State of CARD SHOWS: What Went Right & Wrong for the Burbank Card Show

Geoff talks about the state of card shows with Rob Veres.
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[@jamesmorante8427]

You mean flipping $5k Desmond Ridder and Brock Purdy cards won’t sustain the hobby? Thanks Rob for being a voice of logic!!!!!

[@evanfraser64]

I love it when Rob puts Geoff in his place. He does it every time!

[@daniellarsen889]

Rob loves Geoff. He sold nearly 50,000 Will Grier and Lonzo Ball rc's because of his advice. 😊

[@jamesnguyen7069]

damn he went there @@daniellarsen889

[@edwardcaudill64]

How did he put him in his place? Did I miss something?

[@daniellarsen889]

@edwardcaudill64 He always tells Geoff it's a hobby and Geoff thinks it's investment driven. Also mentioned all the poor advice that was given and many were lost in the hobby because they got burned.

[@bigche5280]

Rob is a legend! Love every word he said 💯

[@true_rcs]

Finally, a voice from the wilderness! A true statesman of the hobby. Pastor Rob Veres preaching from the mountaintops. Great episode gentlemen.

[@GoldenSlumber474]

Good interview-the Cardfather speaks a lot of sense & truths. I’ve bought 300-400 cards from Burbank for great value & no complaints 👍

[@MrHarco77]

They have it all. And he's right about when it's free shipping you don't mind buying extra cards

[@the_chandler]

"It's a damn hobby." I'm honestly so fortunate to have Burbank as my local card shop.

[@MichaelIp]

Great interview. Rob is a treasure to the hobby

[@jamesnguyen7069]

indeed. unlike cardporn

[@joelkaplan2157]

The cardfather is absolute icon legend in this hobby!!!

[@NikkisCards]

Rob is amazing!! It’s a hobby 1st and a business 2nd. Rob is right if we lose sight of it being a hobby 1st we will not have an industry after a while

[@TA-mu4jt]

Rob is class! Always sociable and welcoming at his shop!✨✨

[@MrHarco77]

Rob is right on this.i was in the hobby pre internet and it felt fun. That's where it needs to go

[@sarahandbrettSCAM]

Absolutely. I dont go on social media anymore for card stuff that is the best move I've made in awhile i encourage others to do the same. Preinternet days were great

[@thoel_905]

For every 2/4 negative people with bad experiances with these two...theres 100 that appriciate the verry hard work they put in to keep the hobby going and give us a great experiance. Thanks guys.

[@davidyadegarians6963]

Great interview Geoff. It’s nice to see that you did not promote whatnot the platform full of scams

[@daniellarsen889]

Yeah, I think he needs to start vetting his sponsors a little better. Take some advice from Rob. Its your face on your business. Reputation is more important than money.

[@revimayuyushobbyvlogs5636]

rob’s director for logistics is jay and he is a filipino. filipinos are huge cards collectors in the US and everywhere else… ❤ he also mentioned ej. he is also filipino. proud of friends, jay and ej…

[@junichihayashi5202]

You could argue that the Burbank card show over the last couple years, could be considered THE National Sports CARD Collectors Convention. If they continue to grow at this rate, I can see this becoming the premier card collector show in the country (if they're not already). The National could be billed as The National East, and Burbank as The National West. Rob has done an incredible job with the show and I think it's fair to say that his show could be considered this. I go to shows and find myself buried in front of dollar bins for hours. Like Rob says, it is totally 💯 a hobby. Folks like Rob are all around the country and I'm grateful for that....this is how I returned back into the hobby after 20+ years.

[@hebner44]

Kudos to you, Geoff, for giving Rob V a platform for his vision. I'm confident he executed it successfully at this bash; I attended Thursday night and Friday and it was spacious, very well-lit, and the a/c plentiful! Very much worth the drive from northern cal and very pleased to have such a large-scale show on the west coast. This hobby has something for everyone; I completely agree with Rob that the flippers and slab suitcase bois should not be the face of this hobby because that model is unsustainable long-term and they will be on to the next shiny new thing (crypto, nfts, comix, whatever) and guys like me will still enjoy finding 5.00 cards in the 1.00 boxes.

[@aaronolsen8474]

Rob is doing and has done a great job! Keeping the hobby of card collecting and families excited to collecting! I’m excited to see card shows back in southern CA! My wife and I went to the Ontario and this past weekend Anaheim show and they were great shows! Had a lot of fun! And we are looking forward to going to the Ontario and Anaheim shows next year! Keep up the great work Rob!

[@CKSylvest81]

This is so great to hear and see! Totally agree with where he's coming from, the "hobby" aspect gets lost amidst all the flippers and breakers. Love his outlook and Burbank is a great place to shop for cards online, hope to visit there soon!

[@SamHawk1985]

Don't do Labor Day weekend -- hotels and flights are too expensive.

[@hortanokilli7608]

It is awesome that they are bringing a National size show back to California. People will make the drive down from Northern California, but how about having two per year, one in Northern California and one in Southern California? Nor Cal people are dying for big shows to come back!

[@REBroker1966]

I set up at this Burbank show. Table was 600, hotel was over 700. Food was also super expensive, I guess because of Disneyland. I operated at a loss for this show. Not only that, Hilton had strikers making super load noise each morning. So I slept like 3 hours a night. The strikers started at 5:45 am on Friday, 6:00 am on Saturday and 2:45 am on Sunday!!! Nobody disclosed the strikers. Trying to get a refund from the Marriott for not disclosing. I did have tons of fun at the show for sure. Just needed to make more money…

[@mikeschmid5133]

Hotel sounds normal, maybe they could have a cut rate for people who do buy a table but that would have to be paid by the show owner... again food is expensive everywhere at every event... and $600 for a table for 3 days seems very reasonable.... maybe ask yourself if you were selling the right type of cards and at the right price points.... it's very competitive I think many popular cards at shows like this need to drop to sell... or be willing to make deals... and reputation means a lot

[@simepoh]

Agreed. Too big/expensive and not enough people for dealers. Anehiem is a tough market. Hard to imagine they will be coming back there. Ontario is a better venue with more affordable lodging/accessibility. We gotta remember the majority of these 'dealers' are more flea market dealers and the cost of show means a lot. Higher overhead means the BUYERS are less likely to get the killer deals. Trickling down to the people not buying. Kudos to Burbank for leading the charge tho. It's just a tough market in OC. Like Vegas too many other things to do and everything seems overpriced including the cards.. collectors know the better deals are in the Midwest for like 70 percent or less of what you find on the east west coast shows.

[@brushben22]

I got to meet Geoff and speak with him for a short time. What a gracious dude, you Rick Geoff and keep it up

[@Riddick_Group_Collections]

Rob is absolutely correct! We want to put our hands on the cards! We love the hunt of chasing down cards to add to the collection!

[@winbig23]

Great interview and Card father Rob’s responses were wonderful and definitely what our hobby needs to continue to grow much bigger! Geoff these sit down interviews with hobby titans are much needed and truly loved! So, please continue to do them, and hopefully you can get some sit down interviews with upper management executives from PSA, BGS, SGC, and big auction houses like Heritage, Lelands, SCP, Memory Lane, Goldin, PWCC, etc.

[@elee712]

The current hobby was reignited by the people who collected in the 80s and 90s reliving their childhood, largely due to covid but rob is right...The future of the hobby is in the hands of the kids and cardfather is facilitating that better than anybody.

[@rosarobles5263]

Best location for a card show in so cal is the convention center in dtla ❤❤❤

[@topps85401]

I’ve been collecting since 1983, sure I buy $1,000 plus cards from time to time but the $1 cards are still the backbone of my hobby. I stopped opening packs around 2007, singles only for me. 1987 Mark Grace Topps, come on Jeff😂 I am really glad you did this interview, I agree with Rob on how to build the hobby. It’s great to see all the kids!

[@CraigBrosRacing]

I thought I was the only one who remembered that this was a FUN HOBBY AND NOT A JOB!!!!!MOST PEOPLE IN THE HOBBY NOW DON'T EVEN HAVE A FAVORITE PLAYER OR TEAM!!!THEY JIST USE CARDS LIKE THERE STOCKS OR CRYPTO!!!JUST ANOTHER ASSET TO TRY AND MAKE A FORTUNE ON!!!

[@Cardcitysports]

Yea the shift happened heavily in 2018 and now will never be the same again. Its flip and rip now and forever. Collecting days of old are dead unfortunately.

[@CraigBrosRacing]

@@Cardcitysports oh no sir there's way more of us not on the Internet than there is of them....just look behind them...all newbies, families...we just have to stop PLAYING THEIR GAME AND LEAVE THAT TO THEM... EVENTUALLY THE MONEY ALWAYS RUNS OUT..and gamblers are a small community....with people like this man leading the way it's just a matter of time!!!I have MILLIONS of dollars worth of cards and I stopped grading a few yrs ago...gotta start somewhere..I could be greedy and cash out and never work my 9 to 5 again but this is just a hobby for funfor me....Im a proud working man not looking to get rich quick or win a lottery by hitting a 1 of 1....we forgot what AMERICA 🇺🇲 was founded on...hard work and family...not get the most by doing the least....have faith sir its coming back...

[@BostonSportsFan33]

I think the whole rip to flip is going to fade out soon. The whole breaker thing is kool if you are a fan. I haven’t been since it started , I would rather invest that $120+ spot money into a PSA 9,10 of a nice P.C player all day. People need to sit back not just throw thousands out to try and hit a huge player it’s basically a lottery ticket at that time. Do your research, take your time, and “most importantly” have fun collecting.✌🏻

[@rage508cardsngrails]

Ditto

[@Cardcitysports]

@@BostonSportsFan33 I hate the breaking scene and think its dumb honestly. Never bought into one and i never will. Iv been collecting cards for 23 years since pokemon launched and I dabbled in magic along with some misc sports as a kid. Im age 34 now and got in as a 10 year old end of junk wax era , my best moments are ripping full boxes knowing im gunna for sure get some sort of decent hit . Times have now changed and the hobby is printed to the moon with it being more like a flashy casino now which is making this whole breaking thing popular . Its just gambling and a dopamine hit for people. Id rather the product have stayed cheaper and breaking be banned . I still buy some product but definitely have got more into selling and buying singles because its so damn expensive to rip boxes . The card hobby is stuck between being a casino and a stock market at the moment , with collecting getting fazed out.

[@bryanhudson7895]

Absolutely incredible perspective from Rob. Taking my son over to BBC this weekend.

[@ryanbauer8317]

I have a new favorite person in the hobby. I'm one of the people that got back in 2020 when my parents made me take my cards back from them. My Cal Ripken collection is mostly $1 cards, same with my chipper and Rickey.

[@CardAlchemy]

Great stuff, Rob. The hobby can absolutely use another mega show. Wish you’d host one on the east coast 😉 too.

[@EdwinLap]

This was a great show, very well organized, especially with the two floors.

[@ericlindenmuth7517]

I went on Saturday and it was crazy!! I never even went downstairs. Issue was the parking. They were also having an Animation event at the same location, so I had to find a different location to park at.

[@coreymaurais6946]

Come to Phoenix at some point please.

[@deep3reviews]

goated, i had a great experience tabling at the event even though it was profitable on my end. It was fun.

[@keithmcfarland8948]

Great video and awesome to see the industry growing! Wish I could get out to Southern California but I am over in West Virginia. The national was my first card show and I definitely do not want to see it leave this side of the country or we will be left to join the ranks of those who never get to attend a show :-)

[@jamesd126]

How many times must we hear this guy talk about how great he is ? Every few months there’s gotta be a new proclamation of the same old stuff. It’s all about the vibes.

[@Hectekk]

The show was great. Modern facility, wide aisles, nice and cold. And all dealers👍

[@user-ex8ej9cl3g]

Kudos to Burbank for getting this show scheduled. This is the early phase of having a consistent large show in SoCal. Some changes will need to be made of course and this is a work in progress. Hopefully, a large wax dealer can be at the Ontario show for early 2024.

[@matthewcook2097]

loved that guy you interviewed

[@Freakmeal]

Geoff, oh all the people that you have talked to, Rob Veres is the smartest person in the industry.

[@rymartinez]

Enjoyed this conversation.

[@Randizzl3]

I replaced Will Grier with Geoff Wilson in my Fantasy League

[@blezpoker]

Rob is always right yet again! Couldn’t agree more with almost everything he said

[@greyhound2208]

This was awesome! Felt like I was there with you guys! Great job and thanks for sharing!

[@ryanra44]

Good stuff. Definitely a fan of Burbank

[@davidosterberg9306]

Great interview!

[@curelessjr]

We need a show like this in the PNW.

[@jamesmorante8427]

I’ve never been so proud of Rob!!

[@dljtwo]

Protect this man at all costs. I got back into the hobby two months ago after being away from it since '92. It's saddening and embarrassing what this hobby has turned into since then. I continue to say that degenerate gamblers who couldn't access casinos during covid found their way into this hobby as an alternative and never left. They've turned something so innocent into a model of the gambling industry. If the hobby doesn't get Breaking under control, the Feds will end up doing it for them through regulation. If that happens, the hobby will change drastically.... and permanently.

[@TheCardBoss]

Nice interview. Question - for someone from overseas, what did Rob meant about the union / nickle & dimes issue?

[@Showcardsusa]

Unions here at places like large hotels, convention centers etc have established rules such as: only union members can bring the booth setup stuff that each dealer needs to the showroom floor. In other words, the union charges to bring your stuff to your booth, and it’s not going to your booth unless you pay them. This guarantees that union members get the work, and you can’t source it elsewhere. Rob, it appears, did not want his dealers and other vendors to feel that feeling of being hit up to do things that cost more money, so he paid the union a lump sum to not nickel and dime each vendor, rather, just do the job and not mention anything to the vendor

[@TheCardBoss]

@@Showcardsusa Gotcha! Thanks for the explanation!

[@RWorfel1]

Geoff’s feelin good, feelin better, ‘cause he never says never….

[@Rgnotown]

Gotta have the dollar boxes. Keep the hobby alive!

[@MazdaRx7Fd24]

I had to pay $80 in parking for the 4 days. Show was really slow. Not worth the cost of the table

[@sarahandbrettSCAM]

He hit the nail on the head with the problems in the hobby. The breaking is a gambling mess. And social media and the grading push has made a mess of things. I logged off social media it was too toxic and too much drama. The hobby shouldn't be about that. If you want to have a lot of fun collecting cards stay off social media. And yes if you want to grow the hobby, the high prices will scare the newbies away quickly I don't blame them. Most of these expensive cards are probably only going to go down a lot overtime anyway.

[@djbrennan3801]

come to BOSTON

[@robglobal1]

Been in this field for over 30 yrs and Burbank is prob the worste I've dealt with they're consistently horrible and I won't buy online from them anymore and would never travel for anything Burbank related but would be interested in going to a show if they're ever in Florida I would give that a look I think it would be a better experience...hopefully

[@cacsports]

The Cardfather is the best

[@MarioLuigi-vb3rp]

I live in California I Met rob he tried to rip me off. But I forgive and I like what he’s saying here. But don’t get it twisted he’s shrewd and won’t hesitate to pay you 10 percent of the value of your collection.

[@ilocosrugnao1910]

The Card Father keepin it real

[@sonnydacuse7622]

Rob gets too much credit for the Burbank card show. The other two dudes should be credited as well. Rob has no idea how to run a show without the two.

[@TrustbutVerify35]

Middle of nowhere in Allen? Lot happening in Allen

[@terabyter9000]

I literally only love and collect base cards. No interest in gambling and losing money on boxes and cases. I appreciate and respect each and every card I get in a pack. Most breakers blow through them and consider them shit and are unhappy if they don't get a 1 of 1. Not healthy for the hobby.

[@AbelinVegas]

It was awkward having to do two floors. Really like what the guys have done with the Burbank show, and maybe they can move to the main building to have everything on one floor.

[@karmy2005]

I think the real reason why the National doesn't come out to the west coast is because 80% of the US population is in the eastern half.

[@intersheett3754]

Rob and Burbank is amazing. And Geoff remains one of the remaining toxic elements of what collectors had to suffer through in the last 3 years. I cannot fathom how many gullible people you have pushed to lose their life savings. I cannot wait for the day that you are finally out of this hobby.

[@Freethecommons]

Geoff should have taken offense.

[@tubenachos]

This "hobby" is more expensive than golf and mountain biking. That's sad man

[@user-qq8mp4wj7j]

GEOFF WILSON IS THE WORST THING TO HAPPEN TO THIS HOBBY EVER!!!

[@soccercards]

Show looks pretty dead at “peak hours”…this is why Philadelphia and Chantilly are the best shows outside of the national

[@BabyDoIIx]

You literally delete (my) comments that aren’t glowing? Didn’t say anything vulgar or rude, just shared an experience I had. That’s crazy. Unsubscribed.

[@austinbrown3273]

Love you both but the cost doesn’t make sense for dealers. Without dealers there is no show. Rob’s bias is disconcerting. Sure it’s a hobby but you’re (burbank) one of the biggest businesses in the hobby. The hobby can’t function without business. And lastly, the hobby wouldn’t be what it is without breaking. You can deny it all you want. Breaking revolutionized the hobby. Refusing to acknowledge it won’t help your business. Your sentiment towards breaking won’t help the hobby. Especially, coming from someone of your status.

[@mcarp2271]

Rob gets it and will be around long after these”investors” have moved on to the next fad. I have zero interest in who’s flipping $20,000 shiny phony 1/1 cards. It’s always been built on the collectors and will always be. Investors are not the hobby.

[@josephsciascia217]

First

[@rodtwichi1290]

Also the most idiotic

[@davidlane5434]

Wah, wah, wah! The national has not been i SoCal because the place is an overpriced dump. Aside from everything there being overpriced, who would take their family there? It's not safe. I am ten minutes into this episode and I am done.

[@walterbison]

Your Ebay prices suck, Rob.