ITA Airways Airbus A330 Hits Air France Boeing 777 And Takes Off

[@kieranstravels]

It's quite insane that NO ONE on the plane noticed the incident at all. Surely some sort of sound was heard when the ITA jet collided with the 777?

[@brandonn4023]

you gotta understand how loud the jet engines are tho

[@TheEchelon]

@@brandonn4023 Still, metal on metal is something you'd hear and even feel.

[@rayanaltowayan9558]

@@brandonn4023 yea but your sitting inside not outside, the aircraft would have vibrated or something if they had a wingtip strike

[@Southwest_923WR]

@@TheEchelon Not much metal, and even so, engine sound, babies crying, people talking, babies crying, flight attendants making safety announcements, babies crying, fellow passengers yakking, babies crying, ummm, what noise?

[@Southwest_923WR]

@@rayanaltowayan9558 Only on a SEVERE strike.

[@JKK_85]

If you listen to the full ATC recording you'll see how poorly the NY ATC reacted. Honestly the ground controller needs some punishment/training, hopefully this gets investigated by the FAA

[@localcarthief]

Its jfk’s atc, who are notorious for being ruthless and always in a aggressive manner. What did u expect

[@droneshotsantoine1805]

He should have intervened instead of asking the location of Air France several times

[@sho1715]

Right, although many people like JFK controllers, but I really hate their (St*ve) manner…

[@seagullsbtn]

ATC didn’t focus on the conversation. His mind wasn’t there. Shameful sub standard performance by the ATC

[@AT-nq6cu]

The Italians are upset they're not going to the World Cup and France is.

[@der.Schtefan]

I saw the VASAviation video about this, and the craziest thing was that ATC did not respond at all at the beginning.

[@carlo_berruti]

Correct. More exactly, it was ground control. They were extremely slow and dismissive. When the information reached the ATC itself, the ITA flight had already departed.

[@droneshotsantoine1805]

Me too, he should have intervened

[@jacksonandwillperelman]

The pilots of the ITA A330 should’ve absolutely returned the plane back to JFK when they became aware of what had happened. Anything that can cause danger to the safety of passengers and crew, even if it’s unlikely to occur, should be dealt with right away. Also, it seems odd that there was such a slow response to this if the 330 was already in the air once they had gotten notified. I had something a little like this happen to me when I was at LAX going to LHR on a Virgin Atlantic A350 and the jet-bridge hit the engine when it was pulling away. Luckily the pilots actually got notified instead of them finding out as we were in the air 😂.

[@willmac1748]

They knew. For sure

[@karlossargeant3872]

Only the Italians man.

[@Panfilo2]

And that's the problem with ITA just buying out Alitalias crew and Planes. The same issues will persist while the culture is changed.

[@michaelsloan9085]

I heard this ATC conversation a week ago and I think JFK did the wrong thing...as the video suggested they should have forced ITA to return to the airport for inspection. I'm just thankful that the plane landed safely in Rome.

[@Purple_Banana_69]

ATC cannot order an aircraft to return. They could offer a return routing, but ultimately it was the ITA captain's decision whether to return or not.

[@afcgeo882]

Air traffic controllers worldwide control the airspace, not pilots. They have no legal authority to force anyone to do anything. They perform an advisory role ONLY. Aircraft commanders have FULL authority over their aircraft.

[@Xuzyy]

What needs to be understood is, was the A330 not following the yellow taxi centerline with the nosewheel or was the B777 not correctly parked in the correct spot? Otherwise you will have the clearances to pass without hitting, in any case JFK ground staff was extremely slow in making ATC aware of the accident.

[@jouniairplanevideos]

Probably the b777. Those pilots don't understand American build planes

[@Kalvinjj]

The usual (edit: educated guess, not professional experience) would be a pushback clearance too soon, just a while ago I saw a video of a similar situation with a 787 and A350, tho the A350 had landed and was taxing to the gate, when the 787 received pushback.

[@AA-tz2bm]

-300ER probs too lobg

[@andrewlauder2777]

@@jouniairplanevideos if you are flying b777 you have a firm grasp of the b777 otherwise you shouldn’t be flying it american or not, that’s not how aviation works

[@BabyBytheBeach]

@@jouniairplanevideos LOL JOKES

[@coldpizzasoda8641]

Its nice to know we can rely on ATC to stop a plane full of passengers before it takes off with a damaged wing.

[@RLTtizME]

You are such a savage. Bet you are a sweetie.

[@TUMBA0]

The ITA captain was at the end of his block. Reporting the incident would have held him in NYC in to his days off and he wouldve had a hell of a time trying to tell his Italian wife he was stuck in New York again with his American one.

[@ehsan83]

by the time the situation was understood by ITA crew they were airborne and crossing the Atlantic. I know a phrase the ATC could use next time before planes get in the middle of Atlantic : ITA611 hold your position !

[@managed9348]

I would’ve continued as well..nice to know those birds could take a little beating and still fly

[@cjmillsnun]

They were airbourne but still with departure so still in NYC airspace. They should've been told to land.

[@MichaelVanBladel]

The fact that ITA continued on a transatlantic flight after being informed of the potential collision shows a concerning absence of safe decision making 😅.

[@Lonjul]

Yep

[@andrewjones-productions]

The first thing is to complement the Air France pilots for immediately reporting the incident as it was abundantly clear that they had safety paramount in their minds. The ITA plane should most definitely have returned to JFK for immediate inspection. Whilst the plane completed its journey safely, by ignoring ATCs information, they chose to take a risk which potentially could have endangered their passengers and their own lives. As for ATC, I understand that they need to fully understand the information given to them, I felt that they were far too slow to understand the clear message of the Air France pilot and should have immediately requested the ITA plane to hold whilst they ascertained the information. Since they are in control of the planes on the ground, I feel that the JFK ATC was grossly negligent.

[@petertimowreef9085]

2:01 "Hit them or something of that nature" Brother they either collided or they didn't. There's nothing else that's "of the nature" of hitting something that doesn't involve actually hitting something.

[@eamonahern7495]

Most unusual that no passengers noticed and came forward.

[@SJF15]

Or cabin crew.

[@eamonahern7495]

@@SJF15 yeah!

[@LMays-cu2hp]

Thank you for sharing.

[@Alb410]

My guess is that the ITA had its winglet hit the actual wing of the Air France, so its a minor fix for ITA (replace the winglet), and a major fix for Air France (gotta do all the checks on the actual wing)

[@hansloyalitat9774]

If they hit the wing then it would have hit everything else, it just hit the back im pretty sure, scraped maybe even not hit

[@Panfilo2]

yeah my guess is it hit the tail section. just need to know what stand ITA left from and it'd be pretty easy to figure it out.

[@XIIchiron78]

I think it hit the tailcone which depending on the location and force is a pretty big deal, there's a lot of hydraulics and structural connections to the stabilizers there as well as the APU. Even if there's not much damage it would be irresponsible not to look everything over which involves a pretty significant disassembly.

[@forza-e-honore]

"The first rule of Italian driving. What's behind me is not important." 😄

[@SavageBunny1]

They probably have Fred Loya insurance, that's why they where like, hey I'm out, catch me if you can 🤣

[@tekature]

I just realized that thinking of this as a hit and run makes it worse.

[@prachyavandegevel7176]

The taxi to take off is soo long I’m surprised if any of the passengers were awake lol x

[@AA-tz2bm]

welcome to JFK

[@Les_Gõr]

ITA Airways avete fatto bene a continuare!!

[@gerhardma4687]

knowing how Italians and especially cab drivers drive and deal with fender benders on their cars, nothing surprises me at all about this incident. Italian drivers are just more special cab drivers.... hahahaha

[@sylvainforget2174]

I hit a pole while pushing my a/c to the self serve gasoline pump many years ago. I cracked the fiberglass wing cap on my C150 and just ignored it. At the next annual inspection, my AME noticed and tore a strip off me for not reporting the incident to him (¡ or educated me !). Learning is tough but I think I learned something.

[@caiocc12]

Took me some time to figure out why your air conditioner needed fuel.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

Your Airmen Medical Examiner (AME) was involved in this? LOL

[@ViktorFromDK]

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Aircraft Maintances Engineer i assume he mean by AME?

[@Kalvinjj]

@@ViktorFromDK Thanks for the comment, I do assume it was a joke as well to keep in line with the air conditioner comment but I didn't know what AME could be as well so it worked in an unexpected way.

[@rtbrtb_dutchy4183]

@@ViktorFromDK I know, it was a joke. 🤪 But to be technical about it, it’s regional. In the USA, an AME is indeed the Medical examiner. For an Engineer we use AMT (Aircraft Maintenance Technician) but we usually use A&P. (Aircraft and Powerplant).

[@dcassus]

ATC: "These French still can't speak English after all these years. They're saying something crazy about a collision. Total nonsense."

[@Fal-911]

He was speaking English and I understood everything he said clearly .

[@acsimpson2633]

@@Fal-911 Oh dear, I think he was being sarcastic

[@gurnish9741]

He speaks English well, he just had an accent like all foreigners have accents

[@simu31]

There is *no* *way* the flight crew didn't feel something while they were taxiing... but I guess they could have thought it was a bump in the taxiway. Either way, with the aircraft only being on the ground for 2 days following the incident, it was probably only [minor] damage to the winglet, which is easily replaced. If the AF plane has been sat in JFK for 2 weeks, you'd have thought the damage to their tail was fairly extensive... That being said, a tail cone replacement is a quick fix too, as long as you have the part

[@KarolGrom92]

Not at all a tail cone replacement is a major job.

[@Kalvinjj]

An A330-200 is at the very least 120 tons, and it obviously was heavier since that is operating empty weight (so no fuel even), I doubt the ITA crew would feel much of anything with a winglet hit. The main lifting part of the wing sure, but I would bet the winglet (at least I would do it like this) is even weaker on purpose to be both lighter and not damage the wing in case it hits something. This does make me wonder how did the Air France crew even notice the issue, maybe cabin crew informed them?

[@simu31]

@@Kalvinjj Maybe. I wasn't on board so I can only speculate. I'm pretty sure the A330neo (and A350) winglets are made of carbon fiber, I can't remember if the A330ceo are made of the same stuff, but if they are made of carbon fiber, they're fairly solid. What I can say is, a heavy aircraft, including a fully loaded A330, you can feel every imperfection in the taxiway as it trundles along, so even if they did feel something, it could have been written off as another divot in the taxiway. I would also suggest, as the 777 is STILL at JFK two weeks later, the damage must be pretty bad, which would explain how the AF pilots would have felt the impact.

[@simu31]

@@Kalvinjj come to think of it, I'm pretty sure I've seen a video of an A330 wing tip (so the winglet) slice into another aircraft's fuselage without showing any major damage to it. I seem to have a vague memory of seeing that.

[@Kalvinjj]

@@simu31 The Air France aircraft might have gotten hit on some important components, such that the maintenance to it wasn't trivial, maybe not big damage, but serious damage. Replacing just a winglet vs. some slats is one likely case, I would also like to know more, if anything else just to satiate this curiosity. Sure the winglet isn't weak by any means, but it really doesn't have high pressures on it like the main wing structure, as it doesn't produce lift (it does of course handle all the drag related to it at near the speed of sound, so definitely not paper), the wing tip it's attached to tho definitely has some strength to it, hit it closer to the base and the damage might be quite severe. I remember seeing it on a video being ripped pretty badly from another aicraft's wing (I think a 787 or what was it).

[@chulhogan1445]

where are the camera footage from JFK taxi...dont tell me there is no cameras....

[@koharumi1]

The passengers of ITA plane. What is that grinding noise? Must be the engines.

[@ejkk9513]

Two incredibly safe and brilliant aircraft shouldn't play rugby together... they should be friends and live a long prosperous life.

[@christopherescott6787]

Regardless of ATC, the crew, being notified of a collision were negligent in continuing the flight without ensuring the aircraft was safe to do so.

[@managed9348]

They didn’t know they were hit….

[@ammo2222]

At least they should have looked out the Window instead immediatly responding with "negative"

[@managed9348]

@@Bob-fk8vd they did not tell them right away…they pilot informing them off the collision used ALITALIA(ceased operations) so there was in fact a delay….I’m pretty sure you know how busy New York airspace is..

[@NarutoHarryPotter]

So ITA a330 never felt the hit and suffered minor damage, while Air France 777 is grounded for 2 weeks? How so?

[@Panfilo2]

probably wing rip hitting rear section is my only guess.

[@TheZayzoo]

A classic tale of Money Comes Above Safety

[@vinznii9156]

ITA Airways is weird. Same Route, few weeks ago -> Both pilots fall asleep in cruise. Now this?? What the hell xD

[@Evil.Totoro]

Are there no security cameras present there?

[@JM-kx8jk]

Hey, I'm taxiing here!

[@kevinbarry71]

Italian pilots taxiing the way they drive in Rome traffic

[@sharlesleglerc]

NY controller attitude: What's the issue Frenchie? You complaining about what?

[@generaclesdey4622]

It should be easy to prove or disprove the claims of both airlines. If the damage on both aircraft is compliant, we gave a case. The real question is: Did the Alitalia crew have knowledge of the incident! If they chose to flee, these people should be disciplined. No airplane should fly with undefined damage to a wing!

[@generaclesdey4622]

ITA has a perfect record of never leaving a passenger in the air!

[@cjever6625]

A big red flag. That A330 could've lost a part of its wing mid-flight.

[@Account_abandoned-q7m]

Hit and Run got updated boys!

[@SupUce]

Well….I’m just glad that they made it safely to there destination.

[@derser541]

they're*

[@CFS1822]

@@derser541 *their

[@waytoomanysquids614]

ITA kinda got many accidents / occurrences on their record lately hm?

[@riccardo7945]

While Alitalia had near to zero severe accidents in the last 30 years…

[@heidirabenau511]

An ITA pilot fell asleep over France

[@thatboeingguy]

@@heidirabenau511 that is ironic cause it was over France and they just hit an airfrance

[@riccardo7945]

@@thatboeingguy I don’t think that was the same flight ..

[@Two_Avgeeks]

THATS CRAZY!

[@christopherhennessey8991]

I’m glad no one was killed.

[@caboklr]

So,NO VIDEO of the "accident"!

[@cheems5015]

Yup, the ita continuing takeoff and ignoring atc is a very Italian thing to do, as an Italian myself I can confirm

[@espressoelse9660]

Was it the same ITA Airways cockpit crew which altogether fell asleep during the flight? Maybe both pilots habe already started sleeping during taxiing 😂

[@tripple7W]

At the moment the airfrance aircraft is still waiting for a replacement part. AF Mecanics are in NY, ready to do the repairs

[@JoeOvercoat]

The focus on who hit who is detrimental to determining if there has been an collision. Why did the ATC even ask about if they hit the aircraft? … the only thing the ATC should’ve been asking is “you say you think you collided?”

[@lukeworldwide]

ITA crew should be reprimanded or sacked. They do not have the authority to just deny an incident reported to them and then to risk the lives of all on board by ignoring the report.

[@williamwildcat]

Plane hit and run?

[@germanpoweractivated]

Hit and fly

[@simphiweradebe2680]

That's more like it👌🏾

[@B345T1N355Official]

Unpopular opinion but the ITA pilots should be criminally charged with a hit and run and fired. The ATC involved should also be punished for their mishandling of the incident.

[@Archduke17]

Between this and a pilot falling asleep over France, one should be concerned about the safety of ITA.

[@jouniairplanevideos]

Frence fault

[@RLTtizME]

And the French almost piling up that 777 with dueling flight controls.....

[@acsimpson2633]

@@RLTtizME Translation required

[@RLTtizME]

@@acsimpson2633 Air Fronnce...777...near loss of control on approach.....dueling flight controls.......Google......works great.......could answer the hundreds of questions piled up in your noggin....must be exhausting for you.....ohrezevoir.

[@acsimpson2633]

@@RLTtizME What, pray, are ‘duelling’ controls? Captain: “En garde!” First Officer/Copilot: “Mais que’st ce que?” Captain: “I have control”. Copilot: “D’Accorde”.

[@aeromender]

BIZARRE! Shame on ATC for not directing ITA to a parking spot until it was sorted out. That airplane should not have been allowed to depart. The whole story is bizarre. Where are the ITA log books? Was a winglet damaged? Did anything get logged by crew or Mx post flight? Is it still damaged? Is it fixed? What damage is in the logbook for the 777? Hard to believe this is still unresolved.

[@zork999]

I wonder if part of the problem ATC had is that Air France said it was an Alitalia jet, an airline that does not exist anymore. It might take some time to translate that to ITA. Still really bad on the part of the ITA crew.

[@simonloth1795]

it was Alitalia livery not ITA

[@zork999]

@@simonloth1795 I know that and you know that, but the ATC knew it as ITA, regardless of what someone seeing the plane would know.

[@XIIchiron78]

Actually the old livery might explain the ATC's attitude a great deal - his confusion could have been due to not seeing any matching callsigns on his scope? Edit: It also might explain why they didn't order the other plane back since they weren't sure it was actually the correct one Still there should be an examination and correction of procedures for things like this since it could have been a disaster...

[@punkyskunk9317]

I guess Airbus planes are just built different! 💪 But yeah, for safety purposes, the Alitalia jet should have turned around and been inspected for damage asap. Who knows if the wing could have failed mid-flight, and then we’d have a whole different case on our hands.

[@l2etranger]

Not that strange really, passengers may just not believe their eyes and think they are seeing things. An AF A380 clipped the tail of a parked commuter jet years ago, and the scene was similar to toys being shuffled around.

[@richardshiggins704]

The AZ possibly damaged the the vertical stabiliser with the wing tip hence bigger repair job .

[@RLTtizME]

You are fined $50 USD for using the word "hence". Credit cards only please.

[@keybraker]

scary

[@dubrovink66]

"pictures. or it didn't happen." If in doubt, allways return to airport, inspect, continue if nothing found. Safety first!

[@johnmarkmallare2488]

Does ATC have the power to command an aircraft to turn back to the origin airport for inspection?... If so, then they should have instructed the pilots to turn the aircraft back. Maybe in those moments the crew of the ITA aircraft was busy, so the ATC should have made it clear to the pilots.

[@andrewlauder2777]

No but once ACT had informed the pilot an inspection by his cabin crew should have been undertaken and if he was still within landing distance of an airport he should have landed before continuing over an open ocean. my guess is he would have been informed well before Gander and if choose to continue then he’s reckless and should have his pilots licence taken away

[@chadnga8]

It seems very strange that no passengers on the Italian plane noticed the collision. Even when an A380 clipped the tail of a Delta regional jet, it was apparent to passengers and the crew right away. Granted... that was definitely a more severe collision. If the Air France plane had more damage, and the Italian plane didn't have nearly as much damage, I guess it's possible the passengers and crew on the Italian plane may have not noticed; maybe they were playing the safety video and everyone was pushing very close attention (jk).

[@RLTtizME]

The Italian passengers were all drunk.

[@benzeeable1]

They probably closed their window shades and no one saw or noticed what happened. This incident is one of the reasons why all the bloody window should be opened during taxi and take off, in case of emergency. I can’t begin to tell you how many times the flight attendants have informed passengers to open their windows during taxi and take off and only few people who understand the world of aviation do it.

[@franceskinskij]

@@RLTtizME that's not funny

[@RLTtizME]

@@franceskinskij badaboom

[@koharumi1]

I think those pilots should not be allowed to drive either.

[@srdjanjevremovic3267]

.....with all those cameras and ground crew around 😂😂😂😂

[@OfficiallyHendo]

This took Home Run to a whole new level Don’t get it? ITA is an Italian Airline and Rome is in Italy.

[@leighhearn5643]

The ITA captain should have been ordered to return for an inspection. Just saying “Oh I didn’t hit anything “ when the other aircraft said “I just got hit” isn’t good enough!!!

[@pmsagdeo]

Well, I am perplexed. No pictures of damage to either aircraft. It would appear that the wing tip of the A330 scraped the 777, resulting minor, non consequential damage.

[@colinrenfrew48]

This is a worry. And follows on from an ITA pilot asleep in the cockpit, whilst inflight.

[@aviationgaming1564]

ITA is just having problems after problems and it’s a young airline

[@RonPiggott]

I bet if Air Frame declared a Mayday for the collision the ITA plane would have come to an abrupt stop and been inspected

[@alexeimscruz2893]

whatever it is who is responsible, it will just be a matter of time before whatever the alleged collision and subsequent damage would rear itself with a much damaging consequence some day after several cycles of takeoff and landings... the ITA A330 must disclose the damage and repairs they have made before something horribly wrong would happen with the A330... the Air France 777-200 has done their sensible part to ensure the safety of their air craft but the Italians with typical Roman attitude have not...

[@ivangeo3319]

The planes said hi to each other.

[@mafiaboy87]

Finding it hard to imagine a cabin full of people missing it entirely. Or better yet, failing to report it. Was it at night? I’d think if someone saw it then felt the plane begging taking off, they’d be pulling the emergency door open.

[@drrohanjohnmichael]

Didn't the passengers feel any jolts in the cabin in either planes?

[@RLTtizME]

They were all highly intoxicated.

[@ThatCasualAirbusSupporter]

POV: You bump into a random 4 year old in the playground and he starts crying

[@JJHandle001]

Yeah that Boeing 777 is such a cry baby wah wah something hit me wah wah

[@AA-tz2bm]

777 makes the a330 look like a child

[@jamesfore5662]

it is very scary!!

[@RobEJC]

We had such high hopes for Alitalia 2.0.

This is one of the reasons why the cabin crew requests the blinders to be open upon taxi and take off !

[@xplicit7203]

Got it wrong, NYC was neglective to the situation and still gave them clearance and spoke to them afterwards. As well as the ITA captain not taking necessary precautions. Both NYC and ITA captain should be suspended.

[@ILC-eo6vk]

ATC should've demanded them to turn around and land

[@kevonholder8272]

I saw that on the news and they said that it was a320

[@ethansaviation2672]

Yep that's news for you😂

[@jorgem.alonso5409]

Tipical HIT AND RUN……

[@andrewlauder2777]

Let’s be honest ITA is a new airline built out of Alitalia that went bankrupt no chance are they in any fit stage to be thinking safety they just want bums in the seats and a full plane of people regardless. The crew on that flight had to be aware not only this inspections done by pilots and ground crew in rome would have had to have seen damage to that aircraft when it landed and they still sent it off on flight 😬 no chance i’ll be flying with them anytime soon

[@GigglesClifton9]

Does this voiceover guy also do the promotion videos for fertilizer you see on mini screens in garden centres?

[@commerce-usa]

ITA: It was just a bird strike. 😲🙄

[@cabottaxi]

French / Italian kiss. Someone's head is going to roll.

[@rayyan6515]

Italy vs France

[@filipeviola]

not looking good for ITA Airways, pilots falling asleep, hit and run while taxiing ...

[@serbia_aviation]

One of the last aircraft with Alitalia written on it...

[@marcelcordes8075]

How did no one feel a clowishon?

[@BREADCRUMB]

Hit and run

[@jamessimms415]

If Kennedy Steve (since retired) been on duty, the ITA plane wouldn’t have sniffed the runway

[@LMays-cu2hp]

That ITA 330 should have been called back to JFK. You have Air France on the ground and had stay on the ground for their investigation. That ITA flight needed to be turn around come back to JFK and so that all the maintenance guys can look at that aircraft.

[@pieromarenco5138]

A big mistake in this video , why you didn’t report the dinamic of the incident?

[@emilianstefan4424]

Romans and Gauls still like to go at it from time to time.

[@tae_mx]

a few weeks ago, two A320s from Volaris almost crash in mexico city because one didn't follow instructions.

[@kealuo]

So thats why theres an airfrance 777 jet by the AA Hanger lmao

[@richardkostic6681]

The pilots have an obligation to the safety of their passengers & crew.. They should have asked for emergency clearance to return to the airport period and done so...those pilot shouldn't ever be allowed to fly a plane, not even a kite...glad hear no one parished..🙏

[@herceg6772]

Did anyone find any damage on the planes since the accident?

[@cjmillsnun]

Yes. The Air France 777 is still at JFK and not airworthy. The ITA was grounded for 2 days.

[@parakatesreekanth]

AlItalia should be punished for not following the protocols.