Italian Rifles of World War 1 featuring Othais from C&RSENAL I THE GREAT WAR - Special

[@Ynimixer]

"We don't have horses, you guys jog - and carry less stuff" lol

[@lolloblue9646]

More or less

[@akapbhan]

TBF that's how Marian reforms worked too. That's why people called them Marian mules.

[@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338]

@@akapbhanexcept you still have to carry 90 pounds worth of gear in the marines lol

[@triangledefinition]

May always looks so happy when she's shooting, its nice when people can do what they love.

[@phiphedude7684]

Mae :D

[@RenerDeCastro]

Having played Isonzo for more than 30 hours already, it's interesting to know a more detailed history behind the Carcano and Vetterli rifles.

[@jonbrollinsface2420]

You still on?

[@YounesBoussouar-su7qk]

You still on?

[@jeffkiess]

Isonzo brought me here as well to learn about all those mysterious rifles I had never heard of prior to playing.

[@AWPtical800]

Carcano: decent sniping rifle for the mountains... or Dallas. Also looks like the Italians beat the Germans in making a flamethrower with that TS.

[@rogerd777]

Oswald used the Carcano M1938, not the M1891. Not a WWI firearm, it was a shorter version of the M1891 and chambered for a different round, spitzer-pointed 7.35×51mm

[@davidnunya1943]

​@@rogerd777 Still funny though.

[@shortbutfunnyvideos]

@@rogerd777 Actually Oswald's M38 was chambered in 6.5 carcano. However, some released CIA documents did state that a man connected wish the CIA bought 4 carcanos chambered in 7.35 intended for the assassination

[@lafeelabriel]

Holy moly that Vetterli is huge. Size aside, though, that's a surprisingly modern bolt action rifle. Especially considering it dates back to 1870!

[@DZR3WIND]

Before watching this channel i didn't care about WW1, but after watching many video of on this channel, it made WW1 is fascinating to learn about for me. Thanks for doing that!

[@TheGreatWar]

That's all we ever hoped for.

[@CMRCLDIVER]

DZR3WIND watch "ww1 oversimplified " it'll tell ya everything you need to know in like 5 minutes

[@menofcatholicism]

@@CMRCLDIVER im late but this channel was much more in depth than oversimplified

[@grant9939]

@@menofcatholicism well it is in the name after all.. 😅

[@toledotown]

Loving all the Italy content lately :)

[@Flakfire]

Mama mia! That'sa great episode!

[@leonardocurcio6199]

Flakfire mamma*

[@Ashfielder]

Flakfire I knew you'd be here. Nothing pulls me in more than C&Rsenal and TGW!

[@MaVOfficialHD]

cool to know you watch these aswell! :D

[@TheGreatWar]

+Flakfire Don't forget to check out AH, Germany and France too. More relevant to BF1 and Verdun for now.

[@jrapcdaikari]

I wish BF1 had the Carcano rifles. They added the Italian army (and Arditi) in the base game, but the only Italian guns I see are the Beretta 1918 SMG, the Experimental Cei-Rigotti, and some Italian pistols.

[@jodiecourtland871]

She is always grinning when firing a gun. Any gun. Love her!

[@maewinchester2030]

And I love shooting!

[@JustAChannel_13]

Don't we all?

[@dount566]

The use of the Toy Solders in this video was a treat lol. Great video on all parties, keep up the great work!

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks!

[@CaptainGrief66]

9:16 ...It's pronunced ''Moskettoh'' (Musket- in italian old designations it defines a short stocked firearm) Also: In WWII italy actually was able to fit the special divisions with semiautos, like the Scotti Modello ''X'' for the special elite division of the paratroopers the ''Folgore' or the Armaguerra Modello .39 for the Bersaglieri.

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

TheOtakuComrade Hello comarade Katyusha

[@mauriziodanielemutti7874]

TheOtakuComrade Are you sure? I knew that the Scotti lost the competition and only the Armaguerra was produced

[@CaptainGrief66]

Corn Marketman The Army decided to continue making the Scotti since it was really cheap and easy to produce, but they made more of the Armaguerra anyway because it was much more stronger and more suitable for an active infantry role

[@neutronalchemist3241]

The reason of the Moschetto TS is that there are a series of jobs in the army (passing artillery shells, load and unload mules, ecc...) that are not compatible with a long rifle. If you give a long rifle to the men that had to do those activities, they'll put them somewere while they do their "main" job, with the result of not having the rifle at hand the moment it's really needed. A Moschetto TS is small and light enought to be worn while doing other manual activities, and it had a bayonet, not cause those troops were really expected to use it for combat, but cause they needed it as a tool (can opener, wooden box opener, lever, ecc... the real main use of bayonets in both world war) even more than normal infantry.

[@jelkel25]

The Canadian Rogers controversy would be a great episode in itself. Both channels have done a fantastic job of bringing a subject that can be presented as a little dusty to life, great stuff!

[@laretus]

I'm glad you returned to an edited format for these, I just did not feel like watching that unfocused, unedited stuff you did previously for the weapons overview

[@maewinchester2030]

Took some extra camera work but I agree, totally worth it for the extra quality.

[@laretus]

Thanks for the reply! Keep up the good work :)

[@maewinchester2030]

Ok, but only because you said so.

[@TheGreatWar]

+Lars Sundell We will continue having both in the future. Some people want the raw stuff.

[@laretus]

Fair enough, I can see why. I personally look for concentrated and condensed information from this channel, though I do enjoy the out-take videos you sometimes release.

[@ianbabcock6802]

YEAH! I've been waiting for this!

[@Candrsenal]

How did it go?

[@ianbabcock6802]

C&Rsenal Great! I love learning about old guns and the history behind them. I look forward to the pistol episode!

[@XLesky]

Great stuff. The arms of the Great War, and even more so WW2 show the industrial capabilities and military intent of their users. Italian arms of WW1 are rough yet functional, highlighting the limited industrialisation of Italy compared to Germany or Britain

[@ericswain70]

Best guest.Othais is top at his lore.I Look forward to these crossover episodes.Great stuff.

[@TheGreatWar]

We love him too.

[@maewinchester2030]

D'aww!

[@eobubba]

I love these collaborations. I'm already supporting both these shows on Patreon. Shouldn't you?

[@Candrsenal]

hero

[@TheRagingStorm98]

This complements the Arditi episode very well

[@TheGreatWar]

+The Raging Storm Coincidence?

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Conspiracy.

[@damnischannel]

The Great War does that mean an episode about Italian uniforms is next? 😁

[@killzoneisa]

just finishing watching Othais Austro-Hungarian Mannlicher 1886 to 1888-90 video to now watch them here.

[@Candrsenal]

hurray

[@andreavilla7373]

Great video, and you also could use it for the WWII italian equipment because we had not changed the equipment during the period between the two wars! Smart thinking Italy, truly smart.

[@curiobill]

Thanks again guys! Love these Special episodes! Especially nice to see the old Vetterli!

[@luisetb]

I love both channels and thanks for all the info that keeps filling my brain. I love all this stuff!

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks!

[@JenniferinIllinois]

Over 80 minutes of Othias today! It's been a good day. :)

[@Candrsenal]

woooo

[@spencer4rki736]

This episode was great! I will definitely be checking out and subscribing to C&Rsenal.

[@maewinchester2030]

Thanks! Happy to have you!

[@joseignaciohileradorna5122]

Am I the only one whos pissed there are no italian rifles in BF1?

[@mikeoxsmal8022]

Jose Hilera there is the cel regotti is

[@joseignaciohileradorna5122]

LordParshnipz57 I mean bolt actions that were actually used

[@officer-157-]

Jose Hilera same

[@joseignaciohileradorna5122]

1 4 Fun Gaming Whats the meme that you have on your profilr pic called?

[@wujitsu77uusi]

Jose Hilera kappa

[@aaaaoooaaaa]

Can't wait for the Italian uniforms episode

[@quantitativeease]

Thank you Othias and Mae! This was a particularly interesting and educational episode. I was glad to be enlightened about what "point blank range" really means and also found the item about the Italian light infantry to be interesting. I also liked the photograph of a Bersaglieri bicycle soldier (Bicyclaglieri?)

[@davidfiorini2565]

It Is: "Bersaglieri Ciclisti"

[@callunas]

Great explanations!

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks!

[@jsnl247]

if you think about it, the calvary carbines and short rifles seen here are precursors of the Personal defense weapin concept.

[@philiplindecker6628]

Very informative video about something that I knew absolutely nothing about.

[@panzerabwerkanone]

Great Episode Indy and Othias. Good explanation on the effectiveness of flat shooting cartridges. My favorite is a 6.5mm also but from Sweden the 6.5 X 55mm fired from the Swedish small ring Mausers.

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks

[@brianfuller5868]

Great video The 6.5mm was a serviceable cartridge and the Carcano was likewise.

[@pasqualeponterosso1956]

Fascinating, thank you for your research and presentation!

[@magnusrydberg707]

nice production on this one. Fun to watch

[@TheGreatWar]

+Indy Picard We all are getting better at this.

[@redaofps6589]

its so interesting do a series like this one but with other typr of weapons i love rifles but other type is interestibg too and your channel is realy good and interesting

[@karhua903]

Love this show!!!

[@josephthomas8318]

The intro music to this channel soothes my troubled brain. Everytime I hear it, a small amount if serotonin is released and I'm happy again if just for a few moments.

[@JakeWebb-rz1zb]

Great video love this channel

[@MrLolx2u]

YEES! Finally no laggy feed!

[@foobloo101]

Is it just me or did Indy look like he needed three more hours of sleep :)

[@Candrsenal]

always

[@TheGreatWar]

We have these live streams on Sundays usually right when he arrived from the airport.

[@troy9477]

I never realized the Vetterli was so advanced for its time, or that Italy refurbed them and used them for so long. Seems pretty shrewd. Surprised they didn't shorten the barrel by 6" or so. But hey, whatever works.

[@enricoselvini628]

In 1914 the Austro-Hungarian Empire had 53 million inhabitants and 58 cavalry regiments, The kingdom of Italy had 37 million inhabitants and 31 cavalry regiments. Maybe he knows about weapons, but I think he needs to go over military history

[@erichvonmanstein1952]

Also during one of his episodes he said Russians had a great advantage in number of machine guns by war began,it was actually Germans which had produced about 12.000 machine guns before the war which is very large compare with other major powers.

[@scott_hunts]

@@erichvonmanstein1952 the Russians had far more than even the Germans, they just deployed them according to a different doctrine that was notably less effective and meant they weren’t encountered nearly as often. Also necropost lol.

[@Robloxman441]

This video is great.

[@maewinchester2030]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@spartan92296]

"Special needs troops" had me dying Othais

[@Saberlena]

"Troops es-special -especiale I don't speak Italian." I lol'd.

[@danielhyson6079]

The carcano is also very easy to use from book depository buildings.

[@rogerd777]

Oswald used the Carcano M1938, not the M1891. Not a WWI firearm, it was a shorter version of the M1891 and chambered for a different round, spitzer-pointed 7.35×51mm

[@gortbot7748]

Oswald never fired a shot from the Texas Book Depository. J Edgar Hoover and Allen Dulles had their own trained marksmen do the job. Lee Oswald was the patsy. They had Jack Ruby take him out the next morning because Officer Tippett failed his mission to kill Oswald Friday afternoon.

[@warrenrhinerson6373]

Fun fact: the Carcano rifle was the gun of choice for Lee Harvey Oswald when he assassinated President John F Kennedy

[@lamolambda8349]

Lol you believe that?

[@baneofbanes]

lamo lambda Evidence supports it.

[@davide2890]

@ nope

[@jerrysmooth24]

@@lamolambda8349 lee harvey oswald did shoot jfk in the head with a carcano thats a fact

[@augustuswayne9676]

@@jerrysmooth24 a lot of people think Oswald was just some bum that didn't know how to shoot and was just a Patsy that got lucky . In fact he was a marine that could put 24 out of 25 shots in a man size target at 250 yards .

[@averagejoeschmoe9186]

I have a Vetterli rifle, its a Repetierstutzer Vetterli modell 1871 and its a pretty heavy and long rifle to carry around.

[@samiamrg7]

It’s interestingt that the Italians of all countries were so far ahead of the curve in terms of the use of very short carbines.

[@HerrGesetz]

Great video, Othias did really well.

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks!

[@pete3176]

Another great vid, love the collaboration between your channels + Ian at forgotten weapons. long time viewer of them all. I would like to suggest a topic for your segment "who did what in ww1" ,maybe if you have the time you could look into the story of Felix Graf von Luckner "The sea devil" commander of SMS Seeadler a commerce raider in the south Pacific, his capture, daring escape and recapture are a mostly forgotten part of the naval history of the first world war. Its a great story and a interesting one. keep up the great work.

[@TheGreatWar]

He's on our list for sure.

[@November_Charlie_Red]

Love you Othais, Love you Indy

[@Candrsenal]

u 2 bby

[@Ashfielder]

There's that Italian Pistol episode tease in the corner… Bodeo 1889, not the officer's, and Beretta 1915 I believe.

[@TheGreatWar]

+Toby Wood We will try to get that one out there this year too

[@Ashfielder]

The Great War Lovely! I find the Bodeo fascinating; an officer model and one for the regular troops, and possibly one of the more outdated sidearms of the war. It's a very interesting weapon.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

The biggest tease is the Glisenti 1910 that's with them. That not have been tested yet in C&Rsenal channel. I cannot wait to see it in action. ;)

[@JeanLucPicard85]

Vetterli looks like it was as much a spear as it was a rifle.

[@brotundrosen2059]

Jean~Luc Picard when it was invented it was a pretty decent rifle

[@neutronalchemist3241]

@Frederik Nielsen It's pretty funny that the comment was done by the attache of a country that didn't give to the Russians even an old single-shot Martini-Henry.

[@samuelbean9928]

My Carcano TS has both under slung and side slung sling mounts and it is dated 1917.

[@parafrantz]

good work dudes!

[@iac4357]

FYI !, @ 18:40 Re. Cut Down Vetterli Bayonet - #1- Google, museo delle armi terni (Museum of Arms Terni Italy) #2- Click @ top- Articoli e Pubblicazioni (Articles & Publications) #3- Click on bottom pdf book- Il '91 (The 91) Page 106 shows a drawing of a shortened Vetterli bayonet & the bayonet made from the cut off piece ! #4- Check out all of the other great C&R weapon books !

[@thestørmcrier2024]

Thanks!

[@renelopez2244]

This is a fantastic video

[@jdgomez775]

Holy cow, that Vetterli had a ridiculously long service life. Plus, I would like to meet the man who said "lets just cut the bayonet in half and make two knifes out of it" and shake his hand.

[@1jtolvey]

GREAT VIDEO !!

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks

[@bellakaldera3305]

When I was a teenager I got a Vetterli in a swap with my brother in law, it was plugged and what I really wanted was the bayonet, which he welched on. This Vetterli had the magazine and had indeed been rebarreled to 6.5mm. Indeed that was a huge rifle and heavy too! I eventually sold it to a guy I was working for to go over his fireplace.

[@fafofafin]

As the opposite of a gun enthusiast, I can say the explanation at 6:30 with the animation was great. This video is very well put together.

[@nerfensaege11]

Nice Vid!

[@joeyd1404]

good video. lots of good info!

[@OldManMontgomery]

Stated in the narative, but not specifically mentioned, all the WW1 Italian rifles used the same ammunition and charger clips. Makes the supply program easier.

[@smackarel7]

A right few Vetterli-Vitali's ended up in Ireland as an arm for the UVF and the IRB during the late 1890's and early 1900's. I've seen them in antique auctions and they were a pain to cycle and carry.

[@admiralvibe]

Hey, I'm an Italian soldier! Oh cool, what do you do? Oh, I'm a bicycle trooper. What a badass.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

At the beginning of WWI bicycle corps were starting to replace mounted infantry everywere. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_infantry Is not difficult to see why. A ciclyst can cover longer distances than a horsemen, a bicycle is thougher than a horse (and can be repaired, and doesn't need training) and a cyclist is a less easy target.

[@VersusARCH]

Defenders of the British colony of Malaya in 1941. did not find bicycle troops laughable at all...

[@materialmatters2759]

Insert Cadorna joke here

[@vasilzahariev5741]

Stefan T The most stubborn person in 20th century.

[@shotime1651]

my channel pic XD

[@ChrisMathers3501]

Ahem. "Hotzendorf." That is all.

[@voramok5366]

I'll try. Cadorna.

[@scarpels92]

chi serve sotto Cadorna di certo non ritorna. "Who served under Cadorna surely won't come back. " Sorry couldn't find a rimed translation :P

[@sparviero142]

Nice episode! just one (sad) curiosity about the caracano 91. A short version of the Carcano (the model 38 i think) was used to kill JFK in the 1963.

[@TheGreatWar]

+sparviero142 Isn't that one thing that is used for all these conspiracy theories?

[@sparviero142]

The Great War Yes like the "magic bullet".

[@johnnycash8150]

Yes, because the one allegedly used in the shooting wouldn't fire 2 rounds without jamming very regularily in testing, so the fact that it fired 3 rapidly is considered somewhat unplausible.

[@TheHandgunhero]

Johnny Cash Although there are numerous demonstrations with the Carcano and other bolt action rifles that clearly demonstrate that you can fire that fast accurately if you're good, and LHO was a Marine Marksman and only firing at 40-50 yards and the motorcade was moving at a snail's pace. Three accurate shots in 2 seconds is more than plausible on a slow moving target at 40-50 yards. So long as you have a decent, clean action and a well placed bolt handle (which the M38 Carcanos do have) then it's more than doable with practice.

[@johnnycash8150]

Aidan Templeton The reason for doubt was the one he had was in such shitty shape it jammed constantly. like every other round.

[@marcppparis]

Yay I love it when Othais and Mae swing by

[@maewinchester2030]

Hello!!

[@marcppparis]

Became a C&Rsenal patron as well as (already) Great War Patron

[@maewinchester2030]

thedudepdx Thank you! Any bit helps, seriously thank you!

[@c.g.c2067]

very interesting insights

[@krb944]

would love to see episode like this with Ian from Forgotten Weapons

[@michaelskrecek9761]

Hey guys! Love your work. I want to ask you something. Few episodes back you said that you are going to do episodes on some or all nationalities in Austro-Hungarian empire. Are you going to do one on Czechs? And if so, I would be honoured to help with the research ( I´m not historian but archaelogist, so close enough, I guess). Keep up the awesome work.

[@TheGreatWar]

+Michael Skřeček a bunch of Czechs are actually helping with an episode about Czechoslovakia. Could use some help with an episode about the Czech legions though. Drop us a message on Facebook.

[@jdewitt77]

In May of 1915 the Italian Army had 30 cavalry regiments so I don't know why the video said they didn't have much cavalry. 30 regiments is quite a bit.

[@Pan_Z]

The person shooting has an eerie smile as she does it

[@maewinchester2030]

I can tell from your statement that you do not live in the South of the US.

[@pl412]

Pan Z shooting is fun, shooting a piece of history even more so

[@logancaine9616]

Spend a day on the range with a Carcano, Mauser, Springfield, or Lee Enfield, and you'd have a smile on your face too. There's just something about bolt action surplus rifles that makes them fun.

[@sebathadah1559]

Pan Z and a nice wrack.

[@sadul]

I used to be in the army for a while. Shooting is not fun. Shooting is all about killing. Killing is not fun. Not fun at all, but has to be done if the situation goes that way when defending your country. Nobody smiled when we we´re shooting...

[@davidfiorini2565]

Grazie per aver mostrato alcune armi del mio paese. Ma... le pistole? Le mitragliatrici? Dove sono? Thank you for showing same weapons from my country. But... the pistols? The machine guns? Where are them?

[@democracyisajewshill3341]

Literally watch the first minute of the video he talks about that

[@iac4357]

Serious FYI ! If you plan on shooting a Carcano, the proper Sight Alignment is to put the Front Sight tip into the BOTTOM of the rear Sight V, otherwise you'll be shooting too high !

[@victoreagle9927]

thank you! ! grazieee

[@RandyLeftHandy]

I saw one of the Vetterli Vitali rifles on the wall of a local Mexican restaurant around here. Struck me as odd. It was the smaller bore with the mannlicher style magazine just like yours.

[@full-timepog6844]

I love the info but....I'd like the name of the gun"rack" shown at different times in the video

[@wulfie1199]

another great video!! I can't wait till yous look at the British guns.

[@maewinchester2030]

We're doing our best to get all those ducks in a row!

[@elanmartin2495]

I have a Carcano TS from 1918, but it has the side style sling. Is it possible that it could’ve seen service in World War 1?

[@jstrahan2]

What about the 6.5×52mm Carcano Model 91/38? Wasn't that available for WWI?

[@zeldalinkring1923]

5:10 Indy look like he's about to cry :-(

[@thespiritof76..]

@21.30 that baby carbine is the actual gun LHO ordered from the magazine, not the full size Carcono found in the Texas school book depository! Now that rifle WOULD FIT in the mysterious package he brought to work that he said were "curtain rods"... no curtain rods were ever found...

[@jakayawilson2833]

Whoever the woman is that shoots in every video always has a nice smile when she's shooting. I know the feeling!

[@fardiemann]

Anyone noticed the intense stare at the camera at 4:30 by the soldier crouching?

[@lstevens2834]

Are those Vetterli conversions safe to shoot? I have read that they were supposed to only be used for an emergency. Was Mae using full power rounds?

[@that1guyonpoint213]

but they didn't talk about the cei-rigotti self loading rifle that Italy had designed. maybe it just was never fielded though and that's why they never talked about it

[@JassNL]

Awesome Video! The lady shooting the Carcano rifles has an interesting grip when firing them. (Thumb next to bolt). I haven't shot one of these so I have no idea if this is normal.

[@UnintentionalSubmarine]

I hadn't noticed that before, but went back and looked at some other videos. It appears it is just her style. Presumably her thumb is simply too short and her hand too small to comfortably grip around the stock. In fact she mentions something to that effect in one of their videos (might be the one about the T-Gewehr).

[@Luckyheraclius89]

I hope they come out with a verdin game but for the Italian front because we got western and eastern front now

[@limegrd]

Bruh

[@Immafraid]

How do you like Isonzo?

[@TommyDisgregato]

Not sure if someone else pointed it out already, but the Carcano is the rifle used to shoot JFK.

[@knightmarex13]

yes and no, it was a Carcano but it was a later model introduced in the 1930's

[@TommyDisgregato]

I thought it was the model 91, which I believed was this one, but I know nothing about rifles so...

[@TommyDisgregato]

I thought it was the model 91, which I believed was this one, but I know nothing about rifles so...

[@knightmarex13]

91/38 I believe which is shorter length version first produced in 1938

[@alexross1816]

Othias: "It's main claim to fame is..." Me: "Please don't say the Kennedy Assassination. Please don't say the Kennedy Assassination."

[@Rayan-bj8wn]

Make a special about the lost battalion

[@kamuelacastellano1655]

RyanIsWatching in 2 years he will

[@mr.nobody5287]

@@kamuelacastellano1655 didn’t age well

[@andreamarcelli4672]

12:35 We noticed, but it does not diminish the quality of your information!

[@YourTypicalMental]

All these specials need more Flo and Ernie Mug.

[@MarvinCZ]

YourTypicalMental There is plenty of Flo in the live broadcasts.

[@dandhan87]

Vetterli rifle looks beautiful

[@Rickinsf]

Is the lever sticking out of the rear sight (11:51) for adjustment? Looks like it's ready to snag on something.

[@crow69er]

interesting piece good job

[@TwentythreePER]

Is there an Italian pistol collaboration video?