making AI outright illegal) and because of that ships are made to have much more crew per cubic. Then I'd need to find an excuse for why ship crews aren't paid enough to bring their own computers along. Lots of options there. Throw in an extremely EMF sensitive FTL fuel, that has to be pumped by hand... And you've got a pretty solid set of excuses to put Sea Shanties IN SPACE.

[@FrederickApollyon]

@@neuromancerD You sir, win YT comments. So basically... 40k SHOULD by all means have shanties, and probably does, just in binary. Sung by the tech-priests while they maintain the machinery to appease the machine spirits... And by the Orks.

[@jsplicer9]

I worked for an international shipping customhouse broker for about a year. The amount of paperwork emails and phone calls involved on the client side alone is insane. Oceanic shipping is truly so complicated

[@YogsenForfoth]

I absolutely loved this video. You, sir, have earned yourself a new subscriber.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Only gets weirder from here!

[@YogsenForfoth]

@@SacredCowShipyards Anchor’s away, cap’n! 😂🤪

[@kentlindal5422]

[Insert joke about "Tug jobs" and "Paying by the hour" here]

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Giggety.

[@DIEGhostfish]

Insurance for carrying battery cars like that is going to get much, MUCH more expensive for shipping companies. Lloyd's was probably pissed.

[@Ichijoe2112]

"The fewer hours you can be tied up the better!". But, what if some of us are into being tied up by some other Squishie named Felicity? *Will this make it past the Prudes at Mt. View?

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Giggety.

[@LasseROM]

Hmm... I will have to make a cost benefit analysis to see if it is worth leaving Nautical vessels on the Sacred Cow Shipyard for my dice business. Also, all this info about rogue/ghost ships are definitely interesting and gives a lot of pointers as to what spaceship crews and galactic nations have to deal with. A ghost ship on auto pilot going at FTL speeds are discount planetcrackers just flying about.

[@lsswappedcessna]

how to solve the human problem, step 1: Have a ship moving at relativistic speeds on an intercept trajectory with Earth. You're welcome.

[@marcosalmendras4998]

13:00 OBA's?? don't forget to tap your face glass with the key. it's been a while since I've had to wear one.

[@judgedrift]

Oooo we got music!

[@Tejyasn]

Loving the new music!!!!

[@xymaryai8283]

Sacred Cow Shipyards: Also known as "Well Theres Your Problem when Roz, Liam and Alice Combine and Become God"

[@IRMentat]

General average sounds like the best worst idea or worst best idea in existence. Either way anyone without a stake in the main outcome just digs out the popcorn.

[@dasirrlicht5415]

So... When the tug tugs get to the put put, does the tug tug company set a intern onto the husk and claims it as scrap metal?

[@SacredCowShipyards]

In all likelihood the owners of the tugs will get a contract from the owners/operators/insurers/all of the above of the Felicity Ace, and it'll all be copacetic. But, yeah, that ship's bound for the breaker yards, and there's no way around it.

[@RipRoaringGarage]

Fire started from Li Ion batt packs. It is a fairly unstable battery. Whats more sad is that the last gas powered Porches, Lamborghinis and Bentleys were on that ship.

[@joshuahansen5486]

What do you want to bet most of those cars were Electric

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Yuuuup.

[@warhorse03826]

ahhh shipboard firefighting...reminds me of Long Beach shipyards in 1990..they bused us from bootcamp to the school, showed us the classified version of the Forrestal fire..and then they tried to burn us...

[@mikehenthorn1778]

they charge for every sec

[@qdllc]

Usually, ownership of the subject matter (car) is owned by the shipper. The shipping company is liable for any harm to the cargo being hauled.

[@MisterW0lfe]

what flavor was the ethanol in the Dockmaster's liquid cooling system this week?

[@IRMentat]

Crew still exists, the ship still exists, the owners likely still want SOMETHING done about it and it was never lost track of. I’m betting on not salvage unless the owners give up or take too long to do something about the floating wreckage.

[@Allegheny500]

OK, OK, my brain seems to have short circuited when the image of the HÖEGH TARGET came on screen. It keeps translating this as Huge Target.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

I mean, you're not /wrong/....

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Oh! My favorite show is on! The Insanity of Sol III! Today's episode..... humie ship caught fire and is now drifting. Humie laws are backwards because of it.... Interesting! Salvage with my people is a lot more streamlined, since Space is _ridiculously_ huge, we can't account for everything. In order for a shipping company to get an insurance payout for lost or damaged ships, each ship must have a computer that is very similar to your humie Black Boxes. Otherwise, they have to handle expenses. This also applies to Salvage. In order for you to get a finder's fee for the ship, the black box must be intact, otherwise it's assumed that it was intentionally damaged and you're guilty of Piracy. It's not a perfect system, no, but we generally don't have the time to have a hearing for _every_ ship that ends up salvaged

[@SacredCowShipyards]

"Whoopsiedoo, it's... 'lost'."

[@mattlewandowski73]

I am starting a new company... since you have the only ship yard that actually allows me to show up, I decided to name it Sacred Cow Salvage (yes I will cut you for a share of the salvage)... my official title will be Preemptive Salvage Specialist.

[@michaelpettersson4919]

The Titanic sinking got the rules to be updated so there would be lifeboats for everyone. Maybe this may force new rules about minimum crew size so they have the people needed to look for and deal with problems. This mean no 22 people on a giant ship, perhaps a minimum crew shoul be about 50, or maybe a hundred.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

Your humie consumers would never pay for the commensurate cost increase.

[@michaelpettersson4919]

@@SacredCowShipyards So in other words we can no longer ship production of just about everything overseas? I'll take that.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

That'd require your government to get out of your people's way, and, well.

[@mattlewandowski73]

to put it simply... ro ro became rut ro.

[@douglascolquhoun8502]

Music! And First.

[@charlesdaugherty321]

Congrats.

[@Ichijoe2112]

2004 called they want their meme back.

[@douglascolquhoun8502]

@@Ichijoe2112 Bless your heart. Much love, from a Gen X Grognard.

[@3xfaster]

Ah, I got one! The McBarge.

[@mowgli2071]

Skippy from Craig Alanson's Expeditionary Force novel series sounds a little like the dockmaster from this channel. Read it and tell me if I'm wrong

[@Vtfilamguy]

Could this be a real life "Virus" or "Deep Rising" situation? Thank you for the as always hilarious and this time quite timely as well as informative presentation.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

**shifty eyes**

[@TycoonTitian01]

So basically: don’t try to insurance kids

[@SacredCowShipyards]

I can't tell if there's supposed to be a comma in there or not, but either way, yes.

[@TycoonTitian01]

@@SacredCowShipyards originally yeah I meant to put a comma, but now that ya mentioned it, both work

[@ChancySanah]

During the gogo on the roro, there was an ohno, and who pays for what and who owns what? dunno...

[@markfergerson2145]

I wonder if it wouldn't be more practical to find a way to compress such ships to cubes in situ and let the result sink. Sure would save on the paperwork.

[@travcollier]

Why is it blue and white? Who thought that painting their commercial ship to make it harder to see was a idea? Yeah, minor thing, but shows either a lack of thought or screwed up priorities IMO

[@SacredCowShipyards]

The white I could kind of get for thermal regulation. I got nothin' for the blue. But, hey, consider your US Navy's last uniforms...

[@travcollier]

@@SacredCowShipyards Fair point. I could maybe imagine a case for standard brownish/greenish camo... Sort of like the AF "just in case you get shot down" uniforms. But if you're in the water, the last thing you normally want to do is hide.

[@williammagoffin9324]

@@travcollier The Navy camo uniforms are meant to let you hide: hide your stains from working on equipment. An irregular splotch of oil looks a lot like an irregular splotch of a dark color.

[@LackofFaithify]

Be a lot more simple if it could just be declared a legitimate target.

[@MrDj232]

Put some holes in it and let the liquid hate consume.

[@sharpfang]

Now I wonder if I could board "Of Course I Still Love You" right after Falcon 9 lands on it and claim it as mine, since it's a remote-controlled barge which has no crew on it. As for the ship, I think it would serve best as a training firing target for a submarine.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

The rules about autonomous ships are... decidedly vague on your planet.

[@malusignatius]

*Port costs are high* At least the risk of being cubed is relatively low.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

They're a lot more lenient than I am.

[@rafale1981]

I really liked this vid. Real technical maritime squishy stuff is always interesting. Btw, if you are looking for good indie sources/makers of music: I’m rather partial to KUMAKI Music, GOAT, and Epidemic. I don’t make any vids myself but a channel i really like uses them and their tone seems a good fit for your channel. P.S.: Detecting a hint of dad joke here @3:19 👍🏻

[@ThomasFishwick]

You’d think that at this point scuttling the ship would be a better option. I mean, you’d know, roughly, where they were. You can send a salvage vessel to recover what might be practical and keeping the exact location secret would be useful. Failing that the water would put out the fire

[@Ulvetann]

Fire and salt water. -Cars best friends.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

So abandoning the ship is considered to be acceptable because it keeps the crew safe and doesn't put the cargo in any more danger than it already is in. Deliberately scuttling it would be seen as an act of sabotage, with all the baggage /that/ entails. Also, shit's deep out there, yo.

[@Tomyironmane]

Do you have any idea what a roving fucking environmental disaster that would be? Seriously,

[@chrisbaker8533]

​@@Tomyironmane Dude, this ain't the exxon valdez. Get a grip.

[@MrAranton]

In a drydock a lot more of the ship can be practically salvaged than on the ocean. That should more than pay for the cost of towing it to land.

[@tinfoilhat3268]

I have seen stranger ship names some of the ships in England's get rather interesting. Like HMS Periwinkle.

[@SacredCowShipyards]

With her Captain Python.

[@tinfoilhat3268]

For anyone that's interested en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Periwinkle_(K55)

[@williammagoffin9324]

Few can beat HMS Gay Viking.

[@gigaspheal9439]

There was also a WW2 Corvette named the HMS Snowflower, it sunk a U-boat at point-blank Range by ramming and then turning around to drop depth charges right on top of it. Dumb names can be deceiving

[@MonkeyJedi99]

RORO no go? Ruh-roh.

[@jaywerner8415]

Besides the ENGINE exploding from the HEAT or the Fuel IGNITING thus casing a EXPLOSION, How does a fire SINK a ship exactly? Also holy shit a Legalize Cluster Fuck to put it lightly. 22 people for a ship that big? Decent size to be sure but thats BASICLY a SKELETON CREW. Id imagine the ship and its contents are probably worth a fair bit in SCRAP METEL at least (burned scrap metal). I must admit the idea of finding a abandoned ship in the middle of nowhere is quite the fascinating feeling, a similar feeling to coming across an abandoned building or town (Chornobyl being the obvious example) if you know where to look. Mostly just trying to figure out why everyone left and if the ship still works, though the answer to both of those questions is pretty obvious here, NO and FIRE.

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Not at all an expert, but I'd wager that, depending on how hot the fire gets, maybe the hull warps from the heat? You just need to break a weld. Older ships, like WW2 Era, were multiple different plates held together by rivets (Not sure if that's still the case) so a fire would just need to stress the rivets enough to make them _pop._

[@SacredCowShipyards]

What the velociraptor said. Even if the fire doesn't get hot enough to actually melt the metal, it /will/ get hot enough to allow the metal to deform from the pressures of the water wanting to get in, and, on top of that, there are lots of suction pipes and whatnot that are pulling water straight from the ocean (for cooling, or turning into potable water, or whatever) that would be endangered more directly by a fire.

[@richardstephens3327]

If the news reports are correct, yes that is a big if. Then the EV batteries have bin and may still be exploding and burning. If this is the case then no "normal" fire suppressant touches such fires. The batteries are able to burn with out any air. The only way to put out such fires is with specialized chemicals that even most large city fire departments only keep in special response vehicles. I say we tow it to some deep part of the ocean and tell any interested Navy that it is a free target.