ITS MUCH BIGGER THAN SUN WUKONG| WATCHER OF REALMS|

[@romangysse3690]

Rates aren't the real problem, buckets are. It's obvious that new players accounts are boosted. So are KZbinrs accounts (never saw a KZbinr doing the bad pulls players get). But accounts that aren't boosted are put in buckets. I don't know if they're random or depend on money/time spent/region but it's obvious we don't all get the same odds. I see videos or read comments of people getting multiple legendaries over 200/300 pulls (like you Kory), you know what I get over 300 pulls ? Nothing else than the obligatory 200 pulls legendary. I can spend weeks pulling for ancients without a single one. You got both Praetus and Ingrid... I pulled for both. Put 60 ancient summons on Praetus without a single drop. Put 40 on Ingrid/Ardea for squat. The last ancient I pulled for and got was Aracha a month ago. My best guess is that this is not random at all, it's a marketing strategy where low spending players (like me) are given sh*tty odds to try and push us to spend more, whales probably get an adjusted rate depending on the money they spend (spend enough, get the high bucket, don't spend much get the low bucket). F2P players probably end up on one or the other based on time spent, country of origin, etc. It's a marketing tool and it's not the first game I see using a revenue generation system like that.

[@jackiedan2450]

They gave us all Prateus and Ingrid at basically no risk knowing full well they were changing up the pvp arena format this year. What you're saying basically matches my experience. I pulled Wukong on my first 10 pull at 0 pity. Idk how many times I pulled, but I got 4 more non-banner legendaries. I figured just RNG, but then I watched about 5k summons pulled on youtube with all similiar results. There's definitely an algorithm at play in the summons with likely many factors being measured in the background. There's a company in China, Nexon that owns most the patents on the dynamic rates for these gacha games. Basically this is what has been disclosed. 1.) User activity decreases rates. 2.) Increase rates for low activity. 3.) Rates change based on location 4.) If gacha numbers exceed or hit a set limit, decrease rates. 5.) Change rates based on number of friends on buddy list or buddy list stats 6.) Change rates of certain rarity items 7.) Change rates based on player's current items It doesn't say it but im fully convinced the rates change based on player's spending habits as well.

[@benitogonzalez3395]

Thank you for sharing this, most players need to be informed of this "RNG" concept being fraudulent, I'm 100% F2P. When I haven't logged into the game in a few months, I come back and get a legendary pull in as little as 30 summons, with a fresh pity. This seems to work in other Gacha Games as well.

[@bogdanignatescu7465]

I have to share my experience: went into Praetus banner with 181 pity an 450 ancients. Pulled Laya in the first ten-pull, then went to pity again without absolutely no Legendary hero only to pull Laya again 😮 Then got Morrigan, Aracha and finally with 60 into pity got Praetus. Also managed to get only 2 legendaries Uredin new and Claw A2. So 450 ancients summons, starting at pity got me 5 lords with only one Praetus and 2 legendaries. No more spending ever... Everything done in-game, 250k Apoc2.

[@ascott42088]

I really don't think this is the case. I get they've had some slip ups. Like any game, there are glitches and exploits. But as someone with notoriously bad luck on every 15x, I got A5 wukong in under 300 summons (only 1 stone) and I pulled 2 Praetus back to back on the last Valderon banner. It's all luck. Most of us have it bad. Some (like one of my guild mates) pull 4 leggos in a single 10 pull

[@Premi3R000]

It was Christmas and new years rates. Back to the norm with the Ingrid banner

[@SoldierBoy13]

Tons of people didnt get Praetus. 🙄

[@UndergroundCreeps]

What i saw people who got lucky with wukong are unlucky with ancient vise versa

[@romangysse3690]

@@UndergroundCreeps Wrong. I was unlucky in both. As I usually am. I can pull every week-end, and get nothing else than the 180/200 obligatory legendary. Which is a shitty one most of the time. Last one ? A dupe of Shamir...

[@UndergroundCreeps]

@@romangysse3690 i know me too have 0 luck i always have to hit pity for legendary but everyone i watch who was Lucky on wukong summon was unlucky on ancient

[@ashavalanore6173]

120k diamond + 2k+ summonning crystal for a5 wukong

[@romanicus1]

Im ftp from now on ive had enough.

[@rickcook-q7z]

I think people forget how rng works. There have been banners where i pulled several legendaries none of them the featured ones. In this one out of a little more than 400 pulls i came away with 4 copies of wu kong. obviously it is going to look bad in the comments because the players most likley to post are the ones who didnt get what they want. life's hard, that doesnt mean it's rigged. theoretically other than the 200 deal you could pull a million times and not get the one you want even in a rate up or, you could get two wu kongs in the same ten pull as i did. if everyone got the best heroes everytime they pulled, it would be meaningless.

[@railrundagr8303]

Oh BROTHERRR. It's always the ones who got what they want that wanna explain how gachas work to the people speaking facts. No one's upset because they "didn't get what they want", that's a lazy and unintelligent explanation. The statement is that the odds of receiving the hero on the rate up is abysmal and the pool is diluted, requiring players to spend and EVEN THEN not receiving the unit after 1000s of pulls 😂 its not like people are going in the 200 pulls and expecting a5 units. They're just asking FOR ONE COPY after THOUSANDS OF PULLS and can't achieve that. There's a point when it's not actually luck or badluck, It's a NUMBER they test and use to average out how many pulls it would require to recieve a copy, and that number translates to thousands of pulls and you still may not get it??? Yet the bundles in the shop are 20$ plus for 20 pulls? You do the math 😂😂😂 it's a formula, and the FUNCTION of the formula is what the majority of players are experiencing. But congratz to you 👏🏾

[@UndergroundCreeps]

😂​@@railrundagr8303

[@benitogonzalez3395]

😂😂😂 Well said! ​@@railrundagr8303

[@judeyy2x]

@@railrundagr8303 No point explaining to these guys, they live to lick the billion dollar corporation’s boot.

[@NickiDecuyper-ex6yb]

Evryone in my guild got preatus😂😂

[@NickiDecuyper-ex6yb]

Btw I'm sure they changed the rates for laurel... 330 days and still no laurel... my first account I pulled multiple at the start

[@ryanwilliams165]

Release the RATES!

[@johndunn8716]

1030 only A0 and I got him at 60 pulls

[@devijones100]

i pullend 800 and got him a5... was i lucky sure, but still the 15x worked on me... so yes it definitly exist. i also got 3 setram and one aeris on 20 divinine summons... so yet again 15x worked. i also got lyra and my wanted hero on 15x banner... ruffly 300 pulls and got both. So YES 15x does definitly excist and work, just some people are more lucky than other, but i defenitly always get the banner hero. i also got ingrind and ardea... sure i swiped but doesnt makes 15x any less worthy.

[@Lady.Kaylow]

I did 1455 pull exactly i got wukong A0 i got 3 seraphine on x15 wukong this game work with lucky account seem you got one for sure last limited banner was kigiri i did over 1600 pull got him A1 so x15 are a lie and i got one of the worst account in the game and last night when i got crach on my last lengendary i made a resolution to never put one dollars in the game anymore

[@Abus3dGoat]

Had to take it all the way to 200 to get him and got a 1 other one the way to Wukong

[@Thugzilla90]

They were selling rates for Wukong's banner. I personally feel like they were selling Ingrid though. So many pulled her, including myself. I even bought the Arbiter pack and out she came?

[@romangysse3690]

The arbiter pack... I have two of them. Only two. Bough it because all my Ingrid pulls were sh*it. With only two in my roster and a chance to get Praetus or Ingrid, it sounded like a good deal. I got a f*cking dupe of Jeera... Another way for Moonton to tell me "f$ck you dude !".

[@Thugzilla90]

@romangysse3690 I mean, if it's any consolidation bro I don't have Jeera. I wouldn't mind getting her, she looks like she smacks.

[@PyramidHACK]

They lowkey fucked with the rates before the Ingrid banner. I had 145 ancients, was 115 into pity, and I pulled Ardea after 20 pulls, hit pity with a0 Laya, and that was it. I was really expecting a lot more, based on what I had seen during the Praetus banner. Hands down.

[@korywor]

@@PyramidHACK I agree, not many people got Ingrid, I also anticipated that they would do this because people would be summon crazy from all the artificial “luck” of the Praetus banner

[@PyramidHACK]

@@korywor Problem is that they'll only react when the community bands together, or when they get caught red handed and get called for it.

[@Beltreality]

To be honest so many people got Ingrid in my guild. I didn’t get her but at least 12 were pulled in my guild. Wukon tho was very rare to get.

[@hi.kyle23]

Yeah for Inggrid I got her in 2 of my account, with only under 100ancient on my old acc, and under 50 on my 2nd acc. WUKONG tho is super ultra rare not only me and also people that plays in forerunner server.

[@devijones100]

in the global chat it literally rained ingrids and pope too so dunno what you are on xD