J. Haydn - Hob III:33 - String Quartet Op. 20 No. 3 in G minor

[@howardchasnoff208]

Never heard this because it is not part of the two volumes of famous Haydn quartets. Its a real gem. it is played so well here..

[@christophbader3713]

Haydn is so goddamn underrated.

[@haanashim]

Yes, I was listing to another performance of this particular quartet tonight and having that very thought. The slow mvt is epic.

[@stevesiegelbaum3534]

In Western classical music, I believe it is fair to say that, if we consider all genres - orchestral, solo, chamber, choral, opera,, etc. - only four composers ,Bach, Mozart, Beethoven and Brahms can be said to surpass Haydn. That puts him at #5 out of thousands.

[@pepehaydn7039]

Of these only Beethoven can be directly compared to Haydn and none of them was so relevant for the history as haydn was: none of them invented something absolutely new. Haydn is in some aspects superior to all them: superior to Bach in beauty and musical instinct, to Mozart in technique and scope, to Beethoven in innovation, to Brahms in everything if we consider that Brahms composed his music almost 100 years after Haydn.

[@stevesiegelbaum3534]

@@pepehaydn7039 And Bartok almost 150 years after Haydn. That means absolutely nothing. I guess it's the one making the rules, as you've done here, who decides. Suppose, just for one instance, that we use opera as a criterion. Then clearly Mozart wins. You get the point. The thing is, though, that i don't believe Haydn reached the sublime heights of the other four. This in no way diminishes his extraordinary achievements.

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

Steve Siegelbaum I get your point, but it rather depends on your definition of sublime!

[@christianbaum6779]

The music comes so live as if just composed. Great compliment for this interpretation of the Quartet Mosaique!

[@gabrielfromyhr5694]

The minuet is gorgeous

[@nandotroyani5218]

To C Bader. I have been arguing the same notion for years now. True, we will never know what a mature Mozart would have given us, we can only guess. His early death a humankind tragedy. Anyway, so frequently we hear distinct echos of Haydn in his music. As we hear in Beethoven´s early music with regards to Mozart´s.

[@elaineblackhurst1509]

Nando Troyani I think Mozart may well have developed the string quintet further had he lived longer, rather than the quartet; the magnificent last four of his six quintets written between 1787 - 1790 would suggest he had already started on this path. The quintet suited the density of Mozart’s musical thought better than the quartet; his six quartets dedicated to Haydn (1782 -1785) written following Haydn’s Opus 33 (1781), took him an unprecedented length of time and trouble, and as he said in the dedication, were the fruits of long hard work. In contrast, the quartet medium suited Haydn - and later Beethoven - much better. Mozart found the quartet more challenging, especially with the formidable example of Haydn’s works familiar to him. As regards Beethoven; whilst some of his earlier works are one-off pieces modelled on individual works - the third piano concerto on Mozart’s 24 for example - there is actually far more of Haydn in Beethoven’s general compositional DNA than there is of Mozart. Motivic development, third related keys, key relationships, disruption of expectations, use of silence, building large musical structures from small cells, fragments and/or motifs, and so forth are Haydnesque and Beethovenian characteristics, not particularly Mozartian ones. Additionally, Beethoven picked up those areas that had most interested Haydn - symphony, string quartet, and sonata for example, rather than those of Mozart, ie concerto and opera and chamber music other than quartets. Whilst this is obviously a generalisation and you can point to exceptions, the main point is valid. In short; both Mozart and Haydn were important to Beethoven, but in very different ways.

[@marcellotanca5173]

@@elaineblackhurst1509 I find this discussion very interesting. I often wonder what would have happened if Mozart hadn't died in 1791 (travels to London? Rivalry with Beethoven? Etc.)

[@pepehaydn7039]

Karl Maria von Webern is the “mature” Mozart, and, in consequence, he is sooooo underrated, but a true genius, at least as genial as Mozart could have been had he lived longer.

[@prammar1951]

@@pepehaydn7039 *Weber, and he is one of my favorites, especially the sonatas ❤️

[@jamesharris3057]

The 7 bar phrasing is so edgy...

[@PubicGore]

It sounds cool.

[@Axacqk]

I totally parse the first 7 bars as a Hungarian folk tune.

[@ЛешаШмелев-ы2н]

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