Iwata LPH80 Vs LPH50, What's The Difference?, Mini Micro Sprayguns E4 & E2 Caps

[@fredygump5578]

I was searching for an explanation of E2 vs E4 caps. This is the only place I found the information! Just ordered the LPH-80-124G.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Buddy, good to hear it was some use. Thanks for watching 👍

[@lutra7670]

Hey Pete. Just want to thank you in general for all the effort to get information for us enthusiasts. Big thanks man

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Lu, thanks buddy, means a lot, cheers 👍

[@CamaroWarrior]

I currently have a harbor freight Fortress 2 Gallon/ 135psi/ 1.2HP/ 2.1scfm @90psi compressor which i use for airbrushing... will that be enough to run either the lph 50 or 80

[@peteshobbies5383]

The E2 cap LPH50 uses less air than the LPH80 E4. Looking at the specs of your compressor, it should run it ok 👍

[@patrickbalzer3361]

hello Pete, sorry for my bad english😅 I have an RG-3L with 1.0mm nozzle. now I can buy a cheap used LPH-80. my question is, is it possible to mount this parts frombthe LPH-80 to my RG-3L: -The FAN Adjustment -The Air Adjustment -The Fan Cap I have an Airbrush Compressor, so dont think the LPH-80 would work with my Compressor. But maybe I can use some parts from the LPH-80 to tune my RG-3L. do you think its possible? or maybe an other person can help me😉 greetings and thanks for any Help❤

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Patrick, Your English is fine, my friend 🙂. As far as I know the body of the RG-3L is the same as the LPH50 so I think the parts are interchangeable, I can't say for sure as I don't have an RG-3L but I think it should be the case

[@gilsolomon]

Thank you for this video! I was looking to by the LPH-50 as the 80 is out of my price range and saw so little info about it before your video. I now am sure that this is what I need.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Gil, thank you, I thought the same, there was so little on KZbin about this gun so I have done a few different videos so people can see what it's like, cheers 👍

[@gilsolomon]

@@peteshobbies5383 That was really helpful! I actually made an order of the LPH50 right after seeing them ! By the way, did you have experience with spraying materials thicker than lacquer with it?

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@gilsolomon Haven't tried primer through it but as long as the material is thinned down enough it should be fine

[@watchthisspacecarchannel6523]

Hello Pete, thanks for doing this video, I don't see that many videos that do side by side comparisons like you do , so I find your videos very interesting . I've seen the LPH 50 advertised but being a novice I really don't understand why they make guns that seem so similar so I struggle to understand what their specific purpose is, but at least with your comparisons it gives an idea of where they sit as far as what application you use them for, so it just like to say I do appreciate your content , your channel has become one of my most favourite channels

[@peteshobbies5383]

Thanks Mate, much appreciated. It was funny because when you type in Google something like LPH50 it prompts you to the common searches and " LPH50 v LPH80" comes up but there's nothing comparing them at all so i was quite interested to see what the difference was and the answer is very little so hopefully it helps people, the 50 actually feels better in my hands than the 80 but performance wise they are very similar, cheers 👍

[@watchthisspacecarchannel6523]

@@peteshobbies5383 well that's good to know because like you stated the LPH80 can be expensive and I'm in Australia locally they are about $600, from Japan high $400, cheapest p,ace I've found is in the UK which works out around $380 , either way I can't afford at the moment but maybe I can find the LPH 50 cheaper so thanks mate

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@watchthisspacecarchannel6523 I didn't buy these but the chap said he got them from Japan as they were much cheaper, hence i got 2 i guess!

[@watchthisspacecarchannel6523]

@@peteshobbies5383 well the ones from Japan are on eBay there is a W300 advertised for $260 from Japan which is good but the LPH80 is nearly $100 cheaper from the UK than what I’ve seen from the Japanese sellers, maybe I just haven’t searched well enough

[@watchthisspacecarchannel6523]

@@peteshobbies5383 omg these are fantastic prices ... thank you so much

[@creepinupalleys3859]

Mr. Pete! I’ve been using the LPH80 in 0.8mm at work for a few years, I want to purchase an LPH50 for myself in 0.6mm and then pick up an extra nozzle in 0.8 to kinda have the best of both worlds at home. My question for you is will I be missing my LPH80 if I went this route or are they identical as far as spraying goes? Just really want to try the side mount cup but don’t want to change anything else about ol trusty.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, if your cap on LPH80 is an E4 then you will lose fan size as the E4 cap gives a bigger fan, if you can live with a smaller fan then it will be fine

[@nxlam1801]

Hi Pete, thank you for sharing the video and I hope you're still replying to comment on this old video. I'm a painter and am new to airbrushing. I need this spray gun mostly to spray the isolation coat/varnishes of my painting and gradient background color (so it needs to cover large areas with a strong opacity level). My painting is usually 36 x 48 inches at the smallest, but it can be up to double that size. I use Golden paint and medium Do you think the LPH 80 or LPH 50 would be better for me? Their cost the same right now on iwate website Thank you!

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, I would go with the LPH80 in 1.2. It speeds it up as it's available in a larger tip than the LPH50, so it is more suited to larger areas. I hope that helps 👍

[@nxlam1801]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you so much!!

[@peteshobbies5383]

@nxlam1801 your welcome mate 👍

[@nxlam1801]

​@@peteshobbies5383 Hi Pete, I have another question. If I want the varnish coat to be impeccable Do you think I should get the LPH 80 1.2 in E2 or E4 air cup? There are many variation of the LPH80 1.2 out there and I don't know what to choose. From my understanding - E2 Air Cap: Narrower spray pattern, finer atomization, lower airflow requirement. - E4 Air Cap: Wider spray pattern, good atomization, higher airflow requirement. Or should I get both the aircap separately? Thanks a lot!

[@peteshobbies5383]

@nxlam1801 If you're using a 1.2 go with the E4 cap, the atomisation is excellent, so you won't be disappointed 👍

[@cmguitar50]

Pete - thank you for the info. I have an LPH80 1.2 with E4 and was thinking of getting a 1.0 nozzle for it for about $100 USD, but for about $25 more I can get a (gun only) LPH50 1.0 with E2 cap from Japan and leave the 1.2 gun alone 😁

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi mate, yes, all fully interchangeable , as you say, you can get a gun with a needle, tip and cap that will fit your LPH80 for not much more than a tip, cheers 👍

[@cmguitar50]

@@peteshobbies5383 Is there a difference between using a gun with smaller fluid tip adjusted wide open or using a larger fluid tip that is choked down a little??

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@cmguitar50 It's not that critical, it's more important imo to keep the fan on full if you can, the fluid adjustment is less critical for an even pattern, if possible, full fan and full fluid is preferred, this is the gun working as intended so there is the need for smaller tips rather than just choking it down

[@windsurfingphd]

Hello Pete, can you please tell me the brand name and model of the regulator on the lph-50 gun? Is it the RP1 ANI? I like it because it is not bulky, and seems to do the job. I also want to ask you why you do not use Iwata regulators like IWA8130B which is quite compact. In your other videos you use Meiji digital regulator. Is there any reason you prefer digital (easy to read and adjust perhaps)?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, the one in this video is the ANI regulator RP1, good value, and well made but quite long. I have a number of regulators, including Iwata, Sagola, Devilbiss, ANI, and Meiji. Virtually the only ones I use these days are the Meiji, that because they are quite short, not too bulky, accurate and most of all they have a diaphragm inside which really evens the pressure delivery out. I have an in-line diaphragm regulator already, but having one just before the gun seems to help with smooth air delivery. I have 3 Iwata regulators, and I don't like them. The fittings are made of toffee, so I don't use them

[@windsurfingphd]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks, Pete. You're my hero as you save the day for most of us here. Subscribed :-))

[@peteshobbies5383]

Cheers, buddy, I'm not sure I'm a hero, but I'm glad I've been some help. I appreciate the sub mate. it is much appreciated 👍

[@slash100588]

I want to thank you for your comparison videos they are super informative and helpful. Plz keep it up

[@peteshobbies5383]

Ha Buddy, thank you, I'll try and keep them coming👍

[@CScott-l8f]

Thanks for the video. I picked up a LPH50 baed on this. The 130ml cup iseems a bit small. I think the slightly bigger 150 or 200ml would go better. It looks like the white cup is the 150ml size. What gun regulators are you using on these? Some of the diaphram regulators cost nearly half as much as the gun.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, there are so many sizes of cups available for these, so you will always be able to find one to suit. I have many gauges, but these days, I use almost exclusively the Meiji MAR and MARD regulators. Yes, they cost half the price of the gun but really help to smooth the pressure delivery. A good standard regulator is the ANI one, and it is certainly better to avoid the cheaper ones that are normally rubbish with poor metals and inaccurate

[@CScott-l8f]

@@peteshobbies5383I saw the MARD. Looks very similar to a cheaper digital gauge, perhaps they just put their label on it? Unfortunately doesn’t seem to come in a PSI version. Most people here use the Iwata diaphragm gun regulator with the blue knob but it is quite large compared to the size of the LPH guns. My next gun will likely be the Kiwami mini with the side cup. I do motorcycle stuff also and prefer not having the top cup in the way.

[@peteshobbies5383]

It could be the case they just put there name on it, it is made in Taiwan not Japan, however it's been really good, I've had to change the battery once but it's cheap and easy. I prefer the MAR as it's really small, so great on smaller guns

[@satan15151515]

Can you use the 0.6 tip for clear coat over motorcycle tanks?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Satyajit, you can but it's very slow as it only has a small fan , only a small amount of material comes out, you also have to be careful not to miss anything as you can't go back as the clear will not flow because of the time taken, cheers 👍

[@satan15151515]

@@peteshobbies5383 Indeed thought so. I asked because there are a few good deals currently on eBay for 0.6 tips. Will give them a pass.

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@satan15151515 It is still possible but if bike tanks, fairing even are what you are doing most of the time then you are better off with something else, cheers 👍

[@rickyacton6663]

So i can put the E4 cap on my lph-50 instead of buying the 80 great video man now I’ll just get the cap.the only video of its kind on both great

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Ricky, yes, they are fully interchangeable, i think the E4 would be probably be overkill for the smaller sizes but they sell the LPH80 with an E4 cap in 0.4 so maybe not, cheers 👍

[@rickyacton6663]

@@peteshobbies5383 Yea i got the 50 with 1.0 needle so i will try the E4 cap on lph-50 with 1.0 needle n hope all goes well.

[@peteshobbies5383]

That should work well, increases the fan size by around an inch and puts more material out, uses a little more air but they, as you know, don't use much anyway

[@PopsiccDesigns]

Did you end up trying the E4 cap on the 1mm lph50? I'm thinking of doing the same

[@peteshobbies5383]

There's a bit of choping and changing in this video, which may help, kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6GqXoB6iZuDjbM

[@andrewklug4845]

Pete, your videos are superb. I was hoping for a bit of advice. I am looking to purchase one of these LPH guns to spray model RC planes up to 70 inches long. I generally use thinned latex Benjamin Moore paint as it will not melt XPS foam. My compressor is small (Makita MAC700 2.0 HP 3.3 CFM at 90 PSI) which according to the numbers should be sufficient for this gun. Would you be able to recommend or offer a guess as to what needle size and cap size would be best for this paint?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Andrew, I have no knowledge of the paint you describe so can't say for sure, but if you planes are 70 inches long i would guess something like a 0.6 tip would be ok. I presume you thin the paint before spraying? , what are you using at the moment to spray? It may give me a better idea of tip size to recommend, you should be able to use both the E2 and E4 cap with your compressor but the E4 will be more on your limit but will give you a bigger fan, you may not want this anyway as a 0.6 E2 fan is around 50mm which would probably be enough, cheers 👍

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi again Andrew, your plans are nearly 6ft long!, for some reason i was thinking metric and thinking 70cm which is around 28", forget what i just said re tip size above, i would say you are better off with a E4 cap in 1.0 or 1.2 on a LPH80 just to get the coverage

[@herbiewolfe1424]

Can i use the 1.2 needle in the 1.0 cap with a e4 nozzle in my lph80. I’m trying to spray clear and would like to use the lph80

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Herbie, the fluid needle for the LPH80 is the same for 1.2 and 1.0 tips, so yes you can interchange them, the needle and tip in the LPH50 1.0 is also exactly the same as the LPH80 1.0, cheers 👍

[@herbiewolfe1424]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks for the reply. So i need the 1.2 needle and it should be good to go?

[@herbiewolfe1424]

@@peteshobbies5383 do i need to buy the 1.2 nozzle? Or wi it fit the 1.0

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@herbiewolfe1424 if you are trying to change your LPH80 fom 1.0 to 1.2 then all you need is a 1.2 tip, the needle is the same for 1.0 and 1.2

[@herbiewolfe1424]

@@peteshobbies5383 thanks

[@qaisernawaz7709]

Fantastic channel… u mentioned buying the iwata loh80… Plz can you provide suppliers from Japan, from where to buy … thanks

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Qaiser, Thank you 😊, I get my Japanese gun's mostly from paintingtooljapan via there Instagram site, they have a shop in Tokyo instagram.com/paintingtool_jp?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

[@qaisernawaz7709]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thankyou very much

[@peteshobbies5383]

Your welcome 🙏

[@javiervelez73]

Pete, thanks for the video. Will these spray guns works with water based lacquer, Crystals brite tone, etc.?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Javier, I've never sprayed water based clearcoat so can't say how well they spray, both the LPH80 and the LPH50 are perfectly happy spraying water based as far as there internal components are concerned are they are high quality stainless steel

[@javiervelez73]

@@peteshobbies5383 Pete, thanks for your prompt response. I think I will try the LPH50 with water base lacquer on a guitar body. I have a Makita MAC320Q Quiet Series 1-1/2 HP, 3 Gallon, that’s the reason I’m looking for a low cfm. The LPH50 fits perfectly.

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@javiervelez73 I can't see any reason why it won't preform well but never having used wb clear i can't say for sure, from memory the LPH50 uses 1.8 cfm so, as you will know that's pretty low, it also has very little overspray due to the 13psi pressure, i would think it would be perfect for what you want, be interesting to see what you think when you get it 👍

[@javiervelez73]

@@peteshobbies5383 I finished ordering a LPH80-124G that requires 2.1 cfm. I’ll need to watch some tutorials since I’m transitioning from spray cans. Following your channel really nice content, keep it up!!!

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@javiervelez73 The 1.2 with E4 cap does use a little more air and works at 14psi, it will flow more material than the LPH50 as they only go up to 1.0 tip, it should work well for what you intend so a good choice i think 👍

[@JohnWD40TC02]

Thanks for doing this Pete, I'm a devilbiss man so it's all I use, I did buy the Iwata AZ4 Impact Junior mini gun to compare it to my SRI have to say I didn't like it just couldn't get on with it for some reason so it got chucked in my spares bag 😲😂

[@peteshobbies5383]

Was size was the AZ4?, i was a little underwhelmed by the 1.0 with the 1 bar cap but absolutely love the 1.3 2.5 bar version for clear, an absolute jem, really surprised me

[@JohnWD40TC02]

The AZ4 is the 1.2 tip, I just couldn't get a nice wet coat of clear out of it compared to my SRI, it may have been just down to a serious lack of talent as it was about a year ago I tried it and have only been painting for about 18months 👍

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@JohnWD40TC02 That has the AZ4-1 cap as far as i know, the 1.3 has the AZ4- 2 cap, quite a different beast

[@lutra7670]

how do you like the RG 3L?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, I've got a HP-G3 but not a RG-3L, yet 😉, the HP-G3 is a lovely little tool, super fine atomisation , I'm using it for little blow ins on scratches etc

[@ioseph7997]

Hi Pete, I would like to ask you about lph50 with 1.0 mm nozzle. If I change its E2 cap with 2 holes to the E4 cap with 4 holes (from the lph80), can I get a larger fan pattern with lph50? I think the maximum is about 10 cm with a 1.0 mm nozzle. thanks.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Yes, it makes the fan pattern wider as the E4 cap runs at slightly higher pressure and pushes more air out therfore more fluid as well

[@ioseph7997]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you for your reply Pete. I am a beginner with spray guns and I would have an another question about the compressor that fits the LPH50 gun. I have a weldinger fk65 compressor (750Watt, gives max 90 Liter/min at 4 bar, with a 9 l tank.) Is my compressor good to the gun? Do I need a larger diameter of the air hose? e.g. iwata pray gun hose 8 mm bore?

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@ioseph7997 The size of the hose won't be a problem unless your hose is really small bore, your compressor should be ok but it will be on all the time and if you use an E4 cap it may not keep up, it depends on how much you have to do

[@ioseph7997]

@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you very much. I am an artist, a painter and I would need a gun for monochrome color fields in the background of my paintings. Have you tried the iwata G6 spray gun? maybe in comparison with the LPH50? Ot would you have some recommendation of a gun for color fields?(the exterior diameter of my textil hole is 8 mm,,,,,)

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@ioseph7997 Don't have any knowledge of the G6, i think that one is quite expensive? , so are you just looking for a gun to colour your background before you start work?

[@mreightytwenty8709]

Great comparison mate... Why would anyone buy the 80 at double the price ????

[@peteshobbies5383]

The only reason i can think is if they want 1.2 and E4 cap as its only available in LPH80, otherwise, yes, why would you pay twice the price for the same? Cheers 👍

[@whythesadface]

@@peteshobbies5383 Maybe the 10% of the population that is left handed that doesn't want the bottle in their field of view?!?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi buddy, yes, I have said in a few of my videos with side cup guns if you were left handed it may be a pain, I have no way of knowing as I'm right handed but it may well be the case. I really like the side cup's, it's a little different which i like and it gives better vision as well as the ability to move the cup if your working at odd angles 👍

[@whythesadface]

​@@peteshobbies5383 Thanks for seeing my point as I can see yours.

[@wekivaaquatics5918]

@@whythesadface I was debating between the two. I'm left handed and didn't even think about this. I'm glad I read your comment. It makes a lot of sense. I'll go with the LPH80. 👍

[@ttizm]

hi, Pete) thank you so much for your channel - so many details i find for myself!!! This particular topic about lph50 and 80 - is exactly what i was looking for for a long time! In this regard may i ask a question: i have a LPH80 model (0.8/E2) / but with a missing air cap (only god knows how that could happen). I checked google and found 100 pounds replacement - which is really expensive^ as you understand. What do you think can i replace it with a cheaper cap from other guns, may be from china (if so, which one?) or do you think it is possible to find a used LPH one (i failed to do so - tried ebay many times, may be i should try some others?) Thank you))) Good luck to your channel + subscribers)))

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Kira, thank you, the only air cap that will fit is an Iwata LPH50 or LPH80 so maybe keep looking out for a second hand one, as you say, they are very expensive new. I'm not aware of anything from China that will fit so i think only a genuine one will do, i wish you luck in finding one👍

[@ttizm]

@@peteshobbies5383 thank you Pete) do you think that ebay is the only place to look for a second hand cap? May be i can try some japanese e-commerce platform to find it?

[@peteshobbies5383]

Yes, i would think it's the only place you will find one really

[@rikujkoivisto]

Hi Pete! Would you please give me internet address, where did you buy those guns..? Thank you!!

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Riku, see the link below, cheers www.plazajapan.com/4538995001888/

[@christerlundgren3805]

Nice videos 👍 Carpenter and more often than I can mention I get to paint in trims and windows 😂. Good that I left the painting trade 32 years back, so I still have the skills with a painting brush. Would these guns work waterbased woodpaint? Masking in we do anyhow, so cut down on effort with a gun is a blessing for my knees and lower back. Ain't getting any younger 😂.

[@peteshobbies5383]

Hi Christer, it would depend on the viscosity of the paint but i can't see it being a problem, only problem is if the paint needs thinning too much it loses it coverage and if you go to a bigger tip you lose some control for smaller areas

[@christerlundgren3805]

Thanks for answer. 1.3 tip gives bit wide fan for floor trims, tilt the angle on the head could be an idea.... And to filter the paint is a must. Been scanning for a lvlp gun for a while now. Have 2 guns in mind so far, compressor I found the la Padana PS 16. As usual it will be costly 😂, in the end its about 600 pounds (ish)

[@peteshobbies5383]

@@christerlundgren3805 That's a low noise compressor which have a fairly low output to cost but of course are very quiet. The LPH80 uses very little air so you wouldn't need a huge output, the fan is also relatively small which sounds like it would be suitable for what you do providing you can thin the paint down

[@mreightytwenty8709]

Happy New Year buddy....

[@peteshobbies5383]

You to mate 👍