Lebron James Fan REACTS to Jordan vs Lebron The Best GOAT Comparison

[@ItzJustJP]

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[@tazzz1783]

Im from Eastern Europe and just want to say one thing, NBA where N stands for National, means that this is USA National championship, BEFORE Jordan enter NBA no one I know here was watching games from NBA, cause it was half a world away league...MJ enter NBA - every one of my friends around 1993 till 1998 had jersey of MJ AND because we started to follow what happens in NBA we learned about Magic and Bird, before MJ we had no clue what hapens in NBA - IT was just your national league, that was MJ's impact on the game. He made a national league the most followed and famous league in the world in time when internet wasent a thing, now tell me about who is the goat...

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!

[@kevinlakeman5043]

That was going to happen even if Jordan never played a single game in the NBA, Tazzz. The league was generating too much money to not show it outside the U.S. Jordan isn't the only great player, and he certainly wasn't the reason whole league is so popular. Europeans love basketball, so inevitably they'd get to see NBA games. Get a clue.

[@nazztynatenugglife5891]

@@kevinlakeman5043 Do people forget the 1992 Olympics. The Greatest Basketball team ever assembled. That's why the NBA went global, the World got to see the best. Not a bunch of College kids playing grown Men. I find that many young fans have no clue about the NBA before Jordan, maybe a little of Magic/Bird.

[@brettjohnstone696]

@@kevinlakeman5043 I think you missed the point. Apart from Jordan making the NBA even more popular outside of America,like a rock star, he got non-basketball fans excited about basketball. Yes basketball would probably have become as popular in other countries, but Jordan accelerated it's popularity.

[@rankarat]

@@nazztynatenugglife5891 u are totally wrong and a clueless kid. No one watch baseball or football in europe, why is that? those leagues not generating enough money? bet they are, they just didnt have any one close to MJ. you are clueless.

[@parkermudsen1063]

LeBron gave it a good run. He fell way short of MJ. It was never a real comparison.

[@K-S818]

Bro with time everyone will stsrt seeing the big gap. Rn they just think lebron has a lot of more years but when time flys by it wont even be a debate to even bronsexuals

[@murdocklopez4599]

It was over once he joined forces with 2 other superstars.

[@murdocklopez4599]

It's crazy cause no one is getting on line for lbj sneakers.

[@Chris-from-AZ]

Jordan did more in a short period of time then lbj

[@parkermudsen1063]

@@Chris-from-AZ true. LeBron is still chasing Jordan, and he knows it. He’s hoping that he can stat pad his way to consensus goat status. That’ll never happen, though. Deep in his heart, lebron knows that too.

[@packman5906]

No load management. No nights off. No crying. No flopping. No leaving for a super team. No giving up mid game. A threat to win every night no matter what. A gift to watch.

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts

[@VGEJackler]

I just throw in my 2 cents here. Before seeing this video I knew Jordan was a GOAT, because I saw him play and I have seen Lebron, whole career. So no brainer. BUT there was this one thing - when Jordan was in the league, he was the best. There was no discussions. Best in his position, best in the league. With LeBron, there are better players at his own position AT THE SAME TIME as he is playing plus he is not the one and only answer to "who is the best in the league right now". You cannot be best of all the time if you cannot even win at your own time...just how it is.

[@kevyngreen5038]

So true

[@RBF7499]

I've said that too!

[@JSdeen87]

This is an underrated comment real talk

[@fitzroymarcano4565]

U cant say that or u'll b labelled as a LBJ hater...

[@midnytemassacre]

@@fitzroymarcano4565 Well, I do hate 'em. He's annoyingly arrogant.

[@ToddLeeTV]

I have seen both play in their primes. Both are great so no disrespect when I say this. JORDAN is better than LeBron and its not close.

[@garyskvorak4600]

you can find dozens of videos where lebron doesnt even bother to run back on defense you cant find one where MJ isnt giving 100% every second hes on the floor

[@Grey_Beard72]

Jordan didn't go around saying he was the best of all time. He wins in character as well.

[@scottiesavedmjscareer1085]

You sure about that?

[@tiredoffools8929]

@@scottiesavedmjscareer1085 Scottie was a career 16 ppg player, who started off the bench his rookie year. Please. Do your research.

[@scottiesavedmjscareer1085]

@@tiredoffools8929 oh get over yourself. I've done plenty of research. Top 50 player of all time and saved MJs ass, bird had his number.

[@jca4343]

@@scottiesavedmjscareer1085 bird hd his number? You mean bird and 3-4 other hall of famers against just Jordan and a bunch of drug addicts.

[@scottiesavedmjscareer1085]

@@jca4343 give it up man. Scottie saved mjs career. Get over it.

[@jayday545]

There is no comparison. Not only does Jordan lead in every major statistical category, but he also played during an era that was more physical and harder to score.

[@jacobstrouble6631]

How can you tout Lebron going to 10 Finals without mentioning the fact he lost 6 of them?

[@perfect1035]

😂😂🤣Right

[@jeffspain3613]

Not just that, but we're talking about teams Lebron hand picked to do so.

[@trwatson129]

Jordan evoked excitement and chest pumping thrills similar to Dr. J , Kareem, Magic and Bird. Lebron does not bring that I wonder what hes going to do next thrill.That kind of artistry is what makes basketball so exciting.

[@earlsimpson3393]

Bingo

[@Scaley_Reptile]

Winning doesn't matter in the age of participation trophies.

[@onenine73_]

MJ is the most complete player top to bottom in NBA history - never rested on defense, scoring champion and defensive player of the year in the same season, his numbers in his rookie year were 28.2 ppg, 6.5 trb, 5.9 ast, 2.4 stl off 51.5% shooting averaging 38.3 mins a game, played all 82 games 9 times including as a 39/40 yr old and did things on the court that even today's superstars can't match and still holds the average ppg record in an era where you took a literal beating going anywhere near the hoop. Put him into today's league with the soft rules, no hand checking and the advances in training, nutrition, travelling and sports science and he would run absolute riot over everyone at will and there wouldn't be a thing anyone could do about it. He is the GOAT, the whole GOAT and nothing but the GOAT...case (if there even was one to consider) closed.

[@coleharmon4422]

Yeah I watched the video

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

onenine73- let's not forget prime all stars colluding for easy rings.

[@TekniCaliSpeakin]

Kobe is my personal GOAT, and he single handedly elevated the skill level of the whole NBA by showing the Olympic team what true work ethic was in Beijing. And I can even admit that the reason I like Kobe over Jordan is because he knew he would never surpass him, but he played every game like he was one game away. He obviously never passed Jordan but he got impossibly close too. The fact that the arguably#2 GOAT candidate got there by literally emulating Jordan shows that he's the true GOAT. LeBron vs Kobe is a more realistic conversation, and LeBron would lose there too IMO

[@aaronjeruta3073]

agree. and take away his cigar smoking and golf playing...he'd be in a much better shape😅 just imagine.

[@freakboy40]

I am more of a Kobe fan but I would take LeBron in this debate and before anyone ask, I come from the Jordan era. I am 60 Years old.

[@jess2322]

If Lebron tried to play at the same intensity level as MJ, he more than likely wouldn't of had the energy to score at the offensive end. MJ is a true GOAT

[@detroitcity27]

Dame my guy,well said.done

[@robertkemp6044]

Jordan wasn’t afraid of anyone. LeBron ran from Kobe in the Allstar game. LeBron doesn’t have killer instinct nor 4th quarter killer instinct.

[@dragonray9450]

Being a family man has nothing to do with Basketball, don't get me wrong I appreciate the good citizen that is Lebron James and if you want to measure off the court impact then Lebron loses again. MJ was the 90's from fashion, underwear, cars, sports drinks, shoes etc etc. In fact if we are being honest ALL NBA players today owe their lucrative off court deals to MJ who paved the way for such deals!! The problem is time and youth, the youngsters today simply were not born or old enough to know that era so they rightfully focus on what's in front of them. I just Thank God for vids cause you young guys would not have believed us oldheads about MJ's game.

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

Dragonray- Good citizen????????That's a good one.

[@shaundarenee1319]

Talk to him!

[@Scaley_Reptile]

One teaches kids to overcome, other encourages blaming everyone else. Lebron doxxed a cop,created fake hate crime, and creates constant division between fans and ppl who have a brain.. He's incredibly toxic and a TERRIBLE role model. It AMAZES me ppl think he's a humanitarian, or cares about anything outside jlhis reputation.

[@zipo1039]

How does he even know that he is good father,do u sleep with him,stay in the house with him,i think better judgement on that is diddy. Partying father.tsss...

[@keithragin6573]

I am NOT a Lebron hater, I have witnessed this Superstar and Obviously Future Hall of Famer being inducted unanimously and immediately after retiring. Coming into the league straight out of High School, he also entered the league amongst the Elites. He is PHENOMINAL! And definitely one of the greatest , however, Michael Jordan was already considered the Greatest Basketball player ever , by a majority of the best college, and NBA coaches, seasoned NBA Superstar AHALL OF FAMERS (past and present). MJ entered the NBA in a League of his own. He is the real G.O.A.T.

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!!

[@showtimenick824]

I'll take consistently being the juggernaut over beating the juggernaut just once. Especially when Draymond's suspension completely shifted the momentum of the series. Games 1 and 2, LeBron only scored 23 and 19 in games 1 and 2, not good enough at all. But they only want to remember after 3-1, not before that.

[@batman9512]

Draymond Green's suspension, Iguodala's back problem, and Bogut's knee injury. I'll still give the Cavs credit for not folding.

[@Scaley_Reptile]

Yea, I've noticed this is never talked about.. but they quick to say "Magic no longer had Kareem" ect..

[@showtimenick824]

@@batman9512 True at least the Cavs didn't fold but people make it sound way more impressive than it actually was by ignoring context.

[@wallacesharpe196]

Showtime Nick, something that I was arguing about for a long time and many don't want to realize it. Like Shannon Sharpe and Lebron himself saying that made him the greatest by beating a team without one of the best defenders.

[@showtimenick824]

@@wallacesharpe196 Yes the ring still counts and it does still help his legacy at all but not to nearly the extent that LeBron fans make it out to be.

[@petragrevstad2714]

MJ is my GOAT. Since I’m not American, I don’t have a favorite team, only favorite players 😂😉, and a large number of them after three decades watching (one of them being LeBron). They’re all amazing in one (two, three) way or another but above them all is Jordan. In my opinion.

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!!

[@conspiracyclownsgfy8264]

Nice summation Petra... Jordan was all of the things that made other players great all rolled up in one player!

[@naughtydreems9548]

This debate of the goat is unfair to the players of this era and the players of past era's. James is probably and arguably the greatest player of this era. However in this era it is MUCH softer and MUCH EASIER to score than in any other era of the game. James has NEVER faced a player like Rodman or any of the great players in different era's. Jordan played in an era when every point was a fight. The absolute physical nature of the game was a hundred times more difficult. In the current era it's almost impossible to not shoot. There isn't a single player of this era who could play in Jordan's era. They're just to soft. James is absolutely in the top 3 greatest players of all time however he is never going to be the goat. Great but never the GOAT.

[@Grey_Beard72]

I totally agree. Also, these players, James included, drop to the floor over nothing. There was even a clip on here showing LeBron doing it. If half today's players were dropped into 1988 NBA, they wouldn't know how to act. People like Jordan and Bird would eat them alive.

[@naughtydreems9548]

@@Grey_Beard72 There's videos and interviews all over the web and in newspapers by the players of that era who have literally said and continue to say to this day, that absolutely any player in this era, all of them, if they were to play in their era that they would absolutely just chuck them around the floor. Players of Jordan's era came off the floor with blood running down their bodies, knocked out teeth, knots all over their bodies, blownout backs, bruised and broken ribs, broken hands and fingers, ect. And they were expected to play in the very next game. They fought for every single point, every single second of the game. Today's soft can't even take a basic charge without crying. Just totally different era's. Jordan today would be averaging at least 50 points a game and double digit in all other areas. I would bet real money to have Rodman while in his prime play absolutely any team of today's era. He would absolutely destroy them. That's why it's unfair to compare different players from different era's. That era was just more difficult physically than the modern bitch league era. James is arguably the greatest player in the bitch league era and Jordan is the greatest player of all time. All the greatest player in the past era's say that Jordan is the GOAT.

[@Mod45thc3d]

Well said

[@raulwatkins4960]

Well said

[@juliojones8393]

And also it unfair to think that way bcuz back then you had HOf point guards in the 90s be All time great and average 9 Ppg it’s a reason why there is so much Scoring Im sure your over 35 years old and are like most old head who think they era is the best the same era where people never could even shoot 3s bcuz they couldn’t and guards was 6-0 and 6-1 guarding jordan all while jordan never could even win 2 playoffs games without Pippen lol literally Pathetic 1-9 record without people and never could even dream of making the nba finals without the best team Or without pippen it’s a reason why Players today score so much they are 1000 times more talented and way better coached and faster and big guys can shoot 3s something the guys couldn’t dream of back then all layups and dunks

[@nicsundberg8505]

It’s obvious that Jordan’s the G.O.A.T. People get their favorite players mixed up wit the Greatest players…there’s a BIG difference! Jus cuz Jordan’s the truth don’t mean Lebron not great in his own rights. It’s jus a different level of greatness

[@toogoat9293]

Ya alot of Lebron fans can't look at things unbiased

[@rasicomega]

Yeah, when I was a kid Hakeem Olajuwon was my favorite player (and an all-time great) but there was no question that Jordan was the greatest player. There was just no justification to think otherwise.

[@jaded9234]

M.J. for me. He made sure that basketball was the association his name would have, and he lived up to that legend. Not only that, but he also didn't tarnish that name by getting himself mixed up in drama, he had no business being in, outside of the court. That's one thing I severely miss about when I grew up. Those figures(like Mike) knew how effective it was to let their actions speak for them and when they did do anything. Hell, it's almost been 20 years since he retired, and the guy still seems larger than life. Lebron's shot at that left him in the form of remarks that would suddenly have them neck-deep in outrage. Nowadays, it seems like those in my generation(like Lebron) have lost that art. LBJ does have a brand and presence to him, but it's not even close to scratching the surface of planet MJ.

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!!

[@zz-tw5bs]

Did you know that kobe's mvp season stats is identical to MJ's rokee season stats. . . GOAT is clear as day

[@Scaley_Reptile]

Yes, I'd forgotten about that,crazy huh.

[@hershelpogue1745]

With less rules, less risk, less physicality, lesser rules, easier path to the basket, more fouls in the modern era. Then you compared their contributions to the and it's importance and impact. Michael Jordan has no equal in the game of basketball. And just because you got more finals in an easier era, doesn't mean you better than the one you trying to compare to. We are not here to compare legacy, because all that Michael Jordan has accomplished, and achieved is untouchable. The only thing you can compare is he a better basketball player than Lebron. That answer is yes as well. We talking skills, footwork, on an off the movement, defense, team defense, lane defense, basket defense, defending your man defense. Michael Jordan is far superior to Lebron James. Greatest of all times is only Michael Jordan. When it comes to winning and how you win does matter. And since you think that how many times you went makes a difference when you have had more talent on your team than Michael Jordan ever had. So Lebron James has had the advantage and still failed more often than he won. Magic Johnson been to 9 finals and won 5 of them. Kobe went 7 finals and won 5 of them does that mean Kobe is the greatest basketball player of all time no. Their is more to it than rebounds, and easy assists. Since his only argument is longevity. He couldn't do it in the high standards that Michael Jordan did it in, and volume and short time. What Michael Jordan skill achieved is untouchable by logical observation. Yet year after year we hear the media pundits try everyday and every year. If you tired so are we. This video should end this foolishness once and for all. But their will be some that remain salty and very bias about this and all the proof that shows no one now, past, are present, and future is near his levels of skillsxall around performances.

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!!

[@ep4271]

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[@hershelpogue1745]

@@ep4271 Extra salty. With all the cap sauce on it.

[@ep4271]

@@hershelpogue1745 👍🧢

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

hershel vogue- this GUY even brings up off the court like ALL Bronsexuals do......That has nothing to do with the sport at all. We all know the NBA and the so called legacy mainstream media covers for Lebron. His off the court stuff, actually hurts the sport, when you cost fans not to watch, that's bad.

[@enzosly]

I just want to say that I really appreciate your levelheadedness and your appreciation for what’s come before LeBron. I’ve seen so many people react to these videos and being in such denial over what Michael Jordan is and has done. Michael was on guardable and undeniable. It’s not a bad thing because of Michael you got LeBron.

[@ItzJustJP]

Thank you Vince! I really appreciate it!

[@παρηςπυρκας]

The real difference between the 2 in scoring ability can't be shown by numbers because of the change of the way the game is played..Jordan had 30 ppg and LeBron 27 ppg. LeBron is heavily favored by the fact that there are no truly bigs in the paint today, just forwards and also the defensive 3 second rule which force centers to leave the paint open for drives..watch Lebrons dunk highlights, the majority are unguarded in open lane..if LeBron played in 80s or 90, considering he is a mediocre mid range shooter, he would probably be averaging 23-24 ppg in his career

[@DeeboX-vv8ji]

EXACTLY, THANK YOU FOR POINTING THAT OUT. I was going to say that very same thing. MJ's dunks are over someone and Lebron's are wide open which in contrast levels up MJ.

[@leitberatch6160]

Yes, this.

[@jordansoviet23]

Actually he wpuld average only 15 in Jordan's time. Hand checking not a foul back then. Flopping don't get you call but more turnovers. Can't shoot outside 3 feet. No go to moves in all aspects of the game.

[@SirMan48]

@@DeeboX-vv8ji I think for his career he'd average 24. He'd still be a perinneal top 3 player, and would be the best player in the world from 98-02 (assuming he was a rookie in 90). I think in the 90s, LeBron would peak at something like 28.5/7/8.8 on something like 58/32/74.

[@sunshinekid7799]

@@jordansoviet23 you hit the nail on the head

[@rogueshinobislash]

True that. Back in med school, i didn't like basketball but i watched it because of MJ. and i lived in a dorm where noise was maintained at sublevel. But when a Bulls game was on, the landlord found it forgiveable to hear screams coming out the students' respective rooms. He was simply larger than the confines of life that restricts people on a daily basis.

[@peterparker5545]

You know how good MJ was? He was so good when he retired the 2nd time with the bulls i retired from watching basketball altogether.....

[@deeexcalibur8713]

Same here.

[@leitberatch6160]

Me too. Thats because every game with mj, was MUST SEE TV. Lebron is more, if i catch the game i catch the game.

[@showtimenick824]

Winning above all else. Herm Edwards said it best, "You play to win the game." How much you have to do with winning obviously matters too though, which is why Robert Horry is not in the debate. Longevity is something to take with a grain of salt when comparing players from different eras because today's players have a huge advantage with that over the guys from the past with better surgeries, training methods and diets. Winning is the biggest accomplishment of them all. Achievements like MVPs, they after but they're not end all be all by a long shot. Especially knowing they are media driven. Stats also need to be taken with a grain of salt because the rules are different in each era and nowadays the rules heavily favor the offense. The fact that Michael Jordan dominated on offense in an era where the rules favored the defense made him that much better to me though.

[@roys.3474]

Nobody so far has been better than Mike. Michael Jordan the real goat 🐐

[@robertjohnson2581]

Even if Labron gets all time scoring record, how many extra years did it take for him to pass Jordan. No real comparison there.

[@paulamoya7956]

MJ the GOAT . Facts are all right here . It was NEVER a discussion . The Facts say it all

[@vonbass1300]

How is this a debate? MJ is a different human. LeBron isn't even #2, even in today's wussy rules. CB is #2 in today's players and I'd move him down to 4 behind magic then bird. LeBron is maybe in the top 5. Can you imagine him doing those fake soccer flops back when the real players played? Haha.

[@richreyes4640]

Soccer flops!! 😂😂

[@dc4690]

It’s never been a debate...whole networks,radio shows and debate shows are trying to talk/debate lebrons career passed MJs lol...There’s talking heads all over the place telling half stories/half truths,always leaving out context,ignoring anything negative trying to act like things didn’t happen or literally saying losses don’t count lol,etc...While at the same time trying to convince people that john paxson and steve kerr are all of a sudden these former all time great players in nba history because of ONE SHOT EACH in MJs fast food version career highlight package,lmFao.And once everybody realized lebron couldn’t win a championship until he went and formed a ‘super team’,now all of a sudden the bulls were a super team,Bahahahaha...It can’t get much more corny than that one. Then when u consider this video,use common sense and are of sound mind and body,its obvious who the GOAT is...And there’s still SO much more that this video didn’t even get into.

[@shivamgiri4334]

Who is cb?

[@mjsup1]

Nick Wight! If it weren't for that guy nobody would even be taken seriously to argue Lebron is better.

[@khalidamajoud4114]

Oh, and by the way, I am Moroccan (Africa, baby). We revere football (soccer), but in the 90s, so many teenagers/young adults started practicing basketball, following the NBA (I remember watching the games on Saturday, plus a program highlighting the best plays of the week...)... That's all because of Jordan's impact. His competitivenesd, his athleticism, his charisma, his legacy... Michael Jordan is Michael Jackson level of fame, an international icon that became a household name in an era without the internet.

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!

[@ItzJustJP]

I love that comment! Definitely facts! Always great to hear international perspective!

[@wichitadisciple9874]

What I remember about watching Jordan was that he made unbelievable plays every night, in every game. A highlight reel for 1 of his seasons would last, at least, an hour per season. I've never seen anyone change the sport like MJ did... and EVERYONE knew that what they were watching was groundbreaking and legendary!!

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!!!!

[@MaleMoss-j9l]

Well said!!!!

[@producer21207]

We can throw all stats out the window.MJ is the first Name that comes to mind when we talk or think Basketball.MJ is the Goat.

[@satyamsharma3478]

Jordan on Offense 30.1ppg for his career, most in NBA history 33.4ppg career playoffs average, most in NBA history 33.6ppg in 6 Finals appearances, most in NBA history 41.0ppg in a Finals series, most in NBA history 10 Scoring titles, most in NBA history 10 seasons with 2,000+ points, NBA record Jordan with Analytics PER (Player Efficiency Rating): Highest in history for both the regular season (27.91) and the playoffs. (28.6) Win Shares per 48 (WS/48): Highest in history for both the regular season (.2505) and the playoffs (.2553) Box plus Minus: Highest in history for both the regular season (9.22) and the playoffs (11.14) VORP per Game: Highest in history for both the regular season (.1083) and the playoffs(.1382) Jordan on Defense He was the first player in history to be selected to 9 All Defensive First teams. He was the first player in history to get 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season, it has still only been done by 3 players. (Michael did it twice). He was the steals leader 3 times. He's the only guard in history, relative to his position, both in the Top 5 for blocks and Top 5 for steals. He was the defensive Player of the Year and Scoring Champion in the same year, the only player in history to accomplish this. His 131 blocks for the 1988 season is still the most blocks in a season by a guard in NBA history. boom no comparison

[@soramirez5473]

lebron plays both sides of the ball? he CAN, but doesnt always put the effort.. He can't be the greatest with lack of effort.. NEVER.. the GOAT has to play 110% EVERY SINGLE PLAY.

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!!

[@Runforestrun]

Lebron has been a horrible defender the past 4 seasons. It's mostly due because he doesn't try to play defense anymore.

[@nazztynatenugglife5891]

A GOAT doesn't take a night off, or sit out games during the regular season.

[@juliojones8393]

Y’all Goat standards are that of a biased fan all the way a goat also doesn’t have a 1-9 record in the playoffs without pippen a got also get to the finals most of his prime years something jordan couldn’t do he played 15 season and only got to the finals to compete at the highest level not even half his career on top of that all while playing in a expansion era and never faced a super team lebron individually had dont way more for his teams than Jordan could ever lebron has took 2 lottery teams to the finals something jordan couldn’t even dream of getting past the 1st round all while playing athletes who are 10 times better in today’s game they are running and splashing 3s like never before back then they shot layups and played tough defense to make up for lack of talent

[@Runforestrun]

@@juliojones8393 Lebron wouldn't have sniffed the finals if he had to face Bird's Celtics or the Bad Boy Pistons in the east. Exactly who the hell did he ever beat to make all those finals? Jordan faced a team with 5 Hall of Fame players in Boston, in the first round.. twice, while not having a single allstar caliber teammate. Yet Lebrin fans constantly cry about Lebron facing GS. Who will probably end up with less HOF players than the team Jordan was facing in the first round!

[@el.aye.bee.4477]

MJ has had a bit of a paradoxical career. He's part of the team that resuscitated the league, Bird and Magic helped also, by being each other's arch-nemesis while MJ did it by being everybody else's arch-nemesis and killing off the competition within the league. He is both a resuscitator and a killer, doing one to be the other.

[@davidandrews5676]

Michael, the GOAT. Kobe is almost a mirror image. Hakeem, Kareem, Bird and then maybe, Lebron.

[@showtimenick824]

I'm taking Michael Jordan all the way in this debate and as much as I find LeBron's fan base to be like a cult, no none of them deserve to lose their life over their opinion no matter how much I disagree with it.

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts and 100 percent! It is not worth it!!

[@F1rstWorldNomaD]

I don't understand how this is even a debate... It's not even close if we're being honest. There are so few points where LeBron is even comparable and the one where he is clearly in the lead, *Longevity,* rings hollow AF when you consider that Jordan played in the 80s and 90s where the opponent could pretty assult you and probably wouldn't even get fouled for it. Calling LeBron "more durable" in this scenario is like calling a Prius more durable than a Hummer when the Hummer went to Afghanistan and the Prius cruised the San Fransisco suburbs.

[@capt3rdleg835]

Lol love this

[@creed200569]

Jordan has done incredible things off the court. Alot of people don’t know but he has pledged to give 100 million over 10 years for racial equality. He’s built community centers and has donated millions more for other charities. They talk more about Lebron now just cuz he’s on social media

[@spunterage]

Good video mate. You should google what Jordan has done for the community since around 1987 and that’s not even including how he helped other people’s charities like Magic. He did it in an era without social media and preferred to just do good without advertising it. As for passing, remember Jordan did go a season averaging 8 assists per game while scoring 32.5 ppg. LeBron has only averaged 8 or more 5 times and he’s meant to be pass first and has played with much better offensive players in an era where the rules are set up for the offense. Context mate.

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

Robert Paulson- Lebron pass first? That's funny. A pass first player NEVER takes the most shots on his team. Pass first players that come to mind: Magic, Stockton, Nash, and Kidd. As much times as Lebron has the ball, he only averages 2 more assist than MJ????????????With far better shooters and teammates?????????????Bad free throw shooter for someone that handles the ball as much as him and a lot of turnovers.

[@Scaley_Reptile]

Exactly, MJ did regular charity, just didn't have to use it for his reputation as a"good guy". They go on about "LeBron had to face the internet". Yea, and also flaunts his family and charity online to garner support from the easily fooled. MJ and Magic, Kareem ..they didn't get the boost social media provides either when they do good deeds.

[@Grantherum]

There is a huge difference between a player being the GOAT... and being your personal favorite player. I watched most of the players in the GOAT debate play live on TV. The game in the 80's and 90's was a whole different animal than the one that is there today. I don't think Lebron would be even discussed in the GOAT debate had he had to play in those decades. He's just too soft. Don't get me wrong, he plays well... but he's never really had to fight for what he has.

[@loopyprawn]

I think Lebron would have adapted to the 80s-90s game because he does have the size and power, but he would have been exposed heavily and would just have been an above average player at best. Jordan’s psychotic drive to win at all costs cements him as the GOAT in my opinion.

[@JoLoRod1]

How good would a shooter who shot 33% from beyond 3 feet do in Jordan's era? He wouldn't often get to the basket, he would be gang-raped when he tried and then he would miss free throws. Not very effective. He is lucky that he is playing now or he would be on the level of an Oakley, good but nothing special.

[@oz1141]

@5:40 If you want to break it down even more. Jordan was 9 time NBA All-Defense first team and LeBron was 1 time NBA All-Defense first team.

[@mikebird5148]

My mom...a middle aged white woman, would sit and watch every game she could of Michael, and she hated basketball, only a GOAT could accomplish this.

[@Scaley_Reptile]

I'd be interested to see if MJ and Bird played today, how much different 'durability' would be. I'm pretty sure if Bron played in 80s (assuming he didn't quit inside 4 years) I'm pretty sure there wouldn't have been 17 seasons the way the contact was back then.

[@batman9512]

Contact, the schedule (less back-to-back games now), recovery methods and technology, shoes, how advanced analytics has influenced training, etc.

[@Scaley_Reptile]

@@batman9512so true. ppl also have to stop conflating STRENGTH with TOUGHNESS and muscle/weight being a direct clear example of strength. I've played sports with, fought with and worked with guys who look weak and stronger than the buff guy, ppl who looked very strong being weaker than me when I was all underweight and skinny.. Stamina also, had a Tordoning job, walk all day on mountain sides covering up to 20 miles a day, one handed axe (bigger than a tomahawk), modified axe..? Other hand holds the poison gun and you have a pack of poison on your back...only about 7 kg.. About 98% leave after a day or 2 even though it usually means walking way out of huge properties then when U find roads hitch up to a days trip back home.. Most who stayed varied in height from about 5'6 to 6'0 and all mid to skinny, 2 heavier set guys, but struggled for speed to keep up and COuLD NOT balance on the steep sections.. always limited to flatter grounds. Also often lacked the stamina. In fact many of my jobs have suprised me how little visible weight and strength actually gave anyone much if any advantage. So 'bigger and stronger' thing is really not a good arguement in my eyes...at end of day these things out mention DEF increase longevity and assist durability, they don't make them any 'tougher' at all. Hell, could be contributing to them acting so pampered and getting more rest now.

[@normanlee725]

@@Scaley_Reptile I agree. Muscle doesn't always equal to strength. It's like a body builder versus a strong man in a weight lifting competition. One is chiseled and looks domineering and the other looks fat (of course muscles underneath the fat). Many think that today's NBA players all looking like greek gods will be overwhelming stronger than those "plumber looking guys" of the 80s and 90s. Heck... those plumbers are very tough guys.

[@stevenwheat3621]

I laugh at some of these vids of LeBron fans reacting to the vid. They squirm watching and look beat up by the end! This gentleman held face tho. Good reaction.. SURE it stings, but the numbers don't lie!

[@Daryl-S]

If you counted NCAA champ and 2 gold medals Jordan has arguably 9 ships which increases winning criteria and making longevity category much closer.

[@spaceshipenterprise9062]

They didn't pay Mike to be an assist leader.He was paid to put the ball in the basket.They didn't pay Mike, to be a rebound champion, they paid Mike to put the ball in the basket.He had okay, assist and rebounds, stats, but he was paid to put the ball in the basket,which he did very well.....

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!

[@afc2333]

I personally hate it that Lebron is even compared to MJ for the Goat!! Hes not on my Mt Rushmore even. Hes number 6. Mj, Kobe, Kareem, Magic and bird are on mine. Tied for 6th is Russell, Shaq, LeChina and wilt

[@wangtang12]

Kobe is not a top 5 player all time. Your overrating him

[@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester]

Actually MJ owns off the court as well. He did so much not only saving the NBA and bringing it global he has donated so many millions and has so many camps for kids....but biggest thing that makes MJ the goat is that very impact nothing has come close since. But both are great

[@SayGahTaah]

I'd pay Nick Wright or Shannon Sharpe 10k to watch this breakdown

[@ItzJustJP]

I know right!! Lol

[@joeymanny]

one category is missing, the commendation of their peers and contemporary,, Jordan got 87% from players, coaches and analyst as GOAT

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!

[@demetriusbanks9449]

Lebron is phenomenal player but Mike has accomplished so much in 13 seasons which it will probably take Lebron 20 seasons to complete..

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!!

[@zerez3830]

I was in my teens when MJ came up and I was not even into Basketball. He literally made me a fan of the game where I went from knowing nothing to actually wanting to know about the game and also wanting to watch the game. After MJ's time, I have not followed the game anymore. Whereas, Le Bron James, I did not even know who he was. I can't comment on anything about him and his game, but I would like to say that if Le Bron James was the GOAT. why was I not moved and told about him?. I am NOT saying that he is a bad player, I am just saying that he is not the GOAT. MJ converted me, someone, who knows nothing about basketball, and made me marvel at what he could do on the court. I am sure you have all (if not most people) heard the saying 'I wanna be, wanna be like Mike'. That is not just a saying, it's a fact because his plays inspired even me who is not even that into sports "PERIOD" to get on the court to play. This is my thoughts on the matter.

[@T1625-w7d]

The saying use to be let Jordan have his 30, but don’t piss MJ off or he will go for 50.

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!!!! JR Rider! Byron Scott!

[@hainavidotcom]

Agreed, Yeah, piss off Bron, and he will just probably call you Officer T1625, to throw them out of the game.

[@davidalvarez6262]

If Lebron was in the same era, he would get beat tf up. His durability is because the game is not as physical as Jordans era

[@slk9916]

It's a shame to compare anyone to MJ

[@gieochezsan2084]

Great breakdown,hands down Michael Jordan the true GOAT OF BASKETBALL ..

[@ghetto-ceethageneralg.f.m.6804]

I never seen Jordan rest on defense! GOAT Debate? It never was a debate! Air GOAT

[@Seti_menmaatre]

I don’t know why it’s a debate.The degree of difficulty on Jordan shots was insane.He was going through,around,over two to three players at a time.Shooting over two or three ppl.You had too keep your eye on every game because he might do some amazing circus shot or might bust 50 on some team.Dude is the original 23.Plus he never quit on his team .We seen Lbj quit on his team numerous times .Jordan made the game international.Lbj got some of the least watched finals in history

[@nc3836]

Jordan is the GOAT PERIOD on no planet would I take James over Jordan!!

[@reaperhunter1369]

MJ never ever proclaim he was ever the best player or he was the goat and i respect that but when james called himself the best player i lost all respect for him...🤔

[@kevyngreen5038]

My dude yes, same.

[@Endless-River]

As a Bills fan, it's great seeing us in the video. Honestly, for me, it is a tough decision that ultimately leads to, yes, I would trade all 4 appearances for one win. Just because they deserved it so much back then, only getting fucked by the words "wide right" that even today, if you type in "wide right" Google brings up that kick.

[@ItzJustJP]

Oh yeah i know. I feel for yall! I hate that gary Anderson kick when Falcons beat Vikings. I put my head down in disgust.

[@eddieb.4228]

When the only one you miss that season is the one that counts... SMH

[@ItzJustJP]

@@eddieb.4228 yep smh

[@damo5350]

Was watching the grizzlies v Lakers today and too nobodies surprise Lebron hid on the far side of the inbound play with no defender with hands on his hips and they ignored him 😂. That’s not a guy who wants to be the goat that’s a guy who knows his limitations and by the sounds of it , his team ignored him and defenders encouraged the pass to him by standing off him. That’s gold.🤪. I do wonder what excuses the young and stoopid Bronsexuals will say to defend him this time.

[@jonathanesteban6851]

I'm not mj fan but for me mj is the real goat

[@soeradjnarain341]

You said it right: "what both did was unbelievable for basketbal." ONCE MADE THE NBA AND ONE ALMOST DESTROYED IT!!🤣

[@kevyngreen5038]

Word!!

[@khalidamajoud4114]

I honestly had no idea this was even up for debate? Perhaps is it that people thirty years old and younger did not witness that miracle player...Those old enough to have watched him pass, defend, run and score know that he is the best there has ever been...Probably the best there ever will be. No disrespect to Iverson, Kobe (RIP) and LeBron, but MJ is the goat.

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!!

[@dave52g]

I would even choose Kobe over Lebron. Kobe is the closest next to MJ.

[@nazztynatenugglife5891]

When these type of questions are asked, I just wish everybody had the same amount of knowledge about the NBA. Everyone usually picks the best they saw in their era. Kareem just pointed out "I saw Wilt, Oscar, and Russell play". To me that is why LBJ is thrown into the GOAT conversation. I've been watching NBA games since games were on tape delay, and the Clippers were in San Diego. For me Lebron doesn't even make my all time 5, I got Magic, Jordan, Bird, Duncan, Kareem. The NBA is so soft now with rule changes, almost outlawing defense, and Flagrants. Look up McHale clotheslines Rambis, that was a 2 shot foul!!! No harm, no foul, no blood, no ambulance! I believe pre 2K greats numbers would be even better if they played now, and most stars of today would have their numbers drop if they played pre 2K. LeBron doesn't have that Savage Assassin Slit your Throat Chromosome, that's why I have him only in my Top 15 all time.

[@jordansoviet23]

Every kid and youth here in 1993 in my country, the Philippines tried and practiced Jordan's hang time moves. I was a grade 4 pupil back then. In 1995 when Jordan came back from retirement before my grade 6 days, everyone is glued to their TV sets and after we watched his moves from his games, some of us imitated his moves, while I myself imitated his attitude. That's the reason why one of my former neighbors called me Jordan due to emulating Michael Jordan's win at all cost attitude.

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts bro!! Facts!!!

[@nickward2499]

Sorry but it has never been a debate. Micheal is the greatest and lebron barely breaks the top 5.

[@kevyngreen5038]

Agreed

[@FoeRojo]

Beating the juggernaut is better than being the juggernaut crazy man

[@mikebriggs1234]

Jordan is definitely the greatest of all time

[@irod642]

I have always been a San Antonio fan. In the 90's, I watched every Bulls game that aired on the local channels just because watching that guy play was exciting! You knew that you were about to watch something special, and the thing is... he almost never disappointed!! I have never felt the same way about LeBron, even Curry catches my attention a lot more than James!

[@F1rstWorldNomaD]

Bird and Magic should also be on everyone's Rushmore. There wouldn't even be a league today without them. You could literally call them "The founding fathers" of the NBA.

[@tcr7]

"If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save a game I'd choose Michael Jordan.. If I had to choose a player to take a shot to save my life... I'd take Larry Bird." - Pat Riley

[@derekjuarez9762]

One thing I hear is that Jordan couldn’t shoot the 3-ball, but that was a conscious choice. Jordan said himself in an interview back in the 90’s that he didn’t want to be a 3pt shooter, because In his mind when you focus on 3pointers you tend to hang on the perimeter waiting for a pass. He wasn’t about to do that.

[@soramirez5473]

well Im a knicks fan and if I ever met Jordan I would tell him how much I hated him and how he caused me so much grief and angst.. Lebron? can anyone say that to him? would anybody say that? who's dreams has lebron james crushed? speaking from a fan of NIETHER, and a person who has seen BOTH play and have seen my team, the knicks, face off against BOTH, I gotta say JORDAN, than BIRD.. I seen bird play too..

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!!

[@shade0180]

More like the lebron fans the one cursing from that 3 years of getting dominated by the warriors. The bulls fans had no one to be angry about, really. Even the Piston getting Jordan Battered wouldn't make the fan curse the piston nor When Bird's Celtic was dominating the league or even Magics laker was dominating. Because even when jordan's bulls was losing he was winning on the personal awards. Basically since he stepped on the floor he gets an award every single year.

[@Mikah234]

Loved this post. MJ is simply the Goat. Facts! :)

[@DeeboX-vv8ji]

It's this simple, Lebron wears #23, and he just stared in a SPACE JAM movie 🤨. Lebron is SHOWING you who he really thinks the 🐐 is... Michael J. Jordan.

[@mpound97]

They show MJ is the goat everyday when the lebron minions in the media try to attack and bash Jordan. They not doing it to no one else.

[@derekjuarez9762]

Even though they didn’t take advanced shooting metrics during Jordan’s playing days, we have tape of every game he played in the NBA. It would take a long time but it would Be possible to get the advanced shooting stats for Jordan’s bulls days.

[@johnygoodman6659]

Watch the Larry Bird labron James comparison, since they both small forward, it actually shows bird is more goat than james

[@dgreater1]

Just so people know, one of Michael's hobby during his era was Posterizing and terrorizing Superstars which makes them scared of facing him or triggering his competitive nature. That's how good he was during an era where everyone was crazy bat shit or let's just say, an era that's considered to be Hard/Nightmare Mode. Ironically speaking, it's equivalent to seeing the Greatest Tetris Player Amemiya Taiyou against 99 Best Tetris players in the world and dominating them every game and those best players totally recognize the big difference between their skills against the Greatest in every aspects. To be compared to Godlike players is already an achievement that people should be proud of, much more, to be recognized by them is another feat.

[@TheMissiIe]

You should react to NBA players predicting how many points MJ would average in today's game

[@ItzJustJP]

I will do that!

[@sleepymaldonado9559]

But thankyou for the video. Appreciate it

[@vincestud2088]

Honestly I think that this debate is media manufactured for ratings. In my humble opinion there is no comparison. And I think most people who saw both of these players in their prime would agree that Jordan was a far superior player. As the video said, Lebron is being compared to a player with no weaknesses in his game.. On a side note, imagine Jordan when he lost to The Pistons in the 1989 conference finals and that summer “taking his talents to Detroit” This alone ends the debate for me for Lebron (and KD).

[@TheDudeAbides1998]

Vince Stud- Lebron learned a lot from Shaq, and started the Lebron Sweepstakes and prime all stars colluding. And how many teams is that now lebron has been on? I mean transaction wise. We haven't even brought up prime all stars? OR 2011 finals.

[@nonna19_21]

I give my hats off to Lebron for being a great player up to today, he still give challenges to younger players at his age. But no one can deny d Greatness of "The Michael Jordan" 💪🐐

[@smoothoperator3739]

Nope Jordan has ALSO done a lot for his community he just doesn't brag about it as much, he does it quietly

[@lamefart]

There was even a phone clip of him distributing new shoes and school supplies to a school where he specifically said no media. There was a local town news though. He was a benefactor of Make A Wish Foundation for more than 30 years. One of the most heartwarming stories I've heard of him was about a burn victim where he brought to the game and placed the wheelchair right beside their bench. It was a violation of the NBA and arena rule. He said he wouldn't play if they removed the kid. Let's not forget he donated his whole season playing in the Wizards for the 9/11 victims. Aside from the fact that he donated to 23 foundations helping those victims directly.

[@scubadoo7951]

Love the open mind!

[@jasonwilliams6330]

Lebron James is still great there's nothing wrong to be in 2nd fiddle to Jordan or 3rd because I'm not a 100% sure he even passed Kobe Cause let's be real there's only been one other player that was anywhere close to Jordan and that was Kobe

[@ItzJustJP]

I respect your opinion!

[@jerusalemkebab7815]

Great reaction video man, I agree with every single thing you said. Keep doing what you’re doing and I wish you the best of luck. Happy New Year! :)

[@ItzJustJP]

Thank you man! Happy New Year too as well!

[@rdjcisneros6708]

*IF YOU TAKE MICHAEL JORDAN OUT OF THE PICTURE, LEBRON JAMES IS STILL NOT THE GOAT, BUT MICHAEL JORDAN IS IN THE PICTURE SO **MICHAEL JORDAN THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME**

[@robertjames1087]

Exactly, Kobe was better than lebron too!

[@ivanmullins1268]

I'm Old Skool, my GOAT is definitely MJ hands down. He was poetry and the master of a very competitive NBA.

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!!!

[@ItzJustJP]

Who is your GOAT and why???

[@torrents6786]

MJ, because he's the right man, at the right place, at the right time. I will add that Lebron is very strong but I wish everyone to have a MJ in their life.

[@ItzJustJP]

@@torrents6786 facts!!

[@ingobordewick6480]

Mike, opponents like Larry called him "god" for a reason. I am from Germany and was never a basketball-fan at all. Basketball isn't a big thing in Germany, it's soccer. But I tell you that back in the days when Michael played, I was sitting in front of the tv with 4 of my friends during the whole night just to see him play. There will never be a player like MIke.

[@jackastor5265]

Modern sports media doesn't want people to know the truth. Here is some data on MJ for anyone interested. MJ has no equal Jordan on Offense 30.1ppg for his career, most in NBA history 33.4ppg career playoffs average, most in NBA history 33.6ppg in 6 Finals appearances, most in NBA history 41.0ppg in a Finals series, most in NBA history 10 Scoring titles, most in NBA history 10 seasons with 2,000+ points, most in NBA history Jordan with Analytics PER (Player Efficiency Rating): Highest in history for both the regular season (27.91) and the playoffs. (28.6) Win Shares per 48 (WS/48): Highest in history for both the regular season (.2505) and the playoffs (.2553) Box plus Minus: Highest in history for both the regular season (9.22) and the playoffs (11.14) VORP per Game: Highest in history for both the regular season (.1083) and the playoffs(.1382) Jordan on Defense He was the first player in history to be selected to 9 All Defensive First teams. He was the first player in history to get 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season, it has still only been done by 3 players. (Michael did it twice). He was the steals leader 3 times. He's the only guard in history, relative to his position, both in the Top 5 for blocks and Top 5 for steals. He was the defensive Player of the Year and Scoring Champion in the same year, the only player in history to accomplish this. His 131 blocks for the 1988 season is still the most blocks in a season by a guard in NBA history.

[@ingobordewick6480]

@@jackastor5265 What do you mean, modern sports media doesn't want you to know. The info is all out there, or where did you get that from? Some hidden secret databank??? Stupid

[@chikushodiz91]

This video as proved what I’ve been saying for a long time there is no goat debate between Jordan and Lebron

[@ItzJustJP]

Facts!!

[@chikushodiz91]

@@ItzJustJP don’t get me wrong lebron is phenomenal player is just Jordan is in a while another universe

[@sleepymaldonado9559]

As MJ always said..."You reach... I teach"

[@st.ashhole4192]

that fact that there's even a comparison today is hilarious.

[@aaronporter2180]

In my book it ended for LeBron in 2011. LeBron was outplayed on the biggest stage by role players. He played 46 mins and scored 8 points going 3-11 in game 4. I don't think losing in the finals is a killer but it has to be competitive. Getting swept twice beat 4-1 twice and his poor showing in 2011 sealed it for me.

[@tubeles5920]

Never was a conversation. #MJ23GOAT

[@AParallelReality]

Jordan is the goat but that doesn’t change the fact that Lebron is an all time great and nothing wrong with that