"Ivermectin saved Japan from Covid-19" was always bunk

Misinformation dissection!
At the end of 2021, ivermectin advocates leaned heavily into a particular narrative: that ivermectin adoption caused a steep decline in Covid-19 cases in Japan. In this video, we revisit that story with the benefit of hindsight, and use the example to understand how misinformation works.
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▬ Contents ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
0:00 Prequel
3:04 Part 1: the August 2021 Covid peak in Japan
4:45 Part 2: The explanations in 2021
5:32 How the "ivermectin miracle" story originated from the far-right fringe
12:45 The "probably related to the Olympics" story
15:16 Part 3: What we know in 2023 with hindsight
15:56 Ivermectin was not used for Covid-19 in Japan
20:40 Scientific support for the Olympic + vaccination explanation
24:30 Part 4: Why the "ivermectin miracle" story was always misinformation
27:26 The misinformation "tells"
33:22 How scientific misinformation and pseudoscience use the same methods
▬ References ▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
Watari et al "Incidence of and Ivermectin Prescription Trends for COVID-19 in Japan" www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
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[@eyeneffjay]

Thanks Prof Greg for this. Very important that people get back to the "reality based community". Related to this, I am doing my dissertation for my Psychology MSc on some of the psychological influences driving the spread of misinformation on social media. Would it be ok to post a link for participants here? (Its a link on Twitter and has full ethical approval, participant information sheet, etc. on there)

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

It's OK with me, but posting a link to my audience might introduce bias in your study cohort.

[@eyeneffjay]

@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg Ok I've set up a KZbin account so that the study can be accessed from there. Have fun! www.youtube.com/@PsychRonan/about

[@eyeneffjay]

@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg Okay, in lieu of a link "PsychRonan" is my study's handle and all details are there including how to contact the university, and my email address, etc.

[@Marco-it2mr]

@@eyeneffjay You could send the link to Greg, who can put the link in the video description maybe?

[@ivermec-tin666]

So you are researching psychology through a sociological phenomenon? 🤣 You are conflating disciplines.

[@christopherrobinson7541]

Using Our World in Data. Looking at cases, the Bi-weekly change peaked at 200% on 8th August 2021 and the Weekly change peaked at 126% on 1st August 2021. This clearly shows that the peak in cases was already beginning to slow before the announcement regarding IVM.

[@johnpeterson7264]

I want to credit Dr Amy Rosenfeld - virologist at Columbia - with quickly pointing out on the weekly TWIV podcast, the very dramatic escalation in human dosing that would have been needed to achieve the concentrations used in vitro to achieve viral inhibition . There was never any reason to believe that such doses would be safe in humans .

[@RD-wg7kx]

Thanks, Prof.! I recall clearly when Campbell stated that Ivermectin was reducing Covid in Japan---and yet none of us actually here in Japan has heard of it...or had access to it. (I might've tried Ivermectin in Japan; but no doctors were prescribing in For Covid. NONE.) Campbell quickly retitled his 'Ivermectin/Japan' KZbin video...'cause it was nonsense. Longtime Tokyo resident, - Bob

[@BeesBugsJapan]

I stopped watching Campbell after this.

[@bordersw1239]

Yep, he was going to upload an interview with a Japanese Dr to prove it but never did, I wonder why?

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

@@bordersw1239 Same reason he never did a video on the TOGETHER ivermectin clinical trial after having he said he was going to, even though he qualified that promise by saying it was 'problematic'. I think he meant to imply the study was problematic rather than the clear result of the study being problematic for him!

[@wednesdayschild3627]

Sadly, John Ioannidis started the whole covid is no big deal idea. That was picked up by Laura Ingraham. I think John Ioannidis is good and reputable. That made it all worse.

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

@@bordersw1239 It's a mystery

[@galvanaut7119]

Thank you for doing these. even though the "lie goes 'round the world before the truth gets its pants on", it's still important for the truth to get its pants on.

[@greenfinmusic5142]

Now you should try to list a few (or a few dozen) of the lies pushed within the mainstream narratives. Are you able and willing to do that?

[@Diamonddavej]

The first time I saw this claim was a link people were sharing to a TikTok video (or maybe Instagram). The video added fake subtitles over Dr. Ozaki's Aug 13th press conference, that made it appear he was saying Japan banned the Moderna vaccine and was switching to Ivermectin. I remember having to debunk this video by finding the original press conference (on Japanese website, so I had to use Google Translate) and showing people what Dr. Ozaki actually said, he in fact proposed a medical trial to see if Ivermectin was efficacious and asked for the trial to be approved as quickly as possible [a medical trial was required for approval]. He did not announce Japan had approved Ivermectin or announce that Japan was banning vaccines, he also had no power to do this.

[@Diamonddavej]

I found my old comment from December 2021, but this myth was doing the rounds for months: This fake news started after people manipulated footage of a speech given on Aug 13th 2021 by Mr. Haruo Ozaki, chairman of the Tokyo Metropolitan Medical Association. They added fake subtitles to make it appear that Japan abandoned the Moderna vaccine and approved Ivermectin instead. They posted the fake video to Instagram last August. On the contrary, Mr. Haruo Ozaki explained in his August speech, that Ivermectin is not approved in Japan due to a lack of clinical trials. From Haruo Ozaki’s Aug 13th news conference: “Another problem is that ivermectin has already been used in many countries around the world, and its dosage, dosage, safety and efficacy have been confirmed, but it has not yet been done in clinical trials in Japan. For this reason, ivermectin is not covered by the drug side effect relief system. This makes it difficult for doctors to use. However, even in such anxiety and disadvantageous situations, doctors who are convinced of the effects of ivermectin. Some of us are prescribing ivermectin at our own risk. I hope that the Japanese version of the EUA Maintenance Law will be enacted as soon as possible.” So Ivermectin is not approved in Japan and only a few doctors are prescribing it at their own risk. Mr. Ozaki went on to say that a clinical trial of Ivermectin is planned and this could help approve Ivermectin in Japan, if the results are positive: “In Japan, a clinical trial led by Kowa, a major pharmaceutical company, is finally scheduled.” - Mr. Ozaki However, by the end of August, 90% of people >60 were fully vaccinated and infections plummeted, there is no need for an Ivermectin trial. Here is the video of Mr. Ozaki’s news conference on August 13th, upload date Aug 14th: I provided a URL to a Japanese news site that showed the original video of he confernce. And here is the translated transcript of Mr. Ozaki’s news conference, article date August 18th 2021: I provided a URL hosting a translated transcript of his speech

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

Wow, thanks. It would not surprise me *at all* if a lot of the stirrings that led to those posts took place in the 4chan/8chan world.

[@lindaward]

​​@@Diamonddavej Thanks for all that info 👍

[@silversun119]

@@Diamonddavej Did anyone admit they were wrong? Nope. Once it's said any correction gets ignored

[@Schokland2007]

One of the first videos I saw of Campbell was the Japanese video and all the alarm bells went off for me. My dislike of him is first and foremost because he has the deceptive air of the dull, reliable scientist. It shows again, don't go for the appearance but for the facts.

[@colsylvester639]

super interesting thank you, especially the part about the tactics involved. I think it's important for all of us to recognise that the believers of misinformation and pseudoscience aren't typically aware of the tells and people like Campbell and other's rely on it. This is exactly why we need commentators and educators like you Prof Greg. Unfortunately the people least aware of the tells may also be more likely to feel they have less perceived control/autonomy which is another risk factor. Reaching them is a perennial struggle! Keep up the good fight!

[@IShootWatches]

Thanks Prof Greg! I don't know what we would do without you! It's really important to break all of this down so people can come to their own conclusions.

[@willem1642]

Thanks, it's always good to hear from people who actually know what they are talking about.

[@philxray666]

Oh another Susan Oliver fan club member, fancy bumping into you lot here............ NOT!!

[@trishhawkins4966]

Thank you once again Prof Greg. So well done and clear. I wish I had found your answers and expert information earlier. Please keep up the good science if you can, there are some grateful listeners out there and I have forwarded your podcasts on. Stay safe.

[@eottoe2001]

Japan had a high (compared to US) vaccination rate at that time. There was a lag for the vaccine to kick in and you then see the drop in Covid cases and deaths after that like in the US or wherever the vaccines were used. Countries like the UAE had better outcomes due to higher vaccination rates compared to the US and Japan.

[@terjeoseberg990]

Japan’s extensive use of masks reduced R0 to below 1.

[@christopherrobinson7541]

R0 does not change but the time related effective R number Rt can be reduced by mitigation measures. Rt = R0 x (1 - i) where i is the % intervention measure.

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@christopherrobinson7541 I missed that, thanks, but apparently that definition holds true only in places like Australia. Have a read of the Wikipedia entry under the title "Basic reproduction number": "The R0 of an infection is the expected number of cases directly generated by one case in a population where all individuals are susceptible to infection. The definition assumes that no other individuals are infected or immunized (naturally or through vaccination)" And: "R0 is not a biological constant for a pathogen as it is also affected by other factors such as environmental conditions and the behaviour of the infected population" But: "Some definitions, such as that of the Australian Department of Health, add the absence of "any deliberate intervention in disease transmission""

[@MRCAGR1]

There is one possible mechanism by which Ivermectin could appear to work, but only if the person has a helminth infestation. It’s to do with the change in the immune system as a consequence of a parasitic infection and the helper T cells that are involved. For a parasitic infection the helper T cells (Th) are what are termed class 2 (Th2). For a viral infection the important helper T cells are class 1 (Th1). If there’s an active parasitic infection then the immune response is Th2, which suppresses the Th1 response, thus leaving the person vulnerable to viral infections. If the person is starts taking an antiparasitic around the same time that they contract SARS-CoV-2 with severe symptoms and the parasite is killed by the anti parasitic then the immune response will switch from a Th2 to an antiviral Th1 response, thus it appears that the anti parasitic has cured covid, when in fact it has enabled the immune system to respond to the virus.

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

There's another plausible mechanism also related to helminth infestation, which is that immunosuppression through corticosteroid treatment (common for Covid) can aggravate strongyloidiasis infection. Avi Bitterman and coworkers did a comparison of clinical trials in regions with and without endemic strongyloidiasis and found results consistent with that hypothesis. In both cases, it's ivermectin acting as an antiparasitic, not an antiviral.

[@MRCAGR1]

@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg thank you for this information. I don’t have any real experience or knowledge in this field so I’m dependent on what I read as and when.

[@Lily-Bravo]

@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg I seem to remember you doing a video which explained at molecular level the action of the drug and how it couldn't work on the virus. Have I remembered correctly?

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

Yes, that was my first misinformation video on this channel, an all-too-long response to John Campbell's ignorance about paxlovid and ivermectin.

[@DRnab1983]

Greg - this your best video ever and that’s saying something it’s tour de force - love the background music too

[@demetriomaniau9249]

Hey prof Greg... how good is that new Debunk The Funk video on Joe Rogan and RFK jr?

[@TheAtt22]

Brilliant… thank you for your time and effort to debunk the the grifters on YT.

[@Lily-Bravo]

Thanks Prof Greg. I really hope that some of those people taken in by this misinformation and who come along to mock and gloat, actually watch your videos and start to ponder a bit about their thinking up to now.

[@williamverhoef4349]

Of course, we know they won't watch the video and that, instead, they will try to divert the discussion onto topics NOT discussed in the video. Some will even demand that the video should have been about another topic.

[@philxray666]

Oh another Susan Oliver fan club member, fancy bumping into you lot here............ NOT!!

[@Lily-Bravo]

@@philxray666 Hardly surprising, since Prof Greg was the one to direct me, and others to Dr Oliver.

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@philxray666

[@WillNewcomb]

So brilliant. Thank you so much for all the work you've put in to create this video. Blessings.

[@MrArdytube]

A comment about Dr John Campbell. I was an early follower. Here was a common sense medical professional providing consolidated updates on the latest research during this confusing emergency. In that context, I found Campbell’s accent to be to be a endearing component of his unpretentious-good nature. I have not listened to his videos for for more than two years. So when I listened to the clip in this video… I was frankly shocked. Instead of being reassuring… the voice I now heard seemed like a different person… amateurish and bumbling,

[@aq9415]

That clip was from November 2021. He has moved on from amateurish and bumbling. He is now in the smug and paranoid sounding phase of his downfall.

[@MrArdytube]

@@aq9415 Yes, Campbell has certainly devolved over time. But I was also making an of added point. I would say that his character was there to see from the beginning. His self effacing country boy shtick distracted from what was actually a lack of expertise or rigorous methodology. Also, his demeanor led me to grant him a level of trust in his good nature. Sadly, he seems to be an enthusiastic victim of audience capture…. Liking the limelight and possibly the financial rewards of his new found popularity

[@Marco-it2mr]

​@@MrArdytube you show one of the problems with scientific communication to the public: how someone is perceived can be as important or more important than the content.

[@elizabethcarroll7061]

You obviously didn't like Dr Campbell when he started telling you the truth about the so called vaccine, as Dr Campbell believe in the vaccine to begin with, but then he found the data to be flawed, he literally woke up and seen the truth.

[@aq9415]

​@@elizabethcarroll7061 He found out how profitable certain topics are and started catering for this market. He very quickly become a millionaire and keeps chasing the money. Obviously genuine covid news has a very narrow audience these days.

[@MarceloHenriqueAlmeida]

Do you have any more information on the Itajai case? I'm from Brazil and I've been trying to do some digging and the legal proceedings don't seem to be going anywhere. It's like nothing ever happened.

[@dharmacharinipasadanandi7110]

Thanks Prof Greg. Really enjoyed this post. Watched on catch up. This was so well researched and presented, good stuff.

[@Cabiriad]

Excellent video, Professor. This needed to be done, thank you.

[@sundaysommers1476]

Appreciate the follow up. Really like the points about tactics used in misinformation. Some of them were obvious to me early on with JC. Unfortunately my husband, who has a degree in microbiology, listens to him regularly.

[@lindaward]

Has your husband seen any of Dr Susan Oliver's videos?

[@williamverhoef4349]

"Unfortunately my husband, who has a degree in microbiology, listens to him regularly" This is something I truly do not understand.

[@sundaysommers1476]

I haven’t heard of her, so I doubt it. I will have a listen myself. He is still obsessed with all this. He acknowledges that JC was wrong about Japan, but thinks it was an innocent mistake. He refuses to listen to any “mainstream” sources about anything. The last few years have been beyond challenging.

[@sundaysommers1476]

Me either. It’s an MS in medical microbiology.

[@lindaward]

@@sundaysommers1476 I don't envy your situation :/ Dr Dan Wilson has also made a number of videos debunking covid misinformation, this one is entitled "The Dishonest Rise of John Campbell" kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5m9l2Olm5Karac

[@PifflePrattle]

Thank you prof. Very nice analysis of the ways of disinformation disseminators.

[@indoorkangaroo3431]

What a great idea to look back over some of these claims around ivermectin. I also appreciate the structure of the video as the explanation is built up by the evidence now available. Thanks Prof Greg!

[@ex8280]

lol, i like how he site steve Bannon, 4Chan, and other Conspiracy theorist, to validate his findings. LOL

[@demetriomaniau9249]

YUUUUUHOOOOOOOO Glad to see you're back with another video. Excited for this one.

[@sebastianbalbo1906]

i love how zuckenberg admits that people like YOU and other on facebook and you tube have represented THE DISINFORMATION UNIT.s for FAUCI...WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE AND GLADLY WE HAVE UNDERSTOOD HOW FALSIFYING WAS YOUR CLAIMING TO BE SCIENTIFIC..LOVE IT ..

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@sebastianbalbo1906 I didn't know Mark Zuckerberg was a scientist. At what university did he obtain his qualifications in epidemiology and virology?

[@demetriomaniau9249]

The music in the video is great. Nice touch.

[@gavtalk958]

Prof. Could you do a video on current excess deaths in many OECD nations. Is it misinfo or real? If real, what are the causes?

[@skepticalbadger]

Dr Susan Oliver (Back to the Science) has covered this, most recently on 23 Jan

[@Sceince01]

Dr Susan Oliver and MEDCRam have nice videos on the topic.

[@elizabethcarroll7061]

I think we all know the excess deaths are real.

[@lindaward]

​@@elizabethcarroll7061 Yes, and the ONS data shows the never-vaxed dropping at much higher rates than the ever-vaxed, for all causes.

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@elizabethcarroll7061 : "I think we all know the excess deaths are real" But do you the real cause of those excess deaths? Or have you just blindly accepted what the apologists for the anti-vaccine industry have deceived you into believing? Can I ask you to answer the following question which should cause you to actually think a little about what those miscreants are doing to your brain (ie filling it with absolute nonsense). Here is the scenario: A person gets infected with SARS-CoV-2 virus and comes down with the COVID-19 disease. The disease worsens and they end up in hospital and then ICU and then on a ventilator. After a few weeks, with the excellent medical attention they have received, they improve and are gradually weaned off the ventilator and, after recovering for a few weeks in the general ward they are discharged home into the care of their family, their GP, and the district nurse who visits a couple of times a week to assess progress and look out for complications. Here's the question: Is that person's life expectancy: 1) increased 2) unchanged. 3) DECREASED. Now, think of the implications of your answer for the answer to the question about the CAUSE of excess deaths. Here is a hint: there were also excess deaths after the 1918 Influenza pandemic. Here is another hint: there were no vaccines back in 1918.

[@wpgspecb]

How does this have 800 views and "dr." Campbell gets 200k ?

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

Life is full of mysteries.

[@user-kf7wm6kt6o]

It's no mystery..😊

[@williamverhoef4349]

Controversy creates clicks. Appealing to antivaxxers creates clicks. Johnny discovered that when he came to the wrong conclusion about ivermectin as a result of his gross incompetence in reading the results of scientific research. He's been doubling down ever since. It is almost certain that he is doing this now knowing that he is wrong. It is disgraceful behaviour for an ex-nurse to be knowingly spreading misinformation that greatly harms people he used to help.

[@wpgspecb]

@@williamverhoef4349 to be honest it was a rhetorical question LOL. You and I know the answer.

[@MsJoaniesgarden]

I can't help but think that there would have been some monetary gain with the initial spread of this disinformation. Ivermectin is STILL being suggested in my little rural community in southern Ohio. With someone like Bannon involved, I would like to know who was investing in stock or was it just to create chaos and lose faith in our healthcare system?

[@Marco-it2mr]

Also to be "different". Cult-like behavior: 'they' do not want you to use this, come to us, we'll help you. You've now created a bubble in which you can feed people with more and more things that separate them from reality.

[@MsJoaniesgarden]

@@Marco-it2mr True. Once they are encouraged to fear. The ability to trust will only be their closest friends. Especially if they cannot open their minds to look for the answers and only take hearsay. (gossip) Is it a lack of education to find good sources or the echo chamber of "trusted sources" that keeps them from looking elsewhere. Pumping up the fear incites them to circle their wagons.

[@mail4lana]

Thank you, appreciated 🙏

[@swanny64]

wish we could all live in reality

[@Lily-Bravo]

We do, because reality on earth is full of a mixture of truth and lies, good and bad, trust and distrust.

[@barsark254]

could you do a review of the saive study? i dont want to sound demeaning but the music playing in the background and the picking of sources from 4chan and guys like steve banon aren't very good optically.

[@MrQuarksy]

Thanks greatly for your brilliant work and providing clarity in a confused world. Unfortunately Dr Campbell has morphed towards feeding a large hungry crowd of sceptics (most followers) rather than thoughtful in depth analysis of the science. His sign say's "Follow the Evidence" ...but only if it points in one direction it seems. It appears my occasional concerns were not misguided.

[@tonycook7679]

Campbell is no doctor, remember, he has a low quality PhD in nurse education. He is nothing more than a retired nurse, he has no medical training at all.

[@maxwellsmart3156]

Another interesting video.

[@aislingquinn7673]

Super explainer. Thanks so much for doing what you do

[@stephentaylor358]

Great information and analysis. Thanks!

[@Nthompson50000]

great video.

[@philxray666]

Oh another Susan Oliver fan club member, fancy bumping into you lot here............ NOT!!

[@t.c.8837]

didn't the fda just say something about ivermectin?

[@christopherrobinson7541]

The FDA just confirmed that IVM is a licenced drug and that they do not recommend it as a treatment for COVID-19; however, doctors can prescribe this drug off-label.

[@mimo8936]

Thank-you much appreciated quality information

[@philxray666]

Oh another Susan Oliver fan club member, fancy bumping into you lot here............ NOT!!

[@DrDGr2]

I really enjoyed this video, even though I feel that the background music absolutely doesn't add much to it. I'm curious to hear your perspective on the current narrative suggesting that excess deaths are occurring in most western countries. Thank you very much

[@williamverhoef4349]

" I'm curious to hear your perspective on the current narrative suggesting that excess deaths " In brief, the excess deaths are the result those infected with the SARS-CoV-2 virus without the benefit of vaccination surviving with severely damaged organs - especially damage to the heart and lungs - having a reduced life expectancy. Numerous studies around the world have excluded vaccines as a cause. Additional causes are delayed tests and delayed diagnoses of other conditions because of the pandemic overwhelming the health care system which, after 2020 was largley caused by the activities of "freedom fighters" and the anti-vaccine industry.

[@skepticalbadger]

Great video. I would suggest losing the background music - you don't need it and it's occasionally a little distracting.

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

Noted!

[@silversun119]

@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg I have mixed feelings. I liked the addition but also felt it was tense at times

[@williamverhoef4349]

What background music? 😀

[@christopherrobinson7541]

@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg The music is OK for an introduction, perhaps an interlude between sections and on leaving, but not in the main body of the video.

[@TheHunterGracchus]

To be honest, I'd be happy to have a lot less background music in my life. In movies, grocery stores, sporting events....

[@davidgrigg1167]

Absolutely spot on! Always worth watching your videos. Keep up the good work! Not sure if the dramatic background ‘music’ works in your favour though! (It’s nice when it stops). Although some of Dr.John Campbell’s videos are well worth watching I’ve always got the impression that he’s ‘pushing an agenda’ (use of the phrase ‘Western main stream media’ is always a clue). I’ve put critical comments under some of his videos amongst the hundreds of comments from his fans patting him on the back. So if anyone on here disagrees with Dr.John why not leave a critical comment, perhaps his fans might start having second thoughts (we can only dream.🤣).

[@williamchamberlain2263]

Oh this comment section is going to be _good!_

[@roscoesfriend]

Your videos are objective and very informative. Thank you, thank you 🙇‍♀

[@alunjones3860]

He mentioned the far-right in the summary, which hints of a political bias to this one. I hope it's not going to be like that. I've heard leftists pushing plenty of crazy and harmful ideas, such as masking under twos in daycare. Both sides of the political spectrum have done some bad things.

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

I mention the far-right in the summary because, as you will see in the video, the claim "ivermectin saved Japan" claim originated specifically on the far right before making its way over the course of two months to more mainstream outlets. I didn't realise that fact until doing the research for this video.

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@alunjones3860 "He mentioned the far-right in the summary, which hints of a political bias to this one." Speaking the truth is not bias.

[@user-ok7nw3hd4k]

@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg It is not a left or right issue mate, it is an understanding of the conceptual function of what Ivermectin does to viruses. Instead of depending on authority or politics, perhaps try conceptual reasoning, Understanding with precision how Ivermectin blocks viral replication in the same manner that you can understand why a combustion engine actually functions independent of consensus or group think. Same for Hydroxy and Zinc, also greatly diminishes viral replication. No faith in authority is required, only reason, understanding and logic.

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@user-ok7nw3hd4k "It is not a left or right issue mate" It shouldn't be but you must have been living under a rock if you think that was actually the case. wow! "Ivermectin blocks viral replication" That requires qualification. Ivermectin blocks viral replication in a cell culture at doses two orders of magnitude higher than is achievable in human tissues and which would cause irreversible severe neurological damage it if was achievable. "No faith in authority is required, only reason, understanding and logic." Except that reason, understanding, and knowledge sadly failed you just now, Mr Magic Trick.

[@DC-wt2vi]

Thanks for this thought provoking analysis, Prof Greg. The engineering of pseudo-news and the amplification process is fascinating. Ivm rang loudly as inappropriate against a virus, because I already knew its effect is on the parasite's nervous system. As an antiparasitic, it is too valuable in terms of human and animal health to squander in an alternative context that runs the risk of allowing parasites to gain resistance to it.

[@philxray666]

Oh another Susan Oliver fan club member, fancy bumping into you lot here............ NOT!!

[@vrencan9735]

I like the way you analyze and break down these topics. Truly valuable work! What you do is needed now more than ever.

[@silversun119]

Thank you for another informative video Professor Greg

[@philxray666]

Oh another Susan Oliver fan club member, fancy bumping into you lot here............ NOT!!

[@silversun119]

@@philxray666 and who are you? 😂

[@philxray666]

@@silversun119 I visit Oliver's comments section to get a laugh but as she has blocked me on the untrue claim I said a mean thing about her dog I can no longer challenge her selective strawman claims. I believe it's in fact because I exposed a few truths she was not willing to debate me on well over a year ago now. She knows the true reason so go ask her the exact quote I made concerning her dog and on what video it was made. She won't because it does not exist.

[@silversun119]

@@philxray666 I left a special comment for you on Dr Oliver's latest clip 😘

[@philxray666]

@@silversun119 I finally wasted some time went over to check it out. God you're ignorant! You think I'd bother opening a new account to post over there again? DiamDiam is Chris H Dumbo. I note you never requested Oliver repeat the quote I made regarding her dog and M O backed it up with the same claim..... that's because there is no quote I made concerning her dog. I'm a dog lover! Cats are another story. It was an excuse to remove me like she's done with dozens more getting too close to exposing her.

[@joseamilcarsalgadolainez3586]

Ivermectin is excellent. Thanks doctor.

[@blu3_enjoy]

Interesting alternate hypothesis

[@stevewhocares9970]

What a great explanation

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

Thank you!

[@randallanderson1632]

I am glad to see another video is coming. I will say that I might recommend a different photo in the video's announcement. The one currently used looks like a photo of my facial expression during the first seconds of a digital exam.

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

LOL, fair enough

[@NikkiTrudelle]

I’d love to see you do a video on the safety of leghemoglobin( heme derived from soy) used in imitation burgers. If you search it on KZbin, all of the videos says it is harmful. I feel that the people espousing this are wrong. Because it’s been tested and approved in many countries , at the concentration it’s used as an additive. There is a specific dr’s video on it that I think you could respond to with possibly a different take.

[@NikkiTrudelle]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHicpYJnlJdjl6M This is the video that a dr made on it

[@oldgaffer9212]

Where are you ??????

[@JK_JK_JK]

What is the Covid-related mortality for non-elderly persons with no comorbidities?

[@cloud2discokaraoke17]

Thanks Prof Greg. Your videos are always appreciated. I wondered if you’ve seen Dr John’s offerings lately and what your views are on his latest favourite topic - excess deaths worldwide, implying that as these deaths appear to be cardiovascular and not respiratory, that perhaps a certain medical intervention is the cause. My argument would be that without this intervention respiratory excess deaths would be far higher than their cardiovascular counterparts are now. But just wondered what your views are? Any credibility to his latest theory or more DJC bunkum?

[@Marco-it2mr]

Well, the problem starts with the claim these excess deaths are "cardiovascular" in nature. The evidence for this is conspicuously absent. I know Malhotra once tried to make this claim using a BHA report, but that one showed *fewer* ischemic heart disease cases in 2022 compared to 2021 and compared to 2020.

[@williamverhoef4349]

Apparently, Johnny doesn't think that spending a fortnight on a ventilator because of an overwhelming respiratory tract infection increases your chance of death over the following months and years. And, of course, there is no evidence that the excess deaths are cardiovascular. But even if they were, the risk of myocarditis is 7 times greater and 5 times more likely to be severe after the infection so, even then, the cause is far more likely to be the consequence of infection. But Johnny knows he's lying. He's more interested in his bank account than looking after public health. He is a disgrace to his profession of nursing.

[@Marco-it2mr]

@@williamverhoef4349 "He is a disgrace to his profession of nursing." Allow me to correct that for you: He is a disgrace to humanity.

[@valeriebarnes653]

Dr Susan Oliver at back to the science has just released a video debunking Campbells excess deaths nonsense.

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@valeriebarnes653 Thank you, I'll go there now.

[@stephenperretti8847]

I'd feel better about your message if you used a phrase other than "misinformation". How about "wrong".

[@roystonrichards1556]

I often wonder if Oxford Principle trial on ivermectin ever got finished, perhaps some dear soul can inform me, thanks.

[@TheAtt22]

Good question. 👍

[@bordersw1239]

Ivermectin wasn’t the only drug on trial, five in total I think.

[@williamverhoef4349]

I was going to respond but I am not "some dear soul" so I will leave you in ignorance which, I am pretty sure, is your preferred state in any case. After all, if you really wanted to know you would have gone to their website.

[@roystonrichards1556]

@@williamverhoef4349 Indeed, I'm totally ignorant of the result of the Oxford trial on ivermectin. Last I heard it got halted because they "ran out of ivermectin", a drug that is as easily available as aspirin.

[@roystonrichards1556]

@@bordersw1239 Thanks, any results published on the other four do you know?

[@Ron_the_Skeptic]

Apparently Ivermectin did not save Japan because it was not widely used. That doesn't say anything about the efficacy of ivermectin. The most interesting part of this video was regarding poor quality control in the manufacture or distribution of the inoculant.

[@DC-wt2vi]

Please explain how ivermectin, a neurotoxin, acts in the presence of covid-19, a systematic cardiovascular disease.

[@diannehenderson9743]

Good video but ditch the music. It is just plain annoying and makes it difficult to concentrate on the content.

[@williamverhoef4349]

MO, your last two replies to me that I found in my inbox do not appear here. I am happy for you to post any of my replies in your thread.

[@MysticOblong]

Since Iver Mec-Tin deleted the threads yet again and the comment has not reappeared my question to you about pasting in your comments was no longer relevant and deleted. Thanks, if he pastes in that comment again your former efforts will return.

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@MysticOblong I think he knows he has been defeated. But it probably took no effort on his part. That long spiel is almost certainly saved somewhere ready to be copy pasted even when it is largely irrelevant, as in this case

[@MysticOblong]

@@williamverhoef4349 Yes that "content" was probably prepared and ready to paste. Interesting he says on his channel's About page, 'no content will be posted by me on this so called "platform".'

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@MysticOblong Well, we already know that he is a deceitful and dishonest player, so that's no surprise.

[@philxray666]

Oh another Susan Oliver fan club member, fancy bumping into you lot here............ NOT!!

[@generalbacardi3863]

Noise

[@pavelzee69]

Interesting. What are your thoughts on whether Ivermectin can or cannot prevent/effectively treat covid?

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

Almost surely not. The best trials show no significant effect. In addition, the proposed mechanisms of action have only been tested in vitro, and it would be virtually impossible to reach the concentrations required in the human body for the proposed mechanism to work.

[@philxray666]

@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg So based on that are you saying that nirmatrelvir and ritonavir as well as molnupiravir as the "approved" anti-virals have to be far more effective in vitro than Ivermectin? If not, explain why their mechanisms of action would have any reason at all to be any more effective given orally like IVM?

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

@@philxray666 The proposed mechanism for ivermecin against covid would require an intracellular concentration of ~20-50 micromolar. As an anti-parasitic, it works at a thousand-fold LESS concentration (1-10 nanomolar). That's part of the reason it's so safe. But ivermectin is also not very "bioavailable", meaning if you keep increasing the dose of ivermectin you give to an individual, it doesn't continue to increase the amount in the body. Pharmacokinetic studies have never achieved anywhere near the in vivo concentrations required based on the in vitro experiments. For nirmatrelvir, it's quite different. The protease inhibitor works at extremely low (sub-nanomolar concentrations) and is more bioavailable. Co-administration of the protease inhibitor with ritonavir increases the half life of the protease inhibitor by slowing down drug metabolism. There is simply no issue reaching the required concentration in humans. molnupiravir has a very different mechanism, and I'm not as supportive, but like nirmatrelvir there are no issues with reaching the required concentration in humans to have an effect against SARS-CoV-2.

[@philxray666]

@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg Interesting. Thanks for that, although my personal experience with Ivermectin and covid would suggest otherwise. Of course, that's all just anecdotal.

[@trp956s]

I liked the music too!

[@mikewilder6728]

Misinformation is certainly your favorite word! That word doesn't mean anything anymore.

[@jimkofron8638]

Th "safe and effective" narrative is bunk.

[@MarcosElMalo2]

John Campbell’s tell is when he conspiratorially grumbles about information being suppressed. Or perhaps is tell is as simple as him opening his mouth.

[@MysticOblong]

Thanks, really interesting video. No doubt we'll be seeing their rhetorical tactics in play in the comments here. Probably lacking all self-awareness because they didn't watch the video. John Campbell's comments these days are full of people from the political fringes. It's 4chan for retirees.

[@philxray666]

@@MysticOblong You must have spent so many hours searching for the offending comment that never existed in the first place. Next time, don't take Dr Oliver's word on why I was blocked. I'll remove the rest of my comments now but if I ever see malicious fabrications about me again you can expect something similar in return.

[@MysticOblong]

​@@philxray666 "if I ever see *malicious fabrications* about me again *you can expect something similar* in return". Great admission you maliciously lie about others.

[@philxray666]

@@MysticOblong You are definitely lacking something. Logic? Common sense? Brain cells? IQ? Apparently in your world you think "something similar" means "exactly the same" while at the same time admitting it was a malicious fabrication from yourself in doing so. You've edited it once so I'd advise doing a second edit quickly to cover for your own admission of guilt.

[@joboehm4576]

Great work Prof! Perhaps you could do a video on ‘Safe and effective - to protect yourself and others’. Also Dr punk why Africa (except south) and Papua have such slow vaccination (mRNA) rate and such slow Covid rate 🙏

[@calvinbrowne2126]

In South Africa, the "slow covid rate" was bought with 300k+ excess deaths. If you don't die, natural immunity is a thing.

[@aq9415]

Demographics. Africa is young.

[@lindaward]

​@@aq9415 And the testing rate is very, very low.

[@aq9415]

@@lindaward Very true. I just assumed that the user couldn't possibly be talking about cases, because they are obviously not comparable.

[@joboehm4576]

So, the risk benefit for young healthy… Hmm, testing? How many cycles? Are you still considered I’ll even with no or minimal symptoms just because a 25/30 or more PCR test is positive?

[@daviddunne4737]

It is at this point that John Campbell went off the deep end and into a darker place . John Campbell had statred well for a good while but has gone downhill with a lot of 'dodgy guests' . He has gone over to the 'dark side ' he has caused a ' disturbance in the force ' so to speak . Good report here , thanks .

[@jakerogers7218]

Don't talk so bloody wet!!!

[@denniswilson1903]

Uttar Pradesh

[@BudsPrintingSupply]

I enjoyed your last video on John Campbell's nonsense. I could not get through this one. The music was incredibly loud and distracting.

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

Thanks for letting me know. Still new at this!

[@williamverhoef4349]

A few have commented on this, but I can't even remember that there was background music. Weird.

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

@@williamverhoef4349 RIght? I kind of like background music, but it turns out that one of my monitors was off when I was doing the editing, so I had it up too much. At any rate, I'd rather have it low enough that it doesn't bother even the most sensitive people. So if I do it again, I'll lower the volume quite a lot.

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg I will have to listen to the video again. I honestly do not remember any interfering background music.

[@solarnaut]

32:37 " Encouraging distrust in conventional sources is a very common tactic in disinformation." 35:00 "MISINFORMATION TELLS : 1) Easy Answers to Complex Questions; 2) Avoiding Detailed Critique; 3) Cultivating Distrust; 4) Not Making Progress; and, 5) Movement of an Idea From the Fringes, Using the Means Above . "

[@williamverhoef4349]

Did you forget your point?

[@swally4704]

@@williamverhoef4349 lol

[@icytides]

Hi, could you do a video about the excess deaths situation continuing on in to 2023? Campbell and his followers seem to be convinced it’s because of the vaccines.

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

data shows the unvaccinated dying at a higher rate for all causes and age groups, it's not the vaccines.

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

....ONS data

[@williamverhoef4349]

Here are the causes of excess deaths: - reduced life expectancy of those who got infected without the benefits of vaccination and suffered irreparable severe heart and lung damage as a result. - delayed treatment of other health conditions because of a health care system overwhelmed by COVID-19 because if the egregious activities of "freedom fighters", and the anti-vaccine industry and their useful deluded fools. The vaccines saved 15 million lives and could have saved another 15 million if not for inequitable distribution, and the egregious activities of the "freedom fighters", and the anti-vaccine industry and their useful deluded fools.

[@christopherrobinson7541]

That would be a very good idea. There are several fundamental issues with estimating excess deaths which Campbell does not understand. 1) excess deaths = total deaths - 5 year average deaths (expected deaths) The 5 year average deaths do not take into account population changes, such as an aging population, immigration, etc. As the population increases the total deaths increase in proportion, but the 5 year average deaths does not increase, it is always under estimated. The result is that excess deaths will be positive even in a normal year. 2) The age range is important. In the UK the Excess Mortality Tool, which Campbell has used recently to look at excess deaths in young people, uses the date range 2015 - 2019. The population increases by 0.34% which results in a 5% increase in population, which is directly reflected in the excess deaths. One advantage of this date range is that COVID-19 years are excluded. 3) The ONS excess deaths are calculated with the 5 year average deaths using a different data range. For 2021 2015 to 2019 For 2022 2016 to 2019 and 2021 (excluding 2020) For 2023 2017 to 2019 and 2021 & 2022 (excluding 2020) An advantage of this date range is that the errors due to changes in the population are less; however the disadvantage is that the baseline is contaminated with COVID-19 years. As the virus incidence occurs in waves this introduces considerable volatility to these data, particularly when viewed weekly. To obtain a clearer picture these data are best viewed using a 4 week rolling average. 4) Public holidays introduce glitches as the reports of deaths are delayed. This is particularly an issue with holidays, such as Easter, that do not fall in the same week each year. The COVID-19 deaths (for the same periods as reported for excess deaths) account for a little less than 4% of the excess deaths (and is falling). When combined with the 5% due to population change, gives 9%. The latest ONS report gives the weekly excess deaths as 9.4%. The 4 week rolling average is 7.8%. IMHO: In the UK there is not a problem with excess deaths, the issue is that how this metric is calculated is not understood and this ignorance is being used to spread misinformation.

[@silversun119]

Campbell and his followers are fools

[@squirrelnamedshoji]

One huge "misinformation tell" is, the speaker reads off of cue cards because the timing of the uploaded info is more important than the memorization and deep understanding of the argument or topic. The timing is most important because the party paying (monetary or otherwise) for his services put a deadline on it.

[@alunjones3860]

Plenty of people said the same thing about face coverings. Please do a video about the level of evidence to support their efficacy and misinformation pushed about them.

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

Show us who said face coverings saved Japan, or any country, from covid 19 and I guess we could then respond to your straw man

[@alunjones3860]

@@NonFlyiingDutchman Why do you think it's a strawman? John Campbell said Japan did well with COVID-19 because they practice a culture of wearing facemasks.

[@alunjones3860]

@@NonFlyiingDutchman I've also not heard anyone make any claims about Japan doing well due to ivermectin. It seems like a silly argument. If anyone were to make such a crazy claim, they would choose a country or region where ivermectin is widely used, such as much of sub-Saharan Africa, which also did very well.

[@Lily-Bravo]

I think a politician there suggested it and certain people in other countries took that to mean it was going to be adopted. I saw that repeated a lot.

[@alunjones3860]

@@Lily-Bravo Politicians have suggested all sorts of things which lack solid evidence: ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, facemasks, vaccinating infants etc. Some of them were supported by authorities such as the WHO, whist others were considered to be misinformation and bad.

[@Rareos]

Wasn't the benefit / effect of ivermectin more associated with prophylactic use? Therefore seeing the peaks of deaths and use lining up is kind of unsurprising, if not expected. The road to covid caused death was on average long enough to mean any point on the death tracking line would be more associated with the drug's use some weeks earlier. ... directly correlating them is arguably misleading.

[@Marco-it2mr]

"Wasn't the benefit / effect of ivermectin more associated with prophylactic use?" Was it? It's just part of the ever-changing narrative about ivermectin: too little, too late, unless the paper shows a benefit, than even very late and much less is just fine...

[@oldgaffer9212]

Are you still alive?

[@drewb1263]

This chanel has gone very quiet since the data is sbowing continued and growing excess deaths

[@davidpamely217]

An impressive demonstration of your methodology and how to analyse with integrity. I also appreciated the pace of talking to give viewers time to absorb and consider the issues and points raised. For me, Ivermectin is a side issue as I no longer trust official statistics. What is your view on the protection claimed by the vaccines? Are the vaccines actually ‘gene therapy’? Is there a potential link between so-called vaccines and the widespread increase in heart inflammation? And, for that matter, are we seeing higher numbers of deaths which the UK Government refuses to investigate? Good luck with any or all of those and I hope you keep your funding streams at university.

[@Lily-Bravo]

No upvotes? I wonder why not?

[@williamverhoef4349]

My reply regarding his faux compliments and JAQing off has been deleted.

[@davidpamely217]

You are missing my point. I genuinely want people with the qualifications and integrity to be leading a scientific analysis of what has happened during the whole ‘Covid’ period. Andrew Bridgen, Member of Parliament in the UK, who has a science degree, relevant to the ‘Covid’ debate, asked questions using official statistics to seek answers on how the Government reached unsupportable conclusions. The antithesis of scientific debate occurred and the Commons debating chamber emptied and Bridgen was thrown out of his political party. When the senior health officer in Texas is removed from social media, online chat hosts blatantly refuse to read science papers and ‘opinion’ is more valued than fact I have ask, where are the professors of the scientific community? I can only conclude they are mindful of the jeopardy to their careers if they start pointing out questionable statistics and events. By speaking out, Professor Greg appears to be entering the ‘Covid’ arena but is not actually doing so. Pseudo science, censorship and blatant intimidation has left room for opinion pushers and the weak methodology of people like John Campbell to go largely unchallenged. However the real issue is where are the professors who are leading genuine debate on the CENTRAL ‘Covid’ issues? I don’t see them.

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@davidpamely217 The following give you away: - Ivermectin is a side issue. - I no longer trust official statistics. - What is your view on the protection *claimed* by the vaccines? - Are the vaccines actually ‘gene therapy’? - Is there a potential link between so-called vaccines and the widespread increase in heart inflammation? - are we seeing higher numbers of deaths which the UK Government refuses to investigate? - Good luck with any or all of those and I hope you keep your funding streams at university. - Andrew Bridgen, Member of Parliament in the UK, who has a science degree, relevant to the ‘Covid’ debate. - the professors ... are mindful of the jeopardy to their careers if they start pointing out questionable statistics and events. - Professor Greg appears to be entering the ‘Covid’ arena but is not actually doing so. - Pseudo science, censorship and blatant intimidation - where are the professors who are leading genuine debate on the CENTRAL ‘Covid’ issues? Pull the other one! With friends like you....

[@christopherrobinson7541]

@@davidpamely217 Bridgen is not a credible source.

[@walterwhite1]

THE CLOT SHOT WAS A SCAM DUDE

[@yorkiemike]

Nice one, well argued.

[@ceeemm1901]

Hey, where have you been? Give John Campbell a call! He wants to talk grown-up shit with you! Him, with Govt and Official data and you with rhetoric from the Govt trying to say that their data is not their data..or something- "I'M SO CONFUSED!"- Vinnie Barbarino. He wants to know how you get bakshesh from pharmaceutical companies...shhhhhhhh!.... keeep it quiet, we don't want the cash-cow/plebs to know, ok?

[@Marco-it2mr]

"He wants to talk grown-up shit with you!" He doesn't. Campbell has been evading any and all discussions with people who show him to be wrong, because the narcissistic a$$hole cannot handle being shown wrong. Go complain to Campbell for being such a coward. Ask him how he suddenly increased his company's income by some 800,000 pound in 2022, and how much he is earning now. Talking about cash-cows, misinforming gullible fools like you sure is working well for him!

[@vicpso1]

Interesting. I can see the game here and strident talk when Dr . Campbell wasn't making up his studies! And all the rah rah talk nasties hanging on "yeah man you go get 'em" fools without understanding how gentle and carefull he is about what he is saying without looking as closely as he has at multiple studies before he does his videos. Because you make it about HIM , I know you are the ruse. And he WAS one of you! Except he got a conscience.

[@seringbojang9366]

Invite guests for discussion. Going solo in your little cellar lying about stuff is not helpful

[@markphan9920]

Another mouthpiece.

[@alunjones3860]

Sorry, I forgot to say I do find your videos interesting and informative, even though I don't always agree with your opinions, as no doubt you've gauged by some of my other comments. I'm more interested in why Japan has done so well, compared to most Western countries, especially given their ageing population and lack of strict social distancing measures. It clearly isn't ivermectin, which I think is a truly bizarre idea. Facemasks have been debunked, so it's not that. It doesn't appear to be vaccination, as the numbers doses per capita there, are lower than many other countries. I suspect it's more likely their diet is much more healthy: rice, vegetables, seafood and tofu, with minimal processed food and red meat. It could also be their culture, which is less sociable i.e. it's more desirable for one to appear to be seen as introverted, rather than life and soul of the party. No, of course I'm not saying they're anti-social.

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

Thanks, I appreciate your interest even when we disagree. I do differ regarding face masks: face masks haven't been "debunked" at all, and may well have been a significant factor for Japan, where masking was already accepted before Covid. But it is the case that some comorbidities (such as obesity) are lower in Japan than in many Western countries. Vaccination is actually reasonably high in Japan. Societal norms play a role in any location. Japanese society is very polite (that's both a generalisation and reflects my personal experience in Japan). So even though some locations, like the subway, can be very crowded, I've never met a "close talker" in Japan. People don't shake hands as a regular greeting except perhaps to Westerners. And on it goes.

[@barbarastevenson6900]

​@@ProfGregTuckerKellogg Goodness me Professor, you don't look at all well, apart from the obvious lbs, you are a strange colour & skin has an odd sweaty appearance, I am really concerned for your health.

[@williamverhoef4349]

"Facemasks have been debunked, so it's not that" Nonsense. Compare with the US where not wearing a mask seems to be a badge of honour for a sizeable percentage of half the population. In Japan, masks are far more culturally acceptable. There is also a far better communications infrastructure across the country compared with the US were each state seems to be a law unto themselves, and a far greater respect for the advice of epidemiologists and virologists. "I suspect it's more likely their diet is much more healthy: rice, vegetables, seafood and tofu, with minimal processed food and red meat. " At the very most diet may possibly have helped by about 5% at most. It cannot possibly explain a mortality rate over the pandemic in Japan that was less than 20% of that in the USA. " No, of course I'm not saying they're anti-social." Of course not. As opposed to the US where a sizeable percentage of half the population is interested only in themselves and couldn't care less about anyone else including, apparently, their own family and friends. The impact of that was huge.

[@williamverhoef4349]

@@barbarastevenson6900 On the other hand you look like you're covered in blood. Not just on your hands either.

[@toodifficulttodance]

@@barbarastevenson6900 'you don't look at all well' oh, is this from the 2023 antivaxx handbook? I see that it's the hottest new mantra amongst your flock,.

[@CHGLongStone]

Missed the part where almost no one needed to be "saved from covid"

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

the 7 million who died would have liked to have been saved.

[@CHGLongStone]

@@NonFlyiingDutchman given the severe adverse reaction rate to the mRNA jabs was orders of magnitude higher than the risk from any of the covid variants, how does that work 🤡

[@NonFlyiingDutchman]

@@CHGLongStone the unvaccinated are dying at a higher rate, all causes, all ages groups, that's how it works🤡

[@diandian9827]

​@@CHGLongStone What "severe adverse reaction rate"? Citation needed. And if you quote VAERS or yellow card databases, you'll be laughed out of here.

[@williamverhoef4349]

" almost no one needed to be "saved from covid"" Hmmm...15 million is "almost no one"? And that's not even considering the 15 million more that could have been saved if not for inequitable distribution of the vaccines, the activities of the conspiracy prone "freedom fighters", and the misinformation spread by the anti-vaccine industry and their useful fools like this incredibly naive human specimen.

[@vladistalewski3417]

It looks that you are, sir, quite biased and do not even realize it while shaming, gaslighting and libeling newsoutlets but not trying to provide your credentials as well as challenging your imaginary opponets in real time debate or discussion

[@Marco-it2mr]

Oh, the usual "whiiiiiinnnnnnnnneeeeeeeee, I cannot rebut anything you say, so I'll just come with some vague complaints".

[@angelinebriscoe-sperling8177]

Dear Greg, I used to respect you so much but this video is pathetic in a time when we have so much going on. That an antiviral helps with a virus is a given. How much and in how far would be a personal experience. But, Greg, can you not move on and read perhaps a few studies about the effects of the measures and generally reflection on our experience with Covit. There are so many things to be examined with an analytical mind. The obvious one needs more attention. Greetings!

[@aq9415]

"That an antiviral helps with a virus is a given." - It's an antiparasitic, not an antiviral.

[@angelinebriscoe-sperling8177]

@aq9415 not only.

[@lindaward]

​​@@angelinebriscoe-sperling8177 What evidence is there that ivm is an anti-viral?

[@MysticOblong]

Did you watch the video? It's a look with hindsight at the genesis and spread of misinformation; the rhetorical tactics used and the "misinformation tells" to look out for. Obvious lying with the "I used to respect you so much but..." Next you'll be telling us you are his cousin..

[@Marco-it2mr]

"That an antiviral helps with a virus is a given. " Ten molar sulfuric acid is an antiviral, too. Go and drink some (better not, you WILL die). A compound capable of killing viruses is not by definition an antiviral, although plenty people try to sell it as such anyway. It's all about their effectiveness under the required conditions. Bleach works fine as an 'antiviral' for external surfaces, not when ingested. Ivermectin works as an antiviral in a test tube...at concentrations far higher than can be achieved in vivo. Hence, ivermectin is not an antiviral for human use.

[@user-ok7nw3hd4k]

Saved India as well, we didn't have massive deaths here until the Clot Shot was released, fortunately only one of the 3 vaccines here were clot shots.

[@mantizshrimp]

I think what the video is gonna tell us is that Ivermectin doesn't help, but we will see..

[@ProfGregTuckerKellogg]

Ivermectin didn't really do anything for India either. Good clinical trials have generally shown no benefit from ivermectin for Covid, but the myth of ivermectin for Covid in India, like that in Japan, is built on a story that is belied by the evidence.

[@a3lfeoxld]

How to spot someone who is disingenuous, they use pejorative language e.g. "clot shot"

[@theopeterbroers819]

@@Lily-Bravo Ivermectin disappoints in India Feb 5, 2022 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gIaVdHmoitlrrKM

[@bordersw1239]

I would have said that a country that was running out of firewood because of the number of bodies it was burning tells another story.

[@oldgaffer9212]

Where are you??????