J. Krishnamurti - San Diego 1974 - Convers. 17 - Meditation, a quality of attention that pervades...

J. Krishnamurti - San Diego 1974 - Conversation 17 - Meditation, a quality of attention that pervades all of one's life
Summary:
Q: What is meditation?
Do we accept the orthodox, traditional, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Sufi meditation, or could we put away all that and ask: what is meditation?
To start from not knowing what meditation is, then I'm free to flow in the inquiry.
Is meditation divorced from daily living or does meditation cover the whole field of existence?
In my inquiry am I awake or is the past so alive that it is dictating my life in the present?
Is there a way of living without control? Can I live a life of meditation in which there is no control?
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[@rakshithj4808]

Thanks for Krishnamurthy foundation .for all series being posted

[@amitkalra9254]

Ultimate guidance to mankind

[@user-vh1xf3zc9z]

16:38 I am the path 21:08 result of search? 21:53 seeing 27:18 total human being 29:00 meditation covers whole field of life 30:52 enquire not knowing 33:00 awake 37:58 burden of past 39:43 know past but act now 42:28 dream 46:37 sleep 51:30 control 55:16 desire

[@robinvanderlem895]

Even Dr Anderson is an amazingly intelligent man to be fair

[@NoUsernamae]

Do you feel like he actually sees what krishnamurti says? I don't find what he says hard to follow conceptually. Some things, yes, most things, not really. But you must understand that actually being present without a center that registers thing is completely and entirely different from who we are currently.

[@magalytellez169]

@@NoUsernamae why is it seperate?and what do u mean who we are currently?

[@gagak1557]

Supremely patient, much greater command over language and words, extremely humble

[@charisma1349]

Yes both of them are completely in alignment 👍🏽

[@untetheredspirit]

@@magalytellez169 identity

[@pratikpatil6342]

If meditation doesn't embrace life then it has no meaning :) Meditation should not become escape from life. Meditation include whole field of existence.

[@akakonoha]

If alcohol, smoking, food, sex, drugs or any type of escape is supposed to be unhelpful, ultimately, then why should meditation be the exception? Makes perfect sense. PS. We are doomed! There's no escape! ☺️

[@innertheater4214]

The way Dr. Anderson looks at J.K. is heart-warming.

[@mohammedirfan8027]

Beautiful conversation, absolutely no conflict

[@unusualpond]

55:15 to 58:30 is a perfect description of the dilemma of addiction and also describes beautifully the process of surrender in 12 step recovery from any addiction.

[@spider161]

I legit started crying when he was talking about it.

[@Gaurav.P0]

12 steps ? What are 12 steps?

[@sylviagung1007]

Meditation embraces the whole thing of life. Life itself is meditation.... Do I live my life that way...?

[@rickeshpatel4025]

After listening, seeing and applying in my own life meditation isn’t about closing your eyes or sitting down quietly, it’s not meditation if you don’t do it all the time in one’s daily life. K has helped me to see for myself that if you don’t do it yourself it doesn’t mean anything whatsoever. I have seen in myself true change is instantaneous and there is no going back, it’s not like when we say we must change and there is a conflict, real change has no conflict. So many things I see that I cannot put into words without distorting the truth. Please take the time to apply what you have listened to into your life, it’s hard and draining at first but if you stick with it, there is something I cannot put into words that comes, it’s not a reward or gain, its like you just see truth unfettered. 🙏🏽 🙏🏽 🙏🏽

[@thefatcat87]

How do you do it? I think incessantly the more i try

[@Moksha0108]

@@thefatcat87 And that is how the mind works... the harder we try to meditate, all the more difficult it becomes, all the more thoughts, because it becomes a fight and the more you fight it, the more confirmation and strength you give to your mind and it becomes stronger. Think of your mind like a wild horse that will wreck the fence you put it in. Then the wild horse (the mind) is free again! Listen, the you who is trying to meditate, (and believe me I have been in that dilemma too) cannot do it, because it is a reinforcement of the me (the thinking person) and meditation can only truly happen when the small self (me) is undone in a moment of self awerness that it cannot do it and gives it up and collapses. When no meditation technique can do it for you you are at a place where everything works, to paraphrase Adyashanti. Check out his short talk on YT called ”achieveing total failure”, you might need to hear it. It just means you are beyond the meditation traditions.

[@BamBhole1]

It's quite true about the brain seeing things during sleep which can't be seen from the physical eyes. 👍

[@redddybhaskar]

Absolutely great, for those who understand don't need any philosophy or religion, that's the end of suffering.

[@Naranja1792]

Thanks for this conversation ❤

[@kamaurahamukti5919]

BRILLIANT at its BEST ✨🙏🏽

[@kaireensworld458]

this man is addictive and the one opp to him adds to this addiction

[@NikhilRajput-si5sx]

Agree

[@quemaravilha]

Lovely man !

[@kunalarora927]

ya

[@theuofs]

Life can be a meditation whereas meditation is the act of being (utter awareness of who we truly are and what actually is) and yet, life has become the act of doing (trying to change or re-shape ourselves, others, and even the world into who or what should be).

[@unusualpond]

40:35 is incredible. Understanding without knowing...

[@thewarriorearle]

Isn’t it brutal to listen to?

[@johnkay5821]

Absolutely I agree. Meditation is not a routine daily activities.

[@kunalarora927]

listening to jk one is in meditation

[@leilamobasserii]

❤️❤️❤️

[@em18192]

How quickly I can become a second hand person listening to these because I want to refer to them in conversation with other people but that doesn't really allow me to stand alone in my daily life and exchange with others not motivated or referenced by the knowledge of this which allows me to really grow in each moment.. not grow linearly but blossom in each moment for it's moment, not from a build up from the last moment. I guess that really is what they meant by beauty not being held onto.. it's as if I listen to this and walk away as if never heard it.. it's a death that I haven't yet acknowledged listening to many of these talks but how important that death is because without it I will continue to reference these videos and never truly show up for the moment because I will always lean to these explanations and never stand alone

[@em18192]

Furthermore I have no care oh my god it makes me into a hypocrite!

[@rlgraves]

@em18192 Have many of us fallen into the habit of quoting K. And is this not one of the most challenging parts of the Teachings? To see something, have an insight , then let it go. So what effect does it have on one’s life if you’re constantly dying each moment? What’s the point of the insight? Does it stay in the brain in some way? If there is a dying every moment, then is one completely free of the past? And free to be totally in the present moment? Or does one just fall back into old patterns of living?

[@preethikrao]

🙏🙏🙏

[@JimmyGray]

Awareness IS intelligence.

[@maracummings9767]

One of the things that I personally find very distracting from the subject at hand, from the facts of the inquiry together with JK is Mr. Andersen’s continuous referral to the various texts, stories or phrases that somebody said….. And those words and sayings are often so complex and unclear to decipher (the words of Jesus for example). I find it quite meaningless and non-beneficial to the conversation. Very distracting from the facts of what is. But I guess this is his training…. These talks are truly wonderful and definitely worth re-listening just like all of JKs inquiries. ❤

[@Thought-is-Time]

I felt similarly when I watched this. I think it all has its value if one attends fully. On one hand you see the hindrances of the conditioning of a scholar, of knowledge, on the other hand you can see how the field of his training can be looked at with more depth, by questioning and inquiring. While I agree, the word is not the thing, it remains merely a description, it becomes authority for an confused mind. Spinoza said once something beautiful: ´I have striven not to laugh at human actions, not to weep at them, nor to hate them, but to understand them.´ For one who is conditioned, he is caught in the seemingly endless chain of cause and effect. One can learn here about the cause of this scholars actions, conditioning.

[@yogeshvr7457]

Regular viewer ❤

[@vegetasayen-hm4xl]

Les sous-titres sont excellents

[@thejvmaster]

❤

[@paradoxical33]

8:08 somebody starts doing laundry in the background

[@TommyEfreeti]

Getting/losing is false dualism. You are and were, and will be, always free. Without the separation of miserable thought, your selfless self is that Truth.

[@JazevoAudiosurf]

one starts deeply doubting if knowledge has any place at all. there is this story of the buddha where he sees that eating is a decision for life. this is also my experience. K says go on with your life and be aware. this can only be understood as an intermediary state. you can be "very" aware and still act out of knowledge, but the acting out of knowledge takes away entirely the totality. K said when you speak you can't be entirely aware. so what if my job is sitting in meetings all day, how is there any place for that, impossible. it is only necessary to deepen the understanding, it can never be totality. totality happens when the understanding is enough to see that knowledge has no place. then you give up entirely every act, you become nothingness

[@sylviagung1007]

Without division as he says "expression of division" by the categories of jobs, there could be insights one looks into all of them as one comes in contact, that he can see the functional side, and get the understanding how the machine works basically. And can point out what's wrong or right with that machine... quite accurately. Insights into the basics of the existence of all things, and how things are done.... So What??

[@sabvrao]

I never (/ hardly ever) remember dreams. Am normally sound asleep in the night, and don’t nap in the daytime …. I don’t know what to make of that in the context of what JK says …

[@Gaurav.P0]

I didn't understand boat example of 45:47. Can someone explain to me please?

[@deependratomer7319]

He implied that once we are able to keep our attention intact in the moment and the order gets created from intelligence. One will be able to see or predict the events which are about to happen in the near future only regarding himself/herself (In my opinion not always only sometimes).

[@vedanshsharma1156]

40

[@peradetlic916]

Nikola Tesla was the Master of this. He was sleeping 2-3 hours per day and he descoverd the whole new world of electricity, remote controle, even a free energy, which is not understood yet or maybe even forbiden. He was working all day long and he had visions during a day. He could create every peace in his head, moving them, changing and when he aplies it in reality it works. He was obsest with order (doctors call it: (some) disorder of behiveor).

[@hypnoz7871]

Free Energy is a myth, stop believing all the crap internet say on Tesla You can't violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.

[@absentmindstate]

24:10

[@r3b3lvegan89]

Sweet dreams are made of these who am I to disagree….

[@a_man_jaiswal]

23:29 -

[@maheshn9970]

But we all carry burdens of our past. How do we live in present? Is that possible? How about lobotomy? 🤔

[@img008]

Nope, there’s no shortcut to this. Only complete attention to everything you go through in life

[@AnthonyHoward-ru8su]

Krishnamurti's expressed philosophy doesn't seem too radically different than the message taught by Jesus as it was originally before the imposition of the dogma which is associated with the religion brought up around Jesus

[@krishnanaarayan9773]

Sir with due respect.....why do you compare at all.....?

[@mikemillwood1564]

the added music is annoying. makes it hard to hear K.

[@maheshn9970]

K describes meditation as living every waking moment in the present fully aware without being burdened by the past. But that is unrealistic. 😀

[@anmasalcaben]

Unrealistic? do you listen? or there is listening? listening, seeing, feeling the ground under your feet does it require effort? seeing, listening, weight, at the same time as if it were one movement is unitary perception. When you listen or see without naming nothing that is unitary perception, what K called meditation and what one studies in holokinetic psychology, developed by a friend of K, Dr.Ruben Feldman Gonzalez. Dr. Ruben made K simple to understand, is work is a gift to mankind. I only understood K after investigating what unitary perception is and is not and K's work become simple as water. Now, you don't do unitary perception, or is it happening or is not, it is not something the me does, memory can remember what UP is but memory cannot produce perception and memory/time/thought is always interfering with UP. In UP time stops without effort, and this simplicity is the most dificult thing to accept or see because we are so acostomed to that shit of the warriors path or journey that the simple things in life escape us. To perceive everything perceptible ate the same time, moment by moment requires that one takes care of ones energy, you know, sleeping well, eating well, the right amount of work and so on. Soon one finds out what a mess we as humans built around ourselfs, this big cage we all are living and contributing to, directly and even indirectly. But freedom is our own birthright, the way life should be lived, and that only can happen if you are serious.

[@blaqpsychonaut3572]

why is it unrealistic?

[@vijay10la50]

Yes, it's unrealistic for majority, but, not once you've emptied your mind...ie, thrown away the psychological baggage and that's what he's been advocating. Some folks call it " stopping the world". Stopping the world implies stopping all the definitions/ideas/biases completely and its nontrivial....read Carlos Castaneda series on how to achieve this and there are numerous other authors who describe it differently. Describing the undescribale is bound to provide different set of words....but meaning is the same. Choiceless awareness as he describes it in a previous chat session

[@krox477]

It means living without a single conflict

[@BamBhole1]

No path to truth 😀

[@HimanshuNeoGarg]

What does this mean? Very flowering is the ending of desire.

[@HimanshuNeoGarg]

@gomsi27 I am working on this. Just observe without any motive, without me. But instead of effortless observation it feels like forced. Contantly trying to bring back attention. I know observing this movement from attention to inattention is also attention, but it's easy said then done.

[@thefatcat87]

@@HimanshuNeoGarg same here. There is an endless stream of thought. I am trying now to let the stream play out and every time there is a tug to be involved in it, to answer back to it (with more thoughts) but i try not to answer back or log it, i try to let it go on to the next and the next and the next

[@thefatcat87]

@@HimanshuNeoGarg but this is only possible when i am alone and lying down and have my eyes closed. Any more sensory experience than that and I cannot help being involved in thought and thinking about the experience and making sense of it through thought.

[@spider161]

@@thefatcat87 That is the hard part. Bringing it out in the open, and like he said to be in a constant state of meditation almost. Not easy at all.

[@_Yohanan]

If you were doing what I did, I suspect you are "trying" to look at it, you're "working" on it, both of these words presuppose a process in time, and time is a movement of thought, but attention/awareness don't happen in time, so by us "trying" so hard, we're getting in our own way. Something that was helpful to me: I stopped trying to look at something and I just let the activity of looking work through me, as it were. :)

[@theakshow6896]

I think Krishnamurthy have missed something it is yoga because you cannot separate yoga and meditation because meditation is an English world but the base word is yog or yoga so the whole conversation in itself not so much of truth but from meditation point of view it is true... But he has missed all the forms of yoga

[@user-ow4vj1jr8g]

瑜珈只是形式 它有它的人生

[@PompousPicard1]

How do you mean? I’m asking because Krishnamurti talks in other videos about practicing hatha yoga. Not as a big deal, but just that it’s how he keeps in shape and physically healthy. And what he practices is itself a form of yoga - Jnana yoga, the yoga of the intellect.