Itagaki Tomonobu destroys DMC4 Capcom producer

[@doclouis4236]

This is some ancient beef right here

[@NEEDbacon]

The kind of beef Steve1989 would eat and comment it has a "Nice hiss" when opened.

[@onlIM0D]

DMC4 sisters... I think we are losing this one...

[@BigVEE]

>enemies exist to be killed v. enemies exist to kill you When will they learn?

[@joe_mama__]

Itagaki is my favorite NFT scammer

[@SpadeHand]

Oatmeal Cookie-san 🙏

[@lowlifestyle]

somebody take me back to these days

[@jsh020]

We'd be waiting a decade for another real dmc and itagaki would go on to be one of the biggest frauds in gaming and eventually moving on to nfts How little we knew at the time

[@magicjohnson3121]

​@@jsh020 Itagaki a fraud? No way. Just because of the NFT thing?

[@EmuQuest]

@@magicjohnson3121 yeah he's a fraud, anyone who promotes NFTs is a fraud

[@ElAssoWipe-o]

I want my time and my youth back.

[@wwld9823]

the virgin home console producer vs the chad handheld developer

[@ShoXwavee]

That's my GOAT Never insult Ninja Gaiden: Dragon Sword 🗣🗣🗣

[@OverlordBordin]

Enemy producer defeated.

[@MARlAmuda]

Kobayashi Dev May Cry

[@NoxinPistol]

NG Dragon Sword gave us Momiji. That is enough for me to defend that game despite hating the fact that you have to rotate your DS to play the damn thing. Plus, I'm also left-handed.

[@icecreammouth]

Holding the DS like a booklet isn't as tedious as it sounds after awhile. Plus, there's an option to invert the screen if you play left-handed like I do. _Unlocking Momiji was harder than any boss fight in the entire game, though._

[@EmuQuest]

I love DMC but what he said is correct, the enemies are just targets, in Ninja Gaiden they actually attack you actively

[@salsamancer]

Ninja Gaiden vs DMC, man to go back to the days anybody really cared Ninja Gaiden is like a finely tuned supercar. Yeah you can really get a lot out of it but it's extremely punishing to any mistake and not as comfortable as it looks. DMC is like a high end street car. Anybody can get in and have some fun. And if you are really good you can squeeze a lot of performance out of it.

[@CarlTheSpud]

Holy crap *grabs dark glasses* CALL AN AMBULANCE! BUT NOT FOR ME!

[@magicjohnson3121]

Wish Itagaki stayed at Koei Tecmo. We need more crazy people who can make good games.

[@neonfatum]

This is ancient lore! But yeah people always say this when the discussion of DMC vs NG comes up, but it's not really true that DMC enemies don't do much, especially on harder difficulties. DMC is more forgiving in general or maybe just ramps up the difficulty more slowly, but it also doesn't ever literally give you 5 seconds of i-frames for free like NG does and which it encourages you to abuse. DMC4 is a pure classic that aged like fine wine, even though it's like half the game it was supposed to be. Might just be nostalgia from playing it like 30 times and it being the newest DMC game for like a decade, but it's so good. Love NG1 and 2 as well though. All peak videogames~

[@Potidaon]

4 has definitely not aged well outside of the combat and cutscenes. Or rather, it was never good outside of those areas. Unappealing, underripe grapes sometimes make good wine regardless.

[@Superdude-rd2gs]

it's not like NG2 has much apart from the combat ​either honestly@@Potidaon

[@Potidaon]

It doesn't mainly because NG2 is a largely streamlined experience. DMC4's campaign is anything but.

[@Superdude-rd2gs]

@Potidaon it being a streamlined experience doesn't stop it from having bad level design, dogshit bosses, poorly designed enemies, a shitload of technical issues on release and the last quarter of the game being a slog.

[@FelipePalha66]

​@@PotidaonI don't get it. What else a hack n slash can be good at but cutscenes, gameplay and story? 2 of 3 seems good to me. And to be fair not even 5 can beat 3 storywise so I just ignore the story at this point

[@shenotski]

How’s Devils 3rd going Iti?

[@badabingee]

Japanese Romero basically Devil's Third 🤝Daikatana

[@NihilisticIdealist]

I hear Devil's THird is not that bad. Also, there wasn't much hype to Devil's Third compared to Daikatana.

[@XELNAGATYLER]

They're completely different types of action game. I am not sure why people are trying to compare. Devil May Cry is about performing super advanced combos on enemies with some resident evil aspects and Ninja Gaiden is about pure survival and aggression

[@francesco3772]

Yeah nah play DMC3 then come back intact

[@XELNAGATYLER]

@@francesco3772 I'm literally a DMC3 world champion lmao

[@Top10KanyeMoments]

People compare them bc they're the best in their own genre. It's the same as people comparing silent hill to resident evil

[@elivcdxv1852]

​@@XELNAGATYLER the brake check on that statement But yeah, NG and how vicious the enemies in that game are makes me extremely happy, I'm not good at the game but it feels good knowing I can go into combat and die in roughly 6 seconds if I approach it wrong, Ryu feels cool to play because the damage enemies can dish out absolutely means you have to approach things correctly, and when you do- you're usually still alive, and able to move on Enemies in DMC3, DMD mode especially feel like they only really punish you for either taking too long (DT) or handling them wrong (DT again), but the boss battles feel great to play, but slogging through some of that enemy design just for the bosses feels rough; absolutely miss the level design though

[@Potidaon]

Nah, DMC used to be hard, and the challenge was always an intended part of the core appeal. They got easier after 3 as an overcorrection to consumer feedback. There's nothing in the core design or philosophy of DMC that prevents them from making it harder. They're just more concerned about approachability.

[@FelipePalha66]

I wonder now what he thinks of the other DMC titles. Because the one problem I had with dmc4 gameplay wise is that enemies seem to get out or straight up ignore your combos and attack you making some fights really annoying but it's not a problem in the other DMC games

[@Rafael-rn6hn]

DMC has a real issue with difficulty. Higher difficulty settings do solve most of the problem, but because they are not available from the start it hurts the first playthrough, imo. This is true for most DMC games--and I say this as someone who enjoys DMC. I cannot agree with the sentiment that it's ok for DMC to lack a challenge because it is a "combo simulator". It honestly sounds like cope.

[@FelipePalha66]

I don't understand this obsession some gamers have about difficulty like it's some samurai code of honor. Maybe bc I am gamer boomer at this point but I prefer the slow increase of difficulty because it builds on your skills and game knowledge and gives you time to gather resources so when you get to Dante Must Die the only thing holding you back is your skills

[@HydefHyde]

I thought he was going to comeback with "DMC4 isn't a real action game, and it's on a console"

[@MARlAmuda]

the virgin dante may cry VS the chad ryu, the ninja gaiden

[@maaramori3404]

John Gaiden of the ninja gaiden series

[@Hollow_Autumn]

John devil might cry.

[@magicmanscott40k]

I played a few really good action handheld games. I agree that enemies have to be a real threat. I do have way more hours in dmc than gaiden. I like dmc boss fights a lot more.

[@azekeprofit]

Bants must be a pre-requisite for action game directing because the GOAT directors are also S-tier shitposters too.

[@NEEDbacon]

Thi think it's more that good devs that know their shit, know when others are talking shit. Take Hirada's "Don't ask me for shit"

[@DANAR-ne3cn]

Honestly these days devil may cry community gets attacked by god of war and ninja gaiden community XD

[@ozysalt4831]

Dmc community are not saints anyway

[@DANAR-ne3cn]

What do you mean?

[@ozysalt4831]

@@DANAR-ne3cn it means that there is not worst community then the other , all three have their toxicity

[@DANAR-ne3cn]

@@ozysalt4831 to be honest I haven't seen a dmc fan talk shit other peers

[@ozysalt4831]

@DANAR-ne3cn oh boy the vergil comparison to everything is a thing

[@dsagent]

I just want more good action games in general.

[@magicjohnson3121]

Also get rid of the adventure parts of games like DMC and Ninja Gaiden. Just pure focused action.

[@ozysalt4831]

No because that would be extremely repetitive content

[@EmuQuest]

and less soulslike

[@alanherbethe7338]

Parece a Regina Casé

[@brenucci4]

Podicrê kkkkkkk

[@liplepeoberty5815]

Like the way you put Itagaki in front.

[@NihilisticIdealist]

Its true, the enemies in DMC4 & DMC5 are mostly just combo dummies. The combat doesn't have much depth beyond trying to showcase crazy combos. Whereas Ninja Gaiden Black & 2 have real depth, but its all about fighting real opponents. There enemies aren't there for you to kill, they're trying to kill you.

[@doclouis4236]

And then you realize UT charging in the 3D Ninja Gaiden games is super exploitable and does make the long list combo almost completely pointless when you can learn to UT spam with yellow or blue essence.

[@Ryuma103desires]

You know you can like a game without having a bad take to make it seem justifiable? DMC is for styling and combos that's what people like in a hack and slash that's why it thrives

[@FelipePalha66]

PoV: you don't know games can have different aims that aren't just what you like

[@shrippie-4214]

I thought the same about dmc4

[@Rorschach1195]

Truer words never spoken tbh.

[@RoflMaiWaffel]

Devil's Third

[@buzzybola]

The problem with Dragon Sword wasn't that it was on a handheld, it's that it was made for the gimmicky piece of shit that is the Nintendo DS instead of the PSP, the greatest seventh gen handheld system. Casual-ass Nintencels aren't gonna be playing a 3D Ninja Gaiden title; and thus the game flopped.

[@reedm7619]

DOA also isn't a fighting game 😝

[@hisholiness4537]

Dragon sword sucks

[@Sora744]

Tbh DMC4 was the worst game out of all 6 games

[@NihilisticIdealist]

Not even close. DMC2 and the vanilla version of DmC are worse than DMC4.

[@Sora744]

@NihilisticIdealist not at all. Vanilla DmC blew dmc4 out of the water. Way better story and gameplay. You clearly never played vanilla DmC

[@stormysoup1083]

If Itagaki thinks DMC4 enemies are passive and easy than I'm nervous to see what he thinks of the reboot and 5

[@NihilisticIdealist]

DMC5's enemies are more passive than DMC4's.