IVY LEAGUES No Longer The Brass Ring?! Students DITCH Costly, Elite Schools for Other Options

Jessica Burbank and Amber Duke weigh in on a report that students are opting out of applying to elite-level colleges. #university #eliteschool
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[@tfustudios]

Who DOESN'T want to pay 80K a year to become unemployed and hate-filled?

[@Deluca-Piano]

😂😂😂😂Oh man, I'm dying right now.

[@willman9567]

Unemployable. The new grads are all problematic.

[@elvisnnaemeka6722]

😂😂

[@lafeil]

Agree

[@erykahhoney588]

This 👏🏾👏🏾

[@PepeToTheMooon]

They are overpriced propaganda machines these days.

[@spicywater123]

Maybe if you have an interpretive dance degree, but you cant make that claim about STEM fields.

[@b.pack3]

@@spicywater123every school is over run with woke DEI politics. It doesn’t mattter where you are. It’s EVERYWHERE

[@l.w.paradis2108]

​@@b.pack3Could the purpose be to drive competition away? Because the rich ARE going to the Ivies or Stanford. Those diplomas are not for the next few years but for the next 60. Once you are a Harvard grad, it's for life.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

​@@spicywater123What college offers those? Juilliard? They get jobs.

[@b.pack3]

@@l.w.paradis2108 KZbin deleted my comment so not even sure what I said. They are as liberal and DEI infested as any company today.

[@kimwiser445]

Companies need to stop requiring college degrees for jobs that don’t really need one.

[@youtubesucks1499]

They are.

[@jackip2ava]

And low level city and gov jobs

[@youtubesucks1499]

@@jackip2ava All you have to do is be a poc

[@barneymiller4088]

It is bizarre that I am 40 years into my career and I am still seeing the requirement for a college degree. I had removed my BS degree from my resume and every single HR person required me to provide this information. I am in computer sciences and frankly that education from a University did a terrible job of preparing me for my first programming job and provides nothing for me now.

[@Djainwiqjzncdek]

⁠​⁠@@barneymiller4088 it’s pretty simple. why lower your standards when there is already an overwhelming number of applicants?

[@AyeYoFrankyyyy]

It’s like paying for a luxury car: you’re paying for a brand, not actual quality.

[@user-yx6ox7us9v]

You're paying for access to a network when you go to Ivy Leagues. Not even a brand, but access to building a network that could serve you well in the future

[@Princetonian4eva]

Not true. Some of the best minds and resources are at these universities and the network as the comment above says are incredibly powerful. For those that actually went, we know. Also, a weird analogy because a lot of luxury cars actually have specific features that do provide better quality for long lasting and improved performance Prejudice blinds people to facts Stay blessed

[@josephcalabrese6337]

@@Princetonian4eva In other words: Having high charisma is more important than having intelligence. Getting your future boss to hire you is more important than getting that paper that says masters degree.

[@JCMom6376]

Students are realizing that elite and expensive doesn’t necessarily mean better!

[@tina50ify]

Parents who pay for these schools are realizing it too.

[@JIMISPIER]

As a lifelong academic, I don't see the point in Ivy league school. I've rarely been asked where my degrees come from. People care whether or not you can do the job, not that you wasted money on a school with a flashy name. No one should care about these schools or anything about them. The sole focus should be what can they teach? Are they actually doing a better job, or is just the name of the school? Some of the absolute best teachers are hiding at Community Colleges, where most of your instructors keep their egos in check so you can actually get help and guidance from them.

[@Princetonian4eva]

Certain academic circles and publications certainly do ask but if you’re not apart of those, you wouldn’t know either way

[@beigenegress2979]

Yep. At work, I was assisting a man who blurted out “I’m a Yale graduate.” 😣 I knew he was lying. Nothing goes on at my job where our clientele need to mention a uni. I did graduate (decades ago) from one of the more prominent hbcu uni. Some on the ppl whom I know, from our mutual enrollment, completed graduate programs (law, other things) at Ivy League. Nobody really brings this up at homecoming festivities. I attended a state uni for grad school: when I attend association conferences or functions for my profession, not one single person ever asked which grad program I completed. Not one. In 2021, someone from uni days sent a pic around of one of our friend’s being sworn in as a judge in HER state. SHE didn’t put it on her FB, or 📢. One of our mutuals who sees her (the judge) oftern, attended the ceremony and took the pic and sent it to our friends. Ppl don’t really ask your school. It’s on resume, or vita. If you get the job, they won’t mention your school anymore at the job.

[@chenisikymoh]

except few professional category degree , most worker today no needed to have Ivy league school diploma

[@davecarli1187]

facts

[@MCWAY1]

My daughter dual-enrolled in high school, got her AS degree at a local community college, and is one semester away from her bachelor's degree at a local state school. When she goes to law school, it just so happens that my alma mater's law school is local, too. And I don't have to donate vital organs to pay for it😊

[@PaineStakingTruth]

Good for you, glad to hear it!

[@MCWAY1]

@@PaineStakingTruth 😊 Thanks!

[@jamesparker1071]

Hope she isn't groomed to hate America like most "lawyers".

[@karincrane3220]

Oxford University, the top school in the world, costs $22,000. University of Heidelberg is $18,000. Go to Europe for a fraction of the cost. Travel like crazy. And get away from the US BS.

[@skontheroad]

Wow! Crazy! I went thru my American university, on their cost, for the same thing! Dumb!

[@happyswim1836]

Sounds great.

[@Tamar-sz8ox]

A family member of mine went to university in France 🇫🇷 & Switzerland 🇨🇭 for a fraction of the cost ! They also got access to affordable housing & transportation discounts etc

[@karincrane3220]

My friends daughter went to college in Netherlands. After the last class on Thursday, she’d be on a train with her Europass for some other country. She had a blast.

[@joeblow26]

Sorry but MIT is the top school in the world and Oxford's number 3

[@Novalyn-oo8zv]

Ivy League isn't what it used to be. Its best to go to a community college depending on the quality of them near you. I had a professor say he enjoyed teaching at community colleges because it wasn't as restrictive and you have students from many different background that can offer various viewpoints. Whereas in some colleges, the students tend to be mostly religious or share the same political beliefs.

[@chenisikymoh]

my friend after high school couldn't find a job he like then he went to local community college to get this real estate management study , he find a job right after class ended and live well in life.

[@UndertheNeedle282]

Nobody is choosing their college based on their COVID policy. Stop it.

[@lacharmer441]

They’re not going there because they don’t want to be dictated to by communist philosophy! Wake up!

[@evanburrows1697]

Today - I agree it is unlikely. But a couple of years ago during the midst of COVID - it would have had an effect. COVID had noticeable effects on interstate and intrastate migration of the whole population.

[@erykahhoney588]

😂 right! They literally say anything

[@asajayunknown6290]

I've worked with Ivy League grads in the financial world. The only thing I've found them to be truly excellent in is arrogance and pretentiousness. An HR acquaintance of mine at my old corporation told me that place trashed Ivy resumes. Too much hassle. Not enough upside to the corporation.

[@PaineStakingTruth]

Thanks for the input! 😊 good to hear from those on the inside.

[@PepeToTheMooon]

Yep basically. I’ve seen this first hand.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

But they get the job anyway, over by you? Putting the HR hearsay aside . . .

[@asajayunknown6290]

@l.w.paradis2108 Not anymore. They tried hiring a few. They didn't last. Quit. The rest of us breathed a sigh of relief. Granted, the fact they even were working there was because they were impressive enough or didn't have good enough connections on Wall St. Still had the superiority attitude though.

[@asajayunknown6290]

Sorry, were NOT impressive....

[@vicg5323]

Most students are looking at ROI aka Return On Investment. Going to Harvard to get a teaching degree to thereafter make 40K after spending 360K in books and tuition not to include living expenses does not make sense!

[@d3r3kyasmar]

I graduated in a community college. I was working full time and studying at the same time. I made it and I graduated with a Masters Degree without any student loan debt. Now I earn $275k/year while maintaining my humble and simple lifestyle. I have co workers and subordinates who graduated in expensive private schools with $300k student loans. I help them land a job and get paid well so they have money to pay back their loans.

[@wwechampion]

You're a smart person 👏

[@chenisikymoh]

except few professional category ( law medical physics or math . . . ) , going to Ivy school is waste money and possible become a communist extreme

[@jasonrabeiro2009]

I went to school at Columbia University. My tuition was 2k per credit hour (124 hours needed to graduate), the school did not have any of the majors I wanted to study (Business), there was no Greek life or party life, and I had no student housing due to how difficult housing is in NYC. I graduated with a degree in PoliSci because they didnt have my intended major and I spent 3 years unemployed because of Covid. I will NEVER encourage my kids to go to an Ivy League school over a state school.

[@cbunix23]

Why did you attend Columbia instead of another school that better met your needs?

[@lx95020]

PoliSci? You should have known unemployment was part of that package. Don't blame the school. If you would have majored in STEM I'm sure you would have done better during COVID.

[@jasonrabeiro2009]

@@cbunix23 Good question. When you're a kid, you just go to where people say is "best" for you since you don't know what your needs are. Columbia was ranked no.2 in the country and I got waitlisted by Harvard, so it's the one EVERYONE told me to attend. It wasn't until after I had already enrolled that I realized they did not have a business program.

[@jasonrabeiro2009]

@@lx95020 Who knew covid was coming? Who knew we would all socially isolate and people skills would fall into the gutter? Who could have foretold this future? In an alternative universe, I'm sure an alternative version of myself majored in STEM at MIT then a massive EMP blast fries all technology systems after graduation. Well, why didn't that version just study polisci or some liberal arts? Why didn't he focus on people skills instead of tech skills? See why this train of thought fails under logical scrutiny?

[@chenisikymoh]

@@jasonrabeiro2009 @ during old time thinking , most high school grad are don't know what to do

[@wolfmangoland7972]

My neighbor's son went to one of the SUNYs to study business. He did not get a job for almost a year. He worked in a pizza store and a few other odd jobs. Only one or two students from his class who had connections in finance companies (and had close to a 3.95 GPA) got internships there. He is now working in a car dealership in sales. It is not easy to get good jobs

[@chenisikymoh]

business major not good enough , he needs a specialty study of business

[@Deluca-Piano]

My bachelor's degree graduation was cancelled, that was so depressing after all the hard work. Then we had to do online hybrid with masks in person all through my master's degree program. That was so lame. Worst experience ever. So miserable. I feel bad for the people who just want to learn. I know their pain.

[@musashi4856]

Avoiding college doesn't lock you into your first job. Apathy and lack of creativity does.

[@XcuzeTheMessDeer]

Actually they want a degree to stock produce at any grocery store these days

[@iangreer4585]

@@XcuzeTheMessDeer I guess I’ll get a doctorate to get my dream job of being a fried cook at Burger King

[@lolololololo97]

Ivy leagues just aren’t worth it

[@chenisikymoh]

aren’t worth it , any more

[@BionicBisquit]

As a person who works with professional corporations, I can tell you that businesses are getting tired of the so called "educated" options. We are finding entitlement, activism, ignorance working with others, arrogance (wanting to change processes without understanding current ones first) and lack of drive are issues we see with the highly educated. Those that haven't gone through those educational institutions seem to have more hunger for success, are willing to prove it and get along with the regular co-worker.

[@fishercourt]

I think the university system works on an out-dated model that must change. I know an old friend who went through college and graduated with a business degree and had zero experience in an actual business. Once he graduated he got a job offer, he worked there and they let him go because he lacked basic social skills that are required to work with others. He was book smart but socially he was extremely awkward and judgmental to everyone because he felt entitled. He’s working as a bus boy at a chain restaurant now because he lacks the bad skills that are required in interpersonal relationships. Instead of trying to work on his own communication issues, he just decided he doesn’t care. That’s the problem with universities, they lecture and then they have no obligation to teach basic skills needed to be able to work in the real world. A business degree without any real world experience is just a major problem.

[@independent4570]

Jessica says “Public schools in the south” with such disdain … as if UT Austin is a half-rate school. What an elitist! She probably doesn’t realize that the top 10% of each high school class can access UT Austin which is what makes it so diverse while still having rigorous academics.

[@asajayunknown6290]

Her distain comes from the psychological need to have her Ivy degree be "worth it". I've experienced similar attitudes from colleagues that went to "the" state school whereas I got a 85% ride at a little liberal arts college. After decades in the high-flying corporate world my opinion is that success is mostly up to the individual. It has very little to do with how prestigious your degree is.

[@twatts1523]

Last I checked UF was also a top ranked school

[@Frederick0220]

Also UVA and UF are great southern public schools

[@Frederick0220]

@@twatts1523 It is. Saw in the WSJ article U Florida now has very high test scores and a very low acceptance rate

[@richspizzaparty]

She went to Brown, most elitist status driven people ever.

[@ericbrooks939]

Is she really saying Covid is why students are going down south to school and not pricing? Who TF is hiring these brainless talking heads?

[@ab-hx8qe]

She was here to demonstrate the quality of the Ivy League education 😂

[@SameerMalik-es5ij]

She’s 100 percent right lol did you listen Covid restrictions and vaccine mandates caused thousands of students to get expelled and forced thousands to get an experimental injection including myself

[@evanburrows1697]

Today - I agree it is unlikely. But a couple of years ago during the midst of COVID - it would have had an effect. COVID had noticeable effects on interstate and intrastate migration of the whole population.

[@tonyg76]

They are missing out on the social aspect of college and more individualized attention of the smaller schools. In the state schools, you are just a number. Making the small schools more affordable would help a lot.

[@happyswim1836]

True.

[@deanmichael1279]

The social aspect hasn’t existed since 2017 and if you remember back then Greek life became enemy number one.

[@tonyg76]

@@deanmichael1279 People do not live on campus anymore/eat together/go to classes together, etc...? If by greek life you mean fraternities/sororities, I am not even talking about those as I did not participate in them in college. I mean more on campus organizations/clubs.

[@tocino4]

No offense but I doubt we're seeing an en masse dumping of the Ivies so much as more students wisening up and simply not applying to the Ivies. At the end of the day the Ivies' admission rate stands at 3%. Chances are over 97% of those who didnt apply wouln't have been accepted anyway.

[@Arbiteroflife]

Yea, I think this is the true answer. The acceptance rate to amount of effort just isn’t worth it.

[@TheRaiderman1]

The ivy league destroyed their most valued possession, credibility.

[@SomethingSomethingg]

If I can make a suggestion as a 30-year-old who never went to college.... TRAVEL!!! It's much more affordable and it's much more rewarding. I'm okay being a janitor because I'm not in debt and I don't have to be married to my job. I can leave up to six months a year and not get fired. What lawyer, doctor, professor, journalist, etc. can do that??

[@chenisikymoh]

One of my teachers once said : rich man can ride in a Rolls-Royce, and then someone will charge more to repair his Rolls-Royce

[@ShimobeSama]

So weird. I don't get how you can publicly and proudly discriminate against 2/3 to 3/4 of applicants, and then only have your applications drop by 3 to 5%. They should be celebrating.

[@luciboras]

My cousin quit college, got a really good job at a company and bought a house last year under his 30. A well round person does not require college degrees, only real world experience.

[@heythave]

You don’t know what you don’t know.

[@ab-hx8qe]

The opinions of Bri and Jessica have really shown that if you want a good education that teaches you to think for yourself then Ivy League isn’t for you.

[@user-kk8sw7bs2r]

Jessica went to the Ivy League !?!😂😂😂

[@Jonnyboy3656]

Well Bri thinks the ocean is thousands of miles deep, so that should tell you everything you need to know about her education... See their video "OUTRAGE? Biden Says US Taxpayers Will Pay To Fix Baltimore Bridge" at 8min 28sec

[@jesswalczak9946]

@@user-kk8sw7bs2r She literally says this in the first couple of mins; She says in a different vid that she is a Brown alum, while Amber went to Georgetown.

[@tonyg76]

@@jesswalczak9946 In that case, go Brown!

[@Guti3737]

This is why she is a socialist. Schools have become recruitment centers for government ​@@tonyg76

[@proceduralnodes3d]

I agree with a lot of what you’re both saying. I took some classes with an online school for motion graphics . I was coming at it as my “retirement” career but quite honestly for a young person seeking to go into this field it’s a heck of a lot cheaper than “art school”, the classes are extremely hands on and the instructors are all working professionals. The trades are a great option as well…start earning money quickly, no debt and a real skill that will always be needed. Also, in this day and age one needs to think of “portable” skills…wherever you go you will be able to earn money. (I should add, I have one of those “expensive” degrees…)

[@retroqueenbeeart]

I went to Penn State and Community Colleges and collected enough credits to go to UT nursing school. BSN. I worked for 36 years in nursing. In the state job I achieved, I beat out master-prepared nurses with my experience. The medical field needs more educated nurses. Go for it. I loved being a nurse. ❤

[@Nehmi]

Just go to the college that gives you the most financial aide (assuming they have your major). In the end, your internships are what get you a job, not the name of your college. And trade schools are also a great way to get a good job after your apprenticeship. I went to an Ivy and work with people that went to state schools. We do the same job. It doesn't matter in the end.

[@johndeaux3703]

Unless you need to be there to cut up a cadaver in med school or something, why can't it all be done online for a miniscule fraction of the cost of in-person college? The college loan program seems to be there to prop up this buggy-whip industry of filling college buildings and dorms.

[@jpvoodoo5522]

They don't want to $100,000 for zoom classes.

[@artisaprimus6306]

High standards were the reason elite colleges were considered elite. Affirmative action and DEI pirched that out the window. They're simply not worth it.

[@AbronHawkins]

Nowadays, more and more people are looking for quality instead of the name. It’s like paying six figures for a Lincoln Navigator but you’re paying for a glorified Ford Expedition full size SUV

[@Goodguy1ful]

My daughter attends an Ivy League school.. It was her dream school She loved her experience and has thrived academically and socially -- and the financial aid was financially beneficial for our family ... but I can't say that is would be great for everyone ... or that college is the best move for everyone

[@Berley_1234]

depends on what you want to do .... if you want to run a business, just do it, if you want to be a Pharmacist, then u gotta go to college

[@mrcead]

Canadian universities include 2 years of real world experience so you actually graduate with 2 years experience under your belt in your degree area

[@reuvenbisk3220]

Universities used to instill a sense of discovery. Not coddling fragile minds with “safe zones.” Not worth the cost.

[@carrieanne712]

Good sports teams and Greek life! That’s not the main reason to go to college!

[@barneymiller4088]

But what you are not recognizing is the promise of Ivy League schools is that if you graduate and pay the tremendous fees, you will be successful.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

More privilege and less competition for the elites is the most likely outcome.

[@halflife352011]

Go to trades school become a plumber, electrician, mechanical... 6-7 years, you'll be making 6 figures with no debt. If you're great at math we still need engineers though.🤓

[@Princetonian4eva]

Love how people are focused on the cost when Ivy League schools have the best financial aid packages for students from average to below average income households. It was cheaper for me to go to Princeton than any of the local colleges within a 100 mile radius from where I grew up and MUCH cheaper than any of the UC schools But seems like people are more focused on preconceived notions or their individual experiences with a few Ivy League grads to see past their own prejudices and explain away all of the amazing benefits one gets from attending one of these universities But hey, what do I know I just graduated from one 🙃

[@srainairforce]

Agree with what you said. My sibling is currently attending an Ivy as a full ride student. He will be graduating debt-free. So many people still assume that attending an Ivy means going under tremendous debt just by looking at the sticker price. I also know someone who graduated from Cornell, but was able to pay back any loans he had within a year because of his financial aid package. So many people act like they know everything about the Ivy League when they are just displaying their ignorance and jealousy.

[@candacemaxwell1961]

Finally...thank you!

[@stockpile2137]

Why would I spend $60k/year to attend expensive art colleges for 2D/3D design if the resources online can teach me for a mere fraction of the cost.

[@janeenguynn8810]

That was shockingly well conducted and both women put together some strong arguments. I would also like to throw out there that between trade schools and the Ivy League there are tons of places known as public and private universities and colleges. The options are not become an investment banker or a plumber. You can graduate from a "Southern college" as a lawyer, teacher, nurse, doctor, admin, journalist, etc. While most people don't wind up following a straight career path, they are still hoping for some return on their investment, like being able to get a job after they graduate. Which if your degree is in Women's studies, might be hard to do.

[@skontheroad]

Not "skilled employees, but someone with a degree....." huh?

[@jackdhillic7400]

I can't imagine any serious student wanting to attend these woke wastes of time.

[@lisbondiaries9212]

Stop making everything political. You are falling in the trap that the elites have created…common people fighting among themselves, so that they can never build solidarity to fight against the elites. These are elitist universities, and if you think elitist are only “woke”, then you are sadly mistaken and obviously miseducated yourself.

[@Hal-uq5qv]

college is only acceptable when one NEEDS actual.professional guidance in the fields of medicine, science, law, engineering.....but other.professions can and should be done under a trade or specialty post secondary school and it's okay to go.that route

[@twatts1523]

Great segment, ladies! I hope your messages reach lots of young folks.

[@PaineStakingTruth]

Maybe , not so sure

[@retroqueenbeeart]

I am 70 and had COVID twice, one last year and one time this year. . It is like a bad cold. I Only had two vaccinations in the beginning of COVID. ❤

[@deniselewis1161]

Thanks for getting vaccinated

[@PaineStakingTruth]

@@deniselewis1161 Sure? With all the excess deaths and injuries at such an incredible level. And then the evidence of effectiveness is tainted so bad you can’t tell if the vaccine was any good at all.

[@retroqueenbeeart]

@@deniselewis1161 i made the choice to get the first and second vacination. After that and currently i say no. There is not enough research like the flu vaccine. My doctor said that was ok.

[@michaelmcmillian7725]

Since April, 2022 most Covid deaths have been in the vaccinated (KFF.org). This is very odd; measles was a big killer in Africa (20% of those six years old or younger died in infected). But with the measles vaccines, measles deaths dropped from 2 to 4 millions per year to 200,000 or less mostly in the unvaccinated.

[@happyswim1836]

I've had COVID twice. The first time, I was infected by a vaccinated person who had a bad reaction to the shot. The second time was because I got sick from the Canadian "wildfires"smoke in my area. Other than that vitamins, sunlight and connecting with others protected my immune system. Glory to God!😆

[@RobertoSiffredi-xy1nc]

There is nothing elite about becoming a mindless, chanting antisemitic zombie.

[@terrydillon9323]

Trade schools and Community colleges offer great educations. If later on when you become more mature and can support yourself, if you want to further your education at a certain university go for it. Life is costly , we are all struggling to put food on the table and pay for health care.

[@deanmichael1279]

Actually if you make Phi Theta Kappa (honor society) colleges will offer you a free ride. Usually state school w/free room and board. However most kids see community as second rate schools and don’t want to put in the work.

[@beleden1215]

"Prestigous" Universities don't mean better education.

[@neilifill4819]

This is more speculation than reporting.

[@CharlesVaughn-bm9gq]

Unless they are engineer grads, who are less likely to be woke, why would any company hire a liberal arts grad at all, much less from Ivy League school. Maybe for janitor or food service. Every job in our co. needs practical education from engineers to welders.

[@juanmmm979]

Amber is just saying a bunch of nonsense. If she wants to say people just want to go to college to party thats more believable than kids scared about not having a graduation ceremony

[@randyreynolds1045]

Defund, boycott, and file civil rights law suits . As for refunds too!

[@mookfarooq]

What the American political leaders don't realize is these College kids are upholding the DEMOCRACY they (leaders) claim to represent.

[@davidkim439]

I trust Forbes and WSJ rankings these days. Beginning annual salary should be weighed more.

[@joshschumacher7984]

Blue collar here power tools makes the trade jobs much easier these days it's not that hard

[@raulcisneros7086]

They don’t care. They have a massive number of applications anyway.

[@sallyjordan7278]

University of Florida is inviting Students to a Safe Campus. Leave Woke Hamas Controlled Schools.

[@gladtob6391]

University is unnecessary for most people. University should be for the most intellectually competent people only.

[@dadrocha7741]

I recently found out about a teacher who retired to become a truck driver. His wife went with him.

[@timtebowfan628]

I went to a small College that was elite and it never helped me in my career.

[@user-io7nf3kp1z]

Then if the percentages she quoted is right why is the media like the Hill so fixated on these Ivy League school at the expensive of these vast other schools. This is evidence of a class struggle in education that they're reporting contribute too.

[@TheLauren1113]

My kids didn’t apply to ivies because of cost. Southern state schools give lots of scholarships

[@johntillotson4254]

What I dont like is some of the horrible people that have gone there.

[@gs8136]

Going to state schools and all that sounds great for probably most kids, but it’s really really nice for intellectual kids to be amongst a larger number of other intellectual kids. If you have a really nimble mind it’s like being really athletic, you don’t wanna play pick up basketball with the folks that shoot the ball with two hands and pick up the dribble while their feet are still moving.

[@ozachar]

It appears that if you are really intellectual, with a nimble mind, you cannot express it today in what used to be ivy league universities

[@hdlc4635]

People who can get accepted will almost always go. And with the multi-Billion dollar endowments, it's often cheaper for a student from a middle or lower income family to go to an Ivy league school because of financial aid available

[@DonJuanDM]

If you start your apprenticeship at 16, then finish the course and continue to work until the age of fresh graduates, 23. That's about just below $150k of total income and comparing to near $300k tuition fee debts. That's a whopping $450k difference, provided you immediate find a job straight after college. Good luck

[@skontheroad]

Cornell has one of the best Hotel Industry Programs in the world! And has, since there were only two or three in the world, one of the others being a program in Switzerland!

[@bradchin7746]

They didn’t like the Covid restrictions? That is some very selfish thinking.

[@christopherm.cianfrocco5685]

Lol! let's see what company hires you without a degree? If you're in a STEM program in high school, you're not getting a job as a doctor, computer engineering, or otherwise??

[@hustledude]

This is great news!

[@balamitran]

Isn’t the %age math wrong at 1:54? It should be 0.13% and 0.08%, right? Or am I doing it wrong?

[@robertpollock8617]

Would not hire current grad from most IVY league schools.

[@rarelyaccurate6252]

Elite college may work for many, but if you're going to get an advanced degree anyway, who cares? I have colleagues that went to Harvard, Yale and Princeton. I make just as much money as they do, which is to say about $400k. I went to a no name undergrad and a grad school ranked around 100, but here I am.

[@user-ob5ug5iq7b]

Student Loans Debt will put you to Six feet under.

[@P.90.603]

If you look at the stats, it's really not a big deal. Student loans narrative is pushed by each side with an agenda. Republicans just hate college because collegs and students lean left. The students want to get a free ride. Both of you are wrong! Around half of bacehor's degree graduates have 0 to little debt. The other half have an average of $35k debt.....which can be paid off easily. Most debt over 100k are by those in medical/law school. Perhaps around 60-70% of Master's degree holders have 80k average debt. People who are most likely to default on studnt loans are those who went to trade school.

[@daniellectate]

A dip in ivy league applications is hardly a reflection to a lean into southern public state schools. Overall state and public schools saw an increase. Also the US is so behind in tech skills that we expanded visas to allow for skilled tech. Trade schools are definitely needed but pretending that we are not well below science and tech wise and we not longer compete globally is reducing our capitalistic abilities domestically

[@quartytypo]

Ivy League colleges are the Bud Lite and Target of higher education.

[@stewartsmith1947]

Schools in the military are excellent. NAVY and AirForce avionics are excellent !

[@josepha.r5839]

I like Jessica and Amber more and more. Got tired of Krystal and, to a much lesser degree, Saagar. Too much repetition. Anyway, I'm glad for this alternate view.

[@Calvin-by3nd]

Hmmm…i will call bs on this.

[@courtneypuzzo2502]

there's only 8 Ivy League schools all of which are in the North East Brown University Columbia University Cornell University Dartmouth College Harvard University, University of Pennsylvania Princeton University and Yale University the other top end colleges just outside the Ivy league are Massachusetts Institute of Technology Stanford University UMass UCLA Vanderbilt Juilliard Belmont University, University of South Florida etc.

[@mikehernandez5900]

Enrollment/application trends, while interesting, don't say much about the bottom line. You can't escape the exorbitant price of tuition, Ivy League or not. So I'd be a lot more interested if students were ditching colleges altogether in favor of trade schools.

[@angiewoodward4166]

For the first time I completely agree with Jessica’s perspective at the end. Because a person ends up working at something different than their major does not mean that college was not worth it.

[@chineseredneck1211]

"Ivy League" is/was a SPORTS league

[@edwardcuevas6974]

If you make your way South, leave the blue ideas and politics behind.

[@flybirds2024]

Most states have a pretty good university and the cost to stay in state is usually much less expensive and a much better investment in available jobs vs loan amounts.

[@abrahamlevi3556]

IMHO all disciplines related to writing codes, developing algorithms, and computer system analysis could be de-academized altogether. I don't see the point in having a BS in Computer Science. The remaining academic degree awarded at university should be BS in software/ hardware engineering. This would speed up training and makes it cheaper.

[@markrcca5329]

Universities will split between liberal and conservative. There will be lots of conservative-leaning universities, because conservative students want to study in Universities where their views are reasonably represented instead of opposed.

[@happyswim1836]

Good for those students. Columbia, NYU and the others who staged "squatter communities" embarrassed the name brand. Also, the youth understand they cannot depend on job security - no matter how hard they work.

[@user-dr1ct5uy8c]

I graduated from NYU (for grad school). Go violets!

[@royalusala8527]

Am not sure any of these opinions or research come from those who are in those elite colleges or have benefitted from them... Or have the grades to qualify.. Take all this with a pinch of salt

[@joshkirby698]

College was very over hyped. I was fortunate enough to have and older brother to watch his friends get degrees to end up waiting tables or something completely unrelated to their degree. That was a big warning sign for me. I also make more then most of my friends with degrees in IT. Not to mention debt to income ratio.

[@danielpeters2282]

College teaches things you are not interested in BUT it also makes you know things so you know things in the world

[@erykahhoney588]

Unfortunately attending college isn’t about education anymore it’s become a big business when the student is on the losing end. We’re tired

[@Sixty_Five_Pronghorn]

I’m almost finished getting my associate’s at my local community college (unless I fully commit to getting an engineering degree, in which I’ll take a few more engineering-based classes at my CC to save money). After that, unless I get a full-ride or near full-ride scholarship, I’m going to a state school. Beyond that, if I commit to getting a master’s in Engineering, I’ll apply to the cheapest grad school possible.

[@quartytypo]

Ivy League graduates on the job may refuse to work with Jewish employees or supervisors.