Climate Change: A Revised Prediction - Steven Chu | Endgame

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Nobelist, physicist, Stanford professor, Steven Chu talks about the updated story of climate change, the unheard story behind his Nobel Prize & time in public service, and how he thinks that meritocracy is at risk.
Professor Steven Chu is the William R. Kenan Jr. Professor at Stanford University, the 1997 Nobel Laureate in Physics for the "development of methods to cool and trap atoms with laser light," and the 12th US Secretary of Energy.
The host, Gita Wirjawan is an Indonesian educator and entrepreneur. He is currently teaching at Stanford as a visiting scholar at the university’s Walter H. Shorenstein Asia Pacific Research Center (APARC).
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Chapters
0:00:00 - Intro
0:02:32 - Shaping a Nobel Laureate
0:14:21 - Progressive Scientists
0:35:47 - Public Service
0:42:33 - Climate Realism
1:00:25 - Net Zero Challenge
1:10:25 - Reversing the Threat
1:23:07 - Science Over Politics

[@clivepierce1816]

A fascinating interview but, as a retired atmospheric scientist I cannot concur with Chu’s optimism regarding technological fixes for climate change. At +1.2 Celsius, climate impacts already pose an existential threat to ecosystems on land and in the sea, hence also to our food and water supplies. Furthermore, the cumulative environmental and socioeconomic impacts of every additional tenth of a degree will be markedly non-linear. We simply do not have the leeway to wait several decades for billion tonne scale, renewable energy powered CDR, and as our global food and water supplies falter it would be naive to assume the continued stability of the socioeconomic systems capable of delivering coordinated mitigating interventions.

[@danblack4033]

Indeed. It has been too late for some time. The idea that something can be done to lessen the vast problems you describe speaks to the fantasy of dramatic television consumption. I'm realistically getting my affairs in order and advising others not to plan for the future.🪦

[@SephirothRyu]

The worst possible future revolves around even the possibility of basically all algae dying as the ocean ph goes enough below ph 8. And how some theories sugguest things could happen based on that. The big issue with ocean PH is that things are happening really fast. In another time, weathering of rocks could actually counteract the ph issue. Worst case scenario, as in absolute worst case, the ocean goes back to emitting hydrogen sulfide after the algae dies and the surface goes anoxic and.... yeah, bad days if the ocean turns toxic and emits gasses that are especially bad for, say, mammals.

[@MultiDarkElf]

Global population keeps increasing, yet this is never mentioned, and it's the root of the problem. Glad I have no children to have to explain our predicament.

[@EvolutionWendy]

​@@MultiDarkElfconcur. Having no children IS my explanation of the catastrophic harm caused by human venality.

[@rdallas81]

​@@MultiDarkElfindustrialization. Not population growth. Grow up.

[@oktoharyanto2588]

Terimakasih pak gita, saya ayah 3 orang anak dengan kehidupan yg sangat sederhana. Banyak nonton podcast andgame saya jadi ngerti apa yg harus saya perbuat untuk ke tiga anak saya. Dinegara ini untuk mendapatkan pendidikan yg berkualitas internasional harus bayar mahal,bagaimana mungkin anak2 saya atau anak2 yg orang tuanya dengan pendapatan umr bisa mencicipi pendidikan yg berkualitas karena biayanya yg sangat luar biasa besarnya. Jalan satu2nya yg harus saya lakukan. membaca kembali buku2 fisika,matematika,kimia,biologi,sejarah,astornomi dan yg lainnya. lalu saya menceritakan kembali kepada mereka dengan harapan mereka cinta ilmu pengetahuan,mengasah critical thinking dan menjadikan literasi budaya dirumh. Podcast andgame memberikan saya banyak inspirasi,terimakasih pak gita dan team.

[@JayDao1462]

💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽❤️🙏🏽

[@mirawatilestari3151]

Pak Octo please try learn english for your self n ur kids. Dengan menguasai bahasa Inggris, anda dan anak2 bisa mempelajari ilmu apa saja dengan hanya bermodalkan paket data dan smartphone. Wish all the best for you n ur family.

[@Eye_Exist]

it's incredible how much they are able to talk about it without anyone ever mentioning the obvious fact that the handful of international companies and governments who control the production and trade could stop it today *_if they wanted_*

[@imtryinghere1]

Ridiculous. There would be riots in the streets due to hunger, job loss, poverty. Love how idiots mindlessly think some other entity like 'corporations' are responsible, when it requires enormous sacrifice by average and poor people.

[@Eye_Exist]

@@imtryinghere1 ​we have fully functional infrastructure to sustain food and housing and basic modern living for everyone on this planet. it's only a matter of how the yield is distributed. riots occur when the distribution is uneven enough. quite contrary to your idiotic belief it's the current artificial economical model which keeps the even distribution from happening and causes the mass poverty led by small group of rich people.

[@imtryinghere1]

@@Eye_Exist the infrastructure is largely powered by cheap energy driven by fossil fuels. institute a $2.00 per gallon carbon tax on gas to cover the cost of emissions and that alone will get a revolt, not to mention raising food prices 100-300% for zero emissions transportation costs and increasing the cost of fertilizer which is almost entirely driven by natural gas. you're delusional. it's not driven by a group of rich people, it's driven by everyone who wants a car, food, transportation, electricity.

[@Eye_Exist]

@@imtryinghere1 the infrastructure is entirely powered by chinese slaves we are taught to call "cheap labor" and never talk about them. and indeed it is driven by the rich people and the circulating money and the artificial global economic system we live in. you are creating your own straw men to beat there with the prices. you don't need carbon tax or increase in transportation cost. the rich men are only ones who need carbon tax for everything to stay as profitable for them as it has been to this point. as i said, the infrastructure to provide well being for everyone already exists, and the only thing that's preventing the even distribution is the current artificial economic system.

[@imtryinghere1]

@@Eye_Exist complete nonsense

[@ivandennysopit8792]

I appreciate the podcast, especially for featuring a Nobel laureate interview. It's rare for influencers to do so. This interview can be eye-opening for Indonesians, showcasing what a Nobel laureate is. President Obama's choice of Mr. Steven Chu as Secretary of Energy reflects the U.S.'s trust in science to solve problems. Lastly, I would like to introduce myself to Pak Gita and all members, I'm Ivan, currently living in New York City and studying Carbon Management. If you find yourself in NYC, let's grab coffee and chat.

[@BillyTheKidCENTURION]

Obama won the Nobel prize for peace, that tells you everything about the Nobel laureates. When a socialist, mediocre politician, gets an award for peace, that tells you something. There is no "Climate Crisis" and many Nobel Physicists agree.

[@joeymurdazalotmore6355]

I'm nyc, u in Brooklyn Ivan?

[@bennichols1113]

The anti carbon religion is bullshit.

[@gwirjawan]

Thank you, Ivan, for supporting this channel. Would love to hear more of your perspective on carbon neutrality realism discussed in this episode.

[@davidpeppers551]

Golden Rice. Is that a solution to vitamin A deficiency? Who holds that patent and when will they turn the screws? Why not yams, sweet potatoes, certain squashes? Why couldn't these be grown? Couldn't they be a more cost effective way to distribute the nutrition needed? They would also receive other needed nutrition at the same time. We had many millions put into the development of this privately owned genetically engineered product (as far as I know it hasn't been given for free in perpetuity)? During that development time, millions were malnourished. Too bad those millions couldn't have been spent on the seeds, tubers or starts of other crops that ALREADY have the beta carotene in abundance? Where us this discussion? Was that project an appropriate use of funds or scarce resources? Is it really an effective solution? Is it just another way to enslave the people to the multinational corporations?

[@ernststravoblofeld]

People will choose convenience over existence if the threat looks like it's a few years off.

[@michaelstimpson1137]

A few meaning three?

[@ernststravoblofeld]

@@michaelstimpson1137 It's unlikely we will all perish in the next 3 years. On the other hand, people are dying and displaced from climate change today. So, ok.

[@Homunculas]

Actuality, it seems everyone in this comment section has chosen sociopathy over rationality.

[@ernststravoblofeld]

@@Homunculas Are those some new words you're trying to use?

[@C_R_O_M________]

Absolute and utter nonsense! There is no crisis what soever!

[@shamskitz]

Re: GMOs. It's a bit disingenuous to claim that people who are against GMO crops are "afraid of science." That's a straw man. Ecology IS a science and one of its fundamental tenets is that natural ecosystems are far more complex than we can ever hope to fully understand. We have a terrible track record for assuming that we can predict the consequences of interfering with nature.

[@Spacemonkeymojo]

Being from Australia I've never heard of Professor Chu until today. What an inspirational human being!

[@bayudwiputra5677]

Asiik banget obrolannya. Manusia kalau taraf kepintarannya sudah sampai Nobel Laureates, ngobrolnya bisa sesantai dan selera humor yang menggelitik. Thank you Pak Gita, it deserves a second part.

[@kkob]

I'm just gutted such a brilliant man understands climate and solutions so poorly. The problem is not the economics... MMT. It's not the economics... Commons. And the resources don't exist for these things and, now, more importantly, neither does the time. How do they not know this? Ah... that's right... they know nothing of regenerative systems and can't conceive of lower consumption because that feels like failure to them when it would be correcting mistakes we made long ago. So unfortunate.

[@rasputozen]

How do you speak 1.5 hours on climate change and don't mention eating more plant-based even once? Instead just argue for carbon capture technologies that don't even exist, and that oil and gas companies are lobbying for to keep their party going. Everyone wants change but nobody is willing to change THEIR behaviors that contribute to the problem. Our zero accountability culture is the real problem that got us into this mess.

[@richdiana3663]

Once you reach human overshoot, you're screwed and we have and we are.

[@C_R_O_M________]

Nonsense!

[@idm_motivation_zaki]

Thanks pak Gita telah mengundang peraih nobel fisika😊

[@herial3996]

Seharusnya seperti itu,, Orang-orang yg memimpin sesuai dengan kompetensi nya,, bukan karena nepotisme nya. Pemilihan apapun itu,, mulia dari pemilihan kepala sekolah, kepala desa, kepala daerah, sampe padaa kepala negara,, semuanya harus sesuai kompetensi nya,, bukan karena banyaknya uang untuk menyogok. Hanya sebagian manusia masih belum memahami makna "inklusi dan berkelanjutan" Dalam pembangunan suatu negara.

[@amosbatto3051]

Listening to Steven Chu, you would never know that he was Minister of Energy under an administration that literally doubled natural gas and petroleum extraction in the US, because they chose to not crack down on pollution from fracking. They also chose to allow mountain top removal for coal to continue. They chose to not use the power that congress gave them to investigate the environmental problems with fracking. When Chu was serving, Obama came out with his "all of the above" energy policy during his first term that encouraged more fracking. Chu should have used the independence that Obama gave him to recommend that the Clean Power Plan and the stream protection rule be implemented immediately, rather than waiting till the end of the second term, when Trump could easily cancel them. Chu should have told Obama, carbon capture and storage is hogwash, so don't fund it. Then his moralizing about what is he going to tell his grandchildren is total BS. When did Chu tell Obama that he can't take the politically expedient path when dealing with climate change. After the Deepwater Horizon incident, Chu should have been pushing Obama to ban all future deep water drilling permits and to not authorize a single new pipeline in the US and not authorize new hydrocarbon extraction on federal lands. Chu could have recommended many policies that didn't require approval from congress. Chu could have pushed for heavy fines for BP, but instead he talks about how he had a good working relationship with the company in solving the crisis. Maybe if the American oil/gas majors had been pushed during the Obama years, they would now be investing in solar, wind and charging stations like the European majors. This interviewer should have pushed Chu on all these issues, yet instead we got Chu moralizing about what the youth should tell their grandparents. Really disgusting to watch this interview, once you know what actually happened under Chu's watch.

[@clearbrain]

Perfectly said....

[@bluegold21]

All I see in your comment is Chu this and Chu that. If it's not Chu it's Obama. But if you looked beyond what appears to be your not-so-closeted hate of those guys, you would know that the US economy is not run by the government. It is merely managed. And alot of that management is merely paper pushing even at the level of POTUS. So to go against such an embedded part of the economy like the oil comps ( Koch etc ) who have as Chu says, put themselves in every product possible to keep their consumers dependent on the product, is inherently dangerous. Not ( just ) because of votes but because complaints against their business models are stifled by the legally bound leases previous governments have given to them. You need majority support in all the branches to attack the source of all our problems. But it wasn't Obama who invented the MTG's and Clarence Thomas's of the world. The 2025 Heritage Foundation is neither Chu or Obama's benefactor. But the one who says Drill baby Drill is key to their soiling of the layperson's future.

[@hg6996]

Thanks for the interview. Mr. Chu is an impressive person.

[@sixvee5147]

“I accepted to come to this meeting to have a sober and mature conversation. I’m not in any way signing up to any discussion that is alarmist. There is no science out there, or no scenario out there, that says that the phase-out of fossil fuel is what’s going to achieve 1.5C.” - Sultan Al Jaber, President of COP 28, also CEO of Abu Dhabi National Oil Company Mukhtar Babayev will be the president for COP 29; he is also a former executive of the State Oil Company of Azerbaijian Republic. Seems more and more likely, scenario SSP5-8.5 of the IPCC assessment may come to fruition (or at least the higher end of the spectrum). I say enjoy what you can, while you still can; pity the generations to come.

[@anggarelegianickyputra8684]

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[@monkeyfist.348]

Fluctuations... a nice way to describe "depopulation events." Which is what we as humans, will face in time. Insurance companies have stated that once we see 100,000 people die from a climate event, high risk and medium risk insurance will not be available. Medium risk from climate events, describes most of the places humans live now. That is in the near future. It is nice to be optimistic but it is important to be realistic. Understand that what is demanded of us, is far beyond our abilities. That is not to say don't try! Try hard and never stop. Our future, for the next couple hundred years, will be a battle at every turn. One might concern themselves with where they live. It might be a matter of survival. Everyone needs to take their situation very seriously, especially those in high risk areas. Good luck everyone 🍀

[@grosvenorclub]

There was 300, 000 killed by a tsunami in asia years back and life went on and insurance was still available , no doubt higher premiums . Insurance is usually written for a 12 month period so they do not have to think years ahead .

[@monkeyfist.348]

@grosvenorclub , ya you missed the part about it being related to global warming. The expectation was for those deaths to be an indication of more ahead. Take up the issue with the insurance companies...lol! The paper was focusing on the US, so those are American deaths most likely. The insurance companies are already leaving high risk areas. It is only a matter of time...

[@thurstonhowellthetwelf3220]

​@@grosvenorclubnew risk profile now..

[@dorothysweatt2857]

Good Luck? How about JESUS?

[@monkeyfist.348]

@dorothysweatt2857 what does the Jewish Entertainment Society of the United States(JESUS) have to do with global warming?

[@klubstudintelektualgowa]

Great People. Dear Doktor Gita, semangat terus mencerdaskan bangsa melalui talkpod bapak.

[@thecityatlas]

This is really a great interview. Thank you from New York.

[@-LightningRod-]

Nukeular is stratospherically EXPENSIVE, with no exit Plan in a warming world that is increasing hard to find stable sources of water that are safe to use.

[@DSAK55]

exactly en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levelized_cost_of_electricity

[@welcometothefallofciviliza2917]

So shocked and disappointed when he compared bananas with man-made nuclear radiation from fukushima. Fukushima is the most radioactive place on Earth . Better to be safe and not eat from there. Fukushima will never return to being totally habitable, while banana eating is very safe because of homeostasis for the suns radiation.

[@joesmith942]

@@welcometothefallofciviliza2917 "homeostasis for the suns radiation." means absolutely nothing.

[@simplyme5324]

One of the best interviews I have listened to so far! We need more scientists in politics and more public funding for the sciences.

[@LowerYourExpectationsPleb]

wtf would make a scientist a good politician?

[@2aph0d_b33blebr0x]

It's the funding that's driving climate change.

[@C_R_O_M________]

Nonsense! You have no idea what you are talking about! Politics is the cancer! It aways was! Science needs to move away from dependence on politics or the cancer will metastasize. It already has! This is 100% political, 0% scientific.

[@piergaay]

If a scientist tell a lie, how would you find out? The more someones reputation is pushed forward, the less science remains. Just tell what and how something has been studied. Provide peer reviews, if possible. Leave others (you!) to judge.

[@tapak8330]

Hebat. Bisa meraih nobel bapak ini,,bagus dialog ini.

[@garybarr1045]

Yes, I weep for the younger generations of America and around the world for what we seniors have done to planet Earth. I had no children because planet Earth could barely support me, let alone any children I was to bring along. Thanks for this real-world presentation. Keep up the good work! We can't get enough of it!!!!!

[@johnleonard8328]

Turns out there's nothing to worry about everything is okay. "man-made" climate change is a hoax. . Not nearly as bad as the propaganda says.

[@onlyone2948]

New York City streets will look better with the ocean covering them.

[@DSAK55]

Once Ronnie Raygun was elected, the game was over. Everything since has just been "Smoke & Mirrors"

[@EchoDoctrine]

Agreed. Those years were fantastic for the elites and absolutely started the destruction of middle classes. Soon the elites will flee to their bunkers they afforded & filled with supplies thanks to Reagan tax cuts for wealthy & stock buybacks as the crops fail.

[@WJV9]

The 1.5 degree 'game was over' BUT we could still prevent the +3.0 degree change or the + 4.0 degree change. It's never 'too late' to save as much of the ecosystem as possible, so get out there and work for future of your grandkids.

[@user-xy5vz9si7y]

loveeeeee sama kontennya pak Gita,

[@glike2]

Thanks Mr Chu for the white roof paint idea, it works great!

[@ndavies8]

This podcast confirmed everything I feared. We are headed towards a drastically complex future.

[@Trip4man]

Many problems besides Climate Change actually... I would say that Climate Change is ONE of the EQUALLY serious problems that we're going to have. Yeah, you read it - Equally. Meaning there are also other problems at the SAME level as Climate Change. I would say that water is one of them for example... Because Water is so wasted and polluted it would take drastic worldwide changes to start caring for it. And the infra structures to do it are also no joke... They are big, smelly and power hungry. Btw I was able to spare THOUSANDS of liters just by changing ONE daily habit. If you're pissing on a flush toilet... You're not sparing water. And look... People will start to complain if you demand that they start pissing on bidets or wall toilets, they call it Authoritarianism you know... Can't tell people what to do... So yeah, you said it correctly, "complex future". When you start to suggest people change their habits... Which most of this stuff is actually about... You're entering Dangerous Territory. People won't take it lighlty

[@rasputozen]

The fat Americanization of the world was worth it though.

[@greenenigma]

or rather, a drastically simpler future kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6nVaqV_ht2qoJYsi=OYNLOf3VYPN8zHWi

[@pkerber]

“Drastically complex future” is putting it politely!

[@krox477]

If we invent agi then it may be possible to reverse climate change

[@TheDoomWizard]

Yeah we're toast. The living will envy the dead.

[@danblack4033]

Yes, it is infuriating that scientists held out a false hope. What did they have to fear with non-linear failure of crops, water, and society right around the corner. Why not just say we are all going to die and that it is too late?

[@anthoniozogen73]

bicara tetang Climate change, sepertinya perlu ada ruang diskusi bersama ARSITEK sebagai individu yg paling bertanggunjawab atas pembangunan, kepengen dengerin arsitek hebat dunia bicara tentang pembangunan kembali "TAMAN EDEN" yang telah dirusak kita semua.

[@PipoHargiyanto]

Insightful! 👏

[@boblossie3192]

A saying that I LOVE to tell people..... "We didn't inherit the world from our parents, we borrowed it from our children."

[@keepcreationprocess]

So, it is the end .....I knew it.....

[@boblossie3192]

I don't know how old you are, but I'm 67. I was in my late teens when the started selling "unleaded gasoline". They sold it because the government told car manufacturers they had to manufacture car engines that would not require the LEAD that was ADDED to gasoline to prevent engines from making an annoying "ping" noise. They did that because scientist discovered there were MASSIVE lead contaminations GLOBALLY - on land and ocean floors. They discovered children had massive levels of lead in their bodies because of of this. You may not know it - but household paints for walls and wood trim had "LEAD" in the paint. Children were found to have lead poisoning. POINT IS - it was NOT the end of humanity - they just made the collective decision to STOP adding LEAD to paint and gasoline. I could tell you about the discovery in "ASBESTOS" that was used for insolation was found to cause cancer? My brother worked in a glass factory that used asbestos. He died of "Mesothelioma Lung Cancer" which is directly attributed to exposure to Asbestos. What about CIGARETES and Lung Cancer? RJR Tobacco executives "testified" to congress that smoking cigarettes COULD NOT CAUSE Lung Cancer. I could go on and on about that one and how it's still legal because industry makes too much money to let it go. How about cars that now have required seatbelts and windshields made with "Safety Glass"? There are many, many more. These are all things I LIVED THROUGH. So did the world come to an end? ? ? ? No. We acknowledged what was causing a deadly problem - and "WE" fixed or changed it. But "WE" seem to be living in an environment now where people refuse to acknowledge that certain things are causing a problem or that there even is a problem So we are caught in the chaos. I'd be really curious it you took the time to read something I took me time effort to help you understand. I would GREATLY appreciate of you could reply to my reply with at least a sentence? Thank you, RKL @@keepcreationprocess

[@pcuimac]

Will be much more than +3°C and it will be unstopable, even if we did something that had an impact.

[@martin5504]

Due to "scientists" declaring different theories I now have a lot of trouble believing any of them.

[@muhammadaulia5298]

mantap permintaan saya dikabulkan, entar kalo saya udah kerja saya join membership nya buat bantu dan insentif tim endgame

[@Pratiquement-Durable]

Agriculture has a huge potential to capture carbone if we convert intensive chemical agriculture to "conservation agriculture". The potential is almost one tonne of carbone per ha per year for the first 5 to 10 years. At the Paris agreement in 2015 with the programm called "4 of 1000" it was decided to convert intensive griculture to "conservation agriculture". The full potential is close to 100 giga tonnes!

[@FrankieFTW42]

Regenerative farming could literally save the planet.

[@speciesofspaces]

Given the lower energy density of the renewables and the intermittent issue in terms of the source it makes rational sense we are looking at a future of less growth in many ways which means consume less even after the more sustainable sources come online at scale etc.

[@rasputozen]

And that would be a good thing that we should start implementing now to the best of our ability.

[@DistinctiveBlend]

are you even human? Consumption goes up, shareholders demand it. While there might be less growth there will still be growth, otherwise you've got a recession and that's terrible for shareholders.

[@rasputozen]

terrible for shareholders, yea and?@@DistinctiveBlend

[@svarog63]

The more sustainable sources will never come online at scale - there's not enough materials around, and the amount of mining required is not feasible. Even if we there were enough minerals and rare earths and stuff, basically everyone would have to work in the mining industry or be busy recycling the "renewable" devices.

[@rasputozen]

Humanity existed without ever using a drop of fossil fuels for the entirety of their existence up until the 1800s. This "not enough materials" take is pure propaganda to keep oil industries rich.@@svarog63

[@silentstrngrrr7998]

Pak gita terimakasih banyak…

[@shoobidyboop8634]

If the science is settled, what's the value of ECS? Look up "ECS IPCC" and learn how something as fundamental as ECS is as yet unknown. Most think it's 2C, but the IPCC cherry picked one paper (later proven wrong) that estimated it's 3.1C. Unknown, but most likely < 2C, which means no emergency.

[@gerrysusanto1447]

Please feature more discussions with Nobel laureates! It would be fascinating to hear insights on the latest breakthroughs in medicine or recent developments in peacekeeping efforts Pak

[@gwirjawan]

We are currently pursuing more. Stay tuned!

[@axeman2638]

Yeah interview John Clauser.

[@robertm3561]

​@@gwirjawan 1,5C is arguably here. 1,5-2,0C will go faster than 1,0-1,5 happened and from 2,0-2,5C will be faster than the previous 0,5C increase i.e. cc is accelerating. 3,0C will not be reach by the end of the century, but a lot sooner. There is so much stored carbon in the system, that if we don't apply geoengineering among other things, there will be tens of degrees C warming i.e. the end of all complex life forms on Earth(the radiation coming from failed nuclear power plants). To put it together, we should direct more resources towards various geo-engineering projects and fast.

[@roberttony001]

It is hard to predict increase of temperature. As it gets warmer the oceans absorb more energy and rainfall increases absorbing more energy. What will happen is the ice melt will increasing more rapidly as the temperature rises more at the poles than the equator. So you will get more ice melting with less rapid rise of temperature. Keep in mind sea level rise will be much higher at the equator, more accessible for heating and generating more cloud cover and rainfall. So globally a hot, humid muggy mess, with more tropical storms, with cities on low lying coastlines closer to the equator suffering the most from flooding. Not so much the planet burning alive, more about the more active movement of water, more rain and more storms, water from the poles to the equator. Low lying regions closer to the equator will suffer the most. The band of tropics will expand further north and south.

[@bablukumarghosh-9734]

Interesting and informative. Sustainability in developing nations is still in the complex stage

[@MrBallynally2]

You betcha. The west wants them and they reject them. Hydro carbons is their future. The west hinders their progress..

[@qwerangizinkhonk3228]

Pak Gita, Saya WNI yang kebetulan tinggal di NewYork....tadi saat Prof Chu cerita bahwa dia besar di Garden City entah mengapa saya merasa lebih dekat dengannya walaupun saya tinggal di Queens...anyway kebetulan sudah hampir 3 tahun saya mengembangkan sebuah konsep renewable energy dan beberapa bagian sudah saya buatkan prototipe-nya. Saya sangat ingin menawarkannya ke pemerintah Indonesia tapi saya tahu birokrasinya pasti akan sangat rumit dan bila bapak berkenan saya butuh pendapat bapak tentang hal ini, terimakasih 🙏🙏

[@arysulistyo3602]

Mohon di up nih

[@fajarprasetyo3487]

Fascinating talk, optimistic tone for future !! I am hoping this kind of conversation occurs instituationaly in our education system, thanks for bringing it to us Pak Gita

[@gwirjawan]

Optimistic yet realistic. Thanks for tuning in and becoming our member🙏🏻

[@fajarprasetyo3487]

​@@gwirjawan terima kasih sudah menyuguhkan narasi berkualitas utk Indonesia. As layman, we never thought that we'll be able to connect with the world great idea/brightest mind out there. Your dedication is an inspiration to us all. Proud to be Indonesian, Salam dari Manila Pak Gita, sehat selalu

[@genocidegrand2057]

thanks

[@KiamatChange-ke8nd]

Good talk.

[@isalutfi]

Hadir Menyimak. Terima kasih Pak Gita Wirjawan sudah menyajikan episode ini bersama Steven Chu (Nobelist, Physicist, Stanford Professor). Salam sehat selalu! ---- *Early Life* 02:32 - How did Steve become a scientist? 03:14 - What hooked him into physics? 04:46 - Role of influential teachers in Steve’s life 04:31 - Steve’s remarkable education journey 07:09 - Steve learned how to play tennis by reading a book 08:35 - Funny story about Steve doing an experiment in his house 11:13 - The bottom line of the success of prominent scientists : “They were discovering the rules by themselves out of textbooks. And that exploratory curiosity is what actually leads to new discoveries.” 11:43 - Current generation’s mechanical skill (or lack thereof) and its relationship with the evolution of creativity, innovation, and scientific discovery. | Steven Chu : We’re loosing built-in hand intuition in the younger generations. *Producing Another Einstein and Newton* 14:21 - Wisdom from Steve’s research that later led him to win the 1997 Nobel Prize in Physics 26:03 - Steven Chu : Most scientists think incrementally. While Einstein and Newton conceptually tried to look at the world differently and thus they invented the whole new math to prove their theories. Therefore, think beyond. *Meritocracy at Its Best* 35:47 - Nobel Laureate Turned Secretary of Energy *Climate Realism* 42:32 - Steve’s prediction 46:11 - Tackling the ‘Terawatt Challenge’ 49:59 - #GitaWirjawanLecture : Developed-developing country gap in addressing sustainability 52:20 - Steven Chu : “The rich countries have to help the poor countries.” 57:09 - Why is nuclear so unpopular? Fear (sentiment). *Carbon Neutrality : The Science, Tech & Policy* 1:00:25 - Tech vs Policy 1:05:14 - The reality of sustainability: We need carbon capture and sequestration technology 1:07:43 - Gita Wirjawan concerns about the plateauing carbon demand trend which reassured by Steve. 1:08:52 - Petrochemical threat to exacerbate the climate crisis *Reversing the Threat* 1:10:25 - Steven Chu : The 3°C rise by the end of the century is reversible. 1:13:01 - Steven Chu : Even though we can prevent the worst scenario, the damage from what we’ve been doing to the planet won’t disappear due to this . 1:13:43 - Paleogeological evidence of climate change and its consequences 1:15:00 - Steven Chu : Curbing the carbon emission by half by 2050 is possible if, and only if, we can capture the carbon that we’ve already emitted AND reduce our current emission. 1:18:43 - Steven Chu : It’s not the slow rise that displace the coastal community, it’s the storm surge. 1:20:38 - Steven called the climate deniers thesis that the current climate change are natural phenomena is “nonsense.” *Science Over Politics* 1:23:07 - Message for the young generations: Pressure your parents and elderlies to take action 1:26:04 - Steve’s optimism towards more robust scientific discoveries 1:32:30 - Why the US has much more Nobel Laureates in comparison to other countries? 1. Money 2. Meritocracy 1:34 :11 - Meritocracy at risk Selengkapnya di sgpp.me/eps162notes

[@theexplorerJP]

I was working in Nuclear Fusion research center for 2.5 years. the reason why it's not popular, as Dr. Steven said, it's mostly because people is scared with the word of "Nuclear". From research point of view, Nuclear research is extremely expensive. currently in South east asia, only one country that has one kind of nuclear fusion device (Tokamak), which is Thailand. By this point of view, it will be interesting if Pak Gita started to interview scientist from Thailand. Since the culture is quite close with Indonesia and the politic is not so far different than Indonesia. I also keep wondering, why Thailand research become more and more advance than their neigbouring country.

[@ivandennysopit8792]

wow, it's really great working in Nuclear Fusion research. But, based on the last data that I checked, only the US and France which are significantly generating power from nuclear, while other countries that were previously nuclear electricity dominant like Germany and Japan show a considerable decline. Germany has experience with nuclear with no significant accidents, they have the technology, talent, and capital but they prefer to shut down their nuclear plants. I think for Indonesia's case, it's better to keep developing renewable and using coal with CCUS instead of trying risky things like nuclear power plants.

[@theexplorerJP]

​@@ivandennysopit8792 Nuclear Fusion and Nuclear Fission are different. Basically no country has made it commercial.

[@theexplorerJP]

@@ivandennysopit8792 My comment was refering to Dr. Steven comments regarding Nuclear. Thank you for commenting on my comment

[@gwirjawan]

Thailand (and Singapore) spent the most among other Southeast Asian countries when it comes to R&D. Their public perception towards nuclear is also a lot more welcoming. Thank you for supporting our channel and let us know if you have names to recommend (re; Thai scientist).

[@theexplorerJP]

@@gwirjawan Thailand scientists: Asc. prof. Yodchanan Wongsawat

[@melvadewi]

Such a positive discussion Pak, Thanks for it! Semoga lebih banyak Nobelist lainnya. Coba invite yang background aerospace pak

[@pauljcross2289]

3 degrees.....thats a big problem....tks pak Gita

[@ajicandrael4843]

And, Finally you made it, Pak GITA.......... makotoni Arigatou, sejujurnya saya merinding ketika Pak Gita mengundang prof. Chu di podcast Pak Git... Terima kasih banyak Pak. Hopefully, ini akan menjadi sebuah percikan asa utk kita belajar lebih dalam kepada para peraih nobel. Kelak dengan langkah awal ini bisa menjadi sebuah pathway kita (Indonesian) untuk mewujudkan peneliti top dunia dan especially peraih nobel. Sembah Nuwun 🙏

[@gregmckenzie4315]

Why do so many scientists accept the concept of "energy demand" without question? Who, exactly, is "demanding" the energy? What is it being used for now? Do we "need" all of that exterior lighting? (Think about Las Vegas and large cities around the world.). Does every family "need" to have three or four cars to drive one person in each car? Do we "need" all of the stuff that the corporations are advertising? Is the corporate energy sector so powerful that they can claim an energy "demand" that will require us to poison the planet so that the corporate and energy captains can become even more ridiculously wealthy? Why do we "need" for those people to have 90 percent of our global wealth? Scientists who do NOT ask these questions are not working for the benefit of us or the Earth's ecosphere. We should get rid of the "energy bosses" (and the scientists who do their bidding) and establish a democracy that can actually serve the people and all of the life forms that all of us are absolutely dependent upon.

[@justinsnelling8053]

Because in Democratic Nations the arguments have to convince - and be supported by - the majority of "the people." In an authoritarian World "One World Government" - it might be possible to make sane and intelligent Command Economy decisions - it is likely though that we get whipsawed around by what the leading bully authoritarian in charge has had for dinner and whether he woke up on the wrong side of the bed... In a Democratic system - we have to prevail by the winning arguments of the times. Well - just look at American republican shit these days, Brexit Britain, Palestine, Russia/Ukraine and ask yourself - How likely is a consensus going to arise? Our best scientists can argue til they are blue in the face - and they have done so - endlessly for decades now - and the stupid and corrupt will simply ignore them and just carry on burying their heads in the sand - feathering their own nests - appointing self destructive idiots to be leaders - and vote for the biggest populists and the most simple minded hot button issues and not give a fig about what is intelligent, useful or helpful. Yes the corporate sector is powerful and has no responsibility to preserving and helping "The Commons." But it really is the stupid people who keep voting against their best interests and falling for all the dis-information being pushed staedily by the anti-science grifters and the Machiavellian populist misinformation merchants. It would be fantastic if people were as intelligent as we wish thhem to be - and pretend to be while constantly demonstrating otherwise - and if they would get educated about reality. I am not hopeful. I've seen 69 years worth of political and populist addiction to superstitions, magical thinking, toxic ideologies, and self harming choices at election time. It is hard to remain optimistic - even to hold a modest degree of meliorism. (Pessimism is really unhelpful - even as it is perfectly understandable when judging human behaviour over the past few decades.) There are green shoots of hopefulness now and again - but the DIMS amonst us quickly somp all over them and piss all over the folks trying to nurture them...

[@PazLeBon]

Learning from a book is standard practice for mny things, nowadays things like youtube offer the same, soemtimes better option of course in the sense of getting more perspectives. I imigine there are many of us that could find 'answers' and solutions but have never really been in that educatinakl environment. I feel there should be more 'opens ource' like problems posted for the general public to work on

[@janipurnawanty8877]

Hanya karena Pak Gita yang menjadi interviewer maka percakapan dengan Peraih Nobel bisa jadi se-chewable seperti ini... mudah dipahami, coveragenya lengkap dan menyeluruh, sangat enlightening dan eyes-opening... dua orang pintar berbincang-bincang yang so impactefull bagi orang banyak, salam hormat Pak Gita 🙏🙏🙏

[@otakotakbangjim5884]

Kurangi kebiasaan menjilatnya ... Cukup utarakan ide gagasan mu secara objective saja. Jangan ABS

[@-LightningRod-]

at the end of this presentation, YOUR description of the oil spill NSA issue and how you took personal responsibility is the Most Respectable and Courageous thing i have ever heard\ THAT is what makes 21stCentury HERO's and LEADERS.

[@leofeliz1355]

Dr. Chu States, We are 1.2 C Global Average temperature above Pre-Industrial levels. Major Scientific entities State 1.4 to 1.6 above Pre-Industrial level. Several Climate Scientist state we are already at or past 2C. We are at irreversible climate change. No one will change and what ever change is done is going to require the emission of energy, hence continue heating of the planet. Forget about Sea level rise, there will be massive droughts, massive migration, Extinctions, lack of food, more wars, Millions of people also dying from diseases etc. With all due respect to the charming Dr. Chu.

[@shoobidyboop8634]

You're saying scientists think 1.2, others 1.4-1.6, some 2 or more. So, you're saying "climate scientists" don't know how much warming we've had since pre-industrial. According to you, their beliefs are all over the place.

[@fbyhb]

Terimakasih pak Gita, sangat mind-blowing pandangan dari nobelist Mr. Steven Chu, setelah ini saya akan menonton podcast2 nobelist2 yang lainnya. Terimakasih banyak, sangat menginspirasi !

[@aseprohmandar6812]

pikiran yang tajam, inspiratif dan mendalam!

[@walkabout16]

In the cosmic theater where Earth takes its cue, A luminary speaks, a voice both wise and true. Steven Chu, a prophet of the climate's stage, Revises predictions in an urgent engage. Endgame echoes through the halls of time, As climate change, a daunting paradigm. Luminaries gather, minds ablaze, To alter the script, to amend the haze. In the dance of atoms and molecules small, Chu sees a tale, a dire call. A revised prediction, a stark decree, In the heart of change, what do we see? Rising tides and warming air, A planet in peril, a world aware. The numbers shift, the equations unfold, In the tale of climate, a story retold. Endgame #162, a chapter profound, A rallying cry, a harmonious sound. Luminaries unite, a celestial plea, To rewrite the ending, to set Earth free. In the script of climate, revisions inscribe, As Steven Chu guides with wisdom and vibe. A forecast transformed, a challenge embraced, In the luminaries' quest, a world retraced. Let hope be the beacon, let action be bold, In the face of predictions, let a new tale be told. For in Endgame #162, a call to rearrange, The destiny of Earth, in a revised exchange.

[@louispfau7843]

I like this poetic effort. I think it is worth 1/100th degree cooling. Keep writing. 🙂

[@killgriffinnow]

This 'poem' was written,plain for all to see, By the program known as "CHAT-GPT", A twisted device, Neither honest nor nice, That will likely help the planet pass 2 Degrees C.

[@GlobalDrifter1000]

Great conversation. Two very smart well spoken people.

[@davidwilkie9551]

If India and Indonesia are unable to do their own versions of the Manhattan Project in choosing Atomic Energy solutions, don't expect rich countries to do better, that is where the greatest resistance to its adoption is coming from. Australia is the appropriate example of how Energy and Resources have been totally mismanaged as a Democratic Administration system.

[@psikeyhackr6914]

What does planned obsolescence do for CO2? Where have economic said anything about the depreciation of durable consumer garbage designed to become obsolete.

[@asrianto1598]

Saya hanya lulusan sma dan kerja sebagai petani tapi ntah knp saya suka banget nonton podcast nya pak gita

[@kodoklengket]

Keren Mas Rianto, semangat ya jadi petani. Berkat kerja keras anda dan para petani lainya saya bisa makan.

[@asrianto1598]

​@@kodoklengketpasti selalu semangat

[@jaanish3]

Gpp.Malah bagus, berarti wawasan dan keinginan tahuannya besar. 👍

[@harveytheparaglidingchaser7039]

Great interview I don't share the optimism but it was great to hear the analysis of a brilliant scientist

[@Mike-or3ry]

Alex Epstein 's "FOSSIL" FUTURE on sale now.The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels. HUMAN FLOURISHING

[@VideoconferencingUSA]

Nice job

[@patriciasummers4457]

The world is changing. For guidance regarding individual preparation see: "Recommendations for Living in a Great Waves World" from the book, The Great Waves of Change - Navigating the Difficult Times Ahead.

[@sangitaekka]

This is one of the best interviews out there! And my personal fears are further solidified.

[@jededge]

if there is nothing we can do , no need to worry

[@C_R_O_M________]

You have no idea what you are talking about. This is 100% political, 0% science! You are a moron if you think you understand anything in the realm of "climate science". It is HYPER complex and that is exactly what these scoundrels are exploiting! There is no crisis.

[@C_R_O_M________]

@@jededge there is nothing we can do because we do not affect or can predict anything in relation to climatic systems. This is 100% politics!

[@milesteghades]

This was incredible, thank you. Our goverments should be full of people like him.

[@C_R_O_M________]

It actually is that is why we are going to suffer this nonsense! THERE IS NO CRISIS!

[@casaattelierdevelopment633]

Eye opener

[@YoyokSehat]

Nice

[@laodearifwirawan3694]

Pak Gita you re the most gorgeus podcaster in Indonesia. I love u 🎉

[@C_R_O_M________]

This was absolutely nonsense!

[@PeteDavidson-yl3ps]

My sister lives in Boca Raton, Florida , her insurance policy is based on, and solely on, her house is 2 miles inland and 13” inches above sea level…I live in Ontario Canada, my house is 564 feet above sea level…with this said…I think it’s safe to assume that it’s going to take all the ice in the world to melt before the levels rise 500+ feet! Yet everyone is talking 1.2 1.5 2.5 3.0 F but no one is saying just how much the sea will rise…so she, my sister is packing her bags selling her home for a dime and “ heading to high country “ my home…

[@grahamkearnon6682]

Very interesting chap. I disagree with his assumption on climate, the seas are already behaving in negitive ways. Food insecurity is a massive real today issue only getting much worse fast. The british actuarial association last year did a large study on climate & the future, it concluded that that basically society has 30 years of norms before the whole business, commerce system crumbles. These are very serious clear headed individuals so wake up.

[@lulufulu4867]

We invested in a quality 6kw off grid solar system with three lithium batteries, 3 years ago. We have a back up petrol generator that we use very rarely to charge batteries. The batteries charge even on cloudy days, only when it rains do the batteries stop charging. I will never go back on grid. It cost us $30k and should last for 20 years fingers crossed.

[@2flight]

Great interview. When we can't take the heat anymore, then we'll start listening.

[@robinhood5627]

Nah we won't. People will continue denying fire exists even as their houses burn to the ground around them. Humans are so stupid, arrogant, greedy and stubborn. We are our own worst enemy and listen all you like it changes nothing the damage is already done and we are going bye bye.

[@maretranquillity]

Mr. Chu is missing an important part of the reluctance to implementing nuclear power. The governments have been promising safe disposal sites for nuke waste since the public discovered that nuke waste was an issue. The US still has no high level waste repository, we still have water cooled fuel pools at most nuke plants that are overflowing with spent fuel rods. Because the fuel pools are full beyond their designed capacity the cooling water has to be doped with chemicals to increase its ability to absorb radiation. The water has to be kept circulating and replenished because if it isn't it can boil off and the fuel rods will overheat, catch fire and we have another Chernobyl nuclear fire open to the atmosphere. I am a down-winder, a person raised down wind from Hanford Nuclear Research area. Down-winders tend to die at much higher rates of thyroid cancer because of radiation released from Hanford. My brother died young from thyroid cancer, my sister died young of breast cancer, my older brother and my Father had prostate cancer. Not all of this can be attributed to Hanford, but equally it is fair to point out that the US government has been claiming that Hanford is safe despite all the evidence to the contrary, like the leaking tanks of liquid waste that are contaminating the ground water and the Columbia River (which provides irrigation and drinking water to many farms and people). I have read that the Japanese government is taking the million or so 1 ton bags of contaminated soil and plant material cleaned up around Fukushima and trucking them to burn sites around the country and setting them on fire. Burning radiation contaminated material in the open air seems like a really bad idea to me. The US government and the Russian/USSR government have absolutely horrible safety records when it comes to disposing of nuke waste safely. Nor do they have good records of cleaning up contamination from military or civilian nuclear facilities. The power plants can be made safe, we know how to do that. The problem is that history has shown us that economics comes ahead of safety. The Fukushima plant is a perfect example. TEPCO was told by the engineers that the sea wall needed to be taller than what TEPCO wanted to pay for, so it was built too short to protect the plant from the tsunami waves the engineers said were possible. They cheaped out again by putting the auxiliary generators in the basements where they would be the first things drowned out in a tsunami situation. I don't really care how much the science community reassures me about technological safety because I know that the scientists are ALWAYS undercut by the economic forces that run our world. Look at how the scientists have been ignored about climate change for 50 years. We just had the 28th COP and it was just as useful as the other 27.

[@tapak8330]

Harta ilmu yg paling berharga utk generasi penerus bgsa

[@user-mu3iy8fq3d]

The urgency surrounding the global warming predicament is evident not just in its environmental implications but also in the threat it poses to human health and well-being.

[@Homunculas]

No, it's all in your head.

[@theexplorerJP]

Thank you for providing us this high quality content.🎉

[@gwirjawan]

Thank you for joining us as a member. Tell me more about what content you hope to see more often.

[@buriedintime]

so glad he stated the differences between GMO for good and capitalist monopoly GMO via Monsanto. people need to understand that more clearly.

[@sguntarto]

In this podcast with Professor Steven Chu, he discusses his journey into science and groundbreaking contributions to optical tweezers and cold atoms. Chu advocates for a technology-driven approach to address climate change, emphasizing the need for aggressive action to lower the cost of capital for renewable energy projects. He highlights the importance of utilizing abundant resources for energy production and urges a swift reduction in carbon emissions by 2050 to prevent irreversible climate damage. The conversation concludes with insights into the challenges posed by extreme weather events and the critical role of technological advancements in sustainable climate change mitigation.

[@kkob]

It's a FAIL, sadly. We can't tech our way out of this. Chu doesn't understand resource limits, the full climate risk, nor sustainability. So sad.

[@anthonyluhulima3412]

Mungkin satu2nya acara podcast yang paling keren diIndonesia, saya sarankan supaya para host podcast mungkin harus banyak belajar dari Pak Gita seorang host yang keren banget dengan pertanyaan2 yang keren dan menjadi pendengar yang sangat keren sehingga kami penonton terpuaskan oleh para pembicara yang hebat2 sekali. Terimakasih Pak Gita😊😊

[@martiansoon9092]

We see NOW that oceans are giving up the storaged heat. Northern seas are suprisingly warm (for scientists) and the sea ice that surrounds Antarctica has lost 2,77 million square kilometers of ice (Size of Argentina or so). Losing Antarctica's sea ice means lots more heat to the ocean, specially when sun starts to shine more in the area. Recent study estimates that at 2C sea level will rise 12-20 meters over few centuries. (And that could mean 20-40 metres of sea level rise in northern hemisphere due to additional gravitational changes.) This year is likely to end up over 1,5C limit (baseline 1850-1900). (Not permanently nor climatically, yet.) And next year is likely even worse. It is approximated that we reach 2C in next 15-17 years... (Hansen, WMO) For daily temperature this has happened already in this year (baseline 1850-1900).

[@martiansoon9092]

1,2C was the warming by 2022. This year is far worse. as I noted earlier.

[@EchoDoctrine]

Yes and the copium he provided failed for me. Mentioned how he was wrong about Salmon dying and thought that was decades away yet it happened now, along with the Alaskan snow crab mass extinction he might not even know about. He says its okay because we will create Carbon Capture. We haven’t even invented it fully yet, and by 2050 we should be taking HALF the carbon out but we don’t know how yet. Yeah. We are toast. Many of these folks in the know don’t want to come to terms with that reality yet, our new current reality.

[@Breakout-99]

Sebelumnya saya minta maaf... Untuk Bpk. Gita Wirjawan, kita lihat kondisi politik diindonesia sekarang ini sangat kacau. Dari banyaknya tokog yang menjadi narasumber di berbagai media masa, nampaknya mereka juga kurang bisa dipercaya karena memberikan pendapatnya masih secara subjektif, hanya untuk kepentingan golongan/kelompok tertentu saja. Saya masih ada secercah harapan di pak Gita untuk bisa memberikan pandangannya terkait Pilpres 2024. Siapakah menurut bapak orang yang cocok mempin Indonesia dari 3 pasangan calon yang ada... Semoga dibaca..

[@davidwilkie9551]

Michael Hudson and his MMT Provisioning intellectuals have a long-term holistic POV approach to Civilization and the mechanics of input-output energy and storage systems at the hands-on experience level where incremental knowledge is held in each individual, ie "know your Self" in detail applies because outcomes are something everyone has experience of, good and bad. Basic culture has always wished to return to this state of common knowledge, to return in legions to a common purpose, integrated with the environment, in safety. That's why we have Sciencing Re-search and Education. It's always NOW and the illusion of separation is the common purpose that is the Observable problem of Education in general.

[@Spoer81]

This kind of sustainability narration should be encouraged. Not a world doomsday narration.

[@BobQuigley]

Nice interview. On climate too much hopium, Americans most addictive drug. When combined with dark money oligarchs and corporate lust for more more more money at any cost to civilization. Individualism at the expense of the whole is aa root cause. Thanks for your service and work!

[@DSAK55]

moron

[@djakfarPhD]

Keren

[@hilmyar-robbani3929]

oh sick!

[@sobolanul82]

I am optimistic and we don't have a chance to reverse this. We forget that nature has also its positive feedbacks. And already nature adds CO2 and methane in the atmosphere from thawing permafrost and wild fires. And our emissions are still positive. Ice is lost at both poles year after year, another positive feedback. We lost at least 2 decades by inaction fueled by climate deniers influencing the politics.

[@anthonymorris5084]

2 decades? Climate hysteria has been around for at least 43 years. Humanity has never been safer, healthier or more prosperous. This trend has continued through 200 years of warming and 200 years of growing fossil fuel production. Poverty is the threat not warming. All climate policies induce greater poverty.

[@sobolanul82]

@@anthonymorris5084 yes fossil fuels helped us to prosper and build our societies. But all of this with a cost for the environment which was predicted in the climate models in the last decades. Now the models are backed up by the observations. Simple as that.

[@anthonymorris5084]

@@sobolanul82 I'm not denying that warming is a fact. I'm expressing that the cure is worse than the disease. You want to see a truly Mad Max world? End fossil fuels. From the 1800's going back 10,000 years, the history of humanity is a story of impoverishment, violence, malnutrition, starvation and death from treatable disease. The modern world is an utter anomaly. After discovering oil, GDP, longevity, quality of life, nutrition and many other stats soared to unprecedented levels. In less than 100 years an astronaut hit a golf ball on the moon. You cannot run a modern economy and all of the wonders it provides without inexpensive reliable energy as its foundation. Poverty kills millions. Poverty is a vastly greater threat than warming will ever be. Inexpensive reliable energy mitigates and neutralizes threats from warming. Threats from everything.

[@EchoDoctrine]

Yes, same. My optimistic side is a few more years i can build the bunker and be more prepared. He was wrong on salmon die off, has no way of carbon capture that will need to be done by or in 2050… ha. Its too late. I’m not sure if deep down he knows the truth and reality, and doesn’t want to alert the public or if he’s really that deceived by his own false hope.

[@danblack4033]

@@anthonymorris5084Not to worry as and optimist I say it could have been any unseen problem for the grifters to hang onto used to pull the wool over the eye of the public. As a pessimist I like to say to the believer of this science missing the method that it is already too late. Indeed it has been too late since before Al Gore was a sparkle in his father's eye. I tell people not to plan but wait for the painful end. They should have done something since it was already too late.

[@anderb9311]

Great interview ...

[@birtybonkers8918]

“He actually deserved his Nobel Prize, unlike me!”

[@dreamzofhorses]

Because Obama sees that his contribution, while worthy, is not as important for humanity. His ego isn’t so big he can’t see reality and facts.

[@markstuber4731]

At 1:18:45 ish: Is he taking land accretion into account in predicting when islands will be submerged? Similar predictions have been made in the past by climatologists who didn't talk to geologists. There predictions turned out wrong because the islands rised more rapidly than ocean levels rised.

[@maxthemagition]

If the temperature rises surely precipitation rises which means more clouds. More clouds means that the rays from the sun will get reflected more? Or is this wrong and has research been done to see if cloud layers have reduced?

[@marcjanwilfriedmatt]

I love this well balanced analisis of things. Nuanced. Which is important. I do wonder how broadly one can be aware of the science: towards the end they both refer to the worsening weather events 'they witness themselves'. Is that truely correct? Even in the IPCC reports data show a different image. There surely is, however, a tremendous rise in media reports about such events... Just saying.

[@josephlynn4065]

This discussion is NOT well balanced!

[@timnray99]

I was in San Francisco in the early 80's when i was called by Greenpeace to work on their ship the Rainbow Warrior, which was sunk by the French in Aukland. behind my desk is a poster of the ship signed by the crew thanking them for the work that was done. my job was to ready the ship for campaigns against French atmospheric testing and grey whaling in Siberia. it was while working that i saw the change. the crew is made up of trust fund babies and emotionally charged individuals with a self-righteous divine call to save the world from the evildoers seeking to destroy Mother Gaia. with the mentality rivaling the Spanish Inquisition the new enemy was oil and humans

[@user-ne4pp5ju6q]

😅 I hope you are real and not just fooling. As your description of eco warriors fits my observations exactly. No one disputes climate change, as the climates in various locations are and have always been constantly changing throughout the history of the world.

[@canonest]

longevity of electronics is the answer in my opinion, not increased energy production. planned obsolescence and perfect capitalism causes more impact than buying the latest efficient toy.

[@anthonymorris5084]

Planned obsolesce? Would you like to be using a 3 pound 1980 cell phone? Capitalism as always is the solution.

[@NelsonGuzmanGarcia]

The way we think about economics, meaning if it costs too much we wont buy it even if your lives dependent on it, seems to me suicidal.

[@charlessimbolon7333]

Going vegan and prevention of food to be wasted are cheapest and fastest solution for the disadvantaged communities to avoid the worst effect of climate disasters

[@pete223]

disadvanteged communities are usually more or less vegan already, because meat is too expensive... the poor aren't the problem and they won't be allowed to be the solution